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A 25-1 shot for today
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roida = the worst case of fishing since the cod war.
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I bet it to win!
You might be right though Mondeo! Hit sub evens in running. |
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Roidas probably the greatest man that's ever been on this forum.just ask him
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Rodia,
Unlike all the winning 1.01 selections you put up  |
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This place is so hypocritically funny it's priceless! The difference as to how a loser is greeted depending on the tipper has been a joy to behold on Crosser's threads. Not having a go at him at all - more the people that change their stance from thread to thread and minute to minute. I (was one of the very few that) read his early threads and there were a fair few losers - I backed a lot of them as mine and crossers picks are sometimes not a million miles apart and it got to the point where if they matched i thought twice about backing them! Barely a squeak from the forum. He has a few winners and he's the new messiah for a few weeks and threads like this entail.
Good luck to crosser - as i'm sure he is aware that picking long price horses does result on long losing runs from time to time and sometimes (often if you know what you're doing) those horses shorten and run well but ultimately lose - there is a reason why they are the price they are! Anyway please do carry on......... |
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As you say there were a fair few losers early on (I also read his threads then and often left a comment) but he never really got much stick. How can anyone give a bloke stick when he's putting up outsiders? Plus he always posted/posts with a bit of humility and never takes himself too seriously.
I'm glad he's hit a winning streak and that a few more posters on here follow him now. |
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Roida's your best mate aint he kenbo?
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I am Roida ysfdc!
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easy way out
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O.k I'll humour you. Yes I do like Roida, but I have no idea why you've just asked me that on this thread, did you think my post had anything to do with him, or are you just smarting for a row?
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Kenbo and roida got it goin on
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roida started criticizing the OP who is a genuine poster and not mr big b0llocks like himself. How you can like anyone like that is beyond me and people are starting to see what a C he is.
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Basically fellas, this horse Mister red ran a stormer today at big odds and rewarded any each-way players like myself.
I did say the other day, on a post with mange I think, that most of what I do is each-way, especially at the prices I get involved with. |
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I'll still be your mate though Chav!
RM. I put in my 7.54pm post about " How can anyone give a bloke stick when he's putting up outsiders?" That goes for Roida too, if he wants to make a fool of himself by going after the wrong bloke then let him. |
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As you say there were a fair few losers early on (I also read his threads then and often left a comment) but he never really got much stick. How can anyone give a bloke stick when he's putting up outsiders? Plus he always posted/posts with a bit of humility and never takes himself too seriously.
Bang on.  Roidas probably the greatest man that's ever been on this forum.just ask him Second greatest  |
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if you ever fancy a horse at 20/1 or bigger then it's pretty obvious the EW bet is the way to go - if you don't know that, then it's a case of give up betting, so well played crooser.
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I am surprised nobody has mentioned a tipping line yet as that always pops up on tipping threads where the op has a few winners and then losers. Compare the treatment paultheb gets with crosser and it is marked - yet read them of late and they could almost be written by the same person with hints at 'insider' talk etc, the only difference being the prices. I'm not calling anybody a liar, just noting the similarities and difference in reaction of this forum - go read them if you don't think they are at all similar - mind you most sound similar with racing speak being pretty identical!
Funnily enough maybe crosser should go back to the 'I know nothing' threads that he started with as there have been more losers since the 'inside talk' reared it's head! And just because somebody backs at big prices doesn't mean they have to back ew but that is up to the reader of the 'tip' to decide. Unless the tipper says ew then if it places it is still a loser - again look at the difference with reaction to PTB. Crosser seems like a decent bloke and I doubt he really cares what people do (with his tips) and I'm sure he has other bets that he doesn't put up here - some that win and some that lose. He will obviously at some point get some sort of abuse but nobody comes on a forum like this (or indeed any forum on the internet), puts up big priced tips (of which many will lose) and not expect some sort of criticism/abuse at some point. If that is the case then if i were you crosser i'd stop posting now! |
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stu
01 Jun 15 09:41 if you ever fancy a horse at 20/1 or bigger then it's pretty obvious the EW bet is the way to go - if you don't know that, then it's a case of give up betting copper-bottomed nonsense |
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Yeah ,I backed a ISP 20-1 shot yesterday to place unfortunately it won but I did get 7.2 instead of win price 24 BF SP
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has anyone here got a mill in the bank?
doubt it. tar |
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Do you live in Turkey
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You can still make a profit on the prophet
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Well explained duncan - can you explain why it's nonsense? I don't believe you are correct.
I build in a margin for error, as I think not doing so with such wide margin prices is ridiculous. So whats your reasoning against that? |
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spyker 01 Jun 15 10:19 Joined: 09 Oct 07 | Topic/replies: 4,955 | Blogger: spyker's blog
I am surprised nobody has mentioned a tipping line yet as that always pops up on tipping threads where the op has a few winners and then losers. Compare the treatment paultheb gets with crosser and it is marked - yet read them of late and they could almost be written by the same person with hints at 'insider' talk etc, the only difference being the prices. spyker - have you followed whether they win or run well? I haven't followed all of croosers - but he gave me one that won at 25's and another that ran really well at similar (placed) followed by this (placed). I think it's success that makes some difference in these things, plus at these prices you'd expect huge losing runs instead of winners and placed runners. |
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Rodia you don'e have a mill in the bank
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stu, there are many occasions that i will look at a horse and think something of the lines of 'this horse has probably gone but on the off chance that this ground is what it has been needing it's worth a quid or 2 at 33s off this career-low mark'...it's what Hugh Taylor refers to as a 'boom or bust selection'. In those instances, you dont want to be losing win and place in the likelihood it gets stuffed...throw a few quid at the win (and prob put in a short IR lay to get your stake back if it just gets done....the chance it's just going to sneak into 3rd or 4th is unlikely given the scenario).
There are other reasons why i might go win only a certain big-priced runners (if i'm not sure it will handle ground, if i'm not sure 'today's the day'! etc)...the idea that you back all long-priced horses EW just cos they are a big price is naive imo |
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Fair enough, though I tend to not believe the logic, though I can see the argument.
I can see the alternative option to ew, placing short priced lays, but those presume the actions of the markets too. Some big priced losers lose in well run races but never trade very short, so you'd win on the EW and not on the trade out option. But it's all opinions and strategies, so fair enough with yours, I prefer my EW (old-skool). |
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spyker - have you followed whether they win or run well?
I've taken a look at most of the races - mainly as they are the type of races/horses i bet - not the irish though really. The thing is it really doesn't matter if a 50/1 (or 1/50!) runs well for 7.6 furlongs of an 8f race but is out of the frame (unless the advice is to trade out) as it's still a loser (if placed and not ew). Many of my picks (and I'd imagine it's the same for most of those of us that bet this way) run 'better than the odds' for a lot of race but lose so it's irrelevant. I do find it funny that the forum says 'well done' to crosser for tipping a 16 loser that shortens a bit pre race and more ir (as nearly every horse does!) but gives PtB abuse for the same thing just with much shorter odds! I'm not a Paul supporter nor a crosser 'hater' btw just somebody that finds the hypocrisy of this place funnier and funnier! |
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I suppose it's become "fashionable" to wish him luck lately.
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We where the originals kenners
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another looser for crooser?
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duncan idaho 01 Jun 15 10:25
stu 01 Jun 15 09:41 if you ever fancy a horse at 20/1 or bigger then it's pretty obvious the EW bet is the way to go - if you don't know that, then it's a case of give up betting copper-bottomed nonsense Absolutely correct. Anyone who makes a profit backing horses with average sps of 7/1, knows that in the long run, using the same stake, a greater profit by far is made backing to win only. I have years of records to prove it. |
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what is your gambling p&l over last 10 years? roughly
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i mainly do big priced horses and i never do e/w.the only time i ever do is if im doing an acca with 4 big priced ones i will do E/W acca.
my mate at work does ew on every bet he does even if its like 5/1 and i just think its insane,fair enough if your just backing for a place or something or multis but u get 1/10th the odds coz u lose the win stake. |
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u get 1/5th the odds and lose the win bit
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i just dont think it would pay in the long run.
if your backing it thinking it prob wont win but its 20/1 and might get a place(like it seems is the presenters view when they say good E/W chance etc) then your really only getting 10th the odds coz u lost your win steak and u never thought it would win. same with leaving keep lays in i used to do that at 1.88 1.33 1.07 but i stopped,ive never kept records so couldnt be sure if i would of been better of or not ,i wish i had but i dont even do it now and i know i should |
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if you fancy a 4/1 horse in a 16 runner h/cap and back it ew..if it gets trouble etc but places it saves your stake.
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have u kept records for years so you could see if your better of or not
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i dont do big stake singles though so it will be different for someone who bets like that.
and what type of horse it is aswell like someone said some are boom or bust style and then theres some who u think should win and surly carnt be out the 3 so u would want to do E/W |