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02 May 15
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Would appear to be an above average crop this year.
American Pharoh was explosive in the Arkansas, Dortmund is a pure monster who should be joint fav for me, Firing Line oozed class last time at Sunland, Carpe Diem is an out and out Giants Causeway...then you got the likes of International Star and the Florida Derby winner Materialiality.
Splendid line up.
settled on Frosted for Godolphin, Keiran McLaughlin and Joel Rosario.
A lot was expected him this year but first run in the Fountain of Youth went from stunning to total disaster in a matter of strides...was absolutely cantering all over the likes of Upstart, kick clear turning for home but just stopped...
McLaughlin took him away, had him checked out, gave him the Paul Nicholls special (wind op) and boom....back on the Derby trail.
Ever since that he's been brilliant in his work outs and scored a fine win in the Wood Memorial last time out...picking up nicely from behind off a slow pace to score easily.
Been great since....think he ticks a lot of boxes.
breeding - check
distance - check
Class - check
Speed - check...his figures are up ther with Dortmund and AP
Jockey - check won the KD on Orb
versatility - check will be able to adapt quickly to whatever happens tonight.
Like this fella vs the hot pots....16/1 eachway 4places will do for me.
American Pharoh was explosive in the Arkansas, Dortmund is a pure monster who should be joint fav for me, Firing Line oozed class last time at Sunland, Carpe Diem is an out and out Giants Causeway...then you got the likes of International Star and the Florida Derby winner Materialiality.
Splendid line up.
settled on Frosted for Godolphin, Keiran McLaughlin and Joel Rosario.
A lot was expected him this year but first run in the Fountain of Youth went from stunning to total disaster in a matter of strides...was absolutely cantering all over the likes of Upstart, kick clear turning for home but just stopped...
McLaughlin took him away, had him checked out, gave him the Paul Nicholls special (wind op) and boom....back on the Derby trail.
Ever since that he's been brilliant in his work outs and scored a fine win in the Wood Memorial last time out...picking up nicely from behind off a slow pace to score easily.
Been great since....think he ticks a lot of boxes.
breeding - check
distance - check
Class - check
Speed - check...his figures are up ther with Dortmund and AP
Jockey - check won the KD on Orb
versatility - check will be able to adapt quickly to whatever happens tonight.
Like this fella vs the hot pots....16/1 eachway 4places will do for me.
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The Kentucky humorist, Irvin S. Cobb, from Paducah, said it best, “Until you go to Kentucky and with your eyes behold the Derby, you ain’t never been nowhere and you ain’t never seen nothin’.”
What race is it on betfair, can't find it. Want to back Dortmund.
I put a score on the Pharoah a week or two back at 9/2. Not getting excited though. I know virtually nothing about US racing and it does look a very competitive race.
as in the exchange i should say, you will find it on sportsbook tho
they don't have the rights to cover certain tracks, churchill is one of them
But the do have the right to annoy us with a distance market 
taking the pish with those elg, if someone comes in from the pub half cut they might take a fiver
shortlisted 3 ...
dortmund
firing line
mubtaahij
hard to oppose ap after following his build up, carpe diem i also like but stick with dortmund and a couple of bigger prices to box up in fc & tris
dortmund
firing line
mubtaahij
hard to oppose ap after following his build up, carpe diem i also like but stick with dortmund and a couple of bigger prices to box up in fc & tris
american pharaoh has been hyped, but the hype could well be right
the horse is always forwardly placed in his races, and as he is drawn wide he has to go forward, if the speed is not too harsh then he could get a could trip
the horse is always forwardly placed in his races, and as he is drawn wide he has to go forward, if the speed is not too harsh then he could get a could trip
How amazing would it be too see Soumy swinging off the home turn on Mubtaahij??
Its always a fascinating race and really captures the imagination and id love to see this boy make a dent tonight...
cant honestly see it but posted ok and danced on the pseudo dirt at meydan..
ya just never know..
Darley brochure printing headquarters will probably explode if he does.. be some result for Dubawi
Its always a fascinating race and really captures the imagination and id love to see this boy make a dent tonight...
cant honestly see it but posted ok and danced on the pseudo dirt at meydan..
ya just never know..
Darley brochure printing headquarters will probably explode if he does.. be some result for Dubawi
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http://livetv.sx/en/allupcoming/
Kentucky Derby listed under equestrian events on right of page. If it doesn`t show at first, click on broadcasts on banner at top of page and it should then show.
http://livetv.sx/en/allupcoming/
Kentucky Derby listed under equestrian events on right of page. If it doesn`t show at first, click on broadcasts on banner at top of page and it should then show.
jonjon, mike de kock deserves a big race international winner, feels like nobody apart from south africa and dubai really knows about him, he is top quality in my opinion
Dortmund looks well ahead on the clock, ew bet for me.
derby card if anyone wants it;
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http://www.brisnet.com/brisnet_promos/KentuckyDerby15.pdf
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http://www.brisnet.com/brisnet_promos/KentuckyDerby15.pdf
are atr showing it? they have churchill now but does it not include triple crown etc
a truly great moment in racing from 1990 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALcbYxWeO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DALcbYxWeO4
RUK have exclusive Marve. Otherwise you can watch the replay, 20-30 mins after the race,at Churchill Downs's website.
Agree Dortmund looked the part last time i seen him but would worry he might have peaked and what he has really beat , not sure about Frosted ,interesting and could have the scope but may need well need further ,i have backed Mubtaahij and think the race will be run to suit but he could easily be destroyed by American Pharoah ,who looks a typical big flat track bully who should be too good for the other ftb,s ,Carp Diem and Dortmund ,maybe Mubtaahij will get a tow into the race by then and go on and stuff the Pharoah late on , but American Pharoah looks a worthy fav and the one to beat imo .
but i have been wrong before ....once ......or thrice or so
no kentucky derby thread is complete without this . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv8x9x5A49s .
but i have been wrong before ....once ......or thrice or so
no kentucky derby thread is complete without this . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv8x9x5A49s .
One of the most competitive Derbys in a long time. I looked at replays of the latest starts of Carpe,
Frosted,Pharoah,Dortmund and International. They all raced at 10 furlongs and all ran fast times.
The odd thing is that I felt I was watching the same horse in each race,although Dortmund is a monster
of a horse.
Then there's the unbeaten Pletcher runner Materiality and the unknown quantity of Mubtaahij.
I've settled on Carpe,Dort.and Material.
Yes ,pharoah can win but I see no value in his price given the wide draw and the fact that there's a lot
of genuine speed inside of him.Frosted comes from mid pack which could also see him wide but he's a much
better price and versatile,so I wouldn't put anyone off betting him.
Trip is going to be crucial.
Frosted,Pharoah,Dortmund and International. They all raced at 10 furlongs and all ran fast times.
The odd thing is that I felt I was watching the same horse in each race,although Dortmund is a monster
of a horse.
Then there's the unbeaten Pletcher runner Materiality and the unknown quantity of Mubtaahij.
I've settled on Carpe,Dort.and Material.
Yes ,pharoah can win but I see no value in his price given the wide draw and the fact that there's a lot
of genuine speed inside of him.Frosted comes from mid pack which could also see him wide but he's a much
better price and versatile,so I wouldn't put anyone off betting him.
Trip is going to be crucial.
I fancy Frosted too. Did well to win from his position LTO. Will get a much stronger pace to aim at here - will be moving up steadily from the back and could easily get there.
American Pharoah could be a monster though.
American Pharoah could be a monster though.
if Carpe Diem won the the Derby winner would be by Giants Causeway and the Guineas winner out of his full sister YoureSoThrilling :o
I was tempted by Mubtahij but I'd rather not chance Soumillon ruining my weekend :o good luck to team De Kock though.
read the pedigree analysis on blood horse and they talked up BOLO.
Turf horse but dynamormer on top with the dam a half sister to Mind that Bird and Dullahan (3rd in the KD).
Turf horse but dynamormer on top with the dam a half sister to Mind that Bird and Dullahan (3rd in the KD).
That owner is pretty fked up if he's supporting both Bayern and Dortmund....good egg mind....
i have looked at a lot of you tube etc and i have a feeling Mr.Z will run into a place at huge odds or even cause a huge upset, beaten by a fair few of these but i think the peak is tonight. International Star a NR, as is Stanford, Tale of Verse and El Kabeir
had a saver on OP Godolphin beast
gl all
had a saver on OP Godolphin beast
gl all
Danzig Moon for me ... http://www.latekick.com/special-events/kentucky-derby-2015.aspx
More chance of a knockout here than in the pac/mayweather fight, itsaknockout 66/1 & beastmund for me
had a look at that link gm10 ...on Mubtaahij
Made an abolutely mockery of the field in the G2 UAE Derby. The problem with this horse is that he has never even come close to chasing Derby-like early fractions. He'll be 15 lengths behind after two furlongs if he goes the pace he's been used to. He's taking a step into the unknown here.
Made an abolutely mockery of the field in the G2 UAE Derby. The problem with this horse is that he has never even come close to chasing Derby-like early fractions. He'll be 15 lengths behind after two furlongs if he goes the pace he's been used to. He's taking a step into the unknown here.
anyone have a link please, my BT is being very annoying as usual
wish i stuck with Sky
wish i stuck with Sky
Soumillon looks like a giant amongst the yank jocks :o
Was that shouty doing an advert for KFC on nbc? Wow.
got an odd record in this race over the years.....remember backing thunder gulch i think years back at about 20-1....also funny cide won for me.
never won the guineas though...
so here goes.
firing line
never won the guineas though...
so here goes.
firing line
was thinking the same Angela ,shame we cant have a go at some of the pools ,access to some of the exotics would be nice .. a downright disgrace .
What fantastic fanfare....in uk they'd get baldfred to sing f**king national anthem
thanks mate - really appreciate that (breadnbutter)
did it from 3/4 wide on the turn so well deserved & gutsy, they all had a fair crack so a worthy winner
1st American Pharoah
2nd Firing Line
3rd Dortmund
4th Frosted
very uneventful race, front 3 made running nothing else got involved, Frosted finished late
2nd Firing Line
3rd Dortmund
4th Frosted
very uneventful race, front 3 made running nothing else got involved, Frosted finished late
ruk logo right on top of the sectional timing clock utter f'ing w'ers
Was very brave the winner.
Frosting closing too late, had they gone a second quicker at halfway, he'd have gone extremely close. Pace was average to slow.
Frosting closing too late, had they gone a second quicker at halfway, he'd have gone extremely close. Pace was average to slow.
Got kind of excited when Joel set Frosted loose and made up 10lengths on that lot....
espinoza made that look hard, he should have taken a pull instead of going soooo wide on bend
How many days holiday would Victor Espinoza have got for his whip use over here?
they don't "whip" them over there...it's more like hacking, brutal and barbaric at times.
The first time I went racing in America to the Preakness in 1981 I was totally shocked by the whip use in every race. The Aussies were at one time as bad.
Quote from an America racing friend.
I was a bit more concerned with Gary Stevens sending Firing Line too early. He started the move right at the turn into the top of the stretch. He should have started deep to mid-stretch. I don't see a Triple Crown here. The winner had all he could do get the lead, lose it and regain it for the win at 1 1/4 miles. The Preakness is 1 3/16 and could set up nicely for Firing Line.
Materiality will probably not blow the start there as he did here and having to pass 11 horses in the final quarter.
I was a bit more concerned with Gary Stevens sending Firing Line too early. He started the move right at the turn into the top of the stretch. He should have started deep to mid-stretch. I don't see a Triple Crown here. The winner had all he could do get the lead, lose it and regain it for the win at 1 1/4 miles. The Preakness is 1 3/16 and could set up nicely for Firing Line.
Materiality will probably not blow the start there as he did here and having to pass 11 horses in the final quarter.
I firmly believe American pharoah will win the Preakness, Espinoza had him far too wide and made a stupid run around the final bend, the horse has too much speed and will likely not get home in the Belmont
The one thing America needs to do is reduce the maximum field to like 15, them gates are not even lined up straight at the beginning, low draws have so much advantage it I untrue, Dortmund and firing line were drawn 8 and 10, late finishing frosted drawn 15
The one thing America needs to do is reduce the maximum field to like 15, them gates are not even lined up straight at the beginning, low draws have so much advantage it I untrue, Dortmund and firing line were drawn 8 and 10, late finishing frosted drawn 15
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