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pablo-fanque
10 Apr 15 16:57
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that's the body language of a jockey that wants to win
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Report stridingedge April 10, 2015 4:58 PM BST
that horse has always been a right monkey
Report Muppetier April 10, 2015 4:58 PM BST
are you allowed to keep elbowing the other jockey?
Report stridingedge April 10, 2015 4:59 PM BST
got to keep that race
Report ged April 10, 2015 4:59 PM BST
body language of deliberate interference in my eyes.
Report Latalomne April 10, 2015 5:00 PM BST
Oh, he meant it alright.
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:00 PM BST
surely town mouse would not have won there...fraud
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:00 PM BST
sound ride doesn't have to give ground to one moving up the inner when racing room was minimal,Goldstein hoping the winner moved off and Skelton does nowt wrong.
Report Racingqueen April 10, 2015 5:01 PM BST
Makes a mockery of stewards if he keeps it
Report bookie 25 April 10, 2015 5:01 PM BST
The horse was dodging. Jockey done everything he could and the rail coming out didnt help. No doubt best horse won as had it not been dodging it would have won by a few lengths. If the rail hadnt been there the result would have been the same imho. Keeps the race.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 5:02 PM BST
No, that's the body language of a jockey riding to stop another horse winning.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:02 PM BST
Goldstein shoved have challenged around Skelton,caused his own probs trying to be cute. Should have been put over the rail approaching the last!
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:02 PM BST
should not shoved
Report ab----t April 10, 2015 5:03 PM BST
Left hand down all the way up the run in, and before the last really. Jock made absolutely no effort to keep his horse off the runner up.

Idiotic M Chapman says its the course layouts fault. Keeping a line adjacent to the rail is the correct line. Skelton just went the shortest way he could with no regard to where the runner up was.
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:04 PM BST
both should get disqualified and a 1000 should win lmao
Report ged April 10, 2015 5:04 PM BST
He was yanking the horse's head to the left to get him to close off the ground of his rival. What's that if it isn't deliberate interference?
Report Racingqueen April 10, 2015 5:04 PM BST
Jock made no effort to keep his mount from 2nd on purpose
Report EVILROYSLADE April 10, 2015 5:05 PM BST
Skelton was aiming his mount and the rest of his body at the other. I layed the fav so no matter to me.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:05 PM BST
that is called race riding
Report EVILROYSLADE April 10, 2015 5:06 PM BST
I doubt it.
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:06 PM BST
any where else in the world that would get thrown out...very noble clearly the best horse in the race and would have won if not hampered
Report NOW WE KNOW April 10, 2015 5:07 PM BST
very surprised if he keeps it. The second would get the race on appeal for certain.
Report EVILROYSLADE April 10, 2015 5:07 PM BST
Last message was for PH Godsend!
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:07 PM BST
i know...just adding my 2 pence piece hehe
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:08 PM BST
how long do they want to take ffs
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:09 PM BST
Goldstein didn't have to be so cute,caused his own probs. No self respecting jockey is going to give you that rail run on that run in. Should think himself lucky he got to the line in one piece.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 5:09 PM BST
Why should Goldstein have challenged around the winner when it was the winner's jockey deliberately turning his horse's head to  steer into the 2nd and cut off his run, and all the time using his whip in the wrong hand too?

The winning jockey knew he would be beaten unless he stopped the 2nd from winning and even got in so tight as to stop Goldstein being able to use his own whip effectively too, so that's what he did and should be banned and thrown out for doing so.
Report EVILROYSLADE April 10, 2015 5:10 PM BST
True PH. Goldstein would surely have won had he come wider.
Report dan hardcore April 10, 2015 5:10 PM BST
There was room for goldstein, he went for the gap, got into it, and then skelton tried to carve him up. Sort of ride should lose the race even if he ends up winning by a neck.
Report ab----t April 10, 2015 5:11 PM BST
Runner up jumped level at the last. He wasn't trying to pinch any ground he was already there !
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:11 PM BST
town mouse keeps the race AngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngryAngry
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:11 PM BST
of course its race riding ERS, Skelton held his ground and perhaps tightened it up. If that was AP or Piggott everyone would be amazed Goldstein had the nerve to try for that run.
Report GODSEND April 10, 2015 5:11 PM BST
MARKET SETTLED...TOWN MOUSE WINS
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 10, 2015 5:12 PM BST
ged: If you yank a horse's head to the left, it will go to its right. They are not made of elastic.

If you don't believe me, watch the replay for any horse who gets the comment "hung right" or "edged right" and look at its head carriage.
Report dan hardcore April 10, 2015 5:12 PM BST
Skelton probably gets a few days holiday, crap rules.
Report EVILROYSLADE April 10, 2015 5:13 PM BST
Just my opinion PH. I reckon he got annoyed at Goldsteins cheek and made sure he drove him into the rail.
Report NOW WE KNOW April 10, 2015 5:14 PM BST
Totally certain they will get the race on appeal. Bumped 4 times, whip in the wrong hand and beaten the minimum distance.

Very poor decision.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 5:14 PM BST
Goldstein wasn't looking to be "given" the rail, it was there to take but wouldn't have been if Skelton had taken it but he didn't,   meaning Goldstein was entitled to take it considering there was plenty of room to if Skelton had only held his ground, except he didn't and deliberately steered into Goldstein to cut him off.

That's not race riding, that's unfairly doing all you can to stop another horse from winning.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:16 PM BST
didn't have an interest in the finish but if I owned or trained the winner then he did what he is being paid for. Runner up never hit the front and may well have been intimidated but we race under British rules and Skelton was very professional in his finish.
Report Bonza Bud April 10, 2015 5:16 PM BST
They don't throw them out anymore do they?
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:18 PM BST
and I agree Roy that he may have been rajjed at going up his inner 50 yards before the last.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 5:18 PM BST
Jockeys aren't paid to break the rules just to win and potentially put the safety or other jockeys and horses at risk.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:23 PM BST
if I had had £2k on him @ 7's then he can shoot him ( as long as its far enough from to make a difference,  rules only tend to regulate last furlong ). I'll pay his fine and give him a carpet for his day off plus his present. Get it home first,they all pay double result nowadays.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:25 PM BST
Mercenary spirit trumps corinthian in my home. Sorry but thats life!
Report dan hardcore April 10, 2015 5:25 PM BST
If goldstein had put his whip in his left hand and carried the winner across the track he would have won. The rules are barmy.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:30 PM BST
he should have done it Dan,obviously the stewards being charged with upholding the rules and regs thought Skelton had a case for tightening Goldstein up. He has interfered,he has done it deliberately,he has won the race and kept it. Any issues should be taken up with the BHA for the rules and capability of stewards. Not with Harry Skelton,as mentioned AP, Ruby or Lester wouldn't have let him slip inside ( and be praised by the majority )
Report dan hardcore April 10, 2015 5:36 PM BST
We'll have to disagree on that ph! I think if a jockey leaves a big gap on the rail, he has to accept it when something challenges there.If he wanted to keep the rail he should've stayed on it.
Report ima_mazed66 April 10, 2015 5:39 PM BST
I'm sure that means a lot to any punters who backed the 2nd.

They've basically created a cheats charter saying you can do as you like and still keep the race and if stewards aren't going to change results like this and are always just happy to do nothing regardless, then do away with stewards and then everyone knows it's a free for all.

If Skelton gets a ban now then that's just rubbing salt into the punters' wounds, as by banning him they are saying he has done something wrong but have still allowed him to benefit from that, which is a bit like a footballer scoring a goal with his hand and the referee saying he will let the goal stand but send the player off.
Report ph. April 10, 2015 5:49 PM BST
1 day, in fairness I think he knew exactly what he was doing but clearly Harry knows the rules and the probability of getting thrown out without hitting somebody with a 7 iron. I only ever thought the gap a tight horse width, a bit too snug IMO and obviously in Skeltons.
Report baracoudafan April 10, 2015 6:41 PM BST
Race 6 - 4:50pm THE CASINO AT bet365 HANDICAP STEEPLE CHASE (CLASS 4)
The Stewards held an enquiry under Rule (B)11.6 into possible interference on the apex of the bend having jumped the last. Having heard their evidence and viewed recordings of the race they found that the winner, TOWN MOUSE, ridden by Harry Skelton, had interfered with VERY NOBLE (FR), placed second, ridden by Marc Goldstein, and that the interference had not improved TOWN MOUSE’s placing as once the interference had occurred VERY NOBLE (FR) improved its position to get its head in front before TOWN MOUSE rallied and passed the second late on. They therefore ordered the placings to remain unaltered. The Stewards found Skelton in breach of Rule (B)54.1 and guilty of careless riding in that he allowed TOWN MOUSE to drift left on the apex of the bend without taking sufficient corrective action to prevent the interference from occurring. They suspended him for one day as follows: Friday 24 April 2015.


Must have been a different race to the one I watched. Very Noble did not get to the front after the last, but was closing all the way to the line after being almost put over the rail.
Report baracoudafan April 10, 2015 6:45 PM BST
At The Races comment for Very Noble

    in rear, headway before 3 out, challenged last, every chance and not much room on inside against the rail on run-in, just held close home
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