Punter returns overpayment oncourse

I hope you bunged him a nifty?

he probably believed in kharma

I have to say I find the vast majority of punters on course to be honest.  If we make a mistake and start to pay a punter too much they usually say at the time.  The only time this wouldn't be true is after amended results.  After betting on track for 46 years only once has a punter brought the money back after an amended result.  We told him to keep it for his goodwill and honesty and thanked him very much.

have a bet with factmachine and he gives u ur stake back before the race as he always claims  his machine is down

i bet if the customer knew he was going to be referred to as a cust on a forum , he would have kept the money

only joking

does it happen sometimes that a horse is withdrawn at the start , declared a non-runner and some punters don't come back for their void bets?

In my experience there are very few swift.  If they are they tend to be £2 bets.

it doesn't happen much nowadays but bookmakers used to often get caught out by late objections or stewards enquiries.
I remember one in particular at towcester about 15 years ago when an objection was announced by the clerk of the scales, after all were paid out
after the obvious disqualification five of the six punters who had been paid came back and returned the money. the one that didn't was insignificant as only a little over a fiver.
there always has been and always should be an air of honesty between punter and racecourse bookmakers who are mostly honourable people
I'm pleased to hear it still exists today

"5 OUT THE 6 CAME BACK" I DONT DOUBT WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE ADGE BUT THE ODDS WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 120/1 FOR 5 OUT OF 6,THE 5 WERE PROBABLY TRAVELLING WITH YOU IN YOUR CAR

An on course bookie overpaid me some years back and I returned the money to him. He was flabbergasted. I suppose he was surprised that he had made a mistake in the first instance.

Are you sure that was not Huntingdon adge ? I think a horse called Hogmanay was involved though I am not sure. I know of one book that ended up paying out twice which leads me to ask how many books pay out without waiting for the 'weighed in' announcement ?

on the other hand ....and this one must be 25 years ago or more
at Pontefract a bookmaker had laid a winner 550 to 200 which in those day was a very big bet . the bookmaker got the money carefully counted and ready in the bottom corner of the hod.
the bookmaker sent the clerk to get the coffees while he took a deep breath and the tic tac took the book for the payout.
up walked a punter with a ticket and the tic tac said seven fifty and the lucky chap was paid out ..a couple of minutes later another punter came with his ticket and the tictac said seven hundred and fifty.
the bookmaker went white. the first winning bet was 7.50p
needless to say the tic tac was never allowed near the book again...and the lucky punter was probably out of the car park by then

no , it was towcester , the winner was the bogey , my memory is not certain but I think I ended with two sleepers for the second that was promoted

Ok - wonder if anybody can remember the Hogmanay race at Huntingdon - at least twenty years ago ?

I wasn't there that day demo.  However I bet on the 1991 Whitbread whilst at Market Rasen and had just finished paying out on Cahervillahow when punters started arriving to draw off Docklands Express.  Reversed the placings as the first had intimidated the second

Hogmanay was 29th November 1988.

Yes wassy I was at Sandown that day. Personally the reversal was good news.

I think I was at University in 1988 and Dad was at Huntingdon.  Seem to remember the story.

Still hurts

One of the horses at Sandown had pink hearts on the silks I remember.

Plundering?

OP

Did you give him a few quid for his honesty

Cahervillahow was pink with pink hearts wasn't it?

Yes wasnot, I think you are correct.

Quite right - was Docklands blue and yellow ( chevrons perhaps ) ?

found it on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_AMCZMmtUo

Plundering and Cahervillahow same colours, both owned by Mrs Miles Valentine hence the hearts

I've been paid out on dogs that the race has subsequently been declared void and it always went back to the books. Not for big amounts, a couple of hundred that type of thing. You have to have honour in the gambling world, my good name is worth a lot more than a bottle!

Best system I could ever remember was to go to Huntingdon and have a hunt around for Mrs Miles Valentine.  If she was there her horses won.  If she wasn't, they didn't.

Can relate to Slippy and rest of thread in roundabout way re this subjest - always remember being at Sedgefield on Champion Hurdle day 1997 when Make A Stand p1ssed the race - anyway just before /in between races a guy in front of me in queue placed a £400 bet on a dog at Brough Park-as it was called then (massive bet back then for dogs but lass behind counter never flinched)- in a hcp race only for dog to fall out of the traps -beaten straight away he chucked the ticket away and walked off to watch champion hurdle on the big screen whilst i scratted about to pick his ticket up - why? cos i had a gut feeling the dogs trap had opened late -sure enough it had and race was called void .
Anyway to cut a long story short i hunted him down and told him what had happened (he was oblivious at time) and was rewarded wiv half the returns -namely £200
Jobsagudun and served me well eva since

bet placed in onsite betting shop by the way lol

did he think you was a stalker, prob still waiting for you appear somewhere with the rest

lol no mate and i think that was the same night we travelled onto Brough for night meet  and SP got me the jackpot up for £2

Haway i was just a bairn back then ....cut me some slack

small world

This used to be Broughs theme tune in between races.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRkxq-uhN94&index=12&list=PLOcTyC4V1IjbxdNK

SP got me the jackpot up for £2

SP ?

you dafty -blondie being ya partner and Joe the shot up postman from  C-LS-T

The postman lost his nerve afta being shot at lol -you know who i mean -didnt know you from Adam at the time bar you ran the joint (am i wrong) -had 4 tickets left and you guided me thru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRkxq-uhN94&index=12&list=PLOcTyC4V1IjbxdNK

I a nah who joes is...i know ive spoke with u on here for yrs but was never sure who u were...will i know who u are?

and wots the relevance in the video?

and who's blondie?

Apologies mate - dont know what happened wiv video -thought Blonidie was ya partner back then(younger than me and jo for sue) Jo a great guy by the way - maybe we cud all meet up when Pelaw Grange gets a gig on the telly via Sky -now that wud give Chappers something to talk about lol

ps i think his name was Andy -indeed im sure lol

And the Pelaw Gig is happening -who wuda thought  -hopefully ya not barred from there as well are ya -
be nice to meet up for a pint all us no marks and have a yarn or a scrap wivout the forum knowing -you being the greyhound king back in the day i reckon you should get betfair to organise it and for us mere peasants to wreck the joint oi oi

thort thats who you meant...aye he starting hanging around me just at the time i started pricing up myself...i put on for him when i had a bet and had the best run i'd ever had...he nade a fortune back then.

whats with the johnny hates jazz video?

cant ya rememba music afta every race -was always johnny hates jazz- musta been me you were too pissed on bovril lol- did me head in when ya were walking back up the steps cos it was always a song from them win or lose -i wish i cud turn back the clock

PELAWS ON THE TELLY soon - so they reckon -wud be a gud excuse for the northern nutters to meet up and have a piss take i reckon and your just the man to sort it

nite racing starts soon...cannae afford a nite off

dont worry nee one will shoot ya for having a night off -wud be  Bovrils all round as well -being brought up on its sister track up the road (which was much the better track by the way and now a housing estare along  with Asdas Gosforth Park) the place has come a long way .Can just see you on tv delivering a FOYSC to Chappers live on air

Sorry..........did this thread suddenly morph into a gangster mob film script.! Just wondered who it is that has the De Niro  part ?

ronnie corbett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAGkuPaatdc

need we say anymore

democrat • March 25, 2015 10:53 PM GMT
Ok - wonder if anybody can remember the Hogmanay race at Huntingdon - at least twenty years ago ?

29th November 1988!

Hogmanay (CAN) SP 9/2

Richard Rowe weighed in a stone (6.35 kg) light!

I was clerking for A.J.H (God rest his soul) in the Silver Ring at Huntingdon!

A geezer had a 150/50 and Andrew had paid him out literally seconds before the announcement that, "An objection has been lodged by The Clerk of the Scales"!

With this, the geezer took off across the field towards the car park with A.J.H (I was going to say, 'in hot pursuit')!

Anyhow, the geezer was getting further and further away and A.J.H gave up the chase!

He came trudging back and I said, "Come on Andrew, there's people here waiting to have a bet"!

I think I got sacked shortly after!

What if he'd had a four pony's back, he'd have done another pony!

Anyone remember Turner and Kendrick? I returned a £20 overpayment at Worcester many moons ago.

Gus (I think was his name) was delighted; always gave me a price that was disappearing thereafter.

I hope you gave him at least £50 worth of free bets.

the quadrant Coventry was were there office was parispike.

The on course mob were a different outfit to off course,it was gus Paris,always liked a drinks interval between races.

Are bookmakers still allowed to leave the course before the last race is finished after taking bets on the said race ?

We have to stay for 15 mins after the last race we took bets on has finished.  If a punter comes to collect after that there is a procedure in place with the betting ring manager for the punter to get their money.

Thanks wasnot,

Many years ago I had £20 on an 11/2 winner in the last race at Newcastle. When I went to collect my money the bookmaker had left. Another bookmaker told me to send the winning ticket to the NBPA in Leeds which I did. A cheque was received within two weeks.

I kept a photocopy of the ticket, I'll have a look see if I can find it.

The honesty thing works both ways....

Going back a few (many!) years me and a pal were at Wimbledon Dogs. Our pin stuck in Trap 2 and we both toddled off with our crisp £20 notes in hand to have a bet. Both had £20 on the said Trap 2 with two different books standing next to each other.

Trap 2 obliged and we went to pick up. I got paid but my mates bet had been written down as trap 1. He had a discussion with the chap and said that we had had the same bet. The guy confirmed the bet with my guy and paid him out......

Obviously had us down as mug punters and we ended up giving it all back but would have to praise his integrity

you would be surprised how many lose their ticket between placing a bet and collecting after a race.
if the punter handles himself correctly we pay smaller amounts [ up to £50 ] immediately with no ticket. larger bets go through a claim procedure and have to wait 28 days before getting a cheque.

qualify that.....by immediately I mean after the last race

I've found the letter / ticket and the money was received two weeks from when I posted the ticket.

We had a punter come to us at Southwell on Tuesday and we had overstaked his winning bet by accident - he kindly told us and we paid him the correct amount plus a bonus - there are honest punters about.

I've only lost a 'winning' ticket once. It was on Harry Wragg's Nationwide in the Chester Cup in the 70's. Sea Pigeon won it, and Nationwide came 3rd. I had a tenner E/W. I went to the bookie (centre of the track), and he told me to come back after the following race, and if it hadn't been claimed, he'd pay me. I went back, as told, and he showed me the ledger to show that the bet had been claimed. I was convinced he was a liar, but just swallowed it because I was so annoyed with myself for losing the ticket. At another Chester meeting not long after, I got overpaid a tenner (different bookie), and kept it - I felt at the time it was natural justice - it wasn't really, as it was a different guy - I've felt guilty ever since!

Another time I went through 3 days of the Ebor meeting and didn't have winner until race 6 of day 3 - I felt so relieved, I took a few minutes to sit in the stands and enjoy the sunshine before going to collect my winnings. When I went down, the bookie had effed off to the dogs (there was a race 7 to come), I got my money by post though, as advised. I was p1ssed off for a few minutes though. I did win on race 7 too though, and ended the meeting all square. Willie Carson had the last 2 at 9s and 10s - Ulterior Motive and one for Jimmy Fitz.

why were you at southwell on Tuesday ?

i'm in the ap mccoy fan club

ged,Regarding your 11.07 post.Any reputable bookie would,nt have paid out on that bet without resolving the dispute with yourself first,and showing you the ledger without retaining the ticket to prove it suggests you were cheated.

yes , mmm must agree with you there [ now that's rare in itself ] . the clerk should have shown you the two halves of the ticket and the ledger entry.
actually , I was a bookmaker working in the centre of the course at chester that day . I hope it wasn't me !!

adge - no it wasn't you. I remember you when you first started. This bloke was non-descript - I wouldn't recognise now if I passed him in the street.

I blamed myself. The ticket was worth a couple of notes, so I just said to myself it was as if I'd lost money out of my pocket.

Dave Richardson weighed me in £250 too much at Catford one night, I said to him, are you mad? He thought I was after more, he was very happy, and always gave me best price after, one night at Wimbledon, Derby final night many years ago a drunk Irishman had an even monkey a winner, I put my bet on and went, about an hour later I saw him slumped in a chair, I said well done mate, lovely punt, he was clueless as to what had happened, I managed to get him out to  Tony Morris, where he found the ticked screwed up in his pocket, I sat him down again and about 15 minutes after his son found us, worried he had got lost, I told him what happened, he insisted on giving me a ton, I was not interested, he wouldn't take no for an answer, said I could have taken the ticket and got the lot, Royal Ascot, Mr Dinos Gold Cup, I had £300 at 10/3, walked away, 5 mins later, looked at my ticket, it said £30 at 10-3, went back though thought I had no chance, bookie said, yep, I remember and changed the ticket, fair play

Great post Deptford and a good thread.

One story that I've just remembered from many years ago, on the cheapside at Wimbledon I had £100/20 with Sid Hooper, after he paid me out the race was declared void as the judge decided the hare was too short, Wally Harrison was calling evens in running the hare!
So the race duly declared void and I gave Sid back the £120. After about 5 minutes I went back and said, "Oi Sid, I've given you my stake back as well."
Him and his clerk started laughing and said "we were wondering when the penny would drop." They would have given it back anyway, they just had a chortle at my expense.

Sid Hopper firm has made a comeback on racecourses now Slippy

Hooper

An enjoyable thread.

I regularly get overpaid at my local bookies for some reason, but I always tell them. I'm quick enough to point out when I'm underpaid so things work both ways imo.

Great fred

ive not posted on here for ages.....thank god b\krap is alive and well

APPARENTLY THE PUNTER BOUGHT THE DOUGH BACK AND SAID ...I HAD A TOUCH AT A YARMOUTH BED\BREAKFAST ITS ONLY FAIR I GIVE A LITTLE BACK

Is Cyril Lynch still working at the Northern tracks ?

david lynch is still betting , holywell , under the Cyril lynch name

His son David runs the firm Holywell,not as many pitches as they used to have but still got some very good ones.

Beat me to it adge,don't be late today,likely to be a queue at the badge box.

Oi adge,

Don't forget to keep 'The Weasel'wise on your side!

There'll be fortunes for it when Skinto arrives at the track!

skinto would get a nose bleed coming this far north

Thanks gentlemen.

If he gets a lift he'll go anywhere !

Got overpaid by a couple of hundred by the late Pat Whelan at Sedgefield one afternoon. Handed it back and he loudly announced, "You sir, are a GENTLEMAN."

Walked away feeling pleased with myself and looking forward to the good day that must surely follow.

Ended up about 2 grand down and barely able to find the cab fare back to Darlington station.

on the other side of the coin i was once underpaid 140 quid one time at huntingdon a few years back, it was 2 others people money aswell as own i put on, it was over 3 grand payout, when i paid everyone out back in the bar, i realised it was short and I went back, the bookie told me he would get the ring inspector involved to check his money, and asked me to return after the last race, i went back the bookie told me the ring inspector had checked his money and it was spot on, basically leaving me to except the situation, there was never any evidence of a ring inspector  being invoved to me.

a few months later At the cheltenham festival i was given a 50 ew ticket on rith dubh at 12/1 when he won the fulke walwyn under a briiliant ride from jt mcnamara when i asked 15 ew, when it had won i noticed the error and sent my mate into draw incase the error was noticed, did pay for slap up meal in cheltenham that night and a few lapdances.