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How Straight Is Online Roulette - Any Programmers Out There?
How Straight Is Online Roulette - Any Programmers Out There?
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I'll have some of that big boy...
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homefortea
homefortea 21 Mar 15 18:52 Joined: 06 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 9,620 The FOBTS cannot be random in the Pubs around here or why else would the pros always ask the barman which machine has/has not paid out on the day.. what the prozzies go in the pub to play the machine?shouldnt they be out earning a dishonest living |
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No the alleged "pro" machine players...
Some of them never lose apparently.. Not sure about the pubs in England but the maximum payout here is a monkey. |
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ive read alot of your stuff hft im a big fan
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I have a large following and an even larger one that precedes them...
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a bit like spartacus
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I used to work for a Major Bookmaker and a minor one plus I was in charge of Online Operations for an Internet Operator..
I have emerged from being a Slave so yes.. I AM SPARTICUS...... |
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Just to set you straight, in theory computers cannot generate a random number, however what is the definition of random? Most computers will generate "random" numbers from their internal clock, convert the time (usually to 1000th of a second) to an integer. Take another timing, and multiply the the middle values of the number concerned. So although not "random", as this is based on an actual time, it is impossible to predict.
That said, a completely random number generator does not return the required margin on the games, and hence a further filter is applied to ensure the expected payment levels are maintained. However the criteria of user stake is not applied. |
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Swardean.....surely the margin of the game is built in to the payout....nothing to do with the number generator
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The numbers are random. Of course they are. Why the frig would they need to rig a game that is **** in their favour anyway? You think casinos lose on bricks and mortar roulette?
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And yes, freerolling is spot on. The margin is nothing to do with the number generator, it is just that you get paid 35/1 on a 37/1 shot on the straight numbers and your even money shots or 2/1 shots because the 0 is a loser.
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Marychain1, How can you can compare B&M casinos to online casinos?
The very existence of the house margin function within casino software suggests the numbers can't possibly be truly random. Furthermore this computerised margin is a variable, which can be set to whatever the programmer wishes. |
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marychain1 • March 23, 2015 12:35 AM GMT
The numbers are random. Of course they are. Why the frig would they need to rig a game that is **** in their favour anyway? You think casinos lose on bricks and mortar roulette? the only problem is as your selecting your numbers the computer program actually knows what numbers your on before you spin it certainly not the same as going to a casino..... in my opinion nothing more than a slot machine-steer clear..... if four machines in a shop pressed at exactly the same time.....same number comes out bookmakers have a saying never give a sucker an even break if roulette is someones pastime i would sooner go casino but not for me |
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It's Elton John straight
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The OP is spot on.
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try it now,online,10 red, 10 black, 5 red 5 black,5 black 5 red,u wont win anyway u do it.
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having emptied these machines and seen the profit and loss, i can say, yes they do make a loss. They are NOT bandits,
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The house has a 2.7% edge in all roulette(single 0)
whether it be online , fobts or bricks and mortar, the numbers generated are random enough to maintain this margin. Why on earth would they risk killing the goose that lays the golden egg? |
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Much as I would love to believe you MT, I can't. The only way that would be acceptable to me would be if someone is rolling a ball in a televised casino after all betting is suspended, and even that can be fraudulent, like in-running betting. I cannot accept the machine knowing my stake and selections before the action. Imo, anything is possible regarding the vermin that operate these machines.
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government like them,tax purposses
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Again grateful for apparently knowledgable input but my main question remains unanswered I.e. Is there a monitoring body out there with the authority and expertise to swoop on dodgy operators ( including or rather especially the Big Four), suspend their operation and check that payouts are not determined or altered by the size of the stake or uncover anything untoward.
If such a body does not exist then Online Roulette has the potential to be a thieves' charter which will, hopefully, one day be unmasked as such, with similar outcome to the PPI scandal |
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AS I said two days ago.
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As a complete novice to this Gambling Game surely the cards dealt cannot be truly random on a machine....
If a punter wins the maximum then sure as hell the next deal will not pay another monkey (pub machines) and that is why they have a disclaimer and that is why the "true pros" always ask the barman which machine has paid out. Just a thought. |
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Mr Essex there is not a Gambling Authority in the UK with the expertise to work out how much you have won if you have a pound on a 3/1 chance...
You are quite correct - how does anyone know that a machine has for example a 90% payout. Anyone that plays the wretched FOBTS ask for a receipt as you are quite right in questioning the validity of the payout... |
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It's just theoretically increasing the odds in your favour. It's settling down phenomenon. The machine is programmed to even out in the long term towards the payout percentage.
For example, if you wrote a program to replicate the throwing of a dice, and you rolled 3 6's in a row, the odds that the program rolls another 6 does not equal the odds if it was a real dice. The machine is influenced by previous outcomes, whereas of course a real dice does not and is truly random. |
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the only way you would believe that the numbers were random
was if they had something like the national lottery system picking the numbers out..... not a computer programme,really how can they be random once watched 17 consecutive black numbers come out never ever seen that at a casino the machine is programmed,so for me one to swerve.... |
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Cider now we are getting there...
No wonder the "pros" wander round town looking for one that has not paid out and avoiding those that have... Not really fair if you are a non English speaking recent arrival... That puts the minimum wage in them. As they say there are pros and cons to mass immigration... |
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I'm pretty sure that programmers left a "back door" open, back in the day; I never knew what the trigger numbers were, and anyone who knew them didn't know when they going to appear, but if you maximised (playing about half the table for £100 every 30 seconds) you could parley up to c £2,000 and then cash out.
Doubt it's still working but one thing is for sure: you'll never hear a High St bookmaker refer to it. |
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there are no such failsafes at all, they actually DO make a loss sometimes, unlike pub machines, they are as random as you can get. They will not withold anything from you. Doesnt matter if joe blogs has just £500 on it a few seconds earlier, and the way it works by the way, is that when the spin button has been pressed, it then sends a REQUEST, for a random number from a central server. It then uses this number. Theoretically if you pressed at exactly the same time anywhere in country they would both be same numbers, however it changes with every split second.
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mrbookie69...
So if 1000 people pressed the button at the same time they would all win... (I realise that it is a split second but there are so many players)... |
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Sensible posts, but they won't believe you
 The conspiracy theorist will not be diverted . 16 runner handicaps are still blighted by the "brown envelope" non-runner don't you know. |
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the name mrbookie worries me
feel you may be a tad bias......... |
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No wonder the "pros" wander round town looking for one that has not paid out and avoiding those that have...
roulette tables; be they online , fobts or bricks and mortar, have no memory. they don't need one . they sit there earning 2.7% profit with no risk. that 2.7 % is probably more likely to be in excess of 3%,when greed and other factors come into play. someone who throws ,say a tenner on is unlikely to walk off with £9.70 |
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All the posts about 'computers can't generate random numbers' are missing the point; random numbers for gambling aren't produced by computers but by TRNGs (True Random Number Generators or Hardware Random Number Generators); they use a physical process like seminconductor noise to generate a stream of randoms bits (1s and 0s) that can be chopped up to give random numbers.
As a couple of people have pointed out, if you can find punters to take 36-1 about a 37-1 shot, why would you bother cheating? |
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The original post concerned the even money chances or in your evaluation taking 18-19. I suggest that, to allay people's doubts, all wheel spins should be as in a casino and not knowing what the punter has bet on. Would you put your LIFE on the whole process being straight?
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in fairness to what your saying i would certainly trust a live roulette wheel more than an online one myself
way too many grey areas too be exploited by bookmakers........... |
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agree jmdc......
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about 18months ago I got a free £10 from sky vegas played the roulette stakeing 5p on red then upping stake to 25p then 50p just on red doubleing up if I lost sometimes hit 5/6 blacks on the bounce before I won again got up to £180 then just hit a row of black after black wiped it out never touched online games again
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