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Thought I'd try out Online Casino for the first time today, there didn't appear to be a play-for-fun option so I chose to play black/red Roulette for the minimum stake of 10p while I acquainted myself with the format.
What alarmed me was that my first six 10p bets all WON and, being the cynic I am, it crossed my mind that maybe in order to get the player hooked the computer is programmed to be generous to first-time starters, especially ones playing minimum stakes?
I suspect that may well be the case, took my 60p profit and resolved not to play until I'm satisfied Online Casino is kosher.
Are there any safeguards and monitors out there to prevent computer manipulation?
Somehow, I feel that had I been staking the maximum £2.5k per spin instead of the minimum 10p, I would not have been 100 per cent successful with my six spins.
Then again, perhaps I'm too cynical!
What alarmed me was that my first six 10p bets all WON and, being the cynic I am, it crossed my mind that maybe in order to get the player hooked the computer is programmed to be generous to first-time starters, especially ones playing minimum stakes?
I suspect that may well be the case, took my 60p profit and resolved not to play until I'm satisfied Online Casino is kosher.
Are there any safeguards and monitors out there to prevent computer manipulation?
Somehow, I feel that had I been staking the maximum £2.5k per spin instead of the minimum 10p, I would not have been 100 per cent successful with my six spins.
Then again, perhaps I'm too cynical!
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I see a machine wiv "this pays out 77%" written in the side of it wiv people queing to play it................I can comment no further
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Desperate stuff !!
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Anyone who believes that computerized arcade/casino games are purely random probably believes in the tooth fairy. In years to come I suspect the culprits who run these "games" will be paying out BILLIONS to all those people who have been defrauded by them. Watchdog will probably get wind of an IT fraud first. How can anyone bet on an event where the machine knows your stake and your selections before it whirrs into action?
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A computer cannot generate a random number...
why do you think they spend so much money advertising these casinos? |
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dont ruin the geezers day...............
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Only desperate individuals play machines.
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It's more likely that George from Rainbow is straight, imo...
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don't tell me George is @ueer
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You mean Bungle had his way with George
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some porn flick that
Bungle Does George  |
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i'm screwed, i thought bungle was the tooth fairy
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there is no such thing as 'random'.
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I worked in the industry till '12 . We were told the numbers came via a satellite every few seconds !
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And, believe or not I've seen the same no. come out five times on the ''bounce'' watching someone play !
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on the machines in the tote if you pressed the button at the exact same time the same number would come out on all 4 machines
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Lex is correct. Save your monet, man will not beat machine particularly in this case. ITCANNOTBEDONE! I once was in a casino and saw 0 come up 3 times in 5 spins. The little old lady with 20p on 0 every spin cleaned up and the "Propunters" and System players were murdered within 5 spins. Casino games cannot be beat whether live or online.
I hope this clarifies the matter. |
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i heard that number 28 always comes out after number 12
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op- you are not cynical, but you are very stupid indeed.
jmdc-you are even worse, as you seem to think yourself clever enough to spot an irregularity that does not exist. you fhucking moron. |
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pablo-fanque 21 Mar 15 13:42
i heard that number 28 always comes out after number 12 is this true If it was they would have been wiped out before now. |
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If there is a house mark up % the numbers cannot be random
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As lex says, the house has an edge, why would the mess with it. Also have seen what elmasters describes and the same number came up on both machines each time.
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The house edge is already there ~3% with one zero and another ~3% with a second zero or anything else such e.g. cash-pot bonus. As others have stated computers cannot produce truly random numbers. Also read the casino small print defining random in the context of games it is illuminating. Common sense should tell you it is random in as much as unpredictable but almost certainly there is a bias as the stakes go up. Any serious roulette gambling should be done in a bricks and mortar casino especially if they give your free drinks as added value to offset the money you are hemorrhaging. Betfair play fair in as much as you can exclude yourself from casino, games etc, please take it and you won't be tempted.
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saddo , i don't go fishing that much
apologies |
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Elmaster is correct.
With all the negativity about FOBT's, on line casinos etc, I can't really understand why the OP would pick today to start playing. |
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Howisyourluck has already told you.
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Storm Alert 21 Mar 15 13:55
Common sense should tell you it is random in as much as unpredictable but almost certainly there is a bias as the stakes go up. If the same number hits every machine each spin, which machine would determine any bias? Pablo  |
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Just my belief. I don't believe my chance of winning if I bet £1 bet on a roulette spin online the random algorithm would be be the same as if I bet £1000 online. I do believe my chance of winning would be the same in a bricks and mortar casino subject to any mechanical characteristic.
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A computer cannot generate a random number...Absolute garbage computers can and do generate random numbers Having said that, it is not a good idea to play online casino games
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Sorry, storm alert, never thought online might be different, I've only ever seen a two screen comparison in a shop.
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If you choose to throw your money down a drain that's advertised to be 5' deep, does really matter if it's actually 6' deep?
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Thanks for all the input which leads me to believe I made the right decision in stopping my Online Casino adventure with a 100 per cent successful record. I shall now bank the 60p proceeds!
PS: Howsyourluck has a real way with words - I could say he's a real wit but I'd only be 50 per cent right! PPS: Wasn't it Florence who spent every episode trying to get the others into bed? |
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She was in Magic Roundabout innit.
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Florence loved going to bed!
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MIT - the authority on all things clever mathematically speaking says...
You can program a machine to generate what can be called “random” numbers, but the machine is always at the mercy of its programming. “On a completely deterministic machine you can’t generate anything you could really call a random sequence of numbers,” says Ward, “because the machine is following the same algorithm to generate them. Typically, that means it starts with a common ‘seed’ number and then follows a pattern.” The results may be sufficiently complex to make the pattern difficult to identify, but because it is ruled by a carefully defined and consistently repeated algorithm, the numbers it produces are not truly random. “They are what we call ‘pseudo-random’ numbers,” Ward says. |
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Mick Sturbs
A computer cannot generate a random number...Absolute garbage computers can and do generate random numbers Having said that, it is not a good idea to play online casino games Your dead wrong about computers being able to generate random numbers, pseudo random number generators (PRNG) is used and the very existence of the algorithm, no matter how sophisticated, means that the next digit can be predicted. Agree with you last sentence though. |
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I disagree with the above about pseudo random numbers generated by computers and a random number being predictable.
One of the normal methods of generating a random number is to divide the current time (held in tiny fractions of a second so that the number is huge) by a prime number set according to the range in which the random number is to be generated. The modulus is the random number. I don't see how this is predictable as the main variable is the precise time at which the random number is asked for. If they wanted to fiddle that process, then of course they could, but there is nothing wrong with the actual computer process of generating a random number. |
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Common sense that any program cannot be truly random. Someone has written the code that generates the 'random' number. Therefore theoretically there is a pattern, but not in reality.
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The FOBTS cannot be random in the Pubs around here or why else would the pros always ask the barman which machine has/has not paid out on the day..
There is even a message on the machines that says something similar....  |
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they offer ,£50,free if u deposit £10,that wont last long,
 ,its fraud. |