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20 Mar 15
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Bit about me, used to come on here years ago, but now an infrequent visitor, just had to come on to have a rant about bookmakers, they are killing horse racing, the sport i love. Been a punter for nearly 30 years, experienced all kinds of ups n downs, only recently made it pay, last 3 and a bit years to be exact, but had a job to fall back on, but left one of these rodents 1 month ago, quite happily I might add, and really want to make a go of it professionally.
I know how the vermin work, I've probably had 40+ accounts shut in last 3 years, under various guises I might add, but now these bookies just don't want any hrse business, only this week had 1 account shut after 4 bets, and another after none, yes none! They claimed I tried to back a horse at a wrong price, so my acc was no fixed odds, aint that the name of the game? Companies in question are boils and r acebets, just a joke these guys, especially the former, think that s 4 gone with them.
the main barrier is going to be getting on, which £I was aware of, but you expect accoubts to last a little longer.
they should say, you are welcome to bet race, by race, but no early movers please, but ur always welcome in our casino!
I know how the vermin work, I've probably had 40+ accounts shut in last 3 years, under various guises I might add, but now these bookies just don't want any hrse business, only this week had 1 account shut after 4 bets, and another after none, yes none! They claimed I tried to back a horse at a wrong price, so my acc was no fixed odds, aint that the name of the game? Companies in question are boils and r acebets, just a joke these guys, especially the former, think that s 4 gone with them.
the main barrier is going to be getting on, which £I was aware of, but you expect accoubts to last a little longer.
they should say, you are welcome to bet race, by race, but no early movers please, but ur always welcome in our casino!
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Cardifffc.....ever hear of premium charge and commission ya tool ya.....
i'm with cfc...any horse with the aformentioned firms you could easily get on here at better odds (even after commission) and especially if the OP has had 27 losing years from 30. i dont understand these type of posts.
If you win here you pay premium charge.....it couldnt be simpler....if you are allowed bet here without paying the winners tax.....then you are a loser.....
use smarkets exchange same odds as betfair on the horses, only 2% comm and no pc
An intelligent rant would be a good tread .
This however lacks that vital component.
In order to be a successful punter you have to have min of two things.
Proper math skills which are clearly lacking from the op
An advantage which is not exposed .This will vary with many as there are ways but without those vital components as the op does not have its pretty sure to fail .
This however lacks that vital component.
In order to be a successful punter you have to have min of two things.
Proper math skills which are clearly lacking from the op
An advantage which is not exposed .This will vary with many as there are ways but without those vital components as the op does not have its pretty sure to fail .
Its got f all to do with bookmakers Imho .
If you know your stuff you win.
Simple as.
If you know your stuff you win.
Simple as.
Furthermore have been in most racing jurisdictions all over the world and found the exact same thing.
Fact
Fact
As regards to race bets . com brilliant to me over the years and always take my bets when abroad.
Find it hard to fault them to be fair.
Show a very hearty profit with them.
Find it hard to fault them to be fair.
Show a very hearty profit with them.
Its too serious to joke.
For sure I have lost a few bets with them but overall truly they have never refused me.
Have no interest in promoting any company(especially German) but just thought it might be of use.
Either way it goes back to the initial.
Know your stuff.
For sure I have lost a few bets with them but overall truly they have never refused me.
Have no interest in promoting any company(especially German) but just thought it might be of use.
Either way it goes back to the initial.
Know your stuff.
To
King of Dubai.
Can I ask why you created your user name please ?.
King of Dubai.
Can I ask why you created your user name please ?.
Ha !
Fair enough.
Actually Imho he was good but way past the sell buy date now.
Thankyou for being honest .
Will try do be the same and maybe you will benefit from it.
GL.
Fair enough.
Actually Imho he was good but way past the sell buy date now.
Thankyou for being honest .
Will try do be the same and maybe you will benefit from it.
GL.
In reply to the Op.
Nice and WD timeform for a change
theonlywayforward
theonlywayforward 20 Mar 15 20:58 Joined: 31 Aug 05 | Topic/replies: 9,469 | Blogger: theonlywayforward's blog
Backed Annadiamond in the 8.35 @ dundalk because it was unexposed as was the gamble but the price was unreal.
What was unusual was the timeform comment for it as it read quote
33/1, creditable 2¼ lengths 8th of 14 to Cristy's Call in handicap at this course (10.7f) 7 days ago. Looks competitive on form.
Normally priced @ around 7/1.
Nice and WD timeform for a change
theonlywayforward
theonlywayforward 20 Mar 15 20:58 Joined: 31 Aug 05 | Topic/replies: 9,469 | Blogger: theonlywayforward's blog
Backed Annadiamond in the 8.35 @ dundalk because it was unexposed as was the gamble but the price was unreal.
What was unusual was the timeform comment for it as it read quote
33/1, creditable 2¼ lengths 8th of 14 to Cristy's Call in handicap at this course (10.7f) 7 days ago. Looks competitive on form.
Normally priced @ around 7/1.
Just glanced through a few replies, a mixed bag really. Id love to soley use exchanges, but there is very little liquidity in the mornings, thats when most of my business is carried out, so there is a need to use fixed odd bookies. The exchanges would admit about 90% on every race is done upto, and including the final 15 mins
Phoenix - you and many others have made these sort of postings over the years but I feel they're wasted on here. Either initiate some campaign to get things changed or accept that this is how business/ capitalism works and try and find a way around it.
tashkent terror 20 Mar 15 22:33
i'm with cfc...any horse with the aformentioned firms you could easily get on here at better odds (even after commission) and especially if the OP has had 27 losing years from 30. i dont understand these type of posts.
Absolute nonsense - unless you are backing a complete non jigger in the morning, it is near on impossible to get a hundred quid matched on here on anything that is near a double figure price. Liquidity must be at an all time low up until 10 minutes pre race.
i'm with cfc...any horse with the aformentioned firms you could easily get on here at better odds (even after commission) and especially if the OP has had 27 losing years from 30. i dont understand these type of posts.
Absolute nonsense - unless you are backing a complete non jigger in the morning, it is near on impossible to get a hundred quid matched on here on anything that is near a double figure price. Liquidity must be at an all time low up until 10 minutes pre race.
Mar 21, 2015 -- 12:33PM, The Pies wrote:
Phoenix - you and many others have made these sort of postings over the years but I feel they're wasted on here. Either initiate some campaign to get things changed or accept that this is how business/ capitalism works and try and find a way around it.
Whatever, there is little liquidity on here on the morning, so even if he wanted to have £50 on a 16/1 shot, on here, he'd be lucky to get more than a fiver on, early in the day.
last two posts are spot on. Some people have to actually work at some point in the day and often their horrendous hours include the hours of afternoon racing so trying to get a £100ew on an 8/1 poke is hard work on here mid morning unless non jigger, at least you could hit 5 shops for score ew if you really really want it. It might be 11/2 by the time you've got to the 4th destination.
Well probably true if you do not have access as ph has just explained very well.
In my case I work in the industry so that does not occur but often have to deal with owners with that problem and they think we backed it which is not the case .
Reason why is quite simple as been with horses all my life and for sure if you have to travel which is the case most times the amount of things that do go wrong is never publicised .
I for sure would not back even one of ours in the morning.
Better off waiting to know if it travelled well.
On the big meetings its fine because you are normally there two or three days ahead .
In my case I work in the industry so that does not occur but often have to deal with owners with that problem and they think we backed it which is not the case .
Reason why is quite simple as been with horses all my life and for sure if you have to travel which is the case most times the amount of things that do go wrong is never publicised .
I for sure would not back even one of ours in the morning.
Better off waiting to know if it travelled well.
On the big meetings its fine because you are normally there two or three days ahead .
And for sure some stable lads are just brain dead and he may work for another yard but fks you chance through stupidity.
Happens regular and trust me there is no real upside in that only for the bookies.
This stuff is rarely to the fore in race reports but is a crucial part of any success .
Happens regular and trust me there is no real upside in that only for the bookies.
This stuff is rarely to the fore in race reports but is a crucial part of any success .
Too many fools on this forum..
To the biggest two..
No liquidity on this exchange as regards horse racing early on especially when there is a TV meeting and the prices on here are actually smaller than with the alleged "Bookmakers."If nothing proves how many people are banned from their rancid sites and how much money they are turning away this does...
Racebets.Not a lot to say apart from you are banned before you have a bet which must mean that they are breaking all sorts of Data Protection rules.Anyone that claims that they can take a price with the German firm and make a profit is a liar.
To the biggest two..
No liquidity on this exchange as regards horse racing early on especially when there is a TV meeting and the prices on here are actually smaller than with the alleged "Bookmakers."If nothing proves how many people are banned from their rancid sites and how much money they are turning away this does...
Racebets.Not a lot to say apart from you are banned before you have a bet which must mean that they are breaking all sorts of Data Protection rules.Anyone that claims that they can take a price with the German firm and make a profit is a liar.
Homie . . . . .
Got to admit your right my darling lab by had a lump taken out of his ear by a jack Russell yesterday
Can I borrow your gun
Got to admit your right
my darling lab by had a lump taken out of his ear by a jack Russell yesterdayCan I borrow your gun
Which one fella - I have a few..
I have an Benjamin Rogue .357 Air Rifle that can kill Big Game.You could blow away a Jack Russell at 500 yards hide it in the back of your Polo and be back in Ladbrokes in 2 minutes with a sheepish grin and a profit on the FOBTS....
I have an Benjamin Rogue .357 Air Rifle that can kill Big Game.You could blow away a Jack Russell at 500 yards hide it in the back of your Polo and be back in Ladbrokes in 2 minutes with a sheepish grin and a profit on the FOBTS....
Don't want to kill it just sting the little Knuts arse
"He's fine he plays with all the dogs on the farm"
Yeah of cause he does the knut
"He's fine he plays with all the dogs on the farm"
Yeah of cause he does the knut
In that case you need a small air pistol..
Shoot it up the a rse and it will never bite again...
Shoot it up the a rse and it will never bite again...
I love animals to bits Hal but that jack Russell is on the hit list
Poor old muttley has half his ear gone the fooking thing ate it
Poor old muttley has half his ear gone the fooking thing ate it
Yes, they can be quite aggressive for a small ''yappy'' canine !
Have you thought of a cat a pult ?....
Have you thought of a cat a pult ?....
Look on the brightside fella at least he will only have to listen to three quarters of your stories...
Me and Elton had a Civil Partnership blessed by the Bishop and are hoping to adopt as many small boys as we can.
Homie got to admit that made me laugh maybe I roomed with van gough in a previous life
Orson Wells to Donnie Osmond...
'You have Van Goughs ear for music!'
'Gee, thanks !'
'You have Van Goughs ear for music!'
'Gee, thanks !'
There is only liquidity when paper races are on, or televised the follwing day. Ive tried a few times to name and shame bookies, but to no avail, its a closed shop. The people who your complaining too, are the ones who can get on, so they aren't going to say owt. I know its being worked on though
The club
Any idea why the bookies sponsor at the racesthe racing post is full of there ads
Any idea why the bookies sponsor at the races
the racing post is full of there ads
Why bother posting on this forum to idiots as it offers nothing in return except insult after insult.
No need for me to post any more as educating thick people who have limited knowledge is best left to special care assistants as they deal with them quite successfully .
No need for me to post any more as educating thick people who have limited knowledge is best left to special care assistants as they deal with them quite successfully .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljC5m0XJF_U
This Youtube videos sums it up...too many people at the top of racing are getting back handers for sponsorship deals, which means a major bookie can put up a few races for £50 prize money and take millions from the punters who bet on it and take the money off-shore...
This Youtube videos sums it up...too many people at the top of racing are getting back handers for sponsorship deals, which means a major bookie can put up a few races for £50 prize money and take millions from the punters who bet on it and take the money off-shore...
Hey Homme...
as long as you can keep ''furnishing'' David !
as long as you can keep ''furnishing'' David !
phoenix
why dont you tell everyone something they dont know?
the games been like this for donkeys years
Bookmakers do not want anyone that win
They dont want anyone thats got a clue
If you take prices that shorten your history
They are very happy to accommodate serial losers...it should have been addressed many moons ago by regulators but never was...accept it and use your initiative.
why dont you tell everyone something they dont know?
the games been like this for donkeys years
Bookmakers do not want anyone that win
They dont want anyone thats got a clue
If you take prices that shorten your history
They are very happy to accommodate serial losers...it should have been addressed many moons ago by regulators but never was...accept it and use your initiative.
PAULINE WALLNUTS:
"If you win here you pay premium charge.....it couldnt be simpler....if you are allowed bet here without paying the winners tax.....then you are a loser....."
WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOITE
"If you win here you pay premium charge.....it couldnt be simpler....if you are allowed bet here without paying the winners tax.....then you are a loser....."
WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER SHOITE
The worst thing is that the alleged "Bookmakers" will effectively ban anyone that does not lose at the required rate..
In simple English you will be banned if you only lose a little..
I think that Ladbrokes will have to address their maxbet £0.00 very soon..
In simple English you will be banned if you only lose a little..
I think that Ladbrokes will have to address their maxbet £0.00 very soon..
PAULINE WALLNUTS:
"If you win here you pay premium charge.....it couldnt be simpler....if you are allowed bet here without paying the winners tax.....then you are a loser....."
Broadsword...how is this shoite please?
"If you win here you pay premium charge.....it couldnt be simpler....if you are allowed bet here without paying the winners tax.....then you are a loser....."
Broadsword...how is this shoite please?
SIMPLY because you can win on here and not pay the PC
thats correct..until you win £5000 or you constantly open fresh accounts.
well been on here 12yr and yet to meet anyone who's won more than £5,000 and not paying PC...
if you use the exchange... once you play 250 markets or achieve £1,000 allowance (or win 5k) you pay 20% PC until you reach £250,000 then its 40-60%...
so please inform me the way you play makes any difference
so please inform me the way you play makes any difference
if you have won 250k net
but paid 100k commission to win that 250k , you won't pay PC , so long as you consistently generate 40% commission of your winnings is my understanding of it.
difficult , but some people play in a way that generates alot of commission .
but paid 100k commission to win that 250k , you won't pay PC , so long as you consistently generate 40% commission of your winnings is my understanding of it.
difficult , but some people play in a way that generates alot of commission .
Total Charges % 45.46
good runs and bad runs...i had a 2 year period on hear a few years ago where i made zilch ...but had won plenty and lost plenty
i still have 5.46 before i hit the 40%
good runs and bad runs...i had a 2 year period on hear a few years ago where i made zilch ...but had won plenty and lost plenty
i still have 5.46 before i hit the 40%
i mean at this time...
so...if im on 40% and pay pc every week but then do 20k in and go back on 45%..that entitles me to say im not paying it?
so...if im on 40% and pay pc every week but then do 20k in and go back on 45%..that entitles me to say im not paying it?
and how many people who win £5,000 a week are gona pay £2,000 commission?
to the op.
if you want the early price all you have to do is pm me .
I will get you on for sure .
Well up to 500k.
No crap talk involved here or fairyland punters so if you are serious you now know who to contact.
if you want the early price all you have to do is pm me .
I will get you on for sure .
Well up to 500k.
No crap talk involved here or fairyland punters so if you are serious you now know who to contact.
As stated I know the correct people and if you cannot get matched I can facilitate .
Try it as the worst thing that can happen is you dont get on an for sure that will not happen.
there is some gob****s on here like,what a diick,I know the right people !
Broadsword.....another in a long line of punters in denial....its a fairly common fault with most.....nobody wants to be seen to be a fool......the bottom line is if you are allowed bet with b ookies you are a loser....if you are allowed bet with betfair you are a loser.....
And broadsword you my friend are both a fool and a loser.....
And broadsword you my friend are both a fool and a loser.....
Look the offer is there for anybody .
As have no interest in today's card wont be around but will check later .
gl.
As have no interest in today's card wont be around but will check later .
gl.
c'mon theonlywayforward, I've been involved in the illegals for a long time and can get people on to some quite serious amounts at morning prices if they are fish and it is singles only. At no point would I assume half a mill doable,getting paid in cash thats a lot of target signs on your head,back or whatever part of you can be torn,pierced,battered and shredded.
If you're Asian and get on in their in house gambling then undoubtedly they will lay huge amounts that dwarf the western man,I think the fish condition still applies across the cultures. Such layers will play against somebody punting regularly,they won't take kindly to shrewdies popping in getting on a huge successful wager and closing the door behind them with a kindly thank you ( leaving the badmen feeling abused and that they've been left with their trousers around their ankles )
If you're Asian and get on in their in house gambling then undoubtedly they will lay huge amounts that dwarf the western man,I think the fish condition still applies across the cultures. Such layers will play against somebody punting regularly,they won't take kindly to shrewdies popping in getting on a huge successful wager and closing the door behind them with a kindly thank you ( leaving the badmen feeling abused and that they've been left with their trousers around their ankles )
paulie wallnuts 22 Mar 15 08:59
Broadsword.....another in a long line of punters in denial....its a fairly common fault with most.....nobody wants to be seen to be a fool......the bottom line is if you are allowed bet with b ookies you are a loser....if you are allowed bet with betfair you are a loser.....
wrong paulie..i bet with bf and a big winner....ive no choice but to pay PC.
Broadsword.....another in a long line of punters in denial....its a fairly common fault with most.....nobody wants to be seen to be a fool......the bottom line is if you are allowed bet with b ookies you are a loser....if you are allowed bet with betfair you are a loser.....
wrong paulie..i bet with bf and a big winner....ive no choice but to pay PC.
Roida....i am talking about people betting pre race....not in running stuff.....i dont know anyone who could play pre race and pay PC.....
as i said it depends how you play....i bet inplay 95% of the time
so your paying more than 40% commission every week? utter bollox
yes wallnuts...as i said..only people who use bf are in runners and serial losing accounts
Last Week09/03/15 - 15/03/15
Gross PL £ 9,526.55
Commission Generated £ 557.50 +
Other Charges £ 0.00 +
Total Charges £ 557.50
Total Charges % 5.85
Max possible Premium Charge £ 3,253.12
Premium Charge [pre-allowance] £ 0.00
Available allowance £ 0.00
Premium Charge Applied £ 0.00
Remaining allowance £ 0.00
NO ROIDA ITS YOU WHO'S TALKING UTTER BOLLOX
Gross PL £ 9,526.55
Commission Generated £ 557.50 +
Other Charges £ 0.00 +
Total Charges £ 557.50
Total Charges % 5.85
Max possible Premium Charge £ 3,253.12
Premium Charge [pre-allowance] £ 0.00
Available allowance £ 0.00
Premium Charge Applied £ 0.00
Remaining allowance £ 0.00
NO ROIDA ITS YOU WHO'S TALKING UTTER BOLLOX
so you win £9,526 and your charges are £557 and yet your not paying PC
simple...you are over 40% through a losing run and you're being allowed to catch up
simple...you are over 40% through a losing run and you're being allowed to catch up
broadsword im well aware how it works...i can pay £3,000 a week PC charge but if i then lose £20,000 im then allowed to win that amount before i return to paying PC
that then dont give the right to say im winning and not paying
that then dont give the right to say im winning and not paying
my total charges have been between 45% and 55% for years now ...and i estimate i could win another 100k without paying the pc (and thats without taking ANY losses...which obviously isnt going to happen)
PABLOS post was correct
PABLOS post was correct
so hows your commission charge suddenly went from 45-55% to 5.85% ?
its the overall commission that youve paid that counts....and if your well over 40 .... then you pay no pc
5.85% is low for me...it was a good week
5.85% is low for me...it was a good week
roida you are on a number threads having a go at people.you seem a very bitter and twisted ignoramus.
To the op.
Or really should refer to you as a clown .As this is not a circus.
What sort of rubbish is that reply ?
Refer you to your opining post which is the basis of this tread and you get offered what you want but start bull talking.
We know all about you as there is no substance .
My advice .Simple keep to your £2 bets
Furthermore offer withdrawn.
Clown.
Or really should refer to you as a clown .As this is not a circus.
What sort of rubbish is that reply ?
Refer you to your opining post which is the basis of this tread and you get offered what you want but start bull talking.
We know all about you as there is no substance .
My advice .Simple keep to your £2 bets
Furthermore offer withdrawn.
Clown.
As for the asian racist slur .Well just shows your lack of knowledge as you are incapable of reading but for sure I have nothing against them.Presonally like them as most are honest which is clearly not the case with you.
Thus offer Withdrawn.
Thus offer Withdrawn.
To roida/broadword.
Yes have tried in running but cant do it unfortunately.
Am track side most days during the flat and would be a great advantage but tried it a few times and failed because I am colour-blind.
It is not a problem normally as you only get mixed up with red green and brown.
However unless they are wearing yellow or blue I get them mixed up so gave that up pretty quickly.
Honestly.
Yes have tried in running but cant do it unfortunately.
Am track side most days during the flat and would be a great advantage but tried it a few times and failed because I am colour-blind.
It is not a problem normally as you only get mixed up with red green and brown.
However unless they are wearing yellow or blue I get them mixed up so gave that up pretty quickly.
Honestly.
The truth one day laid the winner to a cost of 12k and only that i was there that day would have sworn it was it.
Costly mistake and have a vivid memories of it so never again for me .But there are other ways for sure.
Costly mistake and have a vivid memories of it so never again for me .But there are other ways for sure.
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