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Come racing, the great Geoff Banks tell us. And I would, Geoff, if bookmakers such as your good self actually provided better prices than those which I can obtain from the comfort of my own living room.
Geoff, I refer you to last Tuesday and Friday at Cheltenham. I visited your pitch prior to every race bar two. On almost every occasion your prices on my fancies - some favourites, some outsiders - were inferior to those at a certain High Street bookie, who had a stand just a few metres away from you. And unlike you, they offered plenty of concessions, particularly with offers to pay out on an extra place in certain races. As a result of which it was a no-brainer as to who took my hard-earned cash.
It's all well and good spouting about High St bookies offering false money-back offers, as I notice you have done during the Festival via Twitter, but what do you and other independents offer, Geoff, to entice ordinary folk like me to bet with you?
I can actually answer that, as I notice you offer refunds on, say, 2-2 draws in football matches - which is just laughable. But fair play to you, at least you add five per cent to every deposit on your (terrible to browse) website.
Instead of spouting your rubbish on Channel Four's Morning Line and believing you are some sort of Jeremy Paxman for rubbing up Ruby Walsh the wrong way - and that's for another post on another day - why not take on the High St firms by beating their prices? Isn't that what your old man did, offering something different?
Once I've paid for transport, entry to a racecourse and food and booze, I want some value. Sadly, I may as well stick with betting exchanges and punting at home.
I took the opportunity of opening an account with you weeks before the Festival after I had been quoted a price for a certain horse I fancied.
When I opened the account, one of your footmen then offered me a shorter price than the one I had been quoted just hours previously! And I would be amazed if anyone had backed that same horse with you as an explanation for the price drop.
Oh, and great job by hiring the ex-Page 3 model to work on your pitch at Cheltenham.
She accidentally put an extra £20 on my stake on the one bet I did place with you, an 8-1 winner.
Finally, no doubt I won't be able to get a decent bet on at the same High St bookie that was near Banks's pitch until Aintree!
Geoff, I refer you to last Tuesday and Friday at Cheltenham. I visited your pitch prior to every race bar two. On almost every occasion your prices on my fancies - some favourites, some outsiders - were inferior to those at a certain High Street bookie, who had a stand just a few metres away from you. And unlike you, they offered plenty of concessions, particularly with offers to pay out on an extra place in certain races. As a result of which it was a no-brainer as to who took my hard-earned cash.
It's all well and good spouting about High St bookies offering false money-back offers, as I notice you have done during the Festival via Twitter, but what do you and other independents offer, Geoff, to entice ordinary folk like me to bet with you?
I can actually answer that, as I notice you offer refunds on, say, 2-2 draws in football matches - which is just laughable. But fair play to you, at least you add five per cent to every deposit on your (terrible to browse) website.
Instead of spouting your rubbish on Channel Four's Morning Line and believing you are some sort of Jeremy Paxman for rubbing up Ruby Walsh the wrong way - and that's for another post on another day - why not take on the High St firms by beating their prices? Isn't that what your old man did, offering something different?
Once I've paid for transport, entry to a racecourse and food and booze, I want some value. Sadly, I may as well stick with betting exchanges and punting at home.
I took the opportunity of opening an account with you weeks before the Festival after I had been quoted a price for a certain horse I fancied.
When I opened the account, one of your footmen then offered me a shorter price than the one I had been quoted just hours previously! And I would be amazed if anyone had backed that same horse with you as an explanation for the price drop.
Oh, and great job by hiring the ex-Page 3 model to work on your pitch at Cheltenham.
She accidentally put an extra £20 on my stake on the one bet I did place with you, an 8-1 winner.
Finally, no doubt I won't be able to get a decent bet on at the same High St bookie that was near Banks's pitch until Aintree!
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Geoff, sorry I haven't replied any sooner but I've been busy all day.
Having said that, I guess the evening is the best time to contact you because you spend most of your nights at home with just your best pal as company ..... What's her name? Champagne or Chardonnay?
I did a google search on your father, the 'legend', John Banks.
It appears he was warned off racecourses for three years. Really? What happened? Do let us know, the floor is yours......
I hope he wasn't a naughty boy.
Tell you what I'll do....next time you get your roots done, I'll pay for them. Actually, I've changed my mind.
Unlike your father, there's very little of note which comes up when one googles Geoff Banks. You are a very average bookmaker and, yes, your prices are rubbish.
Having said that, I guess the evening is the best time to contact you because you spend most of your nights at home with just your best pal as company ..... What's her name? Champagne or Chardonnay?
I did a google search on your father, the 'legend', John Banks.
It appears he was warned off racecourses for three years. Really? What happened? Do let us know, the floor is yours......
I hope he wasn't a naughty boy.
Tell you what I'll do....next time you get your roots done, I'll pay for them. Actually, I've changed my mind.
Unlike your father, there's very little of note which comes up when one googles Geoff Banks. You are a very average bookmaker and, yes, your prices are rubbish.
NGU - an extra £20 on his stake of an 8/1 winner is a return of £180, not an extra £20 on his return.
ThePin - are you going to actually pay it back, seeing as it will now be going to charity?
ThePin - are you going to actually pay it back, seeing as it will now be going to charity?
Magic__Daps • March 22, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
NGU - an extra £20 on his stake of an 8/1 winner is a return of £180, not an extra £20 on his return.
ThePin - are you going to actually pay it back, seeing as it will now be going to charity?
but the bag is only £20 short
and if they horse was beat it would be still £20 short
NGU - an extra £20 on his stake of an 8/1 winner is a return of £180, not an extra £20 on his return.
ThePin - are you going to actually pay it back, seeing as it will now be going to charity?
but the bag is only £20 short
and if they horse was beat it would be still £20 short
NGU - it was an 8/1 winner so was paid out with an extra 20 on his stake (according to first post).
Magic__Daps • March 22, 2015 8:45 PM GMT
NGU - it was an 8/1 winner so was paid out with an extra 20 on his stake (according to first post).
yeah,all i, saying is the bag is £20 short not £180
NGU - it was an 8/1 winner so was paid out with an extra 20 on his stake (according to first post).
yeah,all i, saying is the bag is £20 short not £180
NGU - if he had 20 quid on at 8/1 and the bird stuck an extra 20 on making it 40 how much would he get paid?
Magic__Daps • March 22, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
NGU - if he had 20 quid on at 8/1 and the bird stuck an extra 20 on making it 40 how much would he get paid?
it doesnt matter how much he got md,the bag will be showing as £20 short
NGU - if he had 20 quid on at 8/1 and the bird stuck an extra 20 on making it 40 how much would he get paid?
it doesnt matter how much he got md,the bag will be showing as £20 short
ngu, good evening .
Surely it's £180 short after Brandys rick ?....
Surely it's £180 short after Brandys rick ?....
this thread should be closed for new replies as it dangerously developed into personal attacks. Its easy to hide under an internet alias when slandering a public figure.
NGU - was your first answer wrong and now you are hoping we have fell for a fishing trip now?
halcyon days • March 22, 2015 9:05 PM GMT
ngu, good evening .
Surely it's £180 short after Brandys rick ?....
nope,it will be showing as £20 short.....................
he had a £20 bet that was stamped for £40.....................doesnt matter what price the horse won at,at the end of the day the bag will be showing £20 short
ngu, good evening .
Surely it's £180 short after Brandys rick ?....
nope,it will be showing as £20 short.....................
he had a £20 bet that was stamped for £40.....................doesnt matter what price the horse won at,at the end of the day the bag will be showing £20 short
Magic__Daps • March 22, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
NGU - was your first answer wrong and now you are hoping we have fell for a fishing trip now?
definitely not fishing md
NGU - was your first answer wrong and now you are hoping we have fell for a fishing trip now?
definitely not fishing md
Ok - I get what you are saying but he still had him over for £180, not £20
Magic__Daps • March 22, 2015 9:14 PM GMT
Ok - I get what you are saying but he still had him over for £180, not £20
yeah,but a few earlier on the thread were saying the girl would get sacked for the bag being £180 short when it would be £20 short
Ok - I get what you are saying but he still had him over for £180, not £20
yeah,but a few earlier on the thread were saying the girl would get sacked for the bag being £180 short when it would be £20 short
I see what your're saying NGU, and you are correct.
But Banksy is £180 down because of it.
But Banksy is £180 down because of it.
I did a google search on your father
What kind of pathetic creature does that in order to pursue a vendetta against a former employer (or whatever else sparked the OP's sense of grievance)? This forum does attract some wierdos but the malicious communications of the OP take the biscuit.
What kind of pathetic creature does that in order to pursue a vendetta against a former employer (or whatever else sparked the OP's sense of grievance)? This forum does attract some wierdos but the malicious communications of the OP take the biscuit.
quickly turned ugly this thread...couldnt agree more with Rydal in his summary...
Rydal 100% agree - if it indeed gets personal like this instance, the OP should put his actual name up on here rather than hiding himself. It's 1.001 that Banks knows him and that's probably value!
I'm pleased it is not just me that thinks the pin's comments are out of order. Geoff has come on here to defend himself yet we don't know who you (the pin)are.
why should the pin be any different to the other 99% anonymous posters
exactly he wouldn't be any different, thats why this thread should be closed as it has already gone too far with the personal attacks.
Well said Rydal.
barry dennis
Never forget you laying "bottle" Istabraq with no field book on the top rails pitch in 2002, pulled up just past the stands.
Fair play Sir!
barry dennis
Never forget you laying "bottle" Istabraq with no field book on the top rails pitch in 2002, pulled up just past the stands.
Fair play Sir!
I`m not a race-goer, nor do I watch Morning Line, so I`ve no knowledge of Mr Banks. No matter, I just felt compelled to add my voice to the `pin is well out of order` camp. He`s clearly lost this battle but, even if he was winning, there`s no morality in winning unfair fights, such as this one, with anonymity on one side. Quite despicable, in fact.
After unnecessary personal comments from The Pin all I can say is: Je suis Banksie.
In my experience- most bookmakers and punters battle each other with honour and a sense of fair play. I battled for standard place terms on racetracks in the face of stiff opposition from a few on course traders who felt they should be able to trade in any way they pleased.
Many sensible firms supported the move - in favour of punters
I now want bookies to offer a lay to lose minimum of £100 on any price or offer - that's in cash.
Many will have no issue with this - I think the on course should lead the off track bookies and force change
I think many punters and traders on here still hold a sense of fair play.
Not this Pin character. You are Sir, the worst type of low life. You smear an honest girl doing her best to serve you quickly with your allegations, probably untrue, and you appear proud of yourself for stealing £180 - and you think people on here should support you?
I am Geoff Banks. Let's see you return the money and we'll pop it to cancer research - do something useful with your miserable life rather than hang about my joint smiling and acting all friendly with me and my staff and then coming on here anonymously with your filth
Many sensible firms supported the move - in favour of punters
I now want bookies to offer a lay to lose minimum of £100 on any price or offer - that's in cash.
Many will have no issue with this - I think the on course should lead the off track bookies and force change
I think many punters and traders on here still hold a sense of fair play.
Not this Pin character. You are Sir, the worst type of low life. You smear an honest girl doing her best to serve you quickly with your allegations, probably untrue, and you appear proud of yourself for stealing £180 - and you think people on here should support you?
I am Geoff Banks. Let's see you return the money and we'll pop it to cancer research - do something useful with your miserable life rather than hang about my joint smiling and acting all friendly with me and my staff and then coming on here anonymously with your filth
'I am Geoff Banks'. Blimey, someone has a huge ego. Anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has severe issues. I knew you'd take the bait and return here. You can't help yourself. And thanks for explaining what your old man got up to. No doubt you severely reprimanded him. I will see you at Aintree, G. Hopefully, the model will be employed again.i will wear a rose so you can shake my hand. As for being the worst type of lowlife, look in the mirror. Look at your dad.
ThePin, good morning .
Do you believe this is the right ''platform'' to vent your spleen ! ?....
Do you believe this is the right ''platform'' to vent your spleen ! ?....
geoff , can you clarify this please :
"I now want bookies to offer a lay to lose minimum of £100 on any price or offer - that's in cash"
is there 1 or 2 zeros missing from that sentence ?
"I now want bookies to offer a lay to lose minimum of £100 on any price or offer - that's in cash"
is there 1 or 2 zeros missing from that sentence ?
over the years betfair have banned decent posters from this forum for very little other decent posters have left due to some of the vicious posts made by just a few.yet on this occasion betfair seem happy to allow this character to have a free reign from what I have read he is capable of coming out with anything.
sportsadvisor
you should request this thread to be taken down.
sportsadvisor
you should request this thread to be taken down.
ThePin
Date Joined: 17 Mar 15
Add contact | Send message 24 Mar 15 09:12
'I am Geoff Banks'. Blimey, someone has a huge ego. Anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has severe issues
Are you a bit simple ThePin? It seemed to me that he was pointing out that he is not anonymous, yet you will not let anyone know who you are and can say whatever sh1te pleases you. At least have the decency and give the money to a cancer charity.
Date Joined: 17 Mar 15
Add contact | Send message 24 Mar 15 09:12
'I am Geoff Banks'. Blimey, someone has a huge ego. Anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has severe issues
Are you a bit simple ThePin? It seemed to me that he was pointing out that he is not anonymous, yet you will not let anyone know who you are and can say whatever sh1te pleases you. At least have the decency and give the money to a cancer charity.
Does anyone remember the 'wrestling' that used to be on ITV sport in the 70s and 80s? There was a comedy character called Kendo Nagasaki who everybody wanted to see unmasked.
Step forward The Pin........
Step forward The Pin........
Geoff
It may be worth getting your solicitor to speak to Betfair about this. Taken together, the quantity and content of the posts, along with the the implied threat to stalk your staff at a future event, may constitute a case for action (perhaps under the Malicious Communications Act?). If the individual has form in this area already (and this type rarely stops at one target), it will improve the prospects of action. Good luck.
It may be worth getting your solicitor to speak to Betfair about this. Taken together, the quantity and content of the posts, along with the the implied threat to stalk your staff at a future event, may constitute a case for action (perhaps under the Malicious Communications Act?). If the individual has form in this area already (and this type rarely stops at one target), it will improve the prospects of action. Good luck.
According to the racing post the other day Geoffs solicitor is being kept fairly busy these days....
THE PIN,"SINGLE MAN,REVEAL YOURSELF" GEOFF,"NO LIKEY,NO LIGHTY" 
Agree totally with foxy - apart from the 'g' in rein !! Tut tut.
as the pin said earlier democrat I am the thickest person on this forum I put it down to spending most of my school days watching racing.
foxy, I think at some point in the past you haven't given the pin the fractions, and he got the hump with you too ... 
delta I was going to say I would be surprised if the pin knew what fractions were but as I feel he is involved in the game he probably does know.
Maybe some of you lot should price up likely suspects?
Writing in third person is writing from the third person point of view and uses pronouns like he, she, it, or they. It differs from the first person, which uses pronouns such as I and me, and from the second person, which uses pronouns such as you and yours.
Just thought that the pin needs a basic lesson in English grammar.
HTH
Just thought that the pin needs a basic lesson in English grammar.
HTH
^ Correct. My sincere apologies. Now if only some people in here would reveal their true identities. Oh, the irony.....
You'll be telling us about tenses soon loper - present, future and past not to mention the perfect, pluperfect etc.
Don't even get him started on the past participle! Congratulations though Loper, there's far too much poor grammar on this forum.
Past participles are used for all perfect tense forms of a verb and in the passive voice in English.
For regular verbs, it's normal to add ED to form its past participle. Unfortunately for irregular verbs there are no rules and it is just a matter of practice.
For regular verbs, it's normal to add ED to form its past participle. Unfortunately for irregular verbs there are no rules and it is just a matter of practice.
Whatever you think of some of the posters on this thread 'the pin' has failed in whatever he was trying to do. I think the word failure is not the only one word that could be used for the OP, a very sad thread indeed.
I don't believe we will see any other threads created by the OP other than to slate GB.
I don't believe we will see any other threads created by the OP other than to slate GB.
Original Poster thought hed come along looking like a right clever tw@t and full marks to him he achieved everything bar the clever
I don't mind him that much because he's infinitely less-likeable than me.
I suspect The Pin's username relates to the size (or lack thereof) of his member as he seems to exhibit most, if not all, the symptoms associated with small penis syndrome.
maybe the pin is ruby walsh,the pins gone to far bringing banksy,s father into it but banksy seems ok with him using his spot as a bookmaker on the morning line to have cheap shots at walsh,using walsh to inflate his already biggish ego,just for balance
Homefortea......what a knobbend you are.....whats his father got to do with anything.....
Whatever he did is ancient ancient history and has nothing to do with Banks jr.....
Whatever he did is ancient ancient history and has nothing to do with Banks jr.....
Homefortea......what a knobbend you are.....whats his father got to do with anything.....
Whatever he did is ancient ancient history and has nothing to do with Banks jr.....
Whatever he did is ancient ancient history and has nothing to do with Banks jr.....
Ya and keep resting it you complete imbecile you....
pablo-fanque
24 Mar 15 09.31
I think the time has come with untennable 'offers' and 'price boost' cultures to ask big betting to do what small betting takes for granted. To lay every customer a bet to lose just £100
£100 is the value of a spin on a FOBT. It's a reasonable figure to lay a customer. Although most people on here know I accept more risk from my customers- or I get rid of. In other words if I don't feel I should lay a particular customer I will politely desist from doing business with him/her - rather than offer a 30p bet
If all firms knew they would have to lay everyone £100 in real money - not free bets - they would perhaps take a different view on some offers or prices.
i.e Sprintre Sacre 1/3 in a race- we go evens - every customer should be able to back that offer to £100. Would you make the offer then? Or would you perhaps go 1/2?
We have to introduce a bit of common sense to the market and fair play.
24 Mar 15 09.31
I think the time has come with untennable 'offers' and 'price boost' cultures to ask big betting to do what small betting takes for granted. To lay every customer a bet to lose just £100
£100 is the value of a spin on a FOBT. It's a reasonable figure to lay a customer. Although most people on here know I accept more risk from my customers- or I get rid of. In other words if I don't feel I should lay a particular customer I will politely desist from doing business with him/her - rather than offer a 30p bet
If all firms knew they would have to lay everyone £100 in real money - not free bets - they would perhaps take a different view on some offers or prices.
i.e Sprintre Sacre 1/3 in a race- we go evens - every customer should be able to back that offer to £100. Would you make the offer then? Or would you perhaps go 1/2?
We have to introduce a bit of common sense to the market and fair play.
you're nothing more than a common garden thief.
Sorry to be pedantic but it's common OR garden thief. A common garden thief would be a person stealing gardens.
Sorry to be pedantic but it's common OR garden thief. A common garden thief would be a person stealing gardens.
I just wonder if the school ciggy sellers or drug dealers are aware that some children are given £100 as their school dinner money
that some children are given £100 as their school dinner money
only those who are homefortea
only those who are homefortea
geoff , it shows you what a sorry state betting is in if you would like to see every bookmaker guarantee a measly £100 payout , £100 
should be £500 at the very least
i don't think you can equate it to what happens on an fobt either . they are 2 separate forms of betting . one of which the bookmakers always wins in the long run no matter who plays , the other not quite so much in the bookmakers favour , hence the refusal of bets from certain players/punters
should be £500 at the very least
i don't think you can equate it to what happens on an fobt either . they are 2 separate forms of betting . one of which the bookmakers always wins in the long run no matter who plays , the other not quite so much in the bookmakers favour , hence the refusal of bets from certain players/punters
I now want bookies to offer a lay to lose minimum of £100 on any price or offer - that's in cash
reads like payout to me gills , i can't see bookies wanting to take £100 on a 50/1 compared to an even money horse
reads like payout to me gills , i can't see bookies wanting to take £100 on a 50/1 compared to an even money horse
I did mean lay to lose £100. I fully appreciate this is lower than many would hope - but it has to take into consideration such as an even money chance offer- even the likes of paddy power would reconsider some of their 'money back ' schemes if it were to cost them real cash
Look out for my ASA complaint about such offers - could be interesting
Look out for my ASA complaint about such offers - could be interesting
why is there no restrictions on how much you lay to lose on fobts ?
sports........william hill cant lose offer in the supreme was actually a free bet on their race that afternoon.......the hardest race on the card
Ere Geoff
£100 to £2 the rag.
What do you mean - you've done it.
To who - the magic sign
Alright £100 to £3 it is.
What do you say - its for cash.
I thought I was a back of the book client.
£100 to £2 the rag.
What do you mean - you've done it.
To who - the magic sign
Alright £100 to £3 it is.
What do you say - its for cash.
I thought I was a back of the book client.
Francome should have been warned off years ago after I went to his Swindon Chip Shop..
SPORTS,AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE ONE OF THE FEW GOOD THINGS THE OLD NATIONAL JOINT PITCH COUNCIL DID WAS TO INTRODUCE MAXIMUM LIABILITY SIGNS FOR ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS,STRAIGHT AWAY ANY PUNTER COULD SEE WHO THE FIDDLERS WERE AND WHO WOULD LAY A BET,WHY AND HOW THE USELESS GAMBLING COMMISSION HAVNT BROUGHT IN A BLUFFERS CHARTER FOR THE OFF COURSE BOYS,GOD ONLY KNOWS. MOST OF THE major ONLINE FIRMS RING THE POLICE IF CONFRONTED WITH ANYTHING OVER £50,AS FOR LAYING HORSES TO LOSE £100 THAT SERVICE IS FREELY AVAILABLE IN ANY OF MY LOCAL PUBS!
As for overrounds and so forth, fine I totally accept an average of 2% is about what I work to. There are two principle reasons for this- anf this isn't aimed at the idiot who started this thread because if I announced I bet overbroke all the time- he would find fault.
I understand book percentages and how to convert prices so that you can total up and see how much the overround is. But I've seen a few comments along the lines of ' I bet to 2% a runner ... ' which I don't completely understand
does this mean that for a 10 runner race your prices would add up to a 120% book, 9 runner race - 118% book etc
or am I on the wrong track?
I understand book percentages and how to convert prices so that you can total up and see how much the overround is. But I've seen a few comments along the lines of ' I bet to 2% a runner ... ' which I don't completely understand
does this mean that for a 10 runner race your prices would add up to a 120% book, 9 runner race - 118% book etc
or am I on the wrong track?
CORRECT SWIFT,UNLESS YOUR IN ONE OF THE 150K PLUS PITCHES AT THE CHELTENHAM FEATIVAL WERE 3% A RUNNER IS THE NORM,THEY JUST LOVE THOSE 30+ RUNNER RACES
Homme, good evening .
John Banks was not the only bookmaker paying for ''inside information !''
You know full well that is was ( and probably still is ) customer practice ! Victor Chandler springs to mind, and Cyril was too shrewd not to have.....
John Banks was not the only bookmaker paying for ''inside information !''
You know full well that is was ( and probably still is ) customer practice ! Victor Chandler springs to mind, and Cyril was too shrewd not to have.....
There is paying for inside information and paying for inside information...
If by paying for inside information you actively "stop" a horse that may be different than someone saying that this horse will not be at its best today..
I would doubt however in these days of automated trading that any alleged UK "Bookmakers" have anyone that would even know what a horse even looked like..
They are just numbers and ban anyone that does not meet the required losing percentage...
If by paying for inside information you actively "stop" a horse that may be different than someone saying that this horse will not be at its best today..
I would doubt however in these days of automated trading that any alleged UK "Bookmakers" have anyone that would even know what a horse even looked like..
They are just numbers and ban anyone that does not meet the required losing percentage...
Johnny Francome gave John Banks ( for money) information on the type of ground certain Fred Winter horse's would act on.... he laid them accordingly, took all the dough in the ring... I would class that as inside information !
ThePin, good evening .
What name do you trade under ?...
What name do you trade under ?...
homefortea
I also very much doubt they would even know what a horse looked like.
I also very much doubt they would even know what a horse looked like.
The Pin
Brandy sayed she will be at Aintree today and will you be attending to oggle again iyo!
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Brandy sayed she will be at Aintree today and will you be attending to oggle again iyo!
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Formerly known as... @Brandy_Brewer · 12h 12 hours ago
I shall be keeping it classy tomor @grandnational have no fear of that! #bestdressed #ladiesday
I shall be keeping it classy tomor @grandnational have no fear of that! #bestdressed #ladiesday
^ Er, yep. Today's the day. 4.40 Roi De Francs. See you later, Geoff (and Brandy).
Lol. I was going to put class , then thought crass was better.
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