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I don't really buy the story about thousands of accumulators coming unstuck on Annie Power
if the cumulative weight of small money accas is being talked about, would the typical small money acca not be going for bigger prices than those 4 on day 1?
turning to singles, the results don't look like brilliant results for the bookie (to a layman that is), several winners near the top of the card
would be interested in reports
if the cumulative weight of small money accas is being talked about, would the typical small money acca not be going for bigger prices than those 4 on day 1?
turning to singles, the results don't look like brilliant results for the bookie (to a layman that is), several winners near the top of the card
would be interested in reports
people always go on about how much the bookies have lost etc,
always omitting to add that they are only paying out with other people's money
always omitting to add that they are only paying out with other people's money
90% OF THE RINGS AT CHELTENHAM ARE FILLED WITH COMMISSION AGENTS,THE LAYERS WOULD HAVE LOST WITH THE RIDICULOUS EXPENSES,HOPE THIS HELPS!
HEARD A CLASSIC ON THE FIRST DAY FROM ONE OF BRITAINS LEADING COMMISSION AGENTS"I WOULD HAVE WON MORE IF ANNIE POWER HADNT OF FALLEN"
U COULDNT MAKE IT UP
U COULDNT MAKE IT UP
interesting factmachine
suspected as much
so a whole industry is being kept afloat by virtue of the fact that some don't know how to use the exchange
suspected as much
so a whole industry is being kept afloat by virtue of the fact that some don't know how to use the exchange
when gleesson on ch 4 was showing us the bookies book winners and losers what i couldnt get my head around was in the jlt,
pit zig was a huge drifter 3,s to 5,s but was a bigger loser in the book than the supposedly better backed 2nd fav [ whoose name ive forgot] how does that work,surely a bookie lengthens a horse because he aint taking any money on it
pit zig was a huge drifter 3,s to 5,s but was a bigger loser in the book than the supposedly better backed 2nd fav [ whoose name ive forgot] how does that work,surely a bookie lengthens a horse because he aint taking any money on it
IT WORKS SOMETHING LIKE THIS**** HERE COMES TANYA,PUT SOMETHING IN THE BOOK QUICK
FACT!
FACT!
First time if the bookie was betting without an opinion the last two things he would have done on bet fair would be to lay the second fav and back the drifter back.some horses are over backed when they drift and horses that shorten can be hard to lay cos the punter thinks he's missed the price.by laying the 2nd fav and backing the drifter he should hold more money if he gets a result.i don't know who you are first time and if this is a bit basic I apologise just trying to help.
FIRST TIME,I DONT KNOW WHO THE BOOKMAKER IN QUESTION WAS ON TV BUT IF IT WAS A FRONT LINE ONE WHICH I STRONGLY SUSPECT IT WAS THEN IN REALITY THE LIKELEYHOOD IS THERE WOULDNT BE A LOSER IN THE BOOK,REGIT BEING A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THIS PRACTICE!
rightly or wrongly i didnt automaticaly assume it was an exchange screen,i thought it was some bookmakers software that reflected bets they,d struck in the ring
gleeson was to busy going around inventing imaginary bets that hadnt been struck 20grand ew on this 10 ew 4 times on that 100 grand on this etc,to find time and explain b ets that had been struck
That screen was the bookmakers book.it tells you exactly how much each horse wins and loses.what you have to remember is that wasn't on the off.fact is right on the off they could have all been winners obviously for a lot less.fact is obsessed with other people's business why I have no idea.
NOW LAST YEAR THE BOOKS (IE THE LAYERS) HAD ONE OF THE BEST CHELTENHAMS EVER
,ONE OF THE COMMISSION AGENTS ON THE RAILS WON 4.5K AFTER GREENING UP ON EVERY RACE,WHEN HE HAD PAID THE STAFF,THE BADGE,THE ENTRANCE,THE DIGS,THE FUEL,AND FOOD,THE STAFF GOT MORE WAGES THAN HIM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF STACKING SHELVES AT ASDA
,ONE OF THE COMMISSION AGENTS ON THE RAILS WON 4.5K AFTER GREENING UP ON EVERY RACE,WHEN HE HAD PAID THE STAFF,THE BADGE,THE ENTRANCE,THE DIGS,THE FUEL,AND FOOD,THE STAFF GOT MORE WAGES THAN HIM HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF STACKING SHELVES AT ASDA
THIS YEAR HE DECIDED TO BE BOLD AND STAND EVERY JOLLY FOR A MONKEY,AFTER THE FIRST DAY THE SCREAMS WERE UNMERCIFUL
Fact it's the non stop negativity.why does it matter what that bookmaker does.as regards the bets struck I'm sure some are exaggerated and the bigger genuine ones are account bets but it helps to push an industry that needs a push.im out of it from a financial point of view but your living depends on it .your average punter would have been interested to see a book and to hear about the bets struck.
REGIT,YOU INSIST ON CALLING THEM BOOKMAKERS,AND IT VERY MUCH MATTERS WHAT THESE CHARLATANS DO!
facts
our friend had me laughing at utto yesterday he was telling me he was betting at Cheltenham on Tuesday and after the first 3 mullins horses had won memories of dettori day came flooding back and he thought shall I go in again and get the lot back on annie power from that day at ascot.
our friend had me laughing at utto yesterday he was telling me he was betting at Cheltenham on Tuesday and after the first 3 mullins horses had won memories of dettori day came flooding back and he thought shall I go in again and get the lot back on annie power from that day at ascot.
oi tim "the biggest head stuck in the machine ",stop talking shoite for a change please
NGU,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
FOXY,YES THE DIFFERENCE AT CHELTENHAM WAS THE PRICES GO BIGGER INSTEAD OF SHORTER AS EACH ONE WINS
I never understand what all the fuss is with Cheltenham. I go on holiday for January and February and EVERY year my profits from the festival pay for it. this year was no different.
this year I backed back [ on here ] six horses all week. last year it was none . I'm probably going soft ..they all lost.
this year I backed back [ on here ] six horses all week. last year it was none . I'm probably going soft ..they all lost.
ADGE YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE WON ON DETORI DAY AS WELL IF U STOOD AT ASCOT!
Tim, used to see you at Dunstall Park, you still a one man operator ?....
u then !
I DID win on detori day , fact ..............................I was betting at worcester
saw hazels nephew on ch 4 holding all the folding stuff, couldnt help noticing they were the same notes bryan was holding at thirsk about 10 years ago, [:laugh:
[:laugh:
no mine are marked with a red squiggle in the corner, ,
remember donkeys years ago bryan doing his shouty bit prentending he wanted to take a bet on some photo at thirsk,offering 1 to 20 about some horse that had clearly won
my mate couldnt resist getting invloved risking a ton for a nifty fiver,and walked up with his ton in hand,hazel shot £5 at him in shrapnel covered in chalk and said chuck off and dont come back,
,remember donkeys years ago bryan doing his shouty bit prentending he wanted to take a bet on some photo at thirsk,offering 1 to 20 about some horse that had clearly won
my mate couldnt resist getting invloved risking a ton for a nifty fiver,and walked up with his ton in hand,hazel shot £5 at him in shrapnel covered in chalk and said chuck off and dont come back,
I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY IT WON THE PHOTO BUT GOT THREW OUT IN A STEWARDS,IVE SEEN PUNTERS FALL FOR THAT ONE BEFORE
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Went Wednesday.
Respect to the bookies past the winning line in tatts.
Asked for Place only odds,NO RED CARD.
5/1 Place only 20/1 1/4 16+ runners.
Still got the tickets. 
Top day.
Respect to the bookies past the winning line in tatts.
Asked for Place only odds,NO RED CARD.
5/1 Place only 20/1 1/4 16+ runners.
Still got the tickets.
Top day.
Was at Cheltenham first 3 days in the Tattersalls seats and the first few bookies were not taking any bets but still shortening Douvan and L ami serge.
Sent someone down to bet Douvan at 2/1 came back with 15/8 the Ladbrokes shop had it at 2/1 so had more on with them.spent the next 3 days just betting with Ladbrokes in shop and coral on mobile better offers and better odds
Sent someone down to bet Douvan at 2/1 came back with 15/8 the Ladbrokes shop had it at 2/1 so had more on with them.spent the next 3 days just betting with Ladbrokes in shop and coral on mobile better offers and better odds
HABIN67:
I was where the horses pull up.
Think its classed as tatts.
Bookies were laying.
I was where the horses pull up.
Think its classed as tatts.
Bookies were laying.
was at chelt all 4 days.
It seemed the bookies just shortened virtually everything (common at Aintree). Not a lot seemed to drift to compensate.
Online bookies going 1/4 the odds all races and lots of extra places in the big handicaps, as well as other offers to. I went to the ladbrooks shop first 2 days but was so rammed couldn't be bothered the last 2 days.
Fortunately 4g worked great at the course so did most of my bets there using 1 online bookie even when no offers on the race bar the 1/4odds, as where the same odds as oncourse or bigger.
Think I only placed 3 bets oncourse, they were just out of laziness and I brought cash to bet with.
Its a shame as I like using oncourse bookies when I go as it adds to part of the experience . But their prices, place terms and offers just don't make it viable anymore.
It seemed the bookies just shortened virtually everything (common at Aintree). Not a lot seemed to drift to compensate.
Online bookies going 1/4 the odds all races and lots of extra places in the big handicaps, as well as other offers to. I went to the ladbrooks shop first 2 days but was so rammed couldn't be bothered the last 2 days.
Fortunately 4g worked great at the course so did most of my bets there using 1 online bookie even when no offers on the race bar the 1/4odds, as where the same odds as oncourse or bigger.
Think I only placed 3 bets oncourse, they were just out of laziness and I brought cash to bet with.
Its a shame as I like using oncourse bookies when I go as it adds to part of the experience . But their prices, place terms and offers just don't make it viable anymore.
a good number bet place only , bluenose , not just at festivals but all other days too
i bumoed into a bookmaker who i know ell last night and he said he bet in tatts and his turnover was 18% down onlast year
any serious reports, was turnover up given larger crowds and well backed winners
DAVY,I WOULD SAY TURNOVER WAS DOWN ON LAST YEAR,AND THATS ALLOWING FOR THE FACT THAT THE PUNTERS GOT OFF TO A FLYER ON ALL FOUR DAYS!
my take was 20% up on Tuesday , 10% up on Wednesday , 10% up on Thursday , but 10% down on Friday compared to last year.
the four short priced ones on Tuesday the obvious reason
can't speak about the £ 2 punters as I'm £ 5 minimum
the four short priced ones on Tuesday the obvious reason
can't speak about the £ 2 punters as I'm £ 5 minimum
Coach load I was on all went to lads in the Cent/bar.
Took them sometimes 10 mins to get served.
The boards were closer when we watched the race on the screens.
Opened there eyes when I brought back a 5/1 PLACE only slip from a board.
They had the view bookies don't do PLACE ONLY.
Nothing on the boards about PLACE ONLY.
Went round myself had to ask for Place only.
Think you might find the coach load punters would be more interested in a
4/1 + odds about a horse to finish in the places then a 25/1 + winner.
Only if you "point them that way"
They all do the placepot.
Cheering on there horse to finish Placed.
Took them sometimes 10 mins to get served.
The boards were closer when we watched the race on the screens.
Opened there eyes when I brought back a 5/1 PLACE only slip from a board.
They had the view bookies don't do PLACE ONLY.
Nothing on the boards about PLACE ONLY.
Went round myself had to ask for Place only.
Think you might find the coach load punters would be more interested in a
4/1 + odds about a horse to finish in the places then a 25/1 + winner.
Only if you "point them that way"
They all do the placepot.
Cheering on there horse to finish Placed.
BLUE A LOT OF LAYERS INCLUDING MYSELF TAKE PLACE ONLY BETS,BUT BEWARE ANY BOOKMAKER FROM YORKSHIRE THAT WILL INVARIABLY BE 1/5 WHEN BETTING ON 16 RUNNER PLUS HANDICAPS,THE YORKSHIRE BOOKMAKERS/COMMISSION AGENTS FAR OUTNUMBER ANY OTHER COUNTY YET EMBARRASSINGLY ONLY ONE CONSISTENTLY OFFERS TRADITIONAL EWAY TERMS
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tim stop being so boring and keep ur big head OUT OF THE MACHINE
tim stop being so boring and keep ur big head OUT OF THE MACHINE
I CANT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE IM BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE
NGU,BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT YOUR £2 ON YOU WANT VALUE!
sure all u have to do is look around a go a better an odd horse than the rest of the books instead of having ur head stuck permanently in the machine and stop turning customers away by telling them that ur computer is broke.....................THE TRUTH DOES HURT YOU
IT DOES MY FRIEND,COMMISSION AGENTS ARE NOW THE MAJORITY IN THE RINGS AND REPRESENTING THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS ON COMMITTEES,YOUR RIGHT IT DOES HURT!
factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:28 PM GMT
IT DOES MY FRIEND,COMMISSION AGENTS ARE NOW THE MAJORITY IN THE RINGS AND REPRESENTING THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS ON COMMITTEES,YOUR RIGHT IT DOES HURT!
and what has this to do with your false claim of being bigger than the machine when its bollix
IT DOES MY FRIEND,COMMISSION AGENTS ARE NOW THE MAJORITY IN THE RINGS AND REPRESENTING THE ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS ON COMMITTEES,YOUR RIGHT IT DOES HURT!
and what has this to do with your false claim of being bigger than the machine when its bollix
OH! AND U CAN BE ON EVEN WHEN THE DONGLE GOES DOWN! COME RACING! MY FRIEND COME RACING!
TRADITIONAL EWAY PLACE TERMS EVERY RACE EVERY COURSE(WILL TAKE PLACE ONLY AS WELL)
NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE AND PAID WITH A SMILE
factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
COME RACING AND FIND OUT IF ITS BOLLOCKS!
Report • Quote • Block User factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
OH! AND U CAN BE ON EVEN WHEN THE DONGLE GOES DOWN! COME RACING! MY FRIEND COME RACING
have seen you numerous times..........as i said your all mouth,keep talking bollix,one day YOU might even believe your own bollix
COME RACING AND FIND OUT IF ITS BOLLOCKS!
Report • Quote • Block User factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
OH! AND U CAN BE ON EVEN WHEN THE DONGLE GOES DOWN! COME RACING! MY FRIEND COME RACING
have seen you numerous times..........as i said your all mouth,keep talking bollix,one day YOU might even believe your own bollix
NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE AND PAID WITH A SMILE
King of Dubai • March 16, 2015 10:35 PM GMT
Are you "bigger than the machine" when travel costs / entry fees are included, factmachine
kod,he wont lay a bet til he sticks his big head in the machine first
Are you "bigger than the machine" when travel costs / entry fees are included, factmachine
kod,he wont lay a bet til he sticks his big head in the machine first
I KNOW U DO,ITS NOT MY FAULT U LOST YOUR £2 WHEN MCOY FELL IN THE MIDLANDS NATIONAL,PLUS YOU GOT 11/4 WITH ME WHEN IT WAS 3.65 ON HERE,COME RACING
LIKE ANNIE POWER I THINK IT WOULD HAVE WON HAD IT STOOD UP
factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:31 PM GMT
COME RACING AND FIND OUT IF ITS BOLLOCKS!
Report • Quote • Block User factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
OH! AND U CAN BE ON EVEN WHEN THE DONGLE GOES DOWN! COME RACING! MY FRIEND COME RACING
have seen you numerous times..........as i said your all mouth,keep talking bollix,one day YOU might even believe your own bollix
COME RACING AND FIND OUT IF ITS BOLLOCKS!
Report • Quote • Block User factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
OH! AND U CAN BE ON EVEN WHEN THE DONGLE GOES DOWN! COME RACING! MY FRIEND COME RACING
have seen you numerous times..........as i said your all mouth,keep talking bollix,one day YOU might even believe your own bollix
NGU,KEEP TAKING THE TABLETS YOUR BECOMING BORING,TRY AND GET OUT A BIT MORE,HAYDOCK,LUDLOW,BANGOR THIS WEEK FOR ME ALL BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE,BYE
factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
I KNOW U DO,ITS NOT MY FAULT U LOST YOUR £2 WHEN MCOY FELL IN THE MIDLANDS NATIONAL,PLUS YOU GOT 11/4 WITH ME WHEN IT WAS 3.65 ON HERE,COME RACINGLove
keep laying them £2 punters big mouth.......after all,they are the only regular punters you have...................................sleep well timmy bollix
I KNOW U DO,ITS NOT MY FAULT U LOST YOUR £2 WHEN MCOY FELL IN THE MIDLANDS NATIONAL,PLUS YOU GOT 11/4 WITH ME WHEN IT WAS 3.65 ON HERE,COME RACINGLove
keep laying them £2 punters big mouth.......after all,they are the only regular punters you have...................................sleep well timmy bollix
poor tim..................THE TRUTH REALLY HURTS HIM
CHEERS ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
no more bollix again now tomorrow tim as its getting very zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
seems he's got you worked out , fact . proof being he never gives up [ over 31000 replies ] and counting
ADGE THE BLOKE IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY A CARE IN THE COMMUNITY JOB
ADGE IS IT THE SAME BLOKE THAT ACCUSED YOU OF ROBBING HIS MOTHER
adge • March 16, 2015 11:19 PM GMT
seems he's got you worked out , fact . proof being he never gives up [ over 31000 replies ] and counting
my posts are actually half that,after the last time betfair was down for awhile my posts doubled..........
factmachine • March 16, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
ADGE IS IT THE SAME BLOKE THAT ACCUSED YOU OF ROBBING HIS MOTHER
wrong again tim the bollix talking machine........
seems he's got you worked out , fact . proof being he never gives up [ over 31000 replies ] and counting
my posts are actually half that,after the last time betfair was down for awhile my posts doubled..........
factmachine • March 16, 2015 11:26 PM GMT
ADGE IS IT THE SAME BLOKE THAT ACCUSED YOU OF ROBBING HIS MOTHER
wrong again tim the bollix talking machine........
factmachine • March 16, 2015 10:37 PM GMT
I KNOW U DO,ITS NOT MY FAULT U LOST YOUR £2 WHEN MCOY FELL IN THE MIDLANDS NATIONAL,PLUS YOU GOT 11/4 WITH ME WHEN IT WAS 3.65 ON HERE,COME RACINGLove
keep laying them £2 punters big mouth.......after all,they are the only regular punters you have...................................sleep well timmy bollix
now get to your bed nappy mouth
I KNOW U DO,ITS NOT MY FAULT U LOST YOUR £2 WHEN MCOY FELL IN THE MIDLANDS NATIONAL,PLUS YOU GOT 11/4 WITH ME WHEN IT WAS 3.65 ON HERE,COME RACINGLove
keep laying them £2 punters big mouth.......after all,they are the only regular punters you have...................................sleep well timmy bollix
now get to your bed nappy mouth
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