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09 Mar 15
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This nutjob of an animal will be out on his feet walking up the hill, his backers want locking up for their own safety.
His mental issues will be fully exposed by the occasion, and the limit of his class will be seen by all, he will be lucky to hand on for 3rd.
He wont be the only one of Mullins Clonmel bullys to get found out this week and the countless unimaginative accumulators will be going down faster than Neymar Jr.
His mental issues will be fully exposed by the occasion, and the limit of his class will be seen by all, he will be lucky to hand on for 3rd.
He wont be the only one of Mullins Clonmel bullys to get found out this week and the countless unimaginative accumulators will be going down faster than Neymar Jr.
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any chance of posting your 'lay' just so we nah ya not tarking shyte ?
g2d, Leop is left handed and flat, Clonmel is right handed and undulating, how does that quantify them as exact replicas...?
I actually can't believe you've posted that. You really are a langer..
I actually can't believe you've posted that. You really are a langer..
Was very impressed with how Ruby got him to pace himself last time.
Un De Sceaux is a very good horse and might well hose up but this is a Cheltenham festival race after all and on the level of form it has achieved so far and with these type of rivals he will face, he doesn't deserve to be odds on and there is no value there in my view, no matter how visually impressive he has looked so far.
He still has to come up Cheltenham's hill at the finish and jump the stiff fences without either coming down or making any significant errors and I'm sure he won't get a soft lead and will be taken on, or else too much early use might be made of him and we could see him slightly over-racing from the off if Ruby insists on making it and then that's where the hill might come into play at the business end of the race.
It is interesting that they have taken Vautour out, which I personally think is a "mistake" as such, although that is probably more by design than anything else, although both horses are in different ownership and the jockey and trainer clearly didn't want to have them opposing each other (especially Ruby you would imagine, if he wanted to ride both) but you are supposed to do best by all of your owners and it's not a given that the JLT or RSA is the best race for Vautour.
As current prices stand now you could dutch every other runner in the field against UDS and still (more than) double your money at around evens if one of them wins with 10 running for you and I think I would rather that than only have UDS going for me at odds-on. You could maybe even increase your return by not dutching all 10 others by say dropping the 2 outsiders or have the next 6 in the betting after UDS or whatever.
I'll personally probably take on UDS by dutching Vibrato Valtat, Three Kingdoms and Josses Hill and possibly Clarcam as I think the course might suit better. I'd also far rather back the yard's Douvan in the opener than UDS in the Arkle and you could even dutch the yard's 4 runners in the opener and still make a profit if one of them wins.
He still has to come up Cheltenham's hill at the finish and jump the stiff fences without either coming down or making any significant errors and I'm sure he won't get a soft lead and will be taken on, or else too much early use might be made of him and we could see him slightly over-racing from the off if Ruby insists on making it and then that's where the hill might come into play at the business end of the race.
It is interesting that they have taken Vautour out, which I personally think is a "mistake" as such, although that is probably more by design than anything else, although both horses are in different ownership and the jockey and trainer clearly didn't want to have them opposing each other (especially Ruby you would imagine, if he wanted to ride both) but you are supposed to do best by all of your owners and it's not a given that the JLT or RSA is the best race for Vautour.
As current prices stand now you could dutch every other runner in the field against UDS and still (more than) double your money at around evens if one of them wins with 10 running for you and I think I would rather that than only have UDS going for me at odds-on. You could maybe even increase your return by not dutching all 10 others by say dropping the 2 outsiders or have the next 6 in the betting after UDS or whatever.
I'll personally probably take on UDS by dutching Vibrato Valtat, Three Kingdoms and Josses Hill and possibly Clarcam as I think the course might suit better. I'd also far rather back the yard's Douvan in the opener than UDS in the Arkle and you could even dutch the yard's 4 runners in the opener and still make a profit if one of them wins.
no doubting horses form
but round here nice to have won here before
but price very short....
but round here nice to have won here before
but price very short....
having just watched its last 4 runs again i cant see why you calling it a ''nutjob'...
yes it races freely in front and spreadeagles the field from a long way out.
its a very slick jumper and there's no telling how good it is.
i can see it error free being clear at the last and coasting in.
by laying you could look very stupid. it looks a superstar.
yes it races freely in front and spreadeagles the field from a long way out.
its a very slick jumper and there's no telling how good it is.
i can see it error free being clear at the last and coasting in.
by laying you could look very stupid. it looks a superstar.
I think it's too short to back but those calling it a 'nutjob' are being very unfair IMO. Just a free going sort.
What has he beat? Trifolium was just as impressive in the Irish Arkle beating a much better field and only 3.8 seconds slower than UDS on much heavier ground. But he wasnt unbeaten in completed starts and trained by Mullins. There has been numerous impressive winners of the Irish Arkle over the years and I think only 2 have followed up at Cheltenham in the last 30 years.
UDS has been well placed in his career, the Arkle was his first try at a Grade 1 level and it was a Grade 1 in name only, he has been streeting handicappers in Ireland on heavy ground for 2 years.
He has met one legit horse in his career for me and that is the French horse Gemix who is better over further and was giving UDS 7 pounds.
UDS - 15 lengths lead approaching 2 out, 5 lengths clear jumping last, soon ridden and held on gamely
Gemix - snk 2nd 5 lengths 2nd jumping last, ridden and ran on run-in, just failed to get up
Some dreamers think he has earned the right to be 8/11 for an Arkle, 4/7 until recently, and he only has to stand up, they cant see the wood for the 1s.
I accept the opposition isnt the strongest but on paper he is a 7/4 shot at best and when you factor in that he is completely uncontrollable, untested at the level or on the ground, id be wanting at least 5/2 to even consider him a bet.
If you cant lay this you cant lay anything.
UDS has been well placed in his career, the Arkle was his first try at a Grade 1 level and it was a Grade 1 in name only, he has been streeting handicappers in Ireland on heavy ground for 2 years.
He has met one legit horse in his career for me and that is the French horse Gemix who is better over further and was giving UDS 7 pounds.
UDS - 15 lengths lead approaching 2 out, 5 lengths clear jumping last, soon ridden and held on gamely
Gemix - snk 2nd 5 lengths 2nd jumping last, ridden and ran on run-in, just failed to get up
Some dreamers think he has earned the right to be 8/11 for an Arkle, 4/7 until recently, and he only has to stand up, they cant see the wood for the 1s.
I accept the opposition isnt the strongest but on paper he is a 7/4 shot at best and when you factor in that he is completely uncontrollable, untested at the level or on the ground, id be wanting at least 5/2 to even consider him a bet.
If you cant lay this you cant lay anything.
Ask yourself in 2 years time "what about Clarcam" when he is running down the field in some Grade 3 at Down Royal.
Maybe so, but in the here and now; he dished out a good beating to some good horses. Even if Vautour was wrong that day, he beat a very good handicapper in Ted Veale by a wide margin. No mug IMO.
My problem with this thread is the use of Neymar JR going down ,had OP said Monica Lewinsky 
Trifolium had been hammered many times though, & his win was on Sft/Hvy. UDS is practically unbeaten in many races, and his win was on Yld/Sft.
I've backed 'Vibrato Valtat' at 6/1 BOG and with a money back guarantee if 'Un De Sceaux' wins!
Josses Hill at 12/1 with money back if fav wins. This ran a decent race behind Vautour last year. The bigger field will suit, placed in all it races and with Geraghty on board. Fav will only lose if falling, prefer my bet to a place lay which is very negative.
Aaah great horse. 8-11. Only a small dent but that was sheer class
Day 2 start with new bank.
OP wasnt convinced b4 irish Arkle nor after.
Wonder if he is now
OP wasnt convinced b4 irish Arkle nor after.
Wonder if he is now
I respect anyone who gives an opinion and posts their bet...fair play
just cudnt agree with the 'nutjob' description.
just cudnt agree with the 'nutjob' description.
Run it again tomorrow I will take him on again.
Good horse and he handled the occassion so fair play, got it badly wrong but ill get him in the Champion Chase next year.
Good horse and he handled the occassion so fair play, got it badly wrong but ill get him in the Champion Chase next year.
"Un De Sceaux - MAXIMUM FULL BANK LAY"
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:17PM, King of Dubai wrote:
The Simple Ton ya great clod. Clear off back to the football forum with the rest of the knuckle draggers.
SEETHING
Maybe there is something wrong with my brain, but there is nothing wrong with my heart.
Was a good buzz, thought I had him going to the last.
Was a good buzz, thought I had him going to the last.
he didn't post a receipt of the bet, he posted a screen shot of what his position would be should he place that bet. nothing on that screen shot says the bet was placed.
man down man down...do we leave him or getting back to our lines?
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:17PM, King of Dubai wrote:
The Simple Ton ya great clod. Clear off back to the football forum with the rest of the knuckle draggers.
I see the kingofDUMMIES is SEETHING again
he layed one that won no big deal
we have all done it
but his aggression explaining it,that’s why after-timers come a calling
i think a lot of us liked fave but too short for me-just a watch
front runners have awful record in this race so fair play to winner......
we have all done it
but his aggression explaining it,that’s why after-timers come a calling
i think a lot of us liked fave but too short for me-just a watch
front runners have awful record in this race so fair play to winner......
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:17PM, King of Dubai wrote:
The Simple Ton ya great clod. Clear off back to the football forum with the rest of the knuckle draggers.
knuckle draggers? Your the one who admitted you love, worship and adore that Pleb Nobbie Savage as your role model
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:28PM, rewired wrote:
he layed one that won no big dealwe have all done itbut his aggression explaining it,that’s why after-timers come a callingi think a lot of us liked fave but too short for me-just a watchfront runners have awful record in this race so fair play to winner......
Nothing wrong with laying a short priced favs, Just don't go full bank on it
I never put a full bank on anything not matter how dead cert, not even a 1.01
could be worse, I could have tipped a 5/4 shot as info and disappeared when it got beat
doantwin2easy 10 Mar 15 14:24
he didn't post a receipt of the bet, he posted a screen shot of what his position would be should he place that bet. nothing on that screen shot says the bet was placed.
thats correct...do people deceive on BF ?
he didn't post a receipt of the bet, he posted a screen shot of what his position would be should he place that bet. nothing on that screen shot says the bet was placed.
thats correct...do people deceive on BF ?
if you want to post a horse your laying
idea to leave full bank out of the equation......
idea to leave full bank out of the equation......
I thought you were probably taking the ps Roida tbh but still couldn't help myself...
fair play oabw4 ,u posted ur bet and came back on afterwards unlike alot of the keyboard warrior's ,sticking the knife in at the min .u still have 3 1/2 days to get it back ,i like some one with a stronge opinion and the guts to follow it threw , and to dontwineasy if the bet was'nt placed it would have a little arrow at the side of it ,go try it urself
oneyallbeenwaiting4
on your screenshot there'e no - before the red amount so bet hadnt been placed?
on your screenshot there'e no - before the red amount so bet hadnt been placed?
everyone gets it wrong at times but what's this full bank nonsense?????
Not sure how you come back tomorrow and lay him again if that is your full bank.
Pity too, because you must have worked damn hard to get your commission rate to the point where you don't have to pay any commission at all. Lot's of pretty 000.00 on your "bet" screenshot....
Pity too, because you must have worked damn hard to get your commission rate to the point where you don't have to pay any commission at all. Lot's of pretty 000.00 on your "bet" screenshot....
bjt
commission wont show on your screen before race or am i missing something?
commission wont show on your screen before race or am i missing something?
Full bank means nothing.
We are supposed to assume the backer/layer will be skint if his bet loses,but even if he has put everything he has in Betfair at the moment on it it might be 0.001% of what he's worth. After all a lat of Un De Sceaux might only have given him an exposure of £1.50 so his full bank need only have been £2.
We are supposed to assume the backer/layer will be skint if his bet loses,but even if he has put everything he has in Betfair at the moment on it it might be 0.001% of what he's worth. After all a lat of Un De Sceaux might only have given him an exposure of £1.50 so his full bank need only have been £2.
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:50PM, roida wrote:
bjtcommission wont show on your screen before race or am i missing something?
Missing that commission is taken out. At least it is on my screen.
Either way, 19000 laid, at 1.79 is 15010 liability. To get 15,000 exactly, would be a lay at 1.7894736842105263
So if he managed to manipulate his bet to get those odds, to match all those zeros up, then fair play to him. 
Of course, if he is paying 2% commission, which somebody putting bets of that size on would be, then to get the 19,000.00 exactly, would need to lay 19380 at 1.7739938080495356. Another monumental effort.
Commission is most definitely taken out on my P/L on the BF race screen.
yes cos your 'show profit less commission ' box is ticked...
As is anybody betting more than 10 dollar stakes.
So you are suggesting, he hasn't ticked that box? What odds do you suggest he laid at?
So you are suggesting, he hasn't ticked that box? What odds do you suggest he laid at?
Very valid argument. 
What odds do you suggest he laid at to get exactly a 15,000.00 liability?
What odds do you suggest he laid at to get exactly a 15,000.00 liability?
who cares what somebody has lost
i dont get my jollies laughing at someones misfortune
only account i care about is mine.....
i dont get my jollies laughing at someones misfortune
only account i care about is mine.....
Anyone know what the BEST price was on Un De Sceaux in RUNNING
Cheers
Cheers
Think it went up to near 1.90 early. Not sure exactly, but know it was 20 cents or so above from where I saw. May have gone slightly higher.
20k at 1.75 to Asian syndicate
1k commission
full bank savings gone
1k commission
full bank savings gone
Well, you have done well with your name. Waited nearly 3 years for that one to get on at 5% commission. Might need to wait another 3 years. Your thread got attention anyway, so you are a winner in my book.....
Why would you risk such exposure when there is no justifiable reason to do so? All you quoted were mental issues! Wtf
polygraph needed im afraid...the bf porkie tellers is vastly growing 
Because sometimes you make the decision to ship all your chips to a syndicate in South East China pre race, and sometimes you just have to take your medicine.
I am lead to believe it was a prominent outfit based just to the north of the South East China sea.
Obviously no way of knowing 100%.
Obviously no way of knowing 100%.
Bit of a mission really. Deposit 15,000 pounds to Betfair as a first deposit, probably have to explain to the bank that it was your decision and no fraud going on. Ring Betfair to increase your exposure limit. Then dump it all on something you think will fcuk you over 1 in 3 times.
You know, I may have believed you if you called the thread something sensible, like "maximum full bank everything account emptying full scale complete absolute bank job lay" or something. Just wasn't enough redundant terms in the title for mine to make it believable.
You know, I may have believed you if you called the thread something sensible, like "maximum full bank everything account emptying full scale complete absolute bank job lay" or something. Just wasn't enough redundant terms in the title for mine to make it believable.
how the screenshot from bf if didnt do bet with them?
another bullshysterer exposed.
another bullshysterer exposed.
Betfair was the middleman, this was a sorry transaction with a potentially rogue outfit from the Orient operating with inside information.
Mar 10, 2015 -- 5:26PM, roida wrote:
how the screenshot from bf if didnt do bet with them?another bullshysterer exposed.
Come on now, you were arguing with me on his behalf an hour ago when I pointed out he was full of siht.
Mar 10, 2015 -- 3:15PM, oneyallbeenwaiting4 wrote:
Run it again tomorrow I will take him on again.Good horse and he handled the occassion so fair play, got it badly wrong but ill get him in the Champion Chase next year.
got em
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