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Dubawi Diamond 4.30 Wolves death - so unnecessary
Dubawi Diamond 4.30 Wolves death - so unnecessary
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i've criticised Morris's whip action on more than one occasion on the forum but the slap he gave that horse was no different to 99% of slaps administered by any jockey in a finish...prob pure coincidence that horse broke down at that point, and even if injury was caused by horse jinking when slapped it could have happened to anyone...thread seems somewhat opportunistic imo..nothing to see here
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ps to use the word 'brutal' re. the slap is ridiculous, and it is clear from your opening post that you are NOT a 'very experienced race-watcher'
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Sad to read some of the heartless replies on here. Whether it was an accident, a direct result of crowding or excessive/wrong use of whip is not relevant now, to the poor horse. Yes, we breed these animals for gambling, but surely the death of an innocent animal still deserves some condolences. Just heartless when you read, "next" as if the horse was just a machine.
R.I.P DD |
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very well said gawdalmighty totally agree
very sad no matter what  |
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"CROWDING"
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carrot
at ya buddy, not with ya |
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Check out the following site> http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/ if you really want to be outraged at the Horse Racing game. To pinpoint and single out 1 incident just because of a certain "whip action" is nonsensical. Considering I've seen many more horses breaking down when "running straight" than I have after being whipped. And on Morris's whip action, if you watched closely enough, you would see it is no more "brutal" than the rest of the jockeys who smack their horses around. The bottom line is humans(as the "superior" species) do and will continue to use&abuse all other forms of life to our benefit/entertainment. In an ideal world we'd have zero horse casualties..but sadly we don't live in an ideal world..and so horses will continue to break down(legs snapping like the twigs they are, as they're FORCED to carry humans around at high speeds) and they'll continue to be treated as nothing more than disposable commodities.
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they are well looked after and I don't
think their lad/lass looks at them as disposable commodites. |
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most regular followers of the sport have genuine affection for horses in general and certain individual racehorses in particular, and i defy anyone to go to Cheltenham next month and tell me that it is only about betting
bottom line to all the antes like prosniper, tho, is: No horse-racing, No racehorses...is that what you want? |
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Pro-sniper - to post "what about lowering the hurdles/fences to significantly reduce the number of falls/fatalities" demonstrates how little you know about the sport you despise.
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Yea yea I know nothing about the sport I "despise". Everything is rosy. The horses are thoroughly enjoying themselves and everything possible is being done to assure they return home safely bla bla bla
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The shame is thats racing. When these horses(who are equine athletes)get injuries just like human athletes. Because of the nature of the sport many happen only at high speed which finds the weakness that may have been there for a while and gone unnoticed because it did'nt show before. We lost one of our horses recently and everyone was devastated including the jockey. So, lets not be too hasty to allocate blame because we do not have crystal balls to see the future.
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ProSniper I am a lover of horses and was at the stables on Saturday feeding the horses carrots. I know and accept that we use these for our own benefit, yet I would rather come back as a racehorse than most other animals. You should go to stables and see what it is like. I also agree that humans make animals suffer but we also make other humans suffer.
Most of us on here love the horse a swell as the gambling. |
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Hopefully something positive will come of this unfortunate incident, which after watching again on today's ATR review, still makes very unpleasant viewing and I still maintain is a good example of what can happen if the sport isn't regulated properly race by race. Enough has been said about blame and/or freak accident on here, whatever your individual view is, but I will say that, quite ironically, this was about the only occasion on the day that the jockey in question didn't break the whip rules which state quite clearly that you must not hit a horse with the whip used above shoulder height more than once in a race - if you do so twice in a race, you are supposed to be facing a minimum of a two day ban and presumably more days if you have gone over that amount.
On viewing the replays today, the rules appeared to be broken on a number of occasions at Wolverhampton yesterday by this rider, the worst of which was meted out to his last mount which finished 2nd in the 5.30, Happydoingnothing, who copped at least 8 over the shoulder whip hits from around the home turn, yet no bans were issued to any jockey on the day by the stewards there. Hopefully, whoever was responsible at BHA HQ for Aidan Coleman's rule-breaking effort at Chepstow being investigated can't fail but do something about this retrospectively too, as the stewards and the stipe on course advising them must be either a very forgiving ensemble who are overdosing on their use of their discretionary powers or are frankly not up to the job. Check the race out for yourself if you don't believe me, it's a sad but all too frequent pattern of behaviour on the day. Coincidentally, the horse/rider in question is actually 'highlighted' on the still shot at the very end of the 5.30 replay on the ATR website, which has captured him administering one of the hits in the home straight, it makes interesting viewing even on a still. |
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Totally disagree that the horse was off balance or that the whip strike (not administered with any velocity in this instance regardless of take back) made any difference to the incident.
The whip strike merely coincided with the horse elevating its near fore unnaturally off the surface because of the frailty of the previous step. |
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rules which state quite clearly that you must not hit a horse with the whip used above shoulder height
that's not correct, the whip can go above shoulder height it's the whip arm that cannot, perhaps that's why you seem to think so many are breaking the rules? |
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http://www.thepja.co.uk/members-info/regulatory/useofwhip/ is where I checked out the usage rules and penalties for misuse, and it actually doesn't state on there that I can see anyway, re the whip arm. Not that this makes a scrap of difference in Luke Morris' case, as both his arm and whip are above shoulder height when he has used the whip in any number of races mentioned from Wolves on the 9th and at Southwell again today too - it's quite interesting to compare the height his arm is above shoulder compared to the other riders in those races yesterday. The other riders to a man/woman at least yesterday when resorting to the whip were keeping their arm below the shoulder and within the rules. Not saying there aren't others doing it on a regular or irregular basis as well, but on yesterday's evidence, rules were broken virtually race by this rider but no enquiry was recorded throughout the afternoon involving this breach of rules.
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pja is not the bha , if you're going to hang someone it makes sense to understand what you're hanging them for and as it's the basis for your argument it's probably worth getting your facts right
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I would hope the PJA would get their facts right for their members, and would reproduce the rules for their members accurately. What's your take on all this then, whip arm included?
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my take would be that once you've established it's arm above shoulder that is the offence, it would be prudent to check how may times it can happen before it's classed as a rule break
then as "a very experienced race-watcher and have been for many years" i'd decide if i were right |
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after watching again on today's ATR review,...i still maintain is a good example of what can happen if the sport isn't regulated properly race by race
that's enough to prove you havent got a clue what you're talking about and are mischief making...if you want racing banned, just say so |
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The striking of the whip on Dubawi Diamond definitely brought about its unfortunate death.
However it was totally unintentional. I've never seen a horse react in that way previously and I'm 60. The horse would appear to have been so surprised that his leg action went and he broke the one he was putting pressure on at the time. Unfortunate but Luke Morris can not be blamed for what was a freak accident brought about by a run-of-the-mill strike of the whip. |
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Too many paid "Charity" workers on here for my stomach..
My advice to you AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE is get a job.Any job but a real job. My advice to formites is never give any money to these alleged "Charities".. Give to your local Hospice and the Salvation Army... Do not line the pockets of the half-wits... |
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well said...Homefortea... a lot of people suffering out there too....
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'tezza' your posts, from your first to your last, clearly demonstrate an agenda against this particular jockey.
I'm no friend of the jockey nor do I know him personally however I do know a freak accident when I see one - which is what that was. I don't own any horses but if I did I would not hesitate in the slightest to put this jockey up. He seems to try more than plenty of his peers, horses run for him and they clearly don't come back marked or affected in any way as he is just about the most used jockey going in the winter months with seemingly every stable with entries at this time of year happy to use him. So whatever your agenda is you waited and picked this unfortunate incident to make your assertions on the jock in question public & your real intention in your original post, shines through not only in that but all your efforts subsequently. I'd suggest you consider your strategy for personal grievances slightly more methodically in future. |
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Paid "Charity" pros off elsewhere to spin their left wing agendas..
Give them feck all. |
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whereas you are a right wing paid bore,with a right wing agenda
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Cooking and cleaning love...
Come back when you have had a bet. |
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Steamship, I don't doubt there's many who have a genuine love for the beautiful beasts. I don't have to travel to any stables to see that. One only has to look at the joy that beams from some of the faces of the head lads&lassies when handling them. Unfortunately such affection won't be found among the fat cats who are powered by nothing but greed. Power which is generated by the masses of ignorant beings who selfishly roam this earth. Hand-feeding a horse some carrots doesn't cleanse you from the part you play in sending these horses into uncomfortable&dangerous territory from the start to the finish of their "careers"
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I don't doubt for a minute that the impending general election is the main reason their is a stench waffling across these boards.
There is a million causes that need the attention of genuine decent people ,how about finding one Man and the horse go back a long long way ,a lot further than you lot of pseudo animal rights warriors we have the interests of animals higher on the list than you lot ever will ,in fact if it came to the crunch a would pick a horse over you types every day of the week . Jog on ,your a great example of everything that's doomed the left to failure ,you lot have destroyed it |
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A LIFE that is infinitely preferable to being stood in an abattoir en route to ending up in an Belgian's sandwich box, which is where many would end up if the horse racing industry was halted today.
As for "uncomfortable & dangerous territory" - you mean what they would be facing constantly if they were released into the wild? Not that they would be released into the wild, cuz once the current generations had been slaughtered / died, the breed would just die out, studs would close, etc... Besides, whether you're an animal or a human being, we're all facing "uncomfortable & dangerous territory", cuz unfortunately there are enough nutcases in the world to see to that. |
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exactly, George...outside of the Royal Family and some domestic pets, very few in this life get a free ride- you have to pay your way somewhere along the line...i hate to see any animal abused and was one of those that welcomed the new stricter whip regulations, but horses pay their way in life by doing what they're bred for every few weeks and we love them for it
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Yeah let's dismiss the fact that man is over breeding them in the first place...
Here's another nice read for you one-eyed morons> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/CAMPAIGNS/horse/ALL/1350/ |
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And still they arrive..
Get a job fella... Of course you cannot as without the Charity suckle you are basically unemployable... Take a long hard look in that mirror shave that beard off and get a real job.. A real job. |
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Oh dear, resorting to name calling because we don't share your utopic view of horses running freely around lush fields and living happily ever after.
Red Rum, Desert Orchid, Kauto Star, et al, such wonderful memories they provided, and they loved it as their enthusiasm and longevity on the racecourse showed. And look at poor Kauto now, he looks f*cking miserable as sin since they started making him do Morris dancing imo. Just google pics of him from his time at Ditcheat, bright as a button, alert, posing for pics. Happy. Yet some of those pics from his new home, head bowed and turned away from the camera and lass. Miserable imo. |
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Pro-sniper - You should know that AnimalAid is probably not a source of unbiased or objective information on horse-racing. You will argue, perhaps correctly, that the horse-racing forum section of a betting organisation is equally unlikely to be unbiased either, but then you joined our forum, not us yours.
I am, unlike others, reluctant to make assumptions about who you are or what you do, but whatever you clearly lack some basic knowledge about this sport (ie suggesting that lowering the height of hurdles will reduce equine deaths is patently ridiculous) so some serious research would easily help, and you may want to use sources other than AA. An idea might be to start with your quoted AA article, and set out to verify that statement and research the claims made. I have no wish to pre-judge your findings, but some of the claims offend commonsense and/or are clearly boll ocks. Oh go on then. Tell us. You are a paid plant of AA, or you are 15, or both. |
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two excellent posts George and Black
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I have been highlighting paid plants on here for years..
Give charities nothing.. I repeat give them feck all as 95% of your donated cash goes to paying Left Wing pricks just out of "University" that know no better... Apart from the Salvation Army and your local Hospice who we may all need.. |
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totally agree HFT, we have a hospice on our door step which does fantastic work
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