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Well said Bridgy!
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also well said bridgy
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He might just as well write out the cheque now.
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What penalty did sam walley bell end get when he cocked up at Fakenham a couple of years ago?
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Getting like Jose criticising Premier referee's...... they all keep ''stum'' in the end !
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12 days but was still able to ride Long Run in the King George as he is an amateur so the days count only on days when there are amateur races being run.
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He deserves to get in trouble for those remarks and the kid deserves his ban, he cost punters who backed him dearly.
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He deserves to get in trouble for those remarks and the kid deserves his ban, he cost punters who backed him dearly.
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He's sixteen and obviously doesn't know the course that well. I backed it but it's just one of those things. They're learning.
Presumably these rules are in place to protect the punter. It would be nice if they enforced some of the other supposed rules with equal vigour. |
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He's had 4 rides this season, 21 days is hardly going to end his career. And anyone in any job would get in trouble if they called their superiors "idiots".
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Bridgy was bang on imo
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they are idiots now try fine me
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21 days of only days when there are amateur races on which will count as ban days won't be the same as the next 21 days though and could go on for far longer than that.
I'm guessing here the.mad.dog.man that you aren't governed by the BHA in your job but even if you are, you haven't actually put your real name to those comments anyway. Many stewards are idiots though and I know to my own personal cost. |
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Punters who backed the horse had every right to be cheesed off but why should he get more than double the ban that Denis O'Regan got for not trying to achieve the best possible placing at Bangor on the Tony Martin horse the other day. Is making an error of judgement twice as bad as deliberate cheating?
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can't speak yer mind in the u k then ...... whatever happened to freedom of speech ?
2015 and there are still organisations, governments and individuals trying to stop people stating the obvious . Strange ? wouldn't yer law courts be able to deal with this ? isn't slander ? liable ? very embarrassing and somewhat primitive imvho. |
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frances melly,so is italy 08 Jan 15 21:24
I think you're right to propose the incidents are quite analogous. The jock's explanations are though extremely different and sadly the implication is that Wednesday's jock is being victimised for honesty. For that reason the ban would merit a reduction. If the stewards were still p*****d from 20 years ago Bridgy's alleged comment is justified, if they weren't, the comments were unwise and personal-sounding.... which won't help the jock....... in terms of the the ban! |
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When speaking to the press, isn't there an 'off the record' code, and a 'yes you can quote me on that' code?
Perhaps Bridgwater was happy to be quoted, but you wouldn't be surprised if trainers (and jockeys) have often made disparaging comments about stewards to members of the press, but you don't usually get to read about what they said! |
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It must be very traumatic for the poor young rider, he obviously was too wary and nervous about the omitted last fence
I must commiserate for the poor young chap and am sorry it looked farcical to onlookers who have never ridden in a race nuff said.. |
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I suppose they could have been 'kind' and given him 10 days on the basis that he managed to stay on the correct course and they couldn't be certain that the horse would have won anyway.
I know the horse looked sure to win, but given we're in an age when a horse can meet with serious interference before losing by a narrow margin, only for a stipe to come out and say: we couldn't be sure the interference cost the runner-up victory... |
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Agreed George just cos a horse looks to be leading at the last fence is not guarenteed victory it could well
have been beat on the run in ..Hindsight doesn't work for punters... |
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Agreed George just cos a horse looks to be leading at the last fence is not guarenteed victory it could well
have been beat on the run in ..Hindsight doesn't work for punters... |
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I'm a fan of Wood's and his refusal to board the gravy train, however, in this instance I would have reported it:
“It was just a mistake. They asked me to go into the stewards’ room with him. “He’s a 16-year-old kid, for God’s sake. He didn’t take the wrong course [and] he jumped the last fence. Okay, give him a week’s ban or something, but to give him 21 days." |
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Barton Bank. Spot on!
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Excuse my ignorance in this as I have not looked at all 3 cases in great deal, but howcome Scudamore and Johnson both got 12 days for actually taking the wrong course and taking the horse out of the race, yet this young jock got 21 days despite actually taking the right course?? Doesn't seem fair or consistent to me.
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I'm guessing it's because they pulled up their horses once realising their mistake and it wasn't deemed to be them losing races they probably would have won otherwise.
I would imagine the young kid's ban is right days wise if going by the rule book though. |
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Eye fink the o p is bridgy
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The stewards and the BHB are the ones who should be charge
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Wow - I cannot believe I have had my post removed.
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The harshest punishment was that given to the rider of the second who was clearly confused by the leader going round the fence and surely she could be excused for thinking "are there some flags waving that he can see but I can't). Her problem was compounded by the leader veering back on track and almost bringing her down! It was that dangerous move that in my view merited a longer ban for the leader. I would certainly not have punished the rider of the second, nor would I have punished Lizzy Kelly yesterday for making sure that her mount ran to the line.
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Small fish though sageform, looks like they are actually doing something. As stated everywhere else, would some of the others (bigger names) get the same ban? Absolutely not, and that is 1.01.
Another post removed from me, I cannot see what was wrong with it. Do the BHA not like a few home truths, and are watching with their beady eyes getting anything they can removed that puts them in a bad light? Maybe start the organisation from scratch if that's the case. |
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harsh ban, whilst clearly a mistake yes people that lost money could feel angry at his error, but it was just inexperience and the punishment is way over the top
db will get hammered as well now with a fine making it more unjust pros pull fast ones daily yet a kid makes a genuine c0cok up and gets 21 days, the bha that cannot police the sport decide to flex their muscles because it's easy, i'd agree with bridgwater and add @rseholes to their description |
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I am not as anti the BHA as others seem to be. On the one hand we can have sympathy for young riders who make a silly mistake but on the other we also sympathise with punters who lose money as a result. Perhaps a stiffer test of experience/ability is required before these youngsters are allowed to ride on licensed tracks. I know that jockeys with the experience of Richard Johnson make mistakes as well but it is far more common among young amateurs. Better course layouts would help and the prevelance of fences being omitted for all sorts of reasons is a factor..
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The Fear's earlier comment about David Brdigwater calling his superiors idiots is laughable. Bridgy I assure you does not have superiors. He has grown enormously in my eyes because of his comments.
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Jockey makes mistake that costs punters but it's the stewards that are "idiots". Ok.
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The point is the stewards are idiots because like the BHA who run (cough, cough) the sport they are just not consistent.
TheFear - did O'Regan cost punters by not even trying? |
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Agree with DB, hypothetical argument I know but they wouldnt dare ban any of the top jocks for that long should a similar mistake be made by them, sixteen year-old kid is just going to take it.
Chin-up anyone who done their dough, you'll soon have it back off the Dr! ![]() |
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Jake Launchbury is a 16 year old kid, and therefore an easy target. A big name jockey who did that would've got 10-12 days tops.
When the rules give a greater ban for a genuine mistake (which the rider tried to correct) than deliberately riding a horse to not achieve the best possible placing then there is something fundamentally wrong. I did have a good laugh at Bridgy's comments though, something that's been said many times on here . He might as well send them a cheque for the fine now and save himself a trip to Holborn. |
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Ban well justified imo.
If he's old enough to ride, then he's old enough to know the correct course. |
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I am sure there are many examples in the past where the same ban has not been applied. He should go there and play the "discrimination" card imo, that would be funny (and obviously report it through The Guardian!
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