Finally made it as a professional 'full-time' horse racing trader (second attempt)

Yes, he is young and a little naïve.

rcing - he cant post that he has made his last post ...

Agree with that Carrera. What do these people get out of posting delusional fantasies?

delta , more likely he can't see the portal

Sam, for 24 hrs a simple request has been made to see your Premium Charge from last week...it will have come out sometime around 12.30pm yday, so just have a quick peek at your account statement...or alternatively check here 

https://account.betfair.com/regpay-myaccount/premiumcharge/summary.html

Just a moment lads, he says he wants to help us.

To be fair I need all the help I can get.

Give him the chance to provide us with his words of wisdom.

protradersam ...
some advice
the forumites are generally a sound bunch and generally rightly cynical..I have very gently spammed my laying website from time to time (not much though) and had very little adverse comment.  What the guys dislike is arrogance and name calling.  If you want to get on on here, just be a bit humble and post evidence as requested.  You will then get the appropriate response.
HTH

winning 30k a year prerace trading is easy.....but its the 1000 trades ina row without a loss is the reason u get slated

Mememe. Spot on!

Either choose to listen or not, but I found a way to view the markets outside the box in which 99.9% of traders seem to. I have exploited this and made between £30-£480 on 1,017 markets now (not including scratch trades). I'm not really too bothered who believes me or not but what really surprises me is that 90% of you can't seem to comprehend that I have a (pretty much) foolproof method that I imagine only two or three other traders may have figured out too. I am sick of hearing that my 1000 profitable trades in a row is nonsense and would greatly appreciate a more intelligent argument if/when someone calls me out on it. I apologise if I have offended anyone but I feel as though some of you had left me no choice. Now, if we could just have a civil discussion about trading in general, it would be greatly appreciated

Not until you stop lying.

Johnny is on your case Sam. Homing in for the kill. Bad man!

Sam?

sam , why not post a PC screenshot ?

Just to add, I have never had PPI , nor do I need a new boiler on a government scheme. Sorry Sam, but it does seem a bit like a priming up session before the sell.

Go easy on him JM. He is only young!

getting a serious discussion on here is very rare

even rarer in these circumstances, better off not bothering sonny

I don't think I was being overly-harsh Roy, it's just that it's very clear he's not telling the truth and that kind of braggadocio sticks in my throat.

Certainly NOT over harsh JM. My post was just to warn Sam against trifling with your evil self!

but what really surprises me is that 90% of you can't seem to comprehend that I have a (pretty much) foolproof method that I imagine only two or three other traders may have figured out too.

Wonder how many gamblers have come up with a "foolproof method" over the years...

I think you'll find most people are sceptical because you seem unwilling to provide any evidence of this remarkable no-lose run.

must admit, if i'd made between £30-£480 on 1,017 consecutive markets i'd be getting blown by a couple of redheads right now...certainly wouldnt be shooting the breeze on here!

i guess that 1,017 consecutive markets doesnt include the +£2.67 in the screenshot then 

If we accept the fact that you have had 1,000 winning trades in a row(which 99%plus) dont, WTF would you want to come on here and help others/share with your competitors.
Its no point in you discussing trading with others as you obviously cant learn anything from anybody seeing as you are so successfull
Correct me if im wrong but i allways thought the best part of a secret winning edge was keeping it that way.

Whilst I have the utmost respect for the op and believe him without reservation, I must point out that the only proven pro punter on BetFair was Baulked, who shirley must be remembered by all the old timers. He never had a losing selection-that's right-NEVER! There was a waiting list of years for membership to his Baulked Line. He retired to the Bahamas to  enjoy the rest of his days sipping pina coladas  by the swimming pool of his luxury 5 star hotel, served by a bevy of dusky maidens.


I hope this clarifies the matter

Nov 20, 2014 -- 2:03PM, judorick wrote:

getting a serious discussion on here is very rareeven rarer in these circumstances, better off not bothering sonny

I think I'll take your advice mate

Geoff,

A blind man on a galloping horse can see where he wanted to go with this.

Nov 20, 2014 -- 2:16PM, geoff m wrote:

If we accept the fact that you have had 1,000 winning trades in a row(which 99%plus) dont, WTF would you want to come on here and help others/share with your competitors.Its no point in you discussing trading with others as you obviously cant learn anything from anybody seeing as you are so successfullCorrect me if im wrong but i allways thought the best part of a secret winning edge was keeping it that way.

Because believe it or not, I wanted to have a discussion and maybe help a few people out. We are all in the same boat here, but I guess nobody gives a damn

I have a goose that ive found a secret way for it to lay golden eggs.
As a businees model going forward what should I do:
1) Keep the goose and maximise the profits keeping the rarity value of the eggs?
2) Sell the goose?
3) Contact all other goose owners and share my experience?

what's going on 'ere? Has someone found the Grail?

I have a goose that I've found lays normal eggs.
What do I do?
1) Ring the Daily Mail and tell them it lays golden eggs, get them to print it, but provide no proof.

geoff, do you pay PC on these 'golden eggs' and, if so, how much last week? 

Yer cant do that Darlo thasts a con!

Silly me!

and the people who bought your eggs have been shown how to breed their own, so your business is going kaput!

Mr PTS92 reminds me of my early naïve days in gambolling.Peopul wood share ideas and information. But Mr 92- you really must realise that you must not give your edge away. There are sharks on here ready to devour any minnows that go floating by. BetFair is based on 1 against 1. You might be betting against me directly, but you would not know it. Keep your edge to yourself. If you are genuine- make enough in a few years to buy everything your heart desires and then stop. Be good to your family and friends and also give a bit to charidees. You will of had a worthwhile life benefitting yourself and others. But if you are not genuine and have given yourself false hope, you are destined for a gambollers life of misery, delusion, frustration and despair.

I hope this further clarifies the matter!

Sam, please post your PC charges and then perhaps people will be more willing to engage with you.

You must understand that it's hard to believe you have strung such a sequence together, but that you didn't know there was a Betfair radio channel, or that you screwed up a trade put in place purely to watch a race on live video. It's just all so implausible!

However, perhaps you could kick-start a more useful discussion by telling us the most valuable things you have learned over the past year or so that helped you become so successful...

Think he has learned a lot in the last 24 hours Tom.

Nov 20, 2014 -- 2:37PM, tomdeane wrote:

Sam, please post your PC charges and then perhaps people will be more willing to engage with you.You must understand that it's hard to believe you have strung such a sequence together, but that you didn't know there was a Betfair radio channel, or that you screwed up a trade put in place purely to watch a race on live video. It's just all so implausible!However, perhaps you could kick-start a more useful discussion by telling us the most valuable things you have learned over the past year or so that helped you become so successful...

Absolutely Tom, it would be my pleasure to put this thread to its intended use (that includes me not posting any further personal details such as PC charges etc). First and foremost I would recommend recording your trading in order to assess where things went right, and also where they may have gone wrong. If your only source of learning is during real-time trading, a lot of information may be missed and therefore having evidence to watch back really makes a big difference in gaining an understanding of how the market moves and why. The second, but equally as important step, was learning to accept my losses. And yes, there was PLENTY of them in the beginning. It took the better part of a year to train myself to simply click take that initial loss rather than hoping and praying that it may come back down into the green. Finally sticking with a method that works, as opposed to switching between multiple as soon as one, or multiple, trades go against you. If you come across an edge in the market, STUDY, STUDY, STUDY how and if you can develop that into a long-term, profitable method

Sam,

You said you'd posted your last post on this forum two hours ago, what changed ?

A foolproof system that he wants to share with everyone. ROTFLMAO!! No lemmings on this board so GET LOST.

I am extremely thick and an imbecile ProTraderSpam, could you please add up your figures/p and l for the 17th of November on the forum for me?

Apologies had to go and feed the goose.
Sam
It took the better part of a year to train myself to simply click take that initial loss rather than hoping and praying that it may come back down into the green.
Where does that fit in the 1,000 plus consecutive winning trades.

duncan idaho
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must admit, if i'd made between £30-£480 on 1,017 consecutive markets i'd be getting blown by a couple of redheads right now...certainly wouldnt be shooting the breeze on here!



themover
20 Nov 14 14:25
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what's going on 'ere? Has someone found the Grail?

protradersam
did you see my earlier advisory post to you?
You shouldn't assume that forumites are numpties because they challenge you.
You should be humble and also post your evidence (as reasonably asked for by some) if you want to engage them.
We have had numerous charlatans on here (Brimardon being the charlatanist in my opinion).
They are generally a good lot in my experience.
HTH

Nov 20, 2014 -- 2:22PM, ProTraderSam92 wrote:

Nov 20, 2014 --  2:16PM, geoff m wrote:If we accept the fact that you have had 1,000 winning trades in a row(which 99%plus) dont, WTF would you want to come on here and help others/share with your competitors.Its no point in you discussing trading with others as you obviously cant learn anything from anybody seeing as you are so successfullCorrect me if im wrong but i allways thought the best part of a secret winning edge was keeping it that way.Because believe it or not, I wanted to have a discussion and maybe help a few people out. We are all in the same boat here, but I guess nobody gives a damn

you 'wanted  to have a discussion'  thats rubbish. Not sure such an impulse even exists - and if it does, you'd already have done : after all one one does not announce one is about to speak, one just does it .

Bang to Rights.

penny's dropped..it's windsor boy innit 

just saw memememe's post, it's right - you got the hump way too early to create an impression of sincerity.  You went looking for it.  Humility a key word, and a component of successful undertakings.

warwick just text


foydsc

I am extremely thick and an imbecile ProTraderSpam, could you please add up your figures/p and l for the 17th of November on the forum for me? Or 17th Nov '14 P&L may be preferable?
I await your response.

he's gone. account cloedf.

It took the better part of a year to train myself to simply click take that initial loss rather than hoping and praying that it may come back down into the green.

How have you managed to go from that strategy, into never having a losing trade?

desperatemunter
you have promoted me ... I have now got 4 me's.
I'm a 4 me general!

Sam so once youve converted everyone to your system and turned every loser into a winner who will you actually win money from?




Bad news whilst p!ssing about posting on here a sly fox has nipped round the back and necked me goose.

I am extremely thick and an imbecile ProTraderSpam, could you please add up your figures/p and l for the 17th of November on the forum for me? Or 17th Nov '14 P&L may be preferable?
I await your response.
17th Nov '14 P&L may be even more preferable

I'm convinced he is iquitmyjob, he has the same manner

that does look like 2004 rather than 2014 on screenshot but those meetings didnt take place on Nov 17 2004 

I'd never even noticed that until then!

Do the figures add up?

What a journey though. Reminds me of the days when Skippy the Bush Kangaroo was on our screens.

buzzer, it's 10 markets in that summary and only 9 are in the screenshot, that's why it doesn't add up

i can't read it very well but i reckon his missing one is a minus if i have read it close to right

i havenot even looked at screenshot...good work lads....get detective ngu on the case ....he will crack it....i remember iquit....didnot think he was a preracer

How do you post a screenshot? I'll show you lot the last 3 hours P&L

http://www.juicestorm.com/news-and-current-affairs/10000-a-day-with-betfair/ 

And who in their right mind thinks I will post my secrets on here??

If you want to know how to post a screenshot I suggest you look at you opening post

FFS Janov, haven't you got a job to go to?

Your secrets FOYDC

The hole gets deeper and deeper, he's a persistent young devil though.

I am knew hear. Does FOYDC stand for Forgive Our Young Deluded Clown?

I think we should be told.
Thank you in advance!

How do you post a screenshot?

can i give you some genuine advice, take it or leave it

firstly, if you want to make a claim, back it up - if you post a screenshot it needs to be relevant (so 1000 trades won should have something resembling that not one afternoon and a few races)

secondly, you are preaching to the very people that you are trying to win money from, this is an exchange and the liquidity is either yours or ours

finally, by your own admission, you've just begun to make it pay, this advice is the bit you should take notice of - if you think you've made it believe me you have a lot to learn, everytime you think you have an edge you'll see it disappear and if it doesn't betfair have a convenient way of taking it off you, don't get cocky you'll need a new edge soon

.........and learn how to count

or get a better rod

It looks like Sam's gone, three hours after he said he had made his last post on this forum.

Yeap, those suit wearing bastards put it in one hand and take it out the other Sam, Elise is right, they will fu ck you at some point.... "this donkey right here is winning money?!?!, who the hell does that donkey think it is, we shall give him the PC and charge 70%, that shall teach Mr Donkey"... fu cked, nailed and quartered, they pull down your pants and they fu ck you.

Sad but very true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjVsjIySUo

This is what they do, they fu ck you big time. bend over and get FUC KED!!!!

Trading


Studying a trade


Night time university.



Eeeeez a busy geezer ineeeeeee

HorseB you seem obsessed with pants down, bend over and getting fcuked today, Please stop as I'm hearing your posts in A Kirbys voice and its unsettling, TY.

be thankful he took down his mr bean image

It completely f00ks your memory tho Ban.19th Nov posts screen shot come 20th hes forgotten how to do it!
Makes you wonder how he remembered to keep trading successfully on a 1,000 plus consecutive occassions.
Whats his profit for the 3:00 plumpton my eyes arent the greatest but looks like -0.07 to me.

I think he went to a boarding school gut

Johnny Mustang has today explained the reason for Burger's unsavoury obsession, 1.01 Johnny's right.

Fair point Elise.

not many threads go over 200 posts in a day, he has certainly been a bit of entertainment

Pros don`t waste their time on forums when racing is on.

A contender for thread of the year

I will be starting a new thread with todays P&L as soon as the screenshot is 'approved by an admin'

Or if someone could explain how to add a screenshot to a reply, that'd save a lot of time

Got my screenshot sorted

what about a PC portal screenshot ?

pretty sure it's moet thru a straw - not a squirrel

squirrel

wtf is it then ?

brown bear ffs

did you drink the plonk instead of the squirrel?

Updated thread made

page 3 ....ngu

zipper • November 19, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
king after 4.00 clock  .. my secretary post for me   ..( king the secretary here... Elizabeth )
whats your point...  zip has just left with Susan  for a night out //  he will be back about 9.30