"Claimants should pick up litter" - Nigel Farage

I in no way support UKIP but I think there is a strong argument for some sort of work to be done for the long term unemployed.

It would call it "Community Development", it would just be 4 hours per day (5 days) a week and would involve, clearing up community areas, tidy elderly peoples gardens and properties, removing graffiti, assisting at feedbacks or charity shops, etc.

It is not the work they do, it is just to get them in the mindset of getting up each day and contributing.  4 hours still gives plenty of time for job seeking and application.

I really believe that if I had not worked for 6 months, I would be going crazy and would welcome the activities and camaraderie of working with others... but perhaps that is just me.

I thought the present government said something similar when they came into power. Probably forgotten like most things Mp's say.

I expect Duncan-Smith said it just before the last election to get a few votes.

Working for 6 months drove me crazy, Swardean, not unemployment.

How many Tories and secret Tories ie farage, have shares in private healthcare companies,there ruining the nhs for there own self serving interests.horrible bastards

Farage is reiterating tory policies of the 1980s;in those days they had a YOPS scheme whereby the unemployed youth carried out community projects such as picking up litter and weeding the church graveyard.This sort of work benefits everyone and only God knows why it was ever disbanded. I'm looking forward to Farage's next announcement which i expect will bring back the 'short sharp shock' treatment for young criminals.Clearly Ukip and Scottish Nationalists will  be the biggest minority parties at Westminster next May which i expect will end up with a tory/Ukip coalition.

There are thousands of long term dole merchants who have no intention to even look for a job,let alone start one. Unless there is a confirmed medical condition as to why they can't work,their benefits should be removed,after being given 3 months notice that it would be happening

posy,

Do you know what the latest odds are for the general election ?

Tory / UKIP coalition? pmsl, that is one of the least likely post election outcomes

yes...what's your point ?

the point is that UKIP won't have anywhere near enough seats to be able to form a coalition with anyone, that's why the Con-UKIP coalition you predict is 17 to lay

Are there prices available for the various coalition options ?, I believe Labour are odds on for an outright victory.

no, NO overall majority is odds on

15 to lay...con/lib dem is 17.You may be right about number of ukip seats but i'm not so certain; expect them to do better than predicted.

well I expect them to do much worse than expected

Yes judorick,

Labour majority 11/4
Conservative majority 4/1
Labour / Lib Dem coalition - 4/1
Conservative Lib Dem coalition - 4/1

Agree, the work shy i.e.6 months and no job should do community work for their free money from the Govt unless they have a medical exemption

Maybe after picking the litter up the long term unemployed should be made to march through the streets so people can jeer and throw things at them.

I'm sure johnny can lobby his MP friend to get the ball rolling.

Unless something drastic happens over the next six months there are 3 options,forget liberals they are fecked.
This leaves labour/snp wont happen because wee sturgeon will be demanding another referendum.
Labour/ukip highly unlikely.
tory/ukip  most plausible and most likely

I think he'd be kicked out of the party if he listened to me Holywell!

Maybe some of the fascist morons on here should spend 4 hours a day picking up litter themselves which would leave less time for them to post such reactionary nonsense on this forum? Just a thought...

There have always been people in society who don't want to work and as long as they are not living in luxury I have no problem with them receiving basic benefits to get by leaving more jobs for people who wish to work.

I don't know why they don't offer more pressing encouragement to find work. 6 months free dole money, so they can have a nice easy time watching Jezza on the box and hanging out with mates on street corners... happy times, then after the 6 months is up they will get an arbitrary free 25 lashes in the stocks by a worker picked at random through a national lottery type draw. Then they would be allowed another 3 months of free money and once again at deadline day they would be entitled to 50 free lashes. I would have no objections what so ever, some may even enjoy the free perks.

cobs101 13 Nov 14 19:31 Joined: 04 Jun 07 | Topic/replies: 281 | Blogger: cobs101's blog
Maybe some of the fascist morons on here should spend 4 hours a day picking up litter themselves which would leave less time for them to post such reactionary nonsense on this forum? Just a thought...

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So the people of this Country that pick up litter for a full time job are overworked..

The likes of you that describe people that want the unemployed to work are facist morons..

The worst thing that ever happened in this country was the Social Media..

I would limit access to it to those that were in work and paid the necessary NI..

Block the morons that come out with sh ite....

They get lazy and become incapable of work, that's the problem

fife 13 Nov 14 20:45 Joined: 11 Nov 10 | Topic/replies: 680 | Blogger: fife's blog
There have always been people in society who don't want to work and as long as they are not living in luxury I have no problem with them receiving basic benefits to get by leaving more jobs for people who wish to work.


You are a moron....

Why shouldn't they pick up litter. They are leeches on this country,too lazy to get out of bed and do a days work,they just ponce off people who are prepared to work. Stop their benefits and they would soon get a job

mirosoo if you lock them in stocks and give them 24 lashes ,m.ps from all partys will join the litter pickers ,free lashes and humiliation wild horses wouldn't stop them !

The unemployed aren't too embarrassed or feel degraded picking up their benefits do they, so why is it degrading to DO SOMETHING for their money?

FOYLESWAR 13 Nov 14 21:47 Joined: 09 Jan 11 | Topic/replies: 7,848 | Blogger: FOYLESWAR's blog
mirosoo if you lock them in stocks and give them 24 lashes ,m.ps from all partys will join the litter pickers ,free lashes and humiliation wild horses wouldn't stop them !

Not much you can say about that...

Has he ever worked.

and homefortea you are a prick who will probably pick up a ban in the next few weeks.

And you are just the type to "sneak" on me..

King of Dubai 13 Nov 14 21:56 Joined: 27 May 07 | Topic/replies: 2,341 | Blogger: King of Dubai's blog
Can't you english **** off over to chit chat if you want to spunk all over the Daily Fail.

LaughLaughLaughLaugh

Point taken but I would never read that paper..

Too left wing for my liking...

I am sure due to your popularity on here there will be plenty of people in front of me

25 and 50 free lashes is nothing to be sniffed at, telling you it's a vote winner!

Miliband should be put in Broadmoor. Balls, Cooper and the rest to.
Farage talks the talk as did Clegg before the last election. That's when all the promises they knew they couldn't keep came back to haunt them. They talk bolx. Country is on the way back now. Ask the rest of Europe. Why? Reality is the Tories are streets ahead of the others. Thirteen years of an incompetent bunch of clowns headed by Blair and Brown. What makes you Labour voters think idiotic Miliband can do better? Oh yes, you have always voted Labour, your parents, grandparents............... .....    zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

   Please don't bother replying if you are going to start talking about the Tories only bothering about the rich. That old chestnut has done the rounds too often and is utter bull****. Good night all. I have to get some sleep now as I have to work tomorrow. I must remember to rev my car engine when driving through the predominantly Labour voter occupied estate on my way to work. They need waking up to watch Jeremy Kyle. Then again ,they will probably   still be asleep when I am doing my return journey!!!

Yep EVILROYSLADE, can always tell the class of the people you deal with by how they vote.
Labour --- workshy, layabouts, council dwellers and not very bright.
Tory ----- Good looking, great manners, impeccable breeding, hard working and smart.

Pair of dickheads

Cufcno 1.   Your response just proves my point. No doubt a  simpleton.

Back to the original point....  Why is it unacceptable to expect someone on long term unemployment (who is more than capable of work), to contribute 20 hours of their time a week to their community in exchange for their benefits?

I am not sure who loses in this situation?

I would not want a claimant to come near me, or my litter.

That's surely the point Deano, people were more self reliant fifty years ago !


The fact we bring in migrant labour to do ''menial'' jobs because we have a percentage of the population who, with government cart blanche consciously ''play the system'' is utterly ridiculous !


But, I'm also for the ''living wage'' & affordable rents, which should imvho be capped !

People on benefits think it is their right to receive. In  cases where someone has worked and contributed, then that is certainly their right. Others who treat the system with contempt and constantly bleat about their plight should be made to work in one way or another. If that means cleaning up graffiti or picking up litter then so be it. Truth is, they WANT to be kept! Nobody will convince me otherwise!  They even refer to their handouts as "Wages!" Vote for a Labour government and you will certainly have those lazy bstds cheering and whooping with delight. The UK has clawed its way back from the brink. Don't allow yourselves to be duped with the promise of great times for all under Miliband and his tribe of clowns. They will undoubtedly wreck any chance we have of a continued climb out of the abyss. To all prospective Labour voters I ask one thing. Convince me in any way that a Labour vote is anything other than an ante TORY vote! Tell me what Ed and his band of imbeciles will do for the UK that will benefit anyone in the long run. I might suggest you have more chance of forecasting next years Cheltenham Festival results in full!

Question to  posters who object to those who are reliant on taxpayers money to fund their lifestyle by being obliged to pick up litter and weeding the graveyards. What should the unemployed do to contribute to society ?

Oh my god, I must be getting old.   Always have been left wing and Labour voter and now on this thread, I am agreeing to...

* reduce welfare state for long term unemployed
* introduce short, sharp shock for youth offenders (certainly beats the badge of hour ASBO!)


While we are on it, lets bring back national service

Older and wiser maybe Sward old chap?

'I might suggest you have more chance of forecasting next years Cheltenham Festival results in full'.

Yes Roy, that's what we should be discussing on this forum.

You are entitled to your opinion on the political front, I'm sure there will be many agree with you and similarly many will disagree with you. When I vote in May I certainly won't be reviewing the Betfair racing forum to help me decide where to put my cross.

swardean...excellent idea to bring back national service....and i'd like to see Borstals brought back too.

Posy - you are the only person on here who makes me look left wing!

I will start us off then Holy. Sprinter Sacre will be back and will win The Queen Mother.

Yes Posy and EVILROYSLADE, whilst we are on a roll, benefits should not be paid in cash but a voucher than can be exchanged for a weekly food parcel at any supermarket.

It will only contain healthy food (no turkey twislers) and stop them spvcking their cash up the wall.   If they want to eat McDonalds, etc they will need to get a job.

Another incentive to get them off benefits and also solves the obesity crisis as well

I hope you're right Roy, I have the winner of the Champion hurdle, no surprises here - 'Jezki'.

Let's also have their electricity and gas cut off between the hours of 9:00am-5:00pm so they won't be able to lounge around at home watching Jeremy Kyle. Might force a few of them down to the Job Centre.

Correct Sward. Benefits should not fund a booze and **** bill. Nor should it pay for Sky TV and the latest IPhone contract. Saw enough watching that Benefits Street shambles on TV. Sat there, effing and blinding, cursing the state that keeps them whilst guzzling their Special Brew!!!

Holy! Thats two sorted. Need two more for a huge Yankee!

JM. Evil JM. Has a ring to it!

Can't say fgas on here? Ciggies then!!!

JM i certainly don't consider myself either left or right wing...i'm merely a rational human being

A very good point Posy. Good , sound rationality.

I now have the Gold Cup winner, Holywell.

Faugheen World Hurdle!! Thats the Yankee.  Hope we are bumping this thread come March Holy!

And finally Bonito Du Berlais for the Triumph Hurdle.

That's 9/4, 5/1, 10/1 & 14/1, all prices Paddy Power.

Roy,

I'm looking even further ahead now, Mullins is aiming Sure Reef at the 2015 Northumberland Plate, Mr Wylie would love to win the race, keep this one to yourself.

Excellent example of the British psyche. We've been raped and robbed by politicians and bankers for ever and the country is in massive debt for decades due to these people.
How shall we make the country viable again? Make dossers pick litter up, rofl.

Agreed saddo,

Politics is infested in all parties by some particularly horrible people.

Now let get back to discussing horse racing, oh, just a thought so is racing.

Vote Labour, in another 5 years you will get this regurgitated note

The former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, has reignited criticism of Labour's stewardship of the economy with a note for his successor which said "there's no money left".

Laws told reporters: "When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.

"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said: 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting."

The Low Wage economy is a Tory dreamland for them. Their supporters who own firms that employ these low wage earners are supported by the Tax Credit system to acquire cheap labour. If not local then bussed in from Eastern Europe to fill the gaps. Housing Benefit similarly lines the pockets of Tory landlords and encourages high rents.

The solution would be decent wages for all and rent caps, which they have in USA the home of the Free Economy.

Shirly picking up  litter IS A JOB....6 months on the dole=no job=.....Then pick up litter FOR A WAGE...Full time.

(Plenty of TRASH in London).

Street sweepers are ditching their brooms for state-of-the-art ‘vacuum cleaners’.

The three-wheeled machines, which cost £13,000 each, are already being used on the streets of Worthing.

The gadgets, called Gluttons, are estimated to be four times more productive than manual sweeping.

They are petrol-powered but started by a battery meaning they are also quiet.

The manufacturer claims the Glutton is no louder than 68 decibels, about the same as a domestic vacuum cleaner.

Worthing Borough Council drafted them in as part of its bid to keep the town tidy.

They are especially useful in cleaning hard to reach areas such as behind benches and under hedges.

Waste is collected in the machine's 240-litre tank from where it can be dumped into bins or a larger collection vehicle.

Councillor Bryan (CORR) Turner, cabinet member for a clean and green environment, said: “Street sweepers have certainly come a long way from their 'turn of the last century' roots.

“They look unusual and certainly don't look like the usual sweeper on the street.

“It makes sense for us to invest £26,000 in these sweepers as we like to keep the town centre as clean as possible for our visitors and businesses alike.

“But the public must play their part too. If they didn't dump the litter, we wouldn't have to pick up after them.

“We don't like to prosecute litter droppers but instead try to prevent people from littering in the first place through our education programme.”

The Gluttons are the latest addition to the town's litter-busting tactics, which includes more than 500 bins and 300 dog mess bins across the town.

Not cheap cleaning up betting slips.

I'd be surprised if there were not plenty of extremely lazy people who actually have jobs. The sort of people who perhaps amuse themselves by having a go at people not quite so fortunate as themselves.

How many people making sweeping judgements have actually had any experience of claiming benefits? I suspect it isn't quite as easy as suggested to continue claiming benefits and making no effort to get a job.

Some just fill their faces and arms with tattoos to avoid getting a job. That usually does the trick.

My mate use dto be on the dole, he's now a happily employed Street hygene technician, I guess he'll be back on the dole again if UKIP ever get into power? Mind you he is as anglo saxon as they come, Farage was only talking about ethnics I bet...

I never cease to have total admiration for the propaganda machine in this country that leads to the electorate always pointing the finger at the lowest in the chain as being the source of the country's problems while conveniently ignoring the top of the pile.There are some very clever and manipulative people involved in the process.

The country is shagged from the top down,from the greedy bankers who bought the country to its knees,to the dole merchants who just ponce off the dole and have no intention of getting a job

Pretty easy really, Saritamer, just keep feeding them tabloid comics to the unthinking masses, they even pay for it.

as part of the jobseekers agreement you have to look for work full time-37 hours per week.If they pick litter they'll get sanctioned+lose benefits.

Saddo - "Excellent example of the British psyche. We've been raped and robbed by politicians and bankers for ever and the country is in massive debt for decades due to these people.
How shall we make the country viable again? Make dossers pick litter up"

That's IT in a nutsac mate...just how the fcuk have they managed to brainwash the majority into overlooking THEIR legalised fraud whilst demanding zero tolerance on the deadbeat society that are scamming loose change in comparison

I remember nearly 20 years ago Chris Morris had a map of Britian in a hospital bed with a thermometer stuck in it...how prophetic - the country is ILL

Brendrew, there are a lot more than 37 hours in the week.

plenty of "benefiteers" in and around the houses of parliament let them showa bit of humility and pick up litter,or the bankers that committed fraud again recently and no action taken give it to them to re-pay in someway,not effin likely always stampon those at the bottom of the pile.

The amount of benefit given as JSA is small compared tothe  benefits given to those actually in work in the form of  Working Tax credits and Housing benefit.  The low wage economy is only sustainable this way, its flawed.  Targeting the obviously workshy may make people feel better but will not make a blind bit of difference.

However it is a nice distraction for the masses.

Targeting the workshy would also be morally just. The lazy should  not be given a free ride simply because it makes little difference. It makes a great difference! The comparison with the robbing bankers IS justified. They too should be forced to repay but in a monetary fashion plus forced work. No chance of any of it happening  though.

We were at a seaside resort and there was a vanload of youths doing community service picking up litter on the seafront and beach.
They then returned to the van to eat a lunch that they appeared to be given. As they munched away they threw their litter out the van windows.

Farage may have a boat like a horse but his utterances are akin to what is excreted at the other end. Like some others who have contributed, I am frequently amazed and horrified by how many people are taken in by this pernicious nonsense. Some claimants are taking the piss but the vast majority are not. Some immigrants are benefit spongers - they are in a minority. One or two Muslims are murderous zealots - the overwhelming majority are as disgusted as the rest of us. Wise up - tales of folk making positive contributions do not sell newspapers or promote policies.

Indian Castle and Baradari for the weekend features.

It makes a great difference!

It makes people feel good but what actual difference to peoples lives does it make?

It makes the workshy realise they have to do something for their keep! It makes those who work their blx off to earn a living feel LESS like a mug. I would feel less hostile to the lager swilling tracksuit dosser if he had bought the can he drinks in the street at ten am, IF HE HAD BOUGHT IT FROM AN EARNED WAGE!

Victor. I said something similar in an earlier post. Not all claimants are users. Those that have contributed deserve their benefits.

I'm sure if there was live birching of the workshy on tv many people would love it....but it wouldn't help pay their rent, it wouldn't get them a decent secure job...but its a nice distraction.

I think people tend to forget about the poverty of body/mind/soul of most of those at the bottom of the pile born into an environment devoid of the basic criteria required to even make an attempt at getting a foot onto the first foot of the ladder,no one to open doors for them no one to look out for and be of help for them,more or less humiliated and castigated,how many of our "honourable members" would make it under the same circumstances,when they spout this s--t they should produce their,s and their family,s cv,s,not many if any from "kitchen sink estates" I,ll vouch.

the 1% are pissing themselves stupid at the minions arguing amongst themselves about which deserve their meagre, subsistence level incomes and which are worthless scum that should starve to death

meanwhile corporations (and the billionsaires that own them) pay poverty wages, subsidised by actual tax payers, which allows them to make vast profits and, thanks to the current, have at least 100 new vehicles since 2010 by which they can ship ALL the profit offshore without paying a single penny in tax on it AND manage not to have the subject form any significant part of debate in the country

fcuk me, that is some trick to pull off

Workshy! Workshy!The clue is in the title. I don't care how the WORKSHY PAY THEIR RENT. Anyone who refuses work simply because they are workshy deserves NOTHING .

I don't care how the WORKSHY PAY THEIR RENT

I didn't mean the workshy paying their rent.  I meant the guy working 60 hours a week on minimum wage and still having to claim working tax credits and housing benefit.

The sysstem cleverly makes em feel like non claimants, "credits" instead of "benefits".

Eggsactly...call benefits credit and its Ok.

when they are in work they should be called 'wage subsidies' and employers that don't pay enough should be named

Amazon et al love "credits"

Sometimes I find it hard to believe that this forum is no a site based on pure Capitalist principles..

Betting on here should require you to be single minded and above all greedy.

However the usual left wing bigots come on and have a pop at the successful and defend the lazy and feckless..

Do any of them bet or do they just infiltrate forums Worldwide with their nonsense.

Thin and Crispy wants the birch reintroduced...well so do I.
I'd also propose the State should only pay benefits to the workshy in return for them agreeing to be sterilised or undergo a vasectomy.Whilst some liberals might not embrace this idea straight away if they stop to think about it the result would do away with the dregs of society within a generation ...so what's not to like.

And for every filthy tattoo they have they should forfeit a full week's benefit. That will crystallise their thoughts next time they abuse their (already) grubby body.

All classes' below working class should be exterminated, if you don't work you die !