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barry dennis
28 Oct 14 09:52
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betting ring pitch allocation. Jim Cremin racing post, "Scanlon explained he was advised by consultant Steve Clare, and part of the remit was to ensure a strong market, but also to include local firms who could gaurantee being able to reach the Essex course when the weather was poor"

sadly, even though in my application I advised them I live 10 mins from the course I was not considered suitable for the top 16
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Report dambuster October 28, 2014 8:59 AM GMT
Don't worry barry, in 6 months time, they'll be 6 bookies left, and they'll asking you .
Report dambuster October 28, 2014 9:00 AM GMT
They'll "be"asking you
Report Deltâ October 28, 2014 9:02 AM GMT
if the weather is that poor the bookie cant get there, no chance the horses arriving imo ..
Report foxy October 28, 2014 9:05 AM GMT
I thought betfred was Manchester based that's not local is it ?
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 9:20 AM GMT
Outside the number:-

9) Paul Wilkinson

10) Michael Campbell

11) Benny Jones

12) Wayne Monaghan

13) Keith Puddick

14) Greg Harriott

15) Martin Bailey

16) Richard Liles


Some of the most "knowledgeable bookmakers" in the land!

God help them if the 'machine' goes down!

Laugh
Report dambuster October 28, 2014 9:21 AM GMT
Oh well, I only live 10 min away , so I'll be taking my I phone with me if that's what I'm up against
Report dambuster October 28, 2014 9:22 AM GMT
You'll be telling me Brian Hazell is on there next,
He's local , if he has a plane
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 9:23 AM GMT
dambuster • October 28, 2014 9:21 AM GMT
Oh well, I only live 10 min away , so I'll be taking my I phone with me if that's what I'm up against


Laugh
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 9:31 AM GMT
Barry, it's a travesty that you were not in 'the 8'!

Love

Skinto
Report Stow_judge October 28, 2014 9:54 AM GMT
What did we learn from this? That Barry Dennis does not know how to copy & paste and his spelling is dodgy.

One-year deal for eight layers at Chelmsford

CHELMSFORD CITY, which stages the first of 58 fixtures in 2015 on Sunday, January 11, has confirmed its betting ring line-up for the opening year of operations.
Joe Scanlon of Betfred, who is chairman of the new racecourse, a joint venture between Betfred and Bet Solutions International, said: "We were keen to establish the course in the first year and allow people to work out the real value of pitches, so we have entered a one-year deal with the eight bookmakers listed.
"It's probably not well known but Fred Done's father was a racecourse bookie in the ‘bad old/good old days', so he has always had an affinity with the ring. Fred wants this to work for everyone so the only initial charge will be five times the admission, less than any other track, which covers the entrance for the bookmaker and a workman. Next year we will invite tenders and pitches will go to the highest bidders."
Scanlon explained he was advised by consultant Steve Clare, and part of the remit was to ensure a strong market, but also to include local firms who could guarantee being able to reach the Essex course when the weather was poor. Scanlon is also looking at a system whereby bookmakers who cannot attend give notice, so reserve layers can take up the opportunity.
The former temporary grandstand at what used to be Great Leighs is being replaced by a permanent structure at a cost of £6 million. Like the old stand, it is situated on the inside of the course.

Scanlon said: "From the steppings there will be a clear view from the last turn, some two and a half furlongs from home. It will also feature a high-level restaurant, operated by local caterers Graysons, which has a panoramic view of the course."
The all-weather track, the only purpose-built one in Britain, was always popular with trainers and prize-money levels are set to be good. "Arc proved good prize-money attracts good horses and huge crowds with its Good Friday showcase of finals at Lingfield," Scanlon said.
Chelmsford also has a ten-year media rights deal with SIS. Done's shareholding in SIS rose to 14 per cent after he acquired the Tote.
Star Sports was one of many firms disappointed at not getting an opportunity to bet there, but owner Ben Keith plans to bid for a pitch when it comes up.
In his regular blog he is cynical about the appearance of Ladbrokes and Hills on the list, but added: "I take this opportunity to wish the six successful independent applicants the very best of luck. I think the big days there will be just that, and I hope you all get a nice few quid.
"Fred Done is a man that is an inspiration to every independent bookmaker in the country. Self-made, he has kicked on, and also kicked The Firms [the big three] in the balls at every opportunity!"
Report barry dennis October 28, 2014 10:01 AM GMT
sorry I haven't mastered how to copy and paste, also that spelling guarantee was incorrect. would that have affected my application
Report Stow_judge October 28, 2014 10:06 AM GMT
I would not think so. Perhaps your brown envelope was a touch light.
Report johnnywilkinson October 28, 2014 11:05 AM GMT
LOOKING AT THE TOP 8.....I HOPE NOBODY CRACKS A JOKE
Report johnnywilkinson October 28, 2014 11:07 AM GMT
BE ABOUT AS AMUSING AS WATCHING PAINT DRY
Report democrat October 28, 2014 11:43 AM GMT
In the business world unsuccessful applicants for a job can ask for and expect an explanation as to the reasons they were were not appointed. I suspect that particular right will not apply in this case. I suspect it would be difficult to differentiate between the various merits of the applicants outside the 'High Street set' and therefore the methodology used to determine the 16 named positions remains open to conjecture but probably some string pulling might have played a part. Genuine unsuccessful aspirants should start making plans to ensure their bids succeed in twelve months time when the sole criteria will be 'how much are you prepared to pay ?'.
Report democrat October 28, 2014 11:45 AM GMT
'were  were' = 'were' oops ! This post discounted on grounds of lack of proof reading ! Scared
Report DONEITHERE October 28, 2014 11:49 AM GMT
Must admit there are some miserable buggers amongst that 8 . The pity is that factmachine is not on the list to liven it up a bit but some goon wailing bigger than the machine at the top of his voice is probably not seen as advantageous to the  home firms business ethic .
Report adge October 28, 2014 1:26 PM GMT
I don't see why an eloquently worded request as to why an applicant was overlooked[ particularly locally based ] should not warrant a reasoned reply
Report factmachine October 28, 2014 1:33 PM GMT
DONEITHERE,AS ONE OF BRITAINS LEADING COMMISSION AGENTS AND EWAY FLIMPERS IM ASTOUNDED YOUR NOT ON THE LISTShocked
Report Stow_judge October 28, 2014 1:34 PM GMT
How local are those that are actually on the list?
Report factmachine October 28, 2014 1:34 PM GMT
AS FOR "ENSURE A STRONG MARKET" BETFRED NUMBER ONE!LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report tictactoe October 28, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
No Corals?
Report tictactoe October 28, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
Oh sorry, did not see strong market.
Report factmachine October 28, 2014 1:39 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report tictactoe October 28, 2014 1:44 PM GMT
Is there any linking up allowed?
Report democrat October 28, 2014 3:16 PM GMT
'Eloquently worded request' - where can you get one of those adge ? Wink I have heard one omitted party has taken his rejection as 'a personal insult' - his pride might never recover !!! Whoops
Report gills nut October 28, 2014 5:04 PM GMT
For one of those books its a minimum 4hr round trip Crazy
Report ThirdTimeLucky October 28, 2014 6:11 PM GMT
I'm sure one of the top 8 has probably tabled a motion in parliament as to why he's only got one pitch and not 5 of them.
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
Ooh, You Are Awful, But I Like You!

Laugh
Report homefortea October 28, 2014 7:08 PM GMT
Feck me is the bald knocker appointing the judge as well......

There will be more Stewards Inquiries and amended results than ever before.

Rancid operation and to site the Grandstand in the middle of the course shows how much thought has gone into it....
Report foxy October 28, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
the owner of the track betting in pick one that could be the start of a slippery slope.
Report paulie wallnuts October 28, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
Anybody know who the 8 actually are?.......
Report homefortea October 28, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
Pick one will have a restriction of sp only and no each-way so pick two will be a millionaire.....

The bald knocker will not take a bet so why has he got a pitch.....
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
paulie wallnuts • October 28, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
Anybody know who the 8 actually are?.......


1) Betfred

2) John White

3) Ladbrokes

4) Mel Attreed

5) Hills

6) Barry Johnson

7) Ed Thompson

8) Joe O'Gorman
Report paulie wallnuts October 28, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
Thank you Norfolk mafia.....
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 28, 2014 9:33 PM GMT
Love
Report democrat October 28, 2014 11:40 PM GMT
Crumbs skinto has got something right at last ! Ooops that should read Norfolk. The precedent being set by  the course owner having a pitch in the ring is debatable whether it is a conflict of interests is for the individual to decide.
Report Thegamestraightlol October 29, 2014 7:09 AM GMT
Another course you wont want to have a bet at = Barry you had result not getting a pick , as you would not be able to shout out honest prices like those in top 6 !!!
CryCry
Report Lightbulbs Fan Club October 29, 2014 7:44 AM GMT
The SPs will be 2pc a runner (or more) every race....the crowd will be minimal bar perhaps Saturday nights....and after around a year Barry Johnson will have 3 of the 8 picks and the tote will have "pitches" dotted around every drinking hole...
Report lumponlarge October 29, 2014 10:08 AM GMT
The Main man is at no 7 ... Well Done Ed ... I knew you would hit the Big time.
Report zipper October 29, 2014 10:20 AM GMT
Barry they don't want boat rockers .. or anyone with a strong opinion and will lay a decent bet
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 10:44 AM GMT
zipper,

I can assure you, there are few bookmaker's in the country stronger than Ed Thompson!
Report zipper October 29, 2014 11:36 AM GMT
Norfolk, none of em are a strong has the market oh here.
Report millhouse October 29, 2014 11:48 AM GMT
The off course bookmakers are rubbing their hands together at the prospect of some serious market manipulation at Fred's track, imo, Barry - it's going to be just like Crayford.

Only those happy to play the game will need to apply...
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 11:51 AM GMT
zipper • October 29, 2014 11:36 AM GMT
Norfolk, none of em are a strong has the market oh here.


Is, as and on, not in your vocabulary?
Report the hairy hotdog October 29, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
personally i think its a joke that Barry Dennis hasnt been given a pitch if he lives only 10mins away from the track , love him or hate him its characters like him that make visiting Lingfield more enjoyable..

ive found that only thing better than backing a winner at Lingfield , is backing a winner with Barry..!!

the ring there will be all the worse for his exclusion and by the look of the list i agree with previous poster who said that his brown envelope obviously wasnt big enough..
Report nobbybarnesranoverthewrongtrip October 29, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
bd never pays out with a smile and when i asked for fractions once he told me not to beg. i didnt like that, it touched a raw nerve.
Report factmachine October 29, 2014 2:06 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Fashion Fever October 29, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
7 and 9 will lay you whatever you want
Report Topscore57 October 29, 2014 2:55 PM GMT
Does anyone know how far the track is from the train station?, walking or taxi tia.
Report Lightbulbs Fan Club October 29, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
Its 5 mins from the station by taxi on the way in, and a 30 minute walk back to the station after you have been serviced by the cartel betting into 130pc a race....
Report the hairy hotdog October 29, 2014 6:39 PM GMT
ive actually bet with most of the names on that list and once i asked for £100 @ 2/1 on a horse and walked away with my ticket only for the bookmaker to come running after me telling me id backed the wrong 2/1 chance , as there were 2 in the race. So i walked back and checked my ticket and i had backed the correct horse which i explained and then stood there while the bookmaker shouted at the guy on computer that he'd hedged my £100 onto the wrong horse..

i stood there amazed and laughing at them rowing and witnessed them strike bet after bet and the guy on the computer was duplicating every bet that was struck and i later realised that every bet he was hedging immediately on an exchange , pound for pound..!!

so for me there is no fun betting with those guys , knowing i've won £200 and knowing that theyve won £1.40 as well on my bet as they pay me out , i prefer the look on Barrys face when i know hes done his bollox..!!

there are a number on that list who i think just like saying they are bookmakers at dinner parties...

God help the punters of Chelmsford , i'll be sticking to Lingfield and Sandown..
Report factmachine October 29, 2014 7:14 PM GMT
NAME AND SHAME!
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 7:32 PM GMT
Go up to betfraud at Chelmsford City and ask for the fractions..

The reply will be that we ban anyone that even has the audacity to back a winner online and so 14/100 against you keeping an account....

Rancid operative.
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
14/100!

Cry
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
Feck me 28 mins for a bite...

Bring back some real Bookmakers

And where are the forum members..
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
Don't give up the day job!
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
I do not have one...

Take me on fella...
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 9:25 PM GMT
What at, conkers?

Laugh
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
No as a clerk at the races...
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
You'd be a million!

Trust me!
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
I am the best fella...

pm me....
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
To say what?
Report ThirdTimeLucky October 29, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
Though a member of staff from the BaldFred office at Goodwood walked up to pitch during the main meeting, asked for a tenner on an 8/1 shot and was told by the guy on the pitch he could have £3 @ 8/1 and the rest @ SP.

Sadly , it was totally lost on him.
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
Wasn't homefortea was it?
Report homefortea October 29, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
Feck me someone is taking the rise out of me...

Love it...LaughLaugh
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 10:04 PM GMT
Laugh

Love
Report Fashion Fever October 29, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
fred will have pushes for on the headline horses, specials on doubles on shortys they will have the oncourse punters dough in there sky before the first.
Report TheNorfolkMafia October 29, 2014 10:24 PM GMT
Fair point Mark!
Report Racecourse Regular October 30, 2014 9:59 AM GMT
http://bcove.me/xq2dz16t

If you look at the top tier you can just about see Ed Thompson assisting with the Grandstand construction to ensure the project is finished on time
Report icantbelieveyousaidthat October 30, 2014 12:21 PM GMT
Can't remember the full list from Great Leighs but Ed certainly deserves his place in the eight.

How many others in the eight were in the ten/twelve books who paid to bet at Great Leighs?

Which ten books will win the tendering process for 2016?
Report Fashion Fever October 30, 2014 1:12 PM GMT
hi chris

are there opens planned for yarmouth dogs in the near future ?
Report EricShunn October 30, 2014 11:51 PM GMT
If i was the age of most of the books I wouldn't be buying green bananas never mind an annual licence.   Play the ageist card for a redraw.
Report Frank Peterson C.C.F.C October 31, 2014 11:16 AM GMT
It seems to be lost on Fred Done that half the fun of going racing is to watch the bookmakers plying their trade, to decline Barry Dennis the right to work at his local track is short short sighted in the extreme, as love him or loathe him he is always great value to have in the betting ring. When i first started going racing to watch John Power (Jenkins) at the London dog tracks or Barry Dennis in the popular enclosure at Romford they enriched the experience greatly, sadly those days are gone.
Report johnnywilkinson October 31, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
I AGREE FRANK NO DESRESPECT TO 7-8 BUT ITS NOT EACTLY HAPPY HOUR IS IT
Report zipper October 31, 2014 4:45 PM GMT
Frank... re John Power  ,, a real top guy , bookie he was the best  had a real opinion on every thing . and was not scared  to put HIS MONEY  up .. they don't make em like that anymore
Report dr . atkins October 31, 2014 6:07 PM GMT
shame tom putting bets on for other people now
Report intheknow October 31, 2014 7:05 PM GMT
I think only Laddies & O'Gorman from the Chelmsford list of 8 had previously had pitches at Great Leighs
Report Racecourse Regular October 31, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
Dr - would it be for a firm who advertise in the RP as being different to all the rest?
Report johnnywilkinson October 31, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
INTHENOW SO DID EDDIE THOMPSON....WHEN THEY SHUT GREAT LEIGHES EDDIE HANDCUFFED HIMSELF TO THE GATE
Report dr . atkins October 31, 2014 8:46 PM GMT
r.r yes it would be that firm that sends people all over london putting on in the shops but people can not get a bet with them over the phone
Report Racecourse Regular October 31, 2014 9:03 PM GMT
the advert really should read ring us and have us much on with us at 6-4 as long as we were on at 2-1 first thing.... anything else really is false advertising
Report dr . atkins October 31, 2014 9:11 PM GMT
yes they must check the betfair price before anyone can have a bet
Report factmachine October 31, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
OH NO I THOUGHT THESE PEOPLE WERE STARS,IS THERE ANYONE WHO WILL STAND A FREAKING BET???????????
Report intheknow October 31, 2014 9:26 PM GMT
Apologies JW, I didn't think Ed was on the original list that had 10 bookmakers. I know that others did subsequently bet there and that obv included ED
Report johnnywilkinson October 31, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
WASNT HAVING A DIG ITK
Report intheknow October 31, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
No, I know that
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