Any York Tatts bookies betting

good bye

there will be 2 or 3 but mostly lower win prices than those going a fifth odds.
but if that's what you prefer

VERY POOR!

DOES YORKSHIRE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ONCOURSE BOOKMAKER WHO BETS TRADITIONAL EWAY ODDS??????????????????????

My experience has been the books that have always bet to traditional ew terms are usually the ones who normally bet to lower percentages but much higher volumes.Advertise here!

mmmma - you are surely mistaken

I can't think why anyone would want to be ultra competitive on the win prices & still offer 1/4 4 places

Still who knows, there's one born every minute . . .

MMMA,I CAN THINK OF PLENTY WHO ARE ULTRA UNCOMPETATIVE ON THE WIN PRICES AND STILL OFFER 1/5 4 PLACES,THEN HAVE THE CHEEK TO COMPLAIN THE GAMES GONE

Tend to agree with factmachine as regards most of the York bookies,1/5 the odds 1234 it is then
COME RACING????

IM SURE ADGE WILL MAMMY ,AND YA CAN HAVE A GRAND ON AT 8s TOO

no , I'm not at York , johnny , and Newmarket tomorrow betting 1/4 1234 on TWO races

mind you the last time down there the silver Cambridgeshire had 24 runners and when I priced up at 1/4 the computer showed that I was betting to 97% on the places..and that was just the opening show...all shows how pointless it all is.

just been looking at the exchange win and place markets..can't get 1/4 odds on ANY runner , in fact a number are worse than 1/5th..poor value there too eh maam

The problem the on-course bookies face is that a punter at the races will instead of having his £50 each way 1/5 odds with the on course bookmaker will have a few taps on his smart phone and get the bet at 1/4 the odds a place with an online firm. He may also get BOG and double result concessions too.

no problem with that as long as he's happy with 12/1 instead of the 14/1 in front of him with the course books.
plenty of mid week punters do check with exchange prices on favs before betting with course bookmakers too btw

How many times do I  have to explain this adge,you cant compare ew betting with place only betting.Betting into a 98%-102% under/overround market is never poor value.

which answers your own question , you , for whatever reason think that course books should bet to 88 to 90% on places when the exchange doesn't. you want it both ways .
and before you reply that it's two separate markets , yes , we do bet place only

Oh dear adge I'd got you down as a cert runner at York tomorrow! Having made so many trips down the A1 recently you really ought to buy a second home South of Peterborough. I'm please to see your love/hate relationship with mmama is standing the test of time

yes he's got me at it. laid four horses for a bit of fun for places that were approaching 1/6th odds a place on here , but included laying a 350 to 100 the winner

Bookmakers were betting 1/4 odds a place,and overbroke,without knowing it pre. computers.Now the computer enlightens them.

perfectly true , unbiased , but at the same time not as strongly so as we didn't have to compete with exchanges as well as we do now

adge,check out the prices done oncourse on the 3.50 at Newters,just finished.I made it they bet to 0%,or slightly overbroke,as the 12/1 shot shortened to 7/1.Was monitoring it closely.Slaves to machine!

you can keep telling them but it just goes over their heads.
will have bet to 106% , 1% per runner , but every price change lowers that percentage.
you are almost certainly right that they ended up overbroke

IF THEY WANNA BET OCERBROKE LET EM -THERE ENJOYING THERE SELVES......AINT A BETTER PLACE THAN THAT GREAT TRACK CALLED YORK FULL OF HANDICAPS

ENGLISH PLEASE?????????????

OVERBROKE .....SORRY DEAN BROWN

that's ok , zipper , my winter in the Caribbean is already booked

lay the nap boys in the  Racing Post naps comp   ...  and you can live in the Caribbean
41 NAPS yesterday  they got 3   the other  38 got beat   it all  there in black and white ...take a look ...take a punt.

adge.. a guy called tightfist  has all the stats on The Nap Boys  re The RAcing Post .. hes worth a call   ok we never got on  but  he knows all the facts

Good old adge,betting" 1/4 the odds 2 races tomorrow" one a 24 runner h/cap the other a 36 runner h/cap, that,s very generous of you adge you sure your not a modern day  Carnegie?

yes , I've already priced them up . one is 106% on places and the other [ 34 runners ] is 115%.
and that's before fluctuations and non runners..NOT VERY CLEVER IS IT , mmmaluska

Oh dearie me adge you really dont understand the mathematics of ew betting.

Bookies at York lighting Cigars with Fifty's as leaving course today

Big-Issue, for todays breed of bookies/traders  those results not as good as times gone by.

clearly you know more than me , mmm , I've only been trying to make it pay for 42 years

With  those ew terms you bet to I,m not surprised your "winter holiday in the carribean is already booked"

HEXHAM TODAY,BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE(AND YOU CAN BE ON)TRADITIONAL EWAY EVERY RACE EVERY MEETING,NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE,COME RACING!

it's all about mathematics and why to be competitive 1/4 odds each way on 16 to 20 runners just does not work with what the racecourse punter of today demands , mmmalushka.
I trust you will eventually realize that is the case. the value is clearly still there compared to exchanges if you look for it

Paul Johnson that's one

Stop slagging people off and you might regain some credability

paul Johnson firm bet 1/4 odds first five in the ces , but of course at mostly lower win prices
also 1/4 odds each way in the second race .
don't know if better value than enhanced win prices but value everywhere to suit your taste . you just have to look for it.

WOW,THERE IS ONE,SHOCK

INTHEKNOW,"GAIN SOME CREDIBILITY" WHO?? FROM YOU?????

INTHEKNOW,"GAIN SOME CREDIBILITY" WHO?? FROM YOU?????

2ND ROW 19 ACROSS HASNT GOT HIS TEETH IN

Here we go again
bookies odds   v   betfair  places only
newmarket
race 1
adge odds places               betfair odds
3.00                           3.5
6.75                           13
11/20                          1.69

wow mmm.  were you at newmarket watching adge's board?  that's some commitment just to make a point.  glad you aren't just taking the show on the tv and assuming the on course books bet like that.

My reference point is bookmaker sp returns v betfair sp.

race2
adge odds           betfair odds
2                   2.24
8/5                 3.19
5                   6.45

MMMA,THE CORRUPT SP RETURNS HAVE VERY LITTLE BEARING ON THE REAL PRICES BEING OFFERED IN THE RING!

race3
adge odds      betfair odds
11             11
11/2           5.99
7.25           7.09
7.25           6.4

race4

when did I start betting at sp ???

making yourself look rather foolish aren't you

I dont know what odds you bet at adge,I do know your place terms and since you are always mocking the place terms on here I'm just doing some comparisons.
race4
adge odds      betfair SP
3.75           3.85
7.25           7.09
2.25           4.42       that was the fav
5              6.58

I'd love to lay my bets at SP.  Last race at York the SP returned 2 horses at 8/1 joint favs with the winner at 9/1.  On my board in tatts these horses are 9/1F, 10/1, 10/1.  Happens every day.  Actually, just looked at the returned SPs and every winner was bigger on my board at the off than the SP except Mutamakkin, which was the same.

OK wasnot its your turn.
bookies sp      wasnot sp      betfair sp
10              11            13.93

wasnot,they were a lot bigger on here

I have never attempted to compare my prices to the BSP.  I have expenses imposed on me that as a percentage to my turnover dwarf those of betfair.  If I was allowed to pay the same percentage expenses as this place I would be able to bet to near 100% markets too.  Could I also charge my winning customers a commission off their winnings, especially premium charge to the ones who had a good day?

i just dont get it.bet betfair,bet oncourse or bet online.wheres the fukcing problem

if you want a price and you so much of a fukcin know it all anyway why not win a fortune wherever your sh1thouse bet gets taken

wasnot

why would you want to bet to a near 100 per cent margin ?

are you aware of any other business that aims to break about even after doing a days work  or after a years trading ?

Morning Foxy,our old pal was in attendance yesterday in fine form.

morning ribero

he seems to be getting around again sounds to me like he has been eating porridge for a couple of years.which I did have as 8/13 fav 2nd fav at 6/4 was a sticky end with packing the betting in as the 200/1 outsider of 3.

hopefully ill bump in to him this winter probably at rasen.

I'll bet to near 100% if I can take commission off all the winners and charge big winners a premium charge.

they are all big winners on here nobody loses wasnot its that easy.

The only time mmm will be happy is when he can shaft us all on the places he only spouts on about it because he's finding it difficult to find an edge anymore.

often wandered which racecourse bookmaker he works for.

Corbettsports always go 1/4 odds hcap in those races on all racecourse they attend

Well done to Paul Johnson who does the same

No sane person would expect oncourse bookmakers to match exchange prices on every runner,and bet to 0%,at the same time bookmakers shouldn't keep banging on about the place market on BF,as it is a separate market,and you don't have to bet e.w.,in order to secure a place bet.
  This silly argument appears to be neverending.Bookmakers oncourse have it tougher than ever,and it will probably get worse still,betting has changed irreversably.
Meanwhile an article in the RP during the week stated that online gambling had experienced DOUBLE DIGIT GROWTH every year since 2000.

UNBIASED,SPOT ON,REGARDING ONLINES"DOUBLE DIGIT GROWTH" ITS LIVING PROOF THAT ALL THOSE TWO POUNDS REALLY DO ADD UP!

I DIDNT REALISE THAT YOU ON-COURSE BOOKIES WERE ROBBING US LIKE THAT...THATS THE LAST TIME BET WITH YOU