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Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the horse and backed him last time out where he won (despite not being fully wound up IMO). He's bound to come on for that, has gears and stays 10 furlongs well.
I just think he's a little too short @ 1.3 in a race of his calibre.
The Grey Gatsby was a shade unlucky LTO when getting caught it the back in a slowly run race. He only finished 2 lengths behind Australia and was probably value for a bit better than that.
Mukhradam disappointed that day when he pulled too hard, but has a pacemaker here who'll ensure it's a true championship gallop which will help him settle. The horse doesn't have Australia's turn of foot, but you can guarantee he'll gallop all day.
Al Kazeem doesn't look a significantly poorer horse than last year in my eyes, he sorely needed his first run and looked pretty unfit LTO when just holding True Story off. He'll much fitter today and should run well.
Trading Leather will help ensure an honest test.
To my mind, Oz is all about the way he travels and his change of gear, and I think this race is likely to be an end-to-end gallop. He'll still probably win, but I make him a 5/6 shot here, rather than a 1/3 one so for that reason he's gotta be a lay.
GL whatever way you play.
I just think he's a little too short @ 1.3 in a race of his calibre.
The Grey Gatsby was a shade unlucky LTO when getting caught it the back in a slowly run race. He only finished 2 lengths behind Australia and was probably value for a bit better than that.
Mukhradam disappointed that day when he pulled too hard, but has a pacemaker here who'll ensure it's a true championship gallop which will help him settle. The horse doesn't have Australia's turn of foot, but you can guarantee he'll gallop all day.
Al Kazeem doesn't look a significantly poorer horse than last year in my eyes, he sorely needed his first run and looked pretty unfit LTO when just holding True Story off. He'll much fitter today and should run well.
Trading Leather will help ensure an honest test.
To my mind, Oz is all about the way he travels and his change of gear, and I think this race is likely to be an end-to-end gallop. He'll still probably win, but I make him a 5/6 shot here, rather than a 1/3 one so for that reason he's gotta be a lay.
GL whatever way you play.
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Lap it up clowns, first time in a long time you've had a genuine chance to rip me 
, doesn't happen often so take it.
, doesn't happen often so take it.
Although it was the fat Irishman that as given you the chance not the horse imho
A: Sorry, injured and retired. ala canford cliffs
I still think this horse is better than Frankel regardless of the result.
Even ATR are slagging the ride off, it was poor simple as that.
Please do not make yourself look an even bigger prick than usual,Horsebreath
O'Brien is thinner than a POW Escapee.
O'Brien is thinner than a POW Escapee.
the ride was poor but ATR not giving anywhere near enough credit to the winner.
Won Dante, French Derby and Irish Champion Stakes but not an ' elite Group 1 performer' - second in the Juddmonte too...
Won Dante, French Derby and Irish Champion Stakes but not an ' elite Group 1 performer' - second in the Juddmonte too...
agree rh
they were all looking for excuses for australia.
they were all looking for excuses for australia.
Reasel - Its a good horse don't get me wrong and deserved its win but the ride on Australia was poor.
Yes, wd thunder, in all the ranting forgot to congratulate you, not a problem in giving a wd to the winner.
An example of bookies running racing.Derby form gets franked in ledger,derby winner gets beat in average irish champion.
Just found Horsebreaths theme tune on Youtube,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPsFz85gGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPsFz85gGw
Breedingmad - thank you, I do know it all, I'm a legend, a champion pal.
You obviously are too stupid to listen to the lyrics
Crazy this racing game thought Tagrouda was a shoo in at York and then Ryan beats him on what you can only describe as a nut job.the result today was much more predictable average jockey on the fav champion on a horse that only had 2 lengths to find.
I think he's better than Camelot but I just find the rhetoric a bit disrespectful to the opposition, the Guineas stuff and the 'just ready to have a racehorse gallop' garbage after he won at York - I don't think AOB does it maliciously but if York was a racecourse gallop then he should have been able to win comfortably today irrespective of the way the race panned out (see Frankel in SJP)...
...the ride the horse got is symptomatic of their over confidence...
...the ride the horse got is symptomatic of their over confidence...
over-confident ride but if it was as good as they keep saying still should have won. Above average Derby winner but no champ.
Miles better than Camelot imo, doesnt make him a superstar.
Personally AOB is just a PR man, will say whatever increases the hype/value.
Any links to todays interviews ?
Personally AOB is just a PR man, will say whatever increases the hype/value.
Any links to todays interviews ?
Wonder if John F Kennedy will now be the best they've had?
u dont win @those odds,camelot got beat rank odds on.
I know it is an Australia thread ...
but the hype was similar for Camelot who ran ten times and was favourite all ten times, won six. Camelot was odds on seven times.
A bit like childbirth. People forget and go again.
but the hype was similar for Camelot who ran ten times and was favourite all ten times, won six. Camelot was odds on seven times.
A bit like childbirth. People forget and go again.
Dear God,just how stupid are you utter plebians?
Anybody who does not realise just how bad the ride was on Australia should pack the game up.
Anybody who does not realise just how bad the ride was on Australia should pack the game up.
Before i pack up.
JOB has rode this superstar wide in all his races, no problem seen.
Guess what, superstar is beaten its all about the superstar loses a few lengths on a bend.
it doesmt add up imo.
I've seen lesser horses race 10 wide.
JOB has rode this superstar wide in all his races, no problem seen.
Guess what, superstar is beaten its all about the superstar loses a few lengths on a bend.
it doesmt add up imo.
I've seen lesser horses race 10 wide.
P8 W5 L3
ain't title winning form...
he won't get to 10 races either...
ain't title winning form...
he won't get to 10 races either...
That`s not true Sonko.
Australia has not been ridden widen in all of his races, being settled in just wide of horses grabbing the rail is not running wide.
Australia has not been ridden widen in all of his races, being settled in just wide of horses grabbing the rail is not running wide.
Utter nonsense,Sonko.
At York Australia sat alongside The Grey Gatsby with cover until well into the straight.
Long may you have a funded account.
At York Australia sat alongside The Grey Gatsby with cover until well into the straight.
Long may you have a funded account.
Right.
Only one horse wider than him at Epsom.
Next: 5 runner
York: widest at the bend, but won.
alongside tgg, he whooshed him in strides.
Guess what.
Only one horse wider than him at Epsom.
Next: 5 runner
York: widest at the bend, but won.
alongside tgg
, he whooshed him in strides.Guess what.
In fact in only 2 of his races has Australia come wide.
When 1/8 in the Irish Derby beating his own pace makers.
And today.
When 1/8 in the Irish Derby beating his own pace makers.
And today.
You are now a convicted moron,Stonko.
Do I expect you to realise that?
Never.
Goodnight.
Do I expect you to realise that?
Never.
Goodnight.
O'Brien as just ruined a perfect record
Does a 'perfect record' include two defeats these days?
Does a 'perfect record' include two defeats these days?
Anyone got any links to what the losing trainer said after the race ?
Cant find anything on SL or RP.
Cant find anything on SL or RP.
Tabor was not "best pleased" to put it mildly.
However,the "Team" are far too clever to make public criticism of a truly awful ride.
I expect JOB(who is clearly struggling with his weight) to be replaced at the end of the Season.
However,the "Team" are far too clever to make public criticism of a truly awful ride.
I expect JOB(who is clearly struggling with his weight) to be replaced at the end of the Season.
either way win or lose he wasnt going to win in the style of an all time great and the defeat means obrien cant kid the balls of people pretending the horse is a superstar,still hasnt had 1 performance that shoots the lights out
Swap the riders and Australia wins by a length or two. And you would be looking at a horse close to the credentials of Sea The Stars.
And before the `Sea The Stars would beat Australia out of sight` comments arrive, lets just remember that Trading Leather, Mukhadram and Al Kazeem would be 5/6/7L behind but all knocking on just around the 118 mark.
Sea The Stars was beating the likes of Rip Van Winkle, Mastercraftsman, Fame and Glory. Kingston Hill looks like a Fame And Glory type to me, so i think the form of Australia is still close to Sea The Stars at the same stage in their careers if we believe JOB cost Australia at least 2L in the Irish.
And before the `Sea The Stars would beat Australia out of sight` comments arrive, lets just remember that Trading Leather, Mukhadram and Al Kazeem would be 5/6/7L behind but all knocking on just around the 118 mark.
Sea The Stars was beating the likes of Rip Van Winkle, Mastercraftsman, Fame and Glory. Kingston Hill looks like a Fame And Glory type to me, so i think the form of Australia is still close to Sea The Stars at the same stage in their careers if we believe JOB cost Australia at least 2L in the Irish.
If Australia trounces the Arc field like Sea The Stars did then they can be mentioned in the same breath.
A_T
You mean show similar form as beating Youmzain, Cavalryman, Conduit by a couple of lengths? Yes he was in a pocket and won well, but i would fancy Australia to beat those horses in similar fashion.
You mean show similar form as beating Youmzain, Cavalryman, Conduit by a couple of lengths? Yes he was in a pocket and won well, but i would fancy Australia to beat those horses in similar fashion.
STS was a great going into the Arc ,had won everything and needed to win to prove beyond all doubt ,there is no STS in this years field .
STS won the arc from a bad draw after sweating up badly ,he also nearly got caught in a pocket .
Before the Arc dont think STS had sweated and although he pulled a bit he settled in his 2k and Derby so the Arc win was very impressive after a long season .
2k, derby ,eclipse,international , irish champion and arc ....no STS in this years race .
Always wondered how far STS could have won the arc but i did not appreciate the state the horse was in ,his class carried him through ,this is what separates the good from the great and thats horses and trainers.
was chuffed for MK as it was close to being a disaster and us punters would not have swallowed the sweated up ballux
STS won the arc from a bad draw after sweating up badly ,he also nearly got caught in a pocket .
Before the Arc dont think STS had sweated and although he pulled a bit he settled in his 2k and Derby so the Arc win was very impressive after a long season .
2k, derby ,eclipse,international , irish champion and arc ....no STS in this years race .
Always wondered how far STS could have won the arc but i did not appreciate the state the horse was in ,his class carried him through ,this is what separates the good from the great and thats horses and trainers.
was chuffed for MK as it was close to being a disaster and us punters would not have swallowed the sweated up ballux
STS would not have won this years 2000G
All those number 1`s against his name do not prove he was any better than Australia.
All those number 1`s against his name do not prove he was any better than Australia.
I suppose you have Rip Van Winkle down as a better horse than Australia then racingstar? you know the horse that STS just touched off?
It`s easy to get carried away.
It`s easy to get carried away.
I was referring to the OP's opinion that Australia was a 5/6 chance
Due to a ride of monumental incompetence he fluked his Lay.
Then idiots tried to say the ride made no difference to the result
Will they do for starters?
Due to a ride of monumental incompetence he fluked his Lay.
Then idiots tried to say the ride made no difference to the result
Will they do for starters?
Apologies racingstar, perhaps if the OP had mentioned that jockey incompetence was evaluated in the 5/6 then we could tip our hat to him.
Put any other rider in that race on Australia and he wins. Put Ryan Moore on and wins more comfortably.
Put any other rider in that race on Australia and he wins. Put Ryan Moore on and wins more comfortably.
I never said he was better than Australia AG ,i said there was no STS in the race this year,let the ratings sort that out BUT i think STS is better fwiw
as in a horse who had already stamped his authority and was in the race with everything to lose ,winning the Arc stamped him as a great imo .
and winning after sweating and taking a fierce hold also said a lot about the trainer and jockey .
APO ran a herd against STS in the derby ,they all had a go from the front and back .....dont forget taht
he beat RVW off there as well ,anyhoss who can beat 6 of bally-D,s in the Derby is worth a second look
as in a horse who had already stamped his authority and was in the race with everything to lose ,winning the Arc stamped him as a great imo .
and winning after sweating and taking a fierce hold also said a lot about the trainer and jockey .
APO ran a herd against STS in the derby ,they all had a go from the front and back .....dont forget taht
he beat RVW off there as well ,anyhoss who can beat 6 of bally-D,s in the Derby is worth a second look
breadnbutter • September 14, 2014 8:39 PM BST
STS was a great going into the Arc ,had won everything and needed to win to prove beyond all doubt ,there is no STS in this years field .
STS won the arc from a bad draw after sweating up badly ,he also nearly got caught in a pocket .
stall 6 of 19? .... how is that a bad draw?
STS was a great going into the Arc ,had won everything and needed to win to prove beyond all doubt ,there is no STS in this years field .
STS won the arc from a bad draw after sweating up badly ,he also nearly got caught in a pocket .
stall 6 of 19? .... how is that a bad draw?
APO had half the field of 12 against STS in derby
racing star, so with a clear run would Australia hosed up like a 1.3 chance ???
Sonko
It did have a clear run. It was the racing line that was all over the place.
It did have a clear run. It was the racing line that was all over the place.
I never said he was better than Australia AG ,i said there was no STS in the race this year,let the ratings sort that out BUT i think STS is better fwiw
Put Ryan Moore on board and i have them both as equals, STS had the assistance of Mick Kinane, Joseph should be riding with an allowance against these two.
Put Ryan Moore on board and i have them both as equals, STS had the assistance of Mick Kinane, Joseph should be riding with an allowance against these two.
STS had almost the perfect 3yo season. He beat every horse who might have been considered a rival - nothing could get within a length of him over a mile, 10 or 12 - he never "touched off" any horse he won comfortably every time.
Australia's one of the best Derby winners of recent years - but he's not in Sea The Stars' league and will need to do a fair bit more to be considered so.
Australia's one of the best Derby winners of recent years - but he's not in Sea The Stars' league and will need to do a fair bit more to be considered so.
Galileo had the assistance of Kinane when he got beaten at 4/11 in the Irish Champion.
Sep 14, 2014 -- 9:05PM, grendel wrote:
breadnbutter • September 14, 2014 8:39 PM BSTSTS was a great going into the Arc ,had won everything and needed to win to prove beyond all doubt ,there is no STS in this years field .STS won the arc from a bad draw after sweating up badly ,he also nearly got caught in a pocket .stall 6 of 19? .... how is that a bad draw?
Your correct just watched the race again ,thought he was drawn wider than that ,he broke well but took a hold and ended settled mid ,but did keep a decent position on the inside ,i stand corrected .
AG ,am not commenting on yesterdays race ....
want a quiet night
wonder what mick696 or whatever his name was would have made of it ?
Of course he is in the `league` A_T it`s just that Joseph is not in the same league as Mick Kinane.
For example read this. It`s the post race analysis from the Eclipse Seas The Stars won, when beating Rip Van Winkle.
Held up in 5th, smooth progress from 3f out to lead 2f out, ridden and hard pressed 1f out, dug deep and fended off challenger last 150yds
Put JOB on board STS here and the result may be different.
For example read this. It`s the post race analysis from the Eclipse Seas The Stars won, when beating Rip Van Winkle.
Held up in 5th, smooth progress from 3f out to lead 2f out, ridden and hard pressed 1f out, dug deep and fended off challenger last 150yds
Put JOB on board STS here and the result may be different.
Galileo had the assistance of Kinane when he got beaten at 4/11 in the Irish Champion.
Does that prove Kinane was no better than JOB?
Does that prove Kinane was no better than JOB?
Australia isn't even the best 3yo this year - let alone of the same calibre as Sea The Stars.
We'll see if he can improve his reputation next time he runs.
We'll see if he can improve his reputation next time he runs.
It proves hotpots get beat in the Irish Champion Stakes.
The Irish Champion always throws up something amazing and this year's race was no different. Joseph didn't ride a bumbling incompetent race, Moore pulled off something amazing on the Grey Gatsby.
The Irish Champion always throws up something amazing and this year's race was no different. Joseph didn't ride a bumbling incompetent race, Moore pulled off something amazing on the Grey Gatsby.
Galileo didn't improve his reputation the next time he ran after the Irish Champion Stakes. I wonder whatever happened to him?
Australia isn't even the best 3yo this year - let alone of the same calibre as Sea The Stars.
Australia has it by 1lb over Kingman A_T on official ratings does he not?
Australia has it by 1lb over Kingman A_T on official ratings does he not?
Hippie
Galileo seemed to be a 12f horse, so when pipped by Fantastic Light it was no bad thing. Both rated 130.
Galileo then couldn`t keep up in the Breeders Cup Classic over a fast 10f. Then he was retired and the rest is history.
Galileo seemed to be a 12f horse, so when pipped by Fantastic Light it was no bad thing. Both rated 130.
Galileo then couldn`t keep up in the Breeders Cup Classic over a fast 10f. Then he was retired and the rest is history.
Galileo won two 10f races.
His 2nd & 3rd races. The latter being a Derby Trial.
Fantastic Light had won the Hong Kong Cup over 10f.
Tattersalls Gold Cup over 10.5f
Prince Of Wales Stakes over 10f
Man 0`War Stakes over 11f
All Group 1 victories, before he took on Galileo in the Irish Champion Stakes. Looking back, is it not fair to say that Galileo was taking on a specialist 10f Group 1 champion? So when Galileo was just pipped he actually ran a great race.
His 2nd & 3rd races. The latter being a Derby Trial.
Fantastic Light had won the Hong Kong Cup over 10f.
Tattersalls Gold Cup over 10.5f
Prince Of Wales Stakes over 10f
Man 0`War Stakes over 11f
All Group 1 victories, before he took on Galileo in the Irish Champion Stakes. Looking back, is it not fair to say that Galileo was taking on a specialist 10f Group 1 champion? So when Galileo was just pipped he actually ran a great race.
The Grey Gatsby is a Dante winner and Classic winner over 10f. I'd say that makes him a specialist 10f Group 1 champion. Australia was pipped on the line so he must also have actually run a great race.
Yes you could possibly say that hippie, but the problem with the comparison is that
a) Galileo had not previously shown any dominance over 10f against Fantastic Light( only over 12f )
b) Australia had shown dominance over The Great Gatsby over 10f in the International Stakes at York.
Did anyone accuse Kinane for poor judgement in defeat? i can`t remember, but i doubt it. Fantastic Light was prolific at around the 10f distance with a rating of 130. The price was all together wrong, but people expected(or hoped) Galileo to be as dominant over 10f as he was at 12f.
a) Galileo had not previously shown any dominance over 10f against Fantastic Light( only over 12f )
b) Australia had shown dominance over The Great Gatsby over 10f in the International Stakes at York.
Did anyone accuse Kinane for poor judgement in defeat? i can`t remember, but i doubt it. Fantastic Light was prolific at around the 10f distance with a rating of 130. The price was all together wrong, but people expected(or hoped) Galileo to be as dominant over 10f as he was at 12f.
and 50% of Galileo's career runs were over 10f. - this will trip you up hippie.
8 Career starts.
4 over 10f - 2 of these G1`s and both defeats.
3 over 12f- All 3 of these G1`s and all wins.
Seems like a G1 winning 12 furlong horse to me hippie.
8 Career starts.
4 over 10f - 2 of these G1`s and both defeats.
3 over 12f- All 3 of these G1`s and all wins.
Seems like a G1 winning 12 furlong horse to me hippie.
However saying this Frankie did take it up 2f out on Fantastic Light when you would have expected the horse with more stamina to be stretching them from the front at that stage.
Hindsight is a great thing, but i think it proved over 10f Galileo was compromised by being ridden the same way as when racing over 12f.
Hindsight is a great thing, but i think it proved over 10f Galileo was compromised by being ridden the same way as when racing over 12f.
Fascinating reinvention of Fantastic Light's career.
He finished with a OR of 130.
With 6 Group 1 victories.
Hardly a reinvention hippie.
With 6 Group 1 victories.
Hardly a reinvention hippie.
It was more the recreation of him as "a specialist 10f Group 1 champion" I was commenting on.
You seem rather adept at interpreting facts to suit your argument.
You seem rather adept at interpreting facts to suit your argument.
He was very good over 12f but no match for Montjeu or Galileo.
Yet over 10/11f he won 6 G1 races from the age of 4. Nothing beat him, Kalanisi couldn`t get within 2L.
He was the best 10f horse around. A Champion.
Yet over 10/11f he won 6 G1 races from the age of 4. Nothing beat him, Kalanisi couldn`t get within 2L.
He was the best 10f horse around. A Champion.
Sorry, 5 G1 races between 10/11f.
I included his final race which was of course the Breeders Cup Turf over 12f, but which probably equates to an 11f race due to the sharpness.
I included his final race which was of course the Breeders Cup Turf over 12f, but which probably equates to an 11f race due to the sharpness.
Did you even see the horse run? Everything you're writing is clearly regurgitated written words.
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=281849&r_date=2000-0...
hippie he struggled to beat a 113 rated horse that day, do you think it ran to form ?
Kalanisi never beat it again over 10f. Why concentrate on the race it runs below par than on the 5 G1 victories since?
Kalanisi never beat it again over 10f. Why concentrate on the race it runs below par than on the 5 G1 victories since?
By the way yes i saw it run, did you see any of the G1 victories or was it just the Eclipse when it ran flat?
He was named United States Champion Male Turf Horse, European Horse of the Year and European Champion Older Horse in 2001.
Yet hippie wants to judge him when below his best.
Yet hippie wants to judge him when below his best.
Ran flat? He was out of his depth, that's why he ducked the International Stakes and the Champion Stakes (won by Kalanisi) that year. Kalanisi, who was the better horse, beat him a month later over 12f at Churchill Downs.
http://www.racingpost.com/horses/result_home.sd?race_id=281849&r_date=2000-0...
Out of his depth??
Not at his best you mean hippie, or are you confused? only one one horse out of that race reached a mark of 130, yes you know which one hippie.
By the way did you see the Breeders Cup and how Fantastic Light was hampered? Interesting that Kalanisi couldn`t get within 2L of Fantastic Light after these 2 races hippie.
You need to brush up mate.
Not at his best you mean hippie, or are you confused? only one one horse out of that race reached a mark of 130, yes you know which one hippie.
By the way did you see the Breeders Cup and how Fantastic Light was hampered? Interesting that Kalanisi couldn`t get within 2L of Fantastic Light after these 2 races hippie.
You need to brush up mate.
European Champion Older Horse in 2001. - out of his depth
Kalanisi (U.S. Champion Male Turf Horse and European Champion Older Horse in 2000) was injured in the Prince of Wales Stakes that Fantastic Light won and retired. But you already knew that.
If you're going to pass off book-learning as personal experience at least know your stuff.
If you're going to pass off book-learning as personal experience at least know your stuff.
Injured like Canford Cliffs after finishing once again behind Fantastic Light rated 130
Of course without the injury to Kalanisi, i guess you would have the higher rated Fantastic Light(United States Champion Male Turf Horse, European Horse of the Year and European Champion Older Horse in 2001).....as.....
OUT OF HIS DEPTH
Keep it real hippie and stay of that sh1t
Of course without the injury to Kalanisi, i guess you would have the higher rated Fantastic Light(United States Champion Male Turf Horse, European Horse of the Year and European Champion Older Horse in 2001).....as.....
OUT OF HIS DEPTH
Keep it real hippie and stay of that sh1t
That`s how he will be remembered hippie, OR 130.
Yet you believe he was out of his depth against a horse with a OR of 126.
How does that make you feel about your race reading? How can you argue at 01:39 in the morning that he was out of his depth?
Yet you believe he was out of his depth against a horse with a OR of 126.
How does that make you feel about your race reading? How can you argue at 01:39 in the morning that he was out of his depth?
Yet over 10/11f he won 6 G1 races from the age of 4. Nothing beat him, Kalanisi couldn`t get within 2L.
He was the best 10f horse around. A Champion.
In the 2000 International Classification Kalanisi was assessed at 126 and Fantastic Light at 124 (both aged 4) and you're telling me to keep it real.
That`s how he will be remembered hippie, OR 130.
Is that how you remember horses, as numbers?
In the 2001 International Classification Fantastic Light was assessed at 129 (equal with Galileo).
as for the time - Chicago are playing San Francisco.
From the age of 4(barring the eclipse of course) !!!!
That includes his 5 year old career you wally! - he reaches 130. How can you say he was out of his depth?
Who was the better horse Kalanisi or Fantastic Light? go on hippie have a stab. It should be easy as you have already said Fantastic Light was out of his depth!
That includes his 5 year old career you wally!
- he reaches 130. How can you say he was out of his depth?Who was the better horse Kalanisi or Fantastic Light? go on hippie have a stab. It should be easy as you have already said Fantastic Light was out of his depth!
I tell you what hippie.
You will be remembered for telling me Fantastic Light was out of his depth against Kalanisi!
You will be remembered for telling me Fantastic Light was out of his depth against Kalanisi!
You seem to be confusing yourself with these ratings. You can't impose his future higher rating retrospectively on past races.
If he wasn't out of his depth why did he go globe trotting rather than contest the International and Champion Stakes? According to you he was the champion and nothing could touch him.
Kalanisi was always the better horse.
If he wasn't out of his depth why did he go globe trotting rather than contest the International and Champion Stakes? According to you he was the champion and nothing could touch him.
Kalanisi was always the better horse.
There could be many reasons why they went globe trotting hippie. Considering they took Kalanisi on twice more and beat him twice is hardly a team ducking your horse is it?
They went for the KG and then the Man O War, advertising the horses credentials in America has plenty to do with business hippie, plus the horse loved fast ground was there a potential for rain at York? can you remember?
They went for the KG and then the Man O War, advertising the horses credentials in America has plenty to do with business hippie, plus the horse loved fast ground was there a potential for rain at York? can you remember?
hippie
Just a reminder that Fantastic Light is the leading European money earner of all time on $8,486,957.
4th in the all time Global earners behind Curlin, Cigar and Skip Away.
A real Champion.
Just a reminder that Fantastic Light is the leading European money earner of all time on $8,486,957.
4th in the all time Global earners behind Curlin, Cigar and Skip Away.
A real Champion.
What has any of this childish one-upmanship to do with the OP?
It has now emerged that Joseph weighed in 1 lb overweight
It has now emerged that Joseph weighed in 1 lb overweight
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