fallon in the weekender............having a right go at chapman

I was guessing about you being Fallon's ghostwriter,though there was a certain logic to my guess as laid out in my two brief posts.
If you want to deny it I will believe you but please keep it to a simple " No I am not Fallon's ghostwriter "

"...Another three yards of text please Barman (hic)..."

thousands of virtual trees have been used for this thread.

Nobody is reading your shiite anymore Ima

Block the fukkin ape....who wants to be reading about that little slumdog.....everybody knows what hes like.....
Get into bed O Hara ya arsewipe ya.....

Where did Ima Exposed go? I thought we were going to get another post stating who he is. At least nobody will ever take his views on Fallon seriously again (not that many did).

Ima Dazed.

Shdnt his moniker be Ima Tw@t ?

I mention unrelated paraphernalia and he suddenly starts talking about Australia and The Grey Gatsby.

Most of that is superfluous nonsense as usual ima, or should that be John, so I'll just deal with what is relevant. Highlighting what happened bewtween the 4 and 3 poles was in response to your statement about the way Bwindi went past Deja Bougg showing Bates wasn't riding full out. Using that criteria, does that mean by definition that Fallon couldn't have been riding full out when that 6 length gap opened up between 4 out and 3 out?

There were parts of that race that caused Chapman and various people on here to question what Fallon was doing. One of those parts was coming into the entrance to the straight which is where I say he appeared to have accepted it. Fallon gave the horse one reminder about 3 and a half furlongs out and then pushed without using the whip for around a further furlong. You said this about Bates in the final furlong. If anything it was Bates who gave up once Fallon went by him and so he put his whip down and pushed out to accept 3rd. Yet Fallon not using his whip for around a furlong coming into the straight wasn't a sign that perhaps he'd accepted it? Which is it to be? And you say it's me that has the agenda.

You keep going on about my agenda when I keep saying I wasn't questioning the Bwindi ride. You mention me seeing sense when I had already said in a post on 18th August that I don't dispute Fallon was at the horse for most of the way. The only actual agenda I have is to point out when you're frequently talking balls.

For the record I'm still not questioning the ride. What I am pointing out is your insistence on justifying what Fallon said in his column is rubbish. Now if he'd said he'd given the horse a crack and there was no apparent response then fine. There was evidence of that in that a slow old boat like Deja Bougg was running away from him at that point. Please don't tell me though that his efforts in the early part of the race physically prevented him from maintaining a maximum drive from 4 out right to the line. If you want to see what I mean about a maximum drive is then just watch Andrew Mullen on Buy Out Boy who is all out from the mile start until he goes out of shot at the 2 pole. I would suggest that his exertions over those 6 furlongs took more effort and energy than Fallon's exertions over the mile and 6 even allowing for the fact that Fallon was niggling away for much of the race.

Now do yourself and everyone on here a favour and give it a rest. You're a crashing bore with an odd, if not slightly disturbing, fixation with Fallon. I suspect that you bash out 20,000 words a time in an attempt to try and hide your various contradictions and to bore people into no longer replying. It's all a bit sad really.

Jockey rode in snatches coz he was too knackered to do otherwise!!! (Answer in 12 words)

Glug Glug (hic) , dehydrated , phone in sick.

I always thought top endurance sports men were able to engage in their sporting activity without wheezing half way through. Imagine someone like Steve Redgrave halfway through a rowing final lighting one up and lettng the other boys take the slack for a couple of minutes.

I've never heard anything as ridiculous in my life.

So used to flattening his unsuspecting opponents with the sheer quantity of his text, the passive-aggressive tyrant is vanquished with a dose of his own medicine. A Herculean effort by Marrce, so glad you took the trouble.

The sad thing is Mr O'Hara will take great pleasure in producing another multi-paragraphed response to his detractors, this will just go on and on.

Be warned he is on here now contemplating his next response, won't be able to resist

salmon spray 20 Aug 14 19:11 
I was guessing about you being Fallon's ghostwriter,though there was a certain logic to my guess as laid out in my two brief posts.
If you want to deny it I will believe you but please keep it to a simple " No I am not Fallon's ghostwriter "

No I'm not Fallon's ghost-writer and my name is Sean Scanlon and I'm based in Peckham, south London and I'm sure there's a joke in there somewhere about fools and horses.

Captain Christy 20 Aug 14 20:31 
Nobody is reading your shiite anymore Ima

Apart from several people are reading my logical and well thought out lines of argument as clearly indicated by the number of posts in this thread including specific references to things I have previously written, that's quite some ego you must have if you feel comfortable enough to appoint yourself spokesman for everyone else on the forum.

paulie wallnuts 20 Aug 14 20:59 
Block the fukkin ape....who wants to be reading about that little slumdog.....everybody knows what hes like.....
Get into bed O Hara ya arsewipe ya.....

Oh look everyone (including the man himself as he clearly hasn't blocked me) paulie numbnuts gets it @rse about face yet again and if you want to send Mr O'Hara or anyone else messages sh1t for brains, then you will have to do it yourself I'm afraid.

asparagus 20 Aug 14 23:36 
Where did Ima Exposed go? I thought we were going to get another post stating who he is. At least nobody will ever take his views on Fallon seriously again (not that many did).

You know it's never a good thing for a bloke to be premature but I'm sure you're already well aware of that anyway.

drlovepants 21 Aug 14 12:02 
Shdnt his moniker be Ima Tw@t ?

Erm, you do realise that when you say Ima then that is putting it back to the first person, as in yourself don't you? No of course you don't because you are far too much of a twa....OK never mind.

It's called an analogy Marcce but you seem to have a rival for wanting to decided what does and doesn't go on on this public (key word there) forum.

Most of that is superfluous nonsense as usual ima, or should that be John, so I'll just deal with what is relevant. Highlighting what happened bewtween the 4 and 3 poles was in response to your statement about the way Bwindi went past Deja Bougg showing Bates wasn't riding full out. Using that criteria, does that mean by definition that Fallon couldn't have been riding full out when that 6 length gap opened up between 4 out and 3 out?

No Sean will do thanks, John is the English version of my name but if my parents wanted to call me John then I'm sure they will have but there are some very gullible and easily lead people on here but least I now know what I'm dealing with now, which explains quite a lot really.

Fallon didn't go passed Bates until inside the final furlong so it was at that point Bates put his whip down and pushed out for 3rd when accepting that was the best he was getting, so I have no idea what you think you saw between 4f and 3f out but I'm more than happy to inform you of the facts. What actually did happen there was both jockeys hit their horses once between those 2 marker posts with Fallon doing so first, but your blinkered agenda prevents you from seeing that. Fallon gave his horse a second slap and 2 it total between the 3f and 2f pole and then regularly used the whip enough to get a ban from there until the winning line. Bates also gave his horse 2 smacks between the 3f and 2f poles too, yet someone you seem to have Fallon at fault and Bates as ride of the season. The reason Bates's horse opened the gap between the 4f and 3f markers was as I've told you before was because despite both jockeys using the same number of smacks and both jockeys pushing on their mounts, Fallon's horse didn't initially respond to his urgings as quickly as Bates's and also went wider if wanting to try to go by.

Who knows why that was, maybe Bwindi was bothered by the kickback during the race, maybe larger horses take longer to get into gear than smaller ones, maybe they don't corner as well as smaller horses, maybe the blinkers off didn't help but whatever the reason, Fallon and Bates did little different to each other, so I'm afraid you have just shown your race reading skills to be er "superfluous nonsense as usual."

Both first slaps from jockeys were a long way out and were meant as wake up calls for their mounts and even if Fallon did use the whip less that Bates from 4f out (and I've just shown that he didn't) schoolboy error there from you as not only did he not give up as his final finishing run and position clearly indicates to anyone with half a clue about racing, but not using all of his whip allocation from around half a mile to go obviously makes sense if he wants to have some left at the real business end. No doubt if he used them all with 2f or 1f to go and then put it down and went hands and heels, you and plenty of other clueless posters would have been accusing him of having stopped riding and thrown the race just as his horse was making ground and responding.

Nowhere in that race did Fallon accept it and I really am wasting my time here if people think unless you are whipping the whatever out of a horse 4-3f out then that means you have accepted it, which in that case Bates must have accepted it too as he gave his horse the same ride from 4f out but you don't have an agenda with Bates do you? The clue that both Fallon and Bates had not accepted it was that both were almost constantly at their horses from around 4f out, via either the odd slap of the whip or bumping along in the saddle or elbows going back and forth as they were pushing the horse. Chapman even embarrassingly said Fallon stood up in the irons, accepted it and looked as if he would pull up or words to that effect and none of those things actually ever happened.

You do have an agenda and it's an anti-Fallon one and that's fine as long as any criticism is justified and any criteria used as a stick to beat with applies to all jockeys, yet anyone can see that's not the case with your differing views on the same rides given by Fallon and Bates. You obviously are questioning the ride, if not as dodgy at least as a poor one and it actually wasn't and was only half a length from being the ride of the season let alone the week.

So I'm a crashing bore but not enough of one to prevent you from without fail posting the opposite view on anything I say? You know there is an easy solution to that and I'm sure you can even work it out by yourself if you really tried. Oh and some might say you are the crashing bore with an odd but negative fixation with Fallon seeing as how you seem a bit schizo when it's him compared to anyone else and your Fallon/Bates view and your constant efforts to kid yourself you don't have an agenda clearly show this.

Oh and just for the record, it's not just Fallon with me as it could have been any jockey that many of here have a disproportionate biased and unjustified view on when it comes to riding and please don't bring up Spencer for about  the 5th time as I have already answered that several times before now, but you seem to mentally block it as and when it suits.....Oh and have you looked at the length of some of your own posts in response to me? A lack of self awareness must be a bugger eh?

argosy 21 Aug 14 13:28 
Jockey rode in snatches coz he was too knackered to do otherwise!!! (Answer in 12 innacurate words)

Fixed.

What a reply

Timberrrrr...

Did anyone really expect anything else from the forums self proclaimed defender of lost causes, far too much time on his hands, a bit of proof reading prior to posting wouldn't go amiss though, given it seems time is something he has plenty of.

Ima do the roadsweepers in your area keep calling you Dave?

Hello Sean. As I said I am quite happy to believe you. For the record I actually think you are one of the better posters on here but :
1) Although Fallon in his day was as good a jockey as I have seen,except Piggot,he is now over the hill and most of the people on here don't trust him anyway,not without reason imo.
2) You must keep it shorter.

He's had the same broom for 20 years.

Eeternaloptimist 21 Aug 14 16:12 
I always thought top endurance sports men were able to engage in their sporting activity without wheezing half way through. Imagine someone like Steve Redgrave halfway through a rowing final lighting one up and letting the other boys take the slack for a couple of minutes.

I've never heard anything as ridiculous in my life.

So don't say it then and you won't make yourself look silly because I certainly never said it but yet again we have someone getting the gist of what's being said but not what was actually said. I didn't any any stage say Fallon couldn't push for 1m6f but that he or any other jockey couldn't be expected to. Who do you think would be fresher and more effective in a race, a jockey reaching the 2f pole having already pushed for 1m4f or one that had pushed for less that that? Pushing for 1m4f would reduce the effectiveness of any effort from 2f out compared to if any jockey who pushed and niggled his horse on and off until the business end of the race.

Mind you, when clearly intelligent people like Graham Cunningham suffer from the same complaint and only get the gist then what hope is there for some? He wrote in his blog:

Ambition is a highly laudable quality and Lord knows racing needs all the ambitious new projects it can get to raise its public profile during these straightened times. But what do you make of Michael Owen's assertion that his newly forged link with Betfair founder Andrew Black can result in Tom Dascombe challenging to be champion trainer within five years?

At first I assumed it was just a throwaway line made in jest. Yet the more I read through Brough Scott's gushing two-page Racing Post feature the more I realised that Owen, Black and Dascombe all genuinely seem to think it can be done. Black says "I don't see any great impediment to stop us shooting for the No. 1 spot," while Dascombe insists that "we want Group 1 winners from a Group 1 establishment."

On a different tack, it's hard to look at Dascombe without thinking that he would have fitted in nicely as a third member of the Proclaimers has he not turned his hand to training. I have absolutely no doubt that he would walk five hundred miles to live up to the lofty title ambition of Owen and Black. But I will walk five hundred more - barefoot across broken glass - if he comes anywhere near to achieving it by 2014.


That comes across as a little patronising and mocking to me and ignoring the fact Cunningham himself used the word challenging for the trainer title and not winning it and that they said they thought it can happen and not that it will happen, it seems most of the talking was done by Black and Dascombe anyway rather than Owen, So at the risk of sounding conceited, maybe because I'm aware of this attention to detail where relevant, I'm also more aware of the actual details or what has happened in a race too where I can say a jockey for example used his whip x number of times between x number of furlong posts compared to some who just say "he didn't use his whip much at the end of the race" with a non-specific perception. I can usually say this too because I'm not the one rushing to get a post up seconds after the race and instead will wait and watch it back a good few times first before commenting.

So anyway, then after Fallon responded, Cunningham came back with:

However, it's still worth pointing out that I have never "rubbished Tom Dascombe's belief that he could be number one among the training ranks in five years."

Again apart from the fact that's not actually what was said and it wasn't even Dascombe but Black saying:

"I don't see any great impediment to stop us shooting for the No. 1 spot,"

with shooting for being the key words there, I would have said Cunningham saying "it's hard to look at Dascombe without thinking that he would have fitted in nicely as a third member of the Proclaimers has* he not turned his hand to training. I have absolutely no doubt that he would walk five hundred miles to live up to the lofty title ambition of Owen and Black. But I will walk five hundred more - barefoot across broken glass - if he comes anywhere near to achieving it by 2014" that sounds petty much like rubbishing it to me anyway and he could have just as easily said he didn't see it happening with different and less mocking use of language.

I personally think Fallon gets far to defensive and prickly at times and had no need to comment but then again after what he's been through with the Press you can maybe understand why. Cunningham also said when suggesting he had not rubbished Dascombe's claim, despite him never having made it anyway was:

And the reason I haven't done so is purely because it was the highly optimistic Owen - and not the more grounded Dascombe - who made that wildly ambitious claim.

Yet as shown above the quotes came for Black and Dascombe from that Brough Scott article and not Owen.

*The typo there was Cunningham's too and easily down seeing as the S and D are side by side on the keyboard and I'll cover below why it probably wasn't picked up.

Cork Langer 21 Aug 14 17:38 
Did anyone really expect anything else from the forums self proclaimed defender of lost causes, far too much time on his hands, a bit of proof reading prior to posting wouldn't go amiss though, given it seems time is something he has plenty of.

As I think I've said before, it doesn't actually take me long to type up and I'm often just killing time between races I'm getting involved in, so yes I made the odd typo and spotted a couple like someone/somehow and lead/led myself after I had submitted but have you really been reduced to the pettiness of flagging up an odd typing error now?

I've even typed my name wrong on a keyboard before merely through hitting the wrong keys or wrong order but I am actually able to spell my own name. I rely on spellcheckers to for picking up typos despite my spelling generally being good but again being typos, if I make a typing mistake but that word still actually exists then obviously the browser spellchecker won't pick it up......Oh and by the way, shouldn't self-proclaimed be hyphenated or am I just being petty here?

You are a bit boring though.

It wouldn't take you long to proof read it either though would it, far from trying to be petty, was merely making the point as it assists when reading between races if you don't have to double check and decipher words which serve only to confuse when they are incorrect or spelt wrongly, believe it or not other people play as well as read the forum besides yourself.

jamesdean 21 Aug 14 19:26 
You are a bit boring though.

I think you will find what is actually boring is that within seconds of Fallon not winning a race there often seems to be a thread pop up telling us how he was "at it" or how poor a ride it was when that clearly wasn't the case.

Right so you struggled to work out the difference between led and lead then Cork Langer? I must be a genius then when knowing when you wrote self proclaimed that you really meant self-proclaimed!

I did proof read it which was why there were only a couple of very minor mistakes that took next to no thought to work out what was meant compared to how it initially looked, but it's common knowledge that it's harder for someone to proof read their own posts due to not coming at it with a clean slate for want of a better expression, having already been familiar with what it contained. I also spot my typos when someone has later quoted me before they reply and that's probably due to reading it again from a fresh perspective.

I'd also just point out too that if given a choice between submitting a post with the odd typo and missing a race and/or bet just to make sure I've hit all of the right keys then take a wild guess as to which one I will go for? No doubt I'm bowling a few a nice easy one here but I've even been known in the past to wish someone good lick with something as well as having typed poofread too.....Oh and even then initially wrote "know" instead of "known" until I spotted it.

I suggest that you give up using forums though if you struggle to conquer the odd typo here and there as I can assure you (but you knows this anyway) that you will see far worse if you continue to use them.

No, it is definitely you I find boring.

You need to learn to give up gracefully ima and show some humility and manners, you are getting carried away I'm afraid as you so often have in the past, when you fail in these forlorn ventures you insist on embroiling yourself in.
The vast majority are having a laugh at your expense and you are unwilling or unable to see it because you don't know when to quit or stop providing the ammunition, all you are doing is digging yourself a bigger hole with each reply because of your obsession with having the last word.

cork.........don't you mean having the last 800 words

jamesdean 21 Aug 14 20:08 
No, it is definitely you I find boring.

And yet you keep coming back to post in threads like these instead of just doing the sensible thing and ignore and/or move on. Weird that eh? Or maybe you were shocked and stunned to see that I had posted in a thread with Fallon in the title and never saw that one coming?

I would suggest too that several other people have multiple posts in the thread too on the subject but somehow it's only me who is boring. As I've said several times now, I never start these threads so clearly other people who do have a view on the matter.

Add one more to the list who sees what he wants to see.

Cork Langer 21 Aug 14 20:31 
You need to learn to give up gracefully ima and show some humility and manners, you are getting carried away I'm afraid as you so often have in the past, when you fail in these forlorn ventures you insist on embroiling yourself in.
The vast majority are having a laugh at your expense and you are unwilling or unable to see it because you don't know when to quit or stop providing the ammunition, all you are doing is digging yourself a bigger hole with each reply because of your obsession with having the last word.

I can assure you that I treat everyone with the same respect or contempt shown to me first and stopped instigated petty name calling when I was about 12 but if I am expected to take abuse I'm more than happy to give it back. Funny isn't it how only I need to "show some humility and manners" and yet another one to add to the list of those who only see what they want to see and little surprise then so many have difficulty seeing what happens in a race.

You think I'm bothered when some people who are totally clueless want to laugh at others as if that makes them superior or something. As I keep saying, a lack of self-awareness is such a quaint thing. I've said often enough there's nothing funnier than being laughed at and called an idiot by actual idiots and I still stand by that.

cardifffc 21 Aug 14 21:21 
cork.........don't you mean having the last 800 words

I've asked several times now if anyone wants to tell me how to answer half a dozen people at once on several different points is a dozen words or so other than to "say" something as articulate as "you are talking sh1t" and then leaving it at that then they are welcome to provide a solution......Add one more to the list who only sees what he wants to see too.

Notice too there was very little said in the last half a dozen posts on the actual thread subject and only petty personal stuff aimed at me by those who seem to think it's fine to be rude or attempt to patronise someone about manners and whatnot just because they don't share the same view as that person.

ima..............I knew a guy whose father had an  horse and fallon  used to ride it......cant tell you any of what he told me for obvious reasons..............the horse ended up coming 2nd to a legend of a sprinter in a gr1

I'm intersted how it works in the equine world ima. Is it a bit like the Liverpool fans? Always buy two Keiron Fallon duvet sets so when one gets sopping wet with all your tears from defending your hero you can have a fresh one on the bed while the other dries on the line? Or do you need three in case of "spillages"?

feck me that man can blether......

chapman is ok fallon banned from a few counties says it all really

Is this true? Has Fallon been banned from other countries and why?

france for drugs

Suppose O Hara is telling ye he aint O Hara at all......

Kieren Fallon is 'ace' but this thread is pathetic...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ima things have been summed up by Cork Langer there. What you also cannot seem to grasp is that you're setting the parameters here and subsequently hanging yourself by them. I'm going to try a different approach and specifically refer to certain things you've said in various threads. Unfortunately, it's going to mean an ima style volume of words so my apologies to everyone else.

You said this.

So I'm a crashing bore but not enough of one to prevent you from without fail posting the opposite view on anything I say?

Quite simply I disagree with just about every view you post on here. Most I let pass without comment but there are times when the things you say are so ridiculously one eyed that I feel compelled to pick up on them. It's quite funny that you have referred to this supposed anti Fallon agenda of mine and for that matter the Bates ride of the season stuff. On the night of the Bwindi ride this is what I posted on that particular thread.

Blogger: Marcce's blog
Got to be honest that was half a length away from everyone saying what a fantastic ride it was.

He's got himself 4 days for overuse so I think there'd have been easier ways to have non jigged.

Strange that for someone with an agenda isn't it? Shouldn't someone with an agenda be turning a blind eye to something that doesn't fit that agenda? Or to pretend that it didn't really happen and claim something else did instead? Like, well you do? That should also now focus your mind on the reality that I'm not questioning the ride though I won't hold my breath on that seeing as focusing on reality isn't really your strong point.

Next we move onto the point of jockeys not being able to push along for 1 mile 6. These are 3 separate statements from you contained within different posts.

As I said before, you can't really expect any jockey to push a horse on a deep surface slow track like Southwell for the full 1m6f

No of course Fallon wasn't pushing full on for the first half of the race. 

Bates was nowhere near full on at his horse all race so you are talking nonsense I'm afraid and is exactly what I don't value your opinion. You only have to see how Fallon went by to see that isn't the case and how Bates eased his horse when beaten late on and was niggling sometimes with a fraction of the force compared to when full on.

Right from those comments you don't believe that a jockey can be expected to push for that distance at Southwell. I disagree but at the same time you accept Fallon wasn't actually using an all out drive for the first half of the race. You've also mentioned that at times Fallon was pushing and sitting still at others. That goes along with my assumption that he was at the horse for most of the race. So far, so good. There isn't actually any disagreement about his actual riding there. The 3rd of those statements is where we start to differ. You said that none of the jockeys pushed for the whole race but that Fallon came the closest to doing so. I disagreed with that as Declan Bates was the jockey in that race who came closest to pushing away for most of it.

The part of that you really need to concentrate on though is the bit where you said you only have to see how Fallon went by to see that isn't the case. I responded with this.

You're struggling badly there so because I'm starting to feel a glimmer of sympathy for you I'll let you know why that happened. It was because Deja Bougg was running slower than Bwindi was at that time. I'll also not make too much of the fact that Deja Bougg went from level with Bwindi at the 4 pole to 6 lengths clear of that horse at the 3 pole

Now remember what I said about you setting the parameters? The parameter in this case is that Fallon went past Bates at the furlong pole because Bates was no longer riding all out. You then went on to post this in your latest volume.

Fallon didn't go passed Bates until inside the final furlong so it was at that point Bates put his whip down and pushed out for 3rd when accepting that was the best he was getting, so I have no idea what you think you saw between 4f and 3f out but I'm more than happy to inform you of the facts. What actually did happen there was both jockeys hit their horses once between those 2 marker posts with Fallon doing so first, but your blinkered agenda prevents you from seeing that. Fallon gave his horse a second slap and 2 it total between the 3f and 2f pole and then regularly used the whip enough to get a ban from there until the winning line. Bates also gave his horse 2 smacks between the 3f and 2f poles too, yet someone you seem to have Fallon at fault and Bates as ride of the season. The reason Bates's horse opened the gap between the 4f and 3f markers was as I've told you before was because despite both jockeys using the same number of smacks and both jockeys pushing on their mounts, Fallon's horse didn't initially respond to his urgings as quickly as Bates's and also went wider if wanting to try to go by.


Firstly, thank you for very kindly explaining what happened. Unfortunate that you've once again referred to my supposed blinkered agenda there because it makes you look silly now but never mind. The problem with your analysis is that it's not really taken your parameters into account.

You're correct that both jockeys used the whip once between 4 out and 3 out. As you say there was no response whatsoever from Fallon's horse. You'd already told me though that Fallon going past Bates was clear evidence the latter wasn't riding all out at that stage. So if Bates has opened up a 6 length gap and with Fallon only having hit his horse once then it must, by your reckoning, be because Fallon was also not giving his horse an all out ride at that stage mustn't it? The parameters for that were set by you after all. You also said this.

Both first slaps from jockeys were a long way out and were meant as wake up calls for their mounts and even if Fallon did use the whip less that Bates from 4f out (and I've just shown that he didn't) schoolboy error there from you as not only did he not give up as his final finishing run and position clearly indicates to anyone with half a clue about racing, but not using all of his whip allocation from around half a mile to go obviously makes sense if he wants to have some left at the real business end. No doubt if he used them all with 2f or 1f to go and then put it down and went hands and heels, you and plenty of other clueless posters would have been accusing him of having stopped riding and thrown the race just as his horse was making ground and responding.

Firstly, this schoolboy error you refer to is that I said Fallon didn't use the whip for around another furlong after the first use. Everyone knows that Fallon is a momentum jockey, even you, and that his last resort is to go for the whip. Ask yourself this. He's hit the horse once and there's been no response. So why would he then think that he's not going to hit him again at that point and going to save his remaining strikes till the business end? At that point he was over 10 lengths off the lead and had just got no response from his use of the whip. There was not going to be a business end, at least not one involving him, at that stage.

As they came into the straight Fallon was still nudging but it was in no way an all out drive. This is why I say I think at that stage he had decided he wasn't going to catch the first 3 and had accepted it. From previous comments on this thread it seems that's where McCririck also felt it's where he was giving up. I might be wrong but just as they entered the straight I'm pretty sure he gave a glance to his left where Dale Swift on the 5th was still full out. It was just after that he used his whip for the second time, perhaps because there was 4th place prize money, but this time did get a response.

Why would I have accused him of throwing the race when I'm well aware of the whip allocation? So aware in fact that I realised that Bates had almost certainly put his whip down at the furlong pole because he'd hit his horse 8 times. Now what's the maximum amount of strikes they're allowed ima?

Now as I was saying, I have never questioned the ride. At the point he got no response from that first smack it looked like it was all up for him. What I'm not accepting though is the excuse of not being able to push the horse for that distance which he's used and much less your shambolic attempts to steadfastly go along with it. Hopefully this will finally bring an end to your superior sounding drivel, on this thread at least, but hey I wouldn't bet on it.

Smelling salts for Ima. Smelling salts for ima.

People ask me to be brief and so now I will. That post Marcee was complete and utter inaccurate drivel and not even a close representation of what actually happened in the race, so if you want an accurate one then go back and read any of my previous posts in this thread.

So go on then, how did I do salmon spray?

Why are you posting your **** at 04.43, surely your bird can't be that f***ing ugly?
I'm down your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks for the QPR/Sunderland match, fancy meeting up for a fight?

IMA on being prompted as to his ownership claims previously

I was part of a small syndicate that owned a not very good bumper/hurdler by Alphabatim with Charlie Swan called Canthurlin Lass with the claim to fame of making its debut in the same race as Moscow Flyer but that's where the similarities end.

You were also nearly right too Sir Epicure Mammon but wrong syndicate and was part of one that owned a few called Telegrapgh Callgirl that won a few at Southwell and set up the odd winning gamble when with Mel Brittain and another called Telegraphter also with Mel Brittain.


Eclipse (Management) Newmarket Ltd owned Telegraph (not Telegrapgh) Callgirl until 12th July 1990 - no wins for the syndicate Racing Telegraph after they took it over despite claims of gambles and wins from one subscriber above.

Canthurlin Lass - ran 5 times. PU once, finished other four races beaten a total of 225 lengths. Owned by the CR Syndicate. Slower than one particular owner who owned a hair on his back.

Telegraphter was owned by the syndicate Racing Telegraph - ran 5 times in sprints and couldn't have been further back each time if Fallon was riding.

The latter two amuse me as you will have done your tenner a month 'owner' fees with little enjoyment, the first one though looks to be a little porkie on your part John.

O Hara is getting it up the jaxxy now......

Ima / John ? has been posting on other threads during the day, it is a surprise he hasn't already responded to PBT's post. I'm sure he's drafting a response as we speak.

Speaking as a neutral with no dog in this fight I'd say ima has had a right pasting from all quarters. I don't think you'll see him on this thread again. He'll be licking his wounds for some time I'd imagine.

Hopefully we have seen the last of him

When the money is down some jockeys look like different riders,most of them actually,except the phenom...mccoy

TAXI for mr scanlon / ohara / ima. ........

drlovepants 22 Aug 14 07:42 
Why are you posting your **** at 04.43, surely your bird can't be that f***ing ugly?
I'm down your neck of the woods in a couple of weeks for the QPR/Sunderland match, fancy meeting up for a fight?

Right because everyone works 9-5 don't they?

As for you fight offer, I don't know whether to laugh or be scared, that's be scared as in how much of a fruit bat must you be to challenge someone to a fight via an Internet forum purely on the basis that you disagreed with their view on a particular matter? Care in the community lives on so it seems. Plus I would love to meet but unfortunately have to behave myself for the next few years after reluctantly taking a police caution for common assault that I'm in the process of getting rescinded considering I acted in self defence after winning a court case and was attacked outside of course with a weapon, which then resulted in my attacker being taken to hospital in an emergency ambulance and although I've been told it's as good as off my record, I'm waiting to have it formally confirmed and don't think after pleading my innocence it would be a good idea to meet up somewhere for a fight, do you?

I'll tell you what I will do though, give me the word and I'll PM you my address and you can come to my doorstep and then it looks like it was you looking for trouble as you came to me and I was only protecting myself. How about that? Can you be trusted though not to reveal that I gave you my details and so effectively encouraged you once you start taking your meals via a blender and pick up Sky Sports on the contraption holding your face together?

Plus there was that other time once when another driver cut me up and when I tooted him he flicked the finger at me, so I caught up with him at the lights, dragged him out of his car by his tie, knocked the sh1t out of him and then left him in a heap with parting shot of....

"And get back to school anyway you thieving little b@stard!"

Sorry PBT were you supposed to be telling me something I didn't already know there?

I'm embarrassed for you here now as I'm sure on your birth certificate it doesn't say Taylor's Bloodstock Ltd as if that was the names given to you by your parents and unless you changed to that via deed poll then I'm guessing that isn't actually your name. Speaking of parents though, I would have thought you would be familiar with the term parent company, now do I need to go on and break it down into child size pieces for you or are you already blushing?

If you looked up companies such as B&Q, Comet, Superdrug and Woolworth's for example around the time that Telegraph Callgirl was running I'm sure they would have been listed under the ownership of their parent company Kingfisher PLC, although possibly Comet might not have been around then by I digress. If you click the link below you will see info on Eclipse Management Newmarket Ltd where it was run by Cliff Woof based in Bury Road, Newmarket and you can scroll down to the full address and check the postcode too and where they are on the map if you like:

http://companies.findthebest.co.uk/l/961520/Eclipse-Management-Newmarket-Limited-in-Newmarket-United-Kingdom

The contact details for the Racing Telegraph are also here:

http://racingtelegraph.co.uk/ContactUs.php?s=

If you also type Telegraph Callgirl into the Racing Post search box you will see she won 3 races when 5/2f, 5/4f and 3/1 2f to the 5/2f of that race. The time she won at 5/4f they advised me to put my mortgage on as she had run well previously to be 2nd the time before. I'm sorry though if I inadvertently hit a couple of side by side keys together to make Telegrapgh rather than Telegraph and imagine that eh, someone making a typo but not to worry as I was thinking about starting up a support group anyway for "safety in numbers" if you like, with the slogan:

Al crup tipysts uf teh wurld untie!

Racing Telegraph was another horse connections had and was trained by Conrad Allan and if you search for it too on the RP site then have a look at the owner's name. All of this was during the late 80s early 90s when they had the Racing Telegraph tipping service on teletext and they are still around now on the Internet as the 2nd link above shows. As a result of becoming a member I must have gone onto a database and was sent a glossy brochure by other syndicates like Elite Racing and Cheveley Park in their earlier days as well as the Palacegate horses with Jack Berry, but I was young then and Millwall, girls and going out on Saturday nights started to take a lot of my money but I could easily have lied and said I was part of any of those syndicates, especially considering horses like Soviet Song and Palacegate Jack were involved and any number of top notch Cheveley Park runners too.

My family on my late father's side are from Galway and live close to the racecourse and I've been over many times myself. My cousin ran the Canthurlin Lass syndicate I was a member of and none of the RT horses or Canthurlin Lass were very good but I think I had suggested as much when saying:

"I was part of a small syndicate that owned a not very good bumper/hurdler by Alphabatim with Charlie Swan called Canthurlin Lass with the claim to fame of making its debut in the same race as Moscow Flyer but that's where the similarities end"

yet this is all totally irrelevant anyway as it was alluded to by others to me that because you pay owner bills then somehow your view on racing matters counts for more than anyone else's, which I said at the time was a daft point anyway but then as a caveat also pointed out I had actually been an owner too and then didn't try to big it up with a pack of lies, yet I might just as well have done anyway lol. Even if I had owned a Derby winner but said something ridiculous on a racing matter it would still be ridiculous, just as if I have never even owned a My Little Pony before but said something accurate and logical on a racing matter then it would still be accurate and logical. Like I might have mentioned before, I go more by what's been said rather than who's doing the saying.

Imagine that though eh, someone on the Internet used the er, Internet to find out (and failed) if something someone else said was true or not. Whatever crafty methods will such geniuses think of next? Do you really think I would lie over something and be daft enough to give such specific finer detail rather than be vague and think that it couldn't be checked in a matter of minutes?.......And as for the porkie pies, I've leave that to you PBT and your accusations of air shots from Fallon on your horse a while back.

holywell 22 Aug 14 21:45 
Ima / John ? has been posting on other threads during the day, it is a surprise he hasn't already responded to PBT's post. I'm sure he's drafting a response as we speak.

It's Sean as it happens thanks holywell and I suppose it should really be no skin off my @rse if strangers on the Internet want to think I'm a liar and if I'm honest I should really just laugh it off, but with the level of intellect of some on here as shown by the comments made even before I've had time to put my side of thing across, unless you deny it just for the record then clearly they put 2 and 2 together and get 44 and take it as gospel.

Eeternaloptimist 22 Aug 14 22:25 
Speaking as a neutral with no dog in this fight I'd say ima has had a right pasting from all quarters. I don't think you'll see him on this thread again. He'll be licking his wounds for some time I'd imagine.

LMAO....cheers for that Eeternaloptimist and that genuinely tickled me and will help make the time go faster now, considering you're about as neutral as a Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon getting involved in a fight between his gate-crashing son and the birthday boy at a Bar Mitzvah!

GLASGOWCALLING 22 Aug 14 22:57 
TAXI for mr scanlon / ohara / ima. ........

So polite and respectful by referring to me as Mr and it hasn't gone unappreciated but I don't really take taxis now after an incident I had once where I didn't quite have enough money for the fare, so asked the driver if he could reverse back a bit but he wasn't too impressed.

Oh and don't dare anyone complain about the length of this post either by the way.

ima /sean.

I knew you wouldn't let me down, although as I've stated in the past I only ever read the paragraph you write in response to my posts.

Which is fair enough holywell and is the very reason I bold names and those it's relevant to can see it straight away and others can please themselves if they also want to or can move on if not.

Anyway I'm about to finish soon, now that the last of the dirty stop outs are being politely tufted out and then I'm off for a kip but just remembered to post this regarding the Racing Telegraph if PBT or anyone else is remotely interested.

Our History...
March 1990 – The Racing Telegraph moves to offices on Bury Road, Newmarket, an address shared by some of the top trainers in the country, if not the world including Sir Michael Stoute, John Gosden, Jeremy Noseda, Luca Cumani, Clive Brittain and the all-powerful Godolphin team. Situated next door to the world famous Limekilns and the ground breaking, Al Bahathri all-weather gallop heralding more success, as we launch a hugely popular racing club and our first horse, Telegraph Call-girl lands a hat-trick on the revolutionary fibresand at Southwell (right).

The original text can be found on this link below if clicking "Next" to go to 2 from the webpages 1-6

http://www.racingtelegraph.co.uk/about_us.php

Not a bad come back Reggie kray

Well I will be in The Flying Scotsman at Kings Cross all morning on the day of the match so please come along, it will be nice to meet you.
Mind I am sh1tting myself as you sound well hard-as-nails?
Please be gentle with me.....

Does that pub still have strippers in on a dinner time

Oh yes indeed, ropey as f**k most of em mind. A few years ago there were a load of skint Eastern-European types who would lez-up provided everyone chucked 20p in the bucket.
Now they wont get there quims out for less than a quid!
Inflation eh?

My mate got chucked out for putting 2p in the bucket,she was a beautiful Brazilian bird,some booser that !

Can't see the likes of IMA or PBT mixing in that sort of pub lol

Ima will show as he's nails if you read his albeit un-corroborrated tales of derring-do.
I am well sh1tting meself and it will be a miracle if I even survive let alone lay a decent shot on him.
If I was a bookie I'd be chalking up Ima Tw@t at 1-8!

cufcno1 23 Aug 14 09:08 
Not a bad come back Reggie kray

Ta if you mean me.....actually hang on a minute, was he the gay one?

Although I actually used to think "Reggae" referred to one of the Kray twins.

drlovepants 23 Aug 14 09:22 
Well I will be in The Flying Scotsman at Kings Cross all morning on the day of the match so please come along, it will be nice to meet you.
Mind I am sh1tting myself as you sound well hard-as-nails?
Please be gentle with me.....

With reference to the common assault charge I'm getting rescinded, what part of:

"......I'm waiting to have it formally confirmed and don't think after pleading my innocence it would be a good idea to meet up somewhere for a fight, do you?

I'll tell you what I will do though, give me the word and I'll PM you my address and you can come to my doorstep and then it looks like it was you looking for trouble as you came to me and I was only protecting myself"

didn't you quite understand the first time?

As for sounding hard and at the risk of sounding conceited, I like to think I've been trained well enough to be articulate and intelligent and with a fair level of diplomacy skills not to usually have to end up rolling about in the street to resolve any disagreements, but am also clued up and realistic enough to know that sometimes it's going that way regardless and you just have to get on with it or else some p1ssed up punters too thick to tell otherwise will see anything else as a sign of weakness. 

cufcno1 23 Aug 14 10:00 
Can't see the likes of IMA or PBT mixing in that sort of pub lol

I've used and worked plenty of rough pubs and clubs around the Old and New Den area, as well as Bermondsey and New Cross and the Old Kent Road isn't the cheapest square on the Monopoly board for nothing.

Watch your back drlovepants,he will find you,and he will kill you,you might end up hanging off the m25

Gulp!

I knew reverse psychology would flush you out quicker than a turd in a Bombay curry house ima. Or should we call you Big Vern from now on? I particularly liked this bit:

As for sounding hard and at the risk of sounding conceited, I like to think I've been trained well enough to be articulate and intelligent and with a fair level of diplomacy skills not to usually have to end up rolling about in the street to resolve any disagreements, but am also clued up and realistic enough to know that sometimes it's going that way regardless and you just have to get on with it or else some p1ssed up punters too thick to tell otherwise will see anything else as a sign of weakness.

A man after my own heart I thought. You never start it and you never lose it. Cold, hard, balls of steel. Let em come. One and all. Out on the cobbles and over they go. No hard feelings, in for a pint and you've done all their dental work for free. Luverly jubbly. And then? And then? You broke my heart big fella:

Plus there was that other time once when another driver cut me up and when I tooted him he flicked the finger at me, so I caught up with him at the lights, dragged him out of his car by his tie, knocked the sh1t out of him and then left him in a heap with parting shot of....

"And get back to school anyway you thieving little b@stard!"


You let me down Vern. We only do our own and we clean up our own mess. No women and children and we leave the working man out of it. Unless of course when you say he cut you up you mean with our little friend Stanley or a cutlass me hearty. That of course would put things in a whole new light my friend. Anyway forget all that caper and don't you worry about that common assault malarkey. They'll never take you alive and even if they do they haven't built prison doors wide enough to force your shoulders through em or bars strong enough you can't bend em round yer pecker me old son.

You ain't doing no bird. See you on the Costas. Ssssssssshhhhhh. Loose lips get fackin cut off.

If you want to use kidology that it was reverse psychology Eeternaloptimist then you really are the eternal optimist and I would have replied to PBT regardless considering he all but called me a bullsh1tting liar and there was so much wrong in his post that needed putting right. The schoolboy road rage incident was actually a joke and schoolboy humour but don't worry, I'm also aware much of you post above is too.

I don't think I would last in prison though as I don't handle the cold very well and might have to ask if they can put another bar on.

Allegations of "Conspiracy to Defraud"[edit]
In the spring of 2004 the News of the World newspaper made allegations of race fixing against Fallon. He was due to appear before the Jockey Club later in the year to answer the allegations when on 1 September 2004, he was arrested as part of a police investigation into the alleged fixing of over 80 races in the previous two years. On 15 December 2004 the Jockey Club discontinued its investigation into the allegations.

On 3 July 2006, Fallon was charged along with seven other people for conspiring to defraud the Internet betting exchange Betfair. Fallon was banned from riding in the UK until his trial was over, but was still able to race in the Republic of Ireland.[6]

On 8 October 2007, his trial on charges of race-fixing began at the Old Bailey court in London. On 7 December 2007, the judge decided the defendants had no case to answer and he directed the jury to find Fallon and all his co-defendants not guilty because of lack of evidence.[7][8] His suspension from British racing was lifted with immediate effect.

Positive tests[edit]
On 29 November 2006 French racing authority France Galop suspended Fallon for six months after testing positive for a metabolite of a prohibited substance after riding at Chantilly on 9 July 2006. The ban ran from 7 December 2006 to 6 June 2007. On 8 December 2007, it was revealed by the Daily Mail that Fallon tested positive again for a banned substance on 19 August 2007 at Deauville Racecourse in France.[11] On 25 January 2008 Fallon received an 18 month riding suspension for this offence. He resumed race riding at Lingfield Park on 4 September 2009.[12]

Two-year ban for Fallon's jockey partner Milczarek after BHA corruption probe
By MARCUS TOWNEND and ARTHUR MARTIN UPDATED: 08:42, 15 December 2011
   
RACEMAIL COMMENT
Marcus Townend: After a miserable year, this verdict made it a good day for the sport
Top female rider Kirsty Milczarek, the partner of former champion jockey Kieren Fallon, has been banned from racing for two years after the biggest corruption probe the sport has ever seen.
Milczarek, who has vowed to appeal against the suspension, was one of four riders punished.
The 26-year-old jockey, who brought a dose of glamour to the world of horse racing by posing for a series of racy photoshoots in lingerie recently, was found guilty of committing ‘corrupt or fraudulent’ practices by the British Horseracing Authority.
Milczarek, known as Milkshake by fellow jockeys, was also found to have passed on information for a reward.
The jockey, one of the best female British riders, started dating 46-year-old Fallon shortly after he had been banned for failing a drug test for the second time in his turbulent career.

KIEREN FALLON has been relieved of his riding duties for Sheikh Mohammed Obaid Al Maktoum although the jockey will continue to ride for Luca Cumani, the owner's main trainer.

Fallon, who gave the sheikh his biggest win of the season so far when steering Danadana to success in the Group 3 Huxley Stakes at Chester, is not engaged to ride for the owner this weekend when he has fancied runners at Sandown on both Friday and Saturday.

Sheikh Obaid has 24 horses with Cumani, about a quarter of the string at Bedford House Stables, including Afsare, whom James Doyle has been booked to ride in the Listed Gala Stakes at Sandown on Friday.

Cumani said: "Sheikh Obaid has requested that Kieren doesn't partner his horses any more but he still rides for me and will ride Velox at Haydock on Friday.

"On Saturday I have let him off riding for me elsewhere as he wanted to ride Banoffee in the Lancashire Oaks and he can't ride Franciscan there in the Old Newton Cup as he won't be able to do the weight."

Fallon has been Cumani's first jockey since he returned from an 18-month ban in September 2009.

controversy and allegations of corruption surround this jockey and the people he associates with , how is granted a riding licence begger's belief really 

multi millionaires can afford the best solicitors who can make the bumbling BHA lot look like idiots.

In the Fallon case the CPS and their key Australian witness made the BHA look like masterminds.

chapman does any of the above he looses his job says it all really

BIGMART... Finish the story on Kirsty.

Kirsty Milczarek wins appeal against two-year corruption ban
Jockey Kirsty Milczarek has been cleared of two corruption charges after evidence supplied by her former boyfriend, Kieren Fallon, cast enough doubt on the original verdict of the British Horseracing Authority disciplinary panel for an appeal board to reverse the decision.
In crucial new material, Fallon told the hearing in a telephone conference call from Dubai that he had been driving Milczarek, his girlfriend at the time, to meetings in Britain, while he himself was serving a second ban for cocaine abuse.
Fallon’s version of events, involving an explanation of text messages transmitted between him and Milczarek on their journey to and from the races – it was alleged he was inside a petrol garage when Milczarek texted him from the forecourt – was sufficient to raise doubts over Milczarek’s alleged connection with the leading culprits in a case that has been described as the biggest corruption case in BHA history. The case focused on 10 races run between Jan 17 and Aug 15, 2009, and allegedly netted the conspirators about £280,000.
Milczarek, 27, was delighted at being cleared, saying: “I’ve spoken to the boss [Luca Cumani] and he wants me back as soon as possible, but I’ve been working as a 'nag and nanny’ back home in Essex looking after horses and children and I don’t want to let the family I’ve been employed by down.
“I’ve been eventing and hunting all winter, but there’s reasonably fit and there’s racefit and I’ll need to ride a good few bits of work before I’m ready to race-ride. It certainly won’t be this week, but it won’t be long.”
While Milczarek had her two-year ban quashed and is eligible to resume riding immediately, both Maurice Sines and James Crickmore, the two owners found to have masterminded a corruption plot that enabled them to lay horses in which they were involved, had their appeals dismissed. and will still be forced to serve long periods of disqualification.

So basically the only thing with any merit all of that cut and pasting told us was that Fallon failed a drug test which I think as well as him being in part a flawed human being is common knowledge.

Everything else was essentially meaningless.

" controversy and allegations of corruption surround this jockey and the people he associates with , how is granted a riding licence begger's belief really  Cry"

An old interview of his in the Mirror in 2010.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kieren-fallon-interview-jockey-reveals-228180

Suspensions for drug-taking, a spell in alcohol rehab, false allegations of race-fixing and bust-ups with rivals... no wonder it's not only the horsey set who've heard of Kieren Fallon.But the six-times champion Flat jockey swears he's a changed man.
More than a quarter of a century on from riding the first of his many winners, he says: "I suppose the penny's dropped at last.
"It's taken me 45 years but I've finally grown up. I just hope it's not too late."

If his current form is anything to go by, it certainly isn't. In his "comeback" year he's breathing down the neck of titleholder Ryan Moore in the championship tussle as he battles to win back his old crown.

Kieren also has an enviable raft of mounts booked for Royal Ascot starting next Tuesday. And there's a steely glint in his eyes that shows he really means it when he says he wants to win more now than ever.

During our interview at Salisbury race course - just after he's won his first race of the day - he seems relaxed.

He even jokes that the thing he regrets most about the troubles in his career is "getting caught". But he has a serious side.

It's been nine months since Kieren returned from an 18-month ban for testing positive for cocaine.

The blow came just days after he was cleared of accusations of race-fixing that had dogged him for nearly four years.

Along with five others, Kieren had been accused of throwing races in a £2.2million scam. But an Old Bailey judge threw out the case, saying Kieren had none to answer.

Although he was overjoyed, the trial and the ban on him throughout the investigation took its toll - and still irks him.

After all, on a horse is where Kieren feels happy - the "only" place he does - and having racing taken away from him hurt.

He says: "The thing that annoyed me most is that it took so long. That court case hung around me for years. Why did it take threeand-a-half years - then just 10 minutes to throw it out? It really skinned me.

"I couldn't sleep at night. You never know what might happen, who else was involved and what they might have done. That's very hard to get away from, that somebody maybe has done something wrong."

It annoys Kieren that he's still associated with it. Does he feel people think there's no smoke without fire? "Of course. I just stick with it. I'm still working hard but I'm not back yet. I still have a long way to go."

While he holds his hands up to the problems he's brought on himself, he believes he's also had unfair treatment.

Known for his generosity helping new riders, he says his "bad boy" tag is silly - pointing out his restraint in March when owner David Reynolds punched him.

Kieren says: "He came up and just hit me - sneaky. Did it hurt? No. People asked why I didn't sue him but there was no point. I used to box and he hits like a girl anyway."

He wasn't so flippant when he got his first six-month ban in 1994 for dragging fellow jockey Stuart Webster off his horse after a race.

But Kieren says: "I had that one little ding-dong and it seemed to follow me.

"Like the court case. Everyone knows I had nothing to do with it but it's still there and no matter what, whether it's good or bad, something always gets thrown in. 'Oh yeah, the Old Bailey case,' or 'Oh yeah, the drug problem.'

"But these things are sent to test us, aren't they? I was weak at times but I feel as if I've grown up. This time out I learned a lot about life.

"I nearly threw away a career, something I love. I feel happiest on a horse... only on a horse."

He laughs. But he's only half joking. Even Kirsty Milczarek, his girlfriend of two-and-a-half years and herself an accomplished jockey, has said Kieren thinks more of horse-racing than her.

The 25-year-old said: "I'd like to say he loves me as much... but I don't reckon he does."

So, is that true? Kieren jokes sheepishly: "Come on! You're just trying to cause a domestic, aren't you?" Then he continues: "No, she's a great girl and she's a great rider. She can be nice... but she can be fiery."

Kieren split in 2005 from ex-wife Julie, the mother of his three children Natalie, 16 and twins Cieren and Britanny, 11.

Now, surely, being with a partner who understands the pressures of jockeys' lifestyles can only be good?

"Yeah, you could say it is - but it f***ing isn't," he laughs. "Kirsty knows too much. Like when you're out partying and she knows to get from Newbury to Suffolk to our home in Newmarket is two hours. And then it takes me three..."

But Kieren's partying days aren't like they used to be. His return in September from his last ban followed a previous six months out in November 2006 when he first tested positive for cocaine.

And, as much as he says those days are behind him, they're the driving force behind his determination to win back the champion jockey's title from Moore.

He still rode out while suspended and kept fit playing squash, golf and going to the gym. But nothing could match the thrill of the racecourse - a feeling Kieren was desperate to experience again. And he says: "I feel satisfaction when I win even more so now. I need it more than ever. I've something to prove."

Just days earlier, he'd returned home from the Italian Oaks, which he won on Contredanse, trained by Luca Cumani who now has first call on Kieren.

But he continues: "I've got to prove to the owners and trainers that I can get back to where I was as well as proving it to myself."

It's all going the right way. His weight is good, around 8st 8lb for his 5ft 3in frame. And he says: "I feel great at the moment.

"My confidence is back, my body's in great shape, and, thank God, I've only had one or two falls in my career." He seems to forget that one of those falls - at Royal Ascot 2000 - severed an artery in his shoulder and the other left him needing 40 stitches inside and outside his cheek that left a scar.

But they never affected his rapport with horses that started as he grew up on a West Ireland farm in Crusheen, Co Clare.

Kieren spent much of his teens "milking cows or going fishing with mates". He says: "I didn't start racing properly until I was 18. Before then it was bareback, we'd just jump on and away we'd go."

It was this freedom, he says, that made conforming in later life difficult. He says: "I was a bit wild, even though I didn't have a drink until I was 19 or 20."

"But I always felt a bond with horses. They're easier than humans because they're very intuitive. It's a pity people don't have that - then we'd know who to stay away from and who you can trust.

NERVE

"That's why the most important thing for a jockey is your bottle, your nerve. If you haven't got it, the horse is going to react. He's going to feel it and think there's something wrong.

"But my nerve's 100%. Nothing phases me out there."

So Kieren is "very excited" about putting himself to the test once more at Royal Ascot as he aims for the jockey's title. He says: "Winning it again means everything - if not this year then next because I've got plenty of years if I look after myself and be sensible."

Sounds like he really has grown up - though he smiles: "Well, this year I'll be killing myself to win the championship.

"But after that I'll be sensible ..."

matt given his own article in the post today p14, getting stuck into k fallon and linda jewell, the debate looks set to rumble on.

Good piece from Chapman. Spot on imo.

Yes, good work from Chapman. Good to have a considered response to the ridiculous piece by Fallon.

It is a considered piece by Chapman but will it make any difference? I am guessing virtually every jockey in the weighing room will fall within the Fallon mentality. Criticism and jockeys have never been happy bedfellows.

I've not read the Weekender bit, so only seen some of the comments/fallout on here but would agree, Chapper's Rancid Post reaction does seem measured and well-reasoned so defo, good on him for retaliating in such a quality fashion.

Does Matt Chapman's tone and demeanour in the video below sound like an impartial journalist/presenter just putting things out there to leave everyone else to form their own opinion once in possession of the facts?

Both John McCririck and Julian Muscat clearly seem to be embarrassed for him and do their best to (faux) agree at times so as to help him save face and McCririck does it to the extent that he's so keen to placate Chapman so that he's not shown to totally disagree with the embarrassingly poor assessment that he doesn't even do so in the right place and so Chapman then disagrees with McCririck.

I was still waiting for the part where Fallon was supposed to have accepted it which Chapman mentioned after only half a mile gone and I must also have missed the bits where he looked like pulling up too, because all I saw then was him bumping along in the saddle and shortly after that giving his horse a slap with the whip that Chapman was forced to insert off the cuff when winging it as he was going along. This then brought the totally correct response from McCririck that Fallon had not actually give up at all and was still pushing along and trying to make it go faster, just as Champam then surpassed himself by telling us no nothing viewers that the horse was moving "slightly" forward just as it then went passed one runner and was about to close in and go by another that at the time had a 3-4L break on him.

Chapman then told us Fallon has given up (again) and that he was not rowing, just as he was getting his hands and reins organised to er, start rowing despite the viewers being told that Fallon's horse was about to drop out of the TV screen. I also must have clearly missed the part when Chapman said Fallon sits up and when he said that and McCririck in his eagerness to placate and agree on something added "that's where he gives up" Chapman rightly stated that no it wasn't and Fallon was still nudging but in order to fill time until it did happen, he warned us all to watch him turning in and he would tell us all just in a moment where this sitting up took place. Expect unfortunately it never did happen and once he realised as much he came out with the nonsense claim of "just there" followed by "he's basically stopped riding" and then "there" as almost as if the first time he told us it would happen and it didn't, if he said it again then there might be an element of the emperor's new clothes about it all.

Finally just for good measure we then get told Fallon "basically stops riding" and "definitely sits up for a stride or two" as if Chapman's trying now to convince himself over what he's saying happened rather than anyone else, just as Fallon demonstrated this so called accepting it/giving up/stopping riding/sitting up via that well know method to achieve those very things by giving his horse its 2nd and 3rd smack of the whip and continued with enough more to follow to result in a whip ban.

Oh and Matt, the reason Fallon got the ban was that he hit the horse 11 times in total and 6-7 times inside the final furlong, such was his effort to try to actually win the race and when John McCririck becomes the voice of reason then you really know you are in trouble!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMTEpKuHRvM

Looks like Chemical Ima was up late last night, seethe on.

LOL "Chemical Ima?" How does that even make sense?

I'm also up late (or actually early) most nights as that's what my business involves and not everyone has a 9-5 job.

No surprise either that you weren't able to counter anything I said above and show me where Matt Chapman was supposed to be correct, but then again I very much doubt you even bothered to watch the video or listen to his nonsense and why would you and break form when all you ever do is post generic comments and make sweeping statements that have no merit to them?

If you had the wherewithal to actually construction a decent response that didn't have to descend into playground style petty name calling and instead was just you telling me you didn't agree with my views and then outlined specific points as to why not, then you might actually have something about you but I'm sure there are obvious reasons why you don't and that's mainly because you can't.

I also think considering it's you resorting to the name calling that you also might have to look a little closer to home for the seething one between us. You like many others on here strike me as someone who doesn't like Fallon and so anything said by anyone that can be seen as not totally negative towards him and not ripping him to shreds irks you, so their points made are ignored and you don't even attempt an alternative argument in the same way that with some people if someone else supports another football team other than theirs then the only interaction they can have with them is abuse and the total opposite view regardless.

I think it should be construct not construction, but then again I might be wrong ,it just doesn't look right to me.

Yes you are correct Breedingmad it's a typo so sorry about that.

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differentdrum 26 Aug 14 12:49 Joined: 05 Oct 11 | Topic/replies: 2,475 | Blogger: differentdrum's blog
It is a considered piece by Chapman but will it make any difference? I am guessing virtually every jockey in the weighing room will fall within the Fallon mentality. Criticism and jockeys have never been happy bedfellows.

Spot on. Jockeys all too happy to accept praise (sometimes not merited) but the slightest hint of criticism and they are so to speak on their high horse.

It's a cultural thing; they have been like that since I can remember and younger jockeys grow up in that environment. Will take a lot to change it.

Far from a Chapman fan but good on him for batting his corner in a measured manner.

Rishi interviewed James Doyle a day or two after his ride on Captain Cat. Rishi said to Doyle you had one or two critics after that ride including me and Doyle admitted he got it wrong. He was sorry for the connections and the trainer, I'm not sure he mentioned punters, but, still it's a step in the right direction that an up and coming young jockey can admit he got it wrong in front of the camera.

Everyone makes mistakes and hopefully learn from them, unfortunately when a jockey makes a genuine mistake it costs people thousands of pounds hence the uproar.

Aug 27, 2014 -- 4:09AM, ima_mazed66 wrote:

Yes you are correct Breedingmad it's a typo so sorry about that.

One sentence, has your keyboard broken down

Mr Felon should have enough money to donate him a new keyboard after all his place lays on betfair when the horses tire 50 yards before the line.

This post is getting as long as War And Peace. Give it a rest, gentlemen?

MJK    27 Aug 14 12:01 
One sentence, has your keyboard broken down.

That's all it takes when the point isn't in dispute though isn't it?

What did you want me to do, lie and say I edited my post and originally put "If you had the wherewithal regarding the  actual construction of a decent response......" but then forgot to edit the word construction and change it to construct?

Contrary to PBT's thinking I'm not actually a liar and funny isn't it that after not seeing him for a good while he comes back all guns blazing accusing me of all sorts and when I put him right yet again he goes AWOL.

dom888    27 Aug 14 12:14 
Mr Felon should have enough money to donate him a new keyboard after all his place lays on betfair when the horses tire 50 yards before the line.

What like Bwindi did you mean? Before today he has had 53 winner, 40 2nds and 46 3rds from 382 rides, meaning around 36% or over 1 in 3 of his rides ends up either a winner or placed. This included the 40/1 winner of the 2000gns which I'm sure you will be happy for me that I backed at 70-odd on here and so much for playing laying him then but why let the facts get in the way of an argument eh?

The Pinhooker    27 Aug 14 16:13 
This post is getting as long as War And Peace. Give it a rest, gentlemen?

I'm not trying to be rude here but it's not compulsory to come into the thread. There are several very long threads on here that from the titles or having clicked on them when they first appeared I'm no longer interested in now so I don't bother with any more.

Get into bed ima mazed.....or is it im john o hara thesedays......or im not sean scanlan.....or just ima knobbend.....
Anyway whatever guise you want to be known as........the message is still the same.....get into bed and don't be annoying people ya nuisance......

LOL.....and people say I'm obsessed.

If anyone were to ask paulie numbnuts what his problem is with me then I bet he wouldn't even remember himself.

Looking well forward to meeting me ol mate Ima in The Scotsman on Saturday lunchtime, bricking it mind, he knew Wonnie n' Wedge dont you know. Vey ahnly evva urt ver awn koind! Nevva went lookin forrit...

No surprise either that you weren't able to counter anything

I make it a rule not to bother arguing with the pub bore.

All together now....there's  only one john o hara...... There's only one john o hara..... There's only one john o hara.....there's only one john o hara.......and thank fukk there's only one of them..... Imagine if there was another writing this Shiite every day of the week.....

Bwindi runs at Wexford today (16:55) over 2 miles.

Not many people saying how well Bwindi ran yesterday and can't even blame Fallon