Fallon on Bwindi - Did they get the lot

Dear oh dear. A disgusting ride

What on earth was that?

What on earth was that?

Bet your live someone did!

A disgusting man............... Soon the better he foo k s of f

MID-Race 'in-running' prices ...

BEFORE the late Charge.

8.00               £125         
8.20               £93         
8.40               £24         
8.60               £18         
8.80               £10         
9.00               £104         
9.20               £6         
9.40               £2         
9.80               £22         
10.00               £1,085         
10.50               £11         
11.00               £71         
11.50               £151         
12.00               £6         
13.00               £129         
14.00               £20         
15.50               £2         
16.00               £107         
16.50               £10         
17.00               £46         
18.00               £53         
19.00               £0         
19.50               £1         
20.00               £411         
21.00               £88         
22.00               £19         
24.00               £134         
25.00               £6         
26.00               £127         
27.00               £14         
28.00               £175         
29.00               £11         
30.00               £27         
32.00               £481         
34.00               £1         
38.00               £4         
40.00               £55         
44.00               £4         
46.00               £20         
48.00               £16         
50.00               £12         
55.00               £25         
60.00               £10         
65.00               £3         
70.00               £7         
80.00               £9         
90.00               £1         
95.00               £1         
100.00               £11

To be fair he could have given up the ghost 2 out the horse was going up and own. Why did they leave the head gear  off? shirly would have won with them on.

Hilarious stuff. A 5 page reply on why it was a great ride to follow no doubt.

Matt you're obviously reading this after your comments on ATR

Surely it is your job to question it, you certainly would if it was a young apprentice, why not Fallon?

the writing was on the wall a long way out yet fallon waited until the winner was gone before going for the whip strange

Bit smelly that I got the impression that Fallon was play acting half the time a few of those cracks looked like air shots, when the horse started to run on Fallon sat still and then seemed to push again all very strange but if you lose trust in a jockey these things always look suspicious.

Even Lynch would heave been proud of that...

Oh ffs behave, this place gets more and more ridiculous every day.

Just a little clue here but a race doesn't just mean the final 100 yards or so and the horse never went a yard on the surface from the start and Fallon did well to persevere for as long as he did and get it as close as he did, because many others would have given up coming off the final bend and he's practically being condemned for actually trying.

Maybe he should have just coasted home in his own time off the bend, been beaten out of sight and then nobody would bat an eyelid.....Actually it's Fallon we are talking about here so scrub that last part as someone somehow will have found a way of making it his fault regardless.

loads of dodgy goings on today that just the worst if Matt spoke the truth he be sacked but he knows it stinks

He is a fook ing sc u m b ag, always was. A great jockey when he wants too, but his devious ways ruins that.

Embarrassing Matt. You'd find the time if it was a smaller name

5 wide for as much as he could, then Fallon was looking for the distance of the leaders turning in, and only went for the horse just as it popped off the screen, interesting. Most likely the pension plan was secured there!! Definitely his last season id say.

Agree with that king kev from the toon, but you can bet your bottom dollar if it was a youngster he'd be all over it like a tramp on a fish supper

Can`t comment anymore , FAL lOVER has joined in.

ima you are talking total and utter nonsense

Clearly a suspect ride.

Fallon to train next year with Lynch and Ahern as his stable jockeys?

I wish someone could have flagged up the plan having laid it in running. 

Wasn't pleasant viewing.

I suppose Fallon is an easy target with his history of alleged corruption, adultery, drinking and drugs. Seems a nice guy when he's interviewed. I hope he writes a no holes barred book when he retires so we get to find out the truth and the fabrications.

what are you lot suggesting went on? they laid it? they backed it? it was poor but the horse was shot then everything in front of it stopped and it got a second wind

I'm glad Betfair's forum exists though as if I'm ever feeling a bit down it's great value for a laugh from clueless posters like easygold and if he thinks that ride was dodgy then that's good enough to bold, underline and increase the font size up a dozen notches that it was anything but.

Are you aware of the effect of surface kickback at Southwell Chonaic or do you think it's a good idea to race in behind runner's slipstreams and get the full brunt of it into your horse's face? It also makes no difference going 5 wide when racing in a straight line and he tucked inside on the bends and wasn't going 5 wide then or at various other stages of the race.

If people take the blinkers off (no pun intended) they will see that before today the horse was still a maiden after 5 runs, didn't run as a 2YO so was clearly backward or had some physical problem, its career trips in those 5 runs have been 7f, 7f, 7f, 10f and 12f, they've already resorted to cheek pieces in only its 4th start and blinkers in it's 5th (no headgear on today and it shown straight from the off) and shown its best form with 2nds in its last two starts (BF last time) on Good ground and Good to Firm ground.

So now today it's going 1m6f for the first time, trying the surface for the first time which is notoriously slow and probably suits soft ground runners better and as already mentioned it had no headgear on today and just for good measure is draw widest of all in stall 7 from 7 runners, so what exactly are people expecting, Fallon to blast out from the off and set out to make all with so many unknown factors involved?

But yeah anyway, in the week that Fergal Lynch gets his licence back and so this kind of thing is red hot in the news, Fallon deliberately gets a horse beaten like that. Anyone want to suggest just out of interest was the trainer in on it too by the way or an innocent party? Why even book Fallon either way for that matter?

Got to be honest that was half a length away from everyone saying what a fantastic ride it was.

He's got himself 4 days for overuse so I think there'd have been easier ways to have non jigged.

There is nothing illegal about trying to get maximum odds on your horse by backing it mid-race after giving it a mountain to climb. Effectively giving the others a 10 or 20-length start.
The plan didn't work out but it's not the first time this has been done and it won't be the last.
The horse was trying to win but wasn't asked a question until the straight.
Fallon was over confident.

would'nt touch him, or any horses he's riding, with a 20 foot barge pole.

Marcce, very true, But some of us have a long memory of young Fallon. I was one of the mugs that bet against Top Cees when it hosed up and backed it when it fell in a hole.The Lads on here all knew Betfair Eddy was at it but it took the BHA years to catch up with him so we are not all idiots.

A very true post - georgebakerfanclub

   But you should have added Mother Kelly's son, too ....

- along with Fellon's best pal - the one with the Shotgun.

I hate to say this but for once I agree with Ima The horse looks a dodgepot and a not very good one at that, if you're betting odds on at Southwell good luck Fallon maybe should have got off and carried the horse???

TRD.Racing 07 Aug 14 20:28 
ima you are talking total and utter nonsense.

Yeah of course I am and why bother taking me to task specifically and putting me in my place over any of that so called nonsense when you can just post a meaningless and totally worthless generic comment instead? I wonder why that is eh? Well let me see if I can help you here if what I posted that was apparently nonsense.

Just a little clue here but a race doesn't just mean the final 100 yards

Obviously true as horses can get outpaced early on and then stay on at the finish over a distance when others up front are tiring and it can make it look like the jockey gave it too much to do.

the horse never went a yard on the surface from the start

Again true as Fallon was getting after the horse from very early on and it ran in snatches.

Fallon did well to persevere for as long as he did and get it as close as he did, because many others would have given up coming off the final bend and he's practically being condemned for actually trying.

True once again as he looked at stages during the race as if he wouldn't even make the frame let alone go close to winning and others in the race actually did give up early and stop riding.

Maybe he should have just coasted home in his own time off the bend, been beaten out of sight and then nobody would bat an eyelid.....Actually it's Fallon we are talking about here so scrub that last part as someone somehow will have found a way of making it his fault regardless.

OK maybe that first part could be considered nonsense going by this place but I think I provided a caveat just in case.

Something else to take into consideration too is Johnny Murtagh won the previous race with his 5lb claimer on it and yet chose to book Fallon for Bwindi and there's probably a very good reason for that as Fallon has that busy riding style from early on and this horse is clearly quirky and needs plenty of stoking up. It's also very rare for Fallon to get a whip ban too as he's usually the first to start pushing and one of the last to go for the whip and that should be enough for anyone with an open mind and without an agenda to see things genuinely for how they are.

Oh and btw, which jockey won this race anyway and is he still not riding well this season?

I happen to agree with you ima but fear your flogging a dead horse

horse looked like and ran like a pig,off the bridle early and maybe did not like the kick back,

Wouldnt have happened on any other course. How many times have you seen one going from cantering to going up and down on the one spot, or one being tailed off and running on at the death. For what its worth I think he really thought he was well beat but the ones in front stopped and his mount eventually decided to run on. Nothing more in my opinion.

ima your race reading skills really are laughable. If you think what you have written is what happened I will leave you to it

Ahhhhh  a Fav gets beat thread

Nothing gets a thread going like a Fav getting beat

Do you people really bet at that shathole?

It would appear so

So like I said TRD.Racing, a meaningless and totally worthless generic comment it is then.

I won't bother asking you to explain away Fallon's whip ban either as that would obviously mean addressing something specific with a logical response rather than the same old same old once again.

Each to his own,Virgin

I wouldn't have a bet at Southwell with funny money. I don't like AW racing full stop and Southwell is as low as it gets

That was tongue in cheek Ima for once I agree with you! I really think people are getting very excited about nothing, yes the odds on favourite got beat but was at anytime travelling or looking like an odds on shot?? Don't think so and I think Fallons reputation is the reason for the hysteria and what more could he do? It's a game of opinions and it's not black and white.

Ima for **** sake give it up. As the horses are turning in if you think that's scrubbing the ears off then you just haven't a clue or are doing your usual politics for Fallon. Your posts are condescending and you can't be taken seriously due to your see no evil when it comes to your favourite jockey. Ps, still waiting for you to produce all those threads you said you criticized Fallon.

I took it that way too slowerthanjohn, hence mine not being and ending the question with an when asking it......although I'm now am wondering about your use of the phrase "for once!" Er,

Glad you mentioned Fallon's reputation though and that's my point in many of these scenarios, as had that have been Ryan Moore he would have been lauded for his efforts at least.

??????????? just don`t reply when he joins in............... I swear it`s good fun.

It's either a case of you haven't watched it more than once MJK, can't race read or Specsavers beckons for you.

No sooner had the stalls opened then the commentator was making comments like "the fav is being pushed along to get going by Kieren Fallon" and with various other comments during the race such as "Bwindi running in snatches and every now and again is being squeezed along by Fallon" or "trying to get closer is Bwindi." He is then rowing along from fully 4f out and gives it the first slap of the whip just after that, where the commentator mentions "Fallon's working on Bwindi in 4th" then off the final bend he's still rowing away and having barely straightened up, gives it a second slap of the whip with the commentator saying "at the moment it's not looking too hot for Bwindi" and "Fallon will not give up on Bwindi" and "Bwindi is beginning to run home, it didn't look good a furlong ago, here comes Bwindi with the Fallon drive" and so on and then gave the horse enough slaps to earn a whip ban too.

Oh and you seriously want me to go through 7500 post of mine to find some specific comments I've made? If your text reading is as poor as your race reading you probably wouldn't even see them again even if I did somehow manage to find them.

You can't find it Ima cause you never have criticised him in a post. Sad but true.

As I keep telling you MJK but your ability to retain info seems as poor as your eyesight, the advantage I have over you is that I am obviously aware of and have seen all of my posts which might be to do with the fact I was there as they were being typed up.

And do you know what the ultimate irony is? When I did it on once occasion by suggesting he held off going for the whip for too long, I was labelled an armchair jockey by another poster on here.

Like I said though, am I supposed to remember the name of every horse he rides? Give it a while and I won't even remember the name of the Murtagh horse here today unless it's a high profile stand out one like Bosra Sham for example.....Oh btw, does that one count?

Think commentator was exaggerating the urgency early on,looked minimal effort and from the 6f pole you would've been expecting him to be a lot more vigorous,it was a poor ride regardless they went no pace and fallon must've realized this.Think it made it look even worse when he picked up the whip when it had no chance of winning then picked up,you think he would've given it a crack at the 6f pole to get into the race another thing that makes it worse is fallon rarely hits horses from those impossible positions of winning he more often than not eases them.
Perhaps he wore himself out earlier on ghost cat chalk and cheese rides,thought he gave that a really nice ride as well!

One of the worst rides you'll ever see. What the hell he was doing down the back straight and round the final bend. Not much that's for sure.

I'm sure some of the Fallon critics on this thread post hoping as they see it ima wasting his time compiling a multi-paragraphed response. I don't think ima sees it that way, he knows that his posts will be winding up the Fallon critics so any time taken is well used.

It's a two way wind-up which will never have a conclusion.

This was the last one in my Curley accumulator, really let me down big style

Holywell.....the two way wind up ended with me a long time ago.....I blocked the tool ages ago and I don't regret it either.....what a grade A prick he is.....he'd argue with his toes the fool.....
I think the common consensus is that he is exactly that a Grade A arrsewipe.....nobody takes him seriously and rightly so.....
I think anybody with a braincell could see what happened with that ride yesterday.....yet another nail in the horse racing industry coffin in Britain....

Aug 8, 2014 -- 8:32AM, holywell wrote:

I'm sure some of the Fallon critics on this thread post hoping as they see it ima wasting his time compiling a multi-paragraphed response. I don't think ima sees it that way, he knows that his posts will be winding up the Fallon critics so any time taken is well used.It's a two way wind-up which will never have a conclusion.

Rubbish mate. He uses the 'pissing them off' excuse to try to hide his own'how dare they're attitude to any Fallon criticism. He goes on about 'balance' as well yet I've yet to see a thread on Fallon where he admits to a poor ride. He will say stuff like ' I've said at times he keeps them too far back' etc, but has anyone ever seen a thread where he says these things?

if fallon wasnt trying surely he would have just eased down when in 4th and seemingly beaten..........just come in and say it  didnt like the surface........i dont buy the making it look beat to get a bigger price in running theory

It was just such a weird ride it's hard to know exactly what was going on. What is certain is that he should have won the race easily.

think the horse just ran in snatches............probably not that good and bit of a dog

Watched it twice now ....  wasn't good enough 12 strikes I counted, winner deserved to win

Maybe if Fallon pushed harder earlier he may have won - but with that ride he didn't deserve to ... (imo)

Nothing more than a poorly judged ride; Learned to stay well away from Southwell a long time ago, mind.

Notice how he moves to the outside to go around the bends and lose as much ground as possible, while the tryers went up the inside.

Which tells you all you need to know about the ride.

ima you are a joke. What you expect the commentator to say,something like,what on earth is Fallon doing,this thing is not off a yard,what is Fallon doing down the back straight,what on earth is he doing on the turn in,OMG  once the race is over the horse is loving the place,here comes Fallon,but ohhhhhh soooo much to do

Jetlonestar, it was more than a poorly judged ride. He allowed it to get way out of its ground by doing absolutely nothing apart from shake his elbows down the back straight and around the final bend, when he was also ridiculously wide subsequently losing more ground.

From sitting relatively quietly as the leaders started to go away from him from the turn in to the home straight, to an all-out kitchen sink job in the last 2 furlongs and a 4-day whip ban. Unlucky in-running backers...

Just watched the race and after reading all the comments on here I kind of wanted to be of the opinion of giving him all the benefit of the doubt going....before I watched it that is..........after watching it it is impossible to find anything other than criticism.....it looked to my untrained eye that fallon was trying to impart to the viewer that the horse was under maximum pressure through the race and that it was a right old effort, it looked very much to me though that despite fallons "performance" on top, it really didn't match up to how it looked by watching the horse itself.....even down the stretch fallon was never putting it all in....whatever way you cut it, it was an absolutely disgusting/shocking badly judged ride.....the horse was never under the pressure that fallon was trying to make out it was IMO.

He got done for the whip, but that's a smokescreen because without the necessary shoving along with it that I don't think we saw from fallon late on, then it doesn't get the horse going properly anyway.

I'm no fan of Fallon but cannot agree with the posters who feel there was something wrong with this ride - the animal looks a dodge pot - he did well to get it so close in the end.

There was nothing untoward about this race - only beaten half a length and six lengths clear of the third - not a race where you could guarantee getting the hot fav beaten - simply a poor race with poor unreliable types involved IMO of course ......

Crepello, do you not think he allowed it to get 10+ lengths behind coming into the straight. Made little effort until the final 2 furlongs imo. shaking his elbows down the back to make it look as though he was doing something but was effectively sitting still.

asparagus - for me, the horse did not travel well at any time - I can see why some (including yourself) feel it was an ill judged ride but I thought Fallon did well on an animal that did not look in love with the game - he had only run 5 times before yesterday and had already had blinkers and cheekpieces on so it seems likely he is not straightforward

How many whip bans does Fallon pick up? Very few I would guess. Yet here he was at a crappy meeting and in a 5-bob race, going from sitting relatively passively to a picking up a whip ban...

Crepello, fair enough. We'll just agree to disagree.

Anybody that knows anything about the game knows exactly what went on here......anybody that knows anything about the game knows exactly what kind of a character Fallon is.....
What annoys me is an attempt by a half wit to try and pull the wool over clever people that watch racing day in day out ......and know the game inside out.....

A quick true tale. Many years ago a good friend of mine owned a few horses,one of them was dropped into a seller to land a touch having had a couple of not offs. The jockey was told the money was on and the horse should bolt up. He was also told to make it look like hard work as my mate wanted to keep the horse and without a bid. The horse won a head with the jock looking like he had to get very busy with it. The jockey got off and told us he had p issed up,despite looking all out. Jocks can make anything look convincing

who was the jockey TRD...............fred archer

It must have been about 15 years ago,so obviously not. I'm not saying who the jock was,but it's very true

I don't particularity need cheering up today but am still grateful for the amusement some of these posts above have given me all the same.

Dr Crippen 08 Aug 14 11:31 
Notice how he moves to the outside to go around the bends and lose as much ground as possible, while the tryers went up the inside.

Which tells you all you need to know about the ride.

Get yourself down to Specsavers because he actually did the complete opposite to what you claim and only went wide on the straight parts of the course to avoid the surface kick back and then tucked in coming into the bends. Obviously off the final bend unless he's going to hurdle the ones in front to go by them he's going to have to come wider and again to avoid the kick back, yet if he went up the inner then no doubt someone else would find a way to condemn him for that too by saying that's the slow part.

Oh and just for good measure if you watch it again the winner and 3rd also went wide and the only one to go anywhere near the inner went from disputing the 1st to 4th, all 4 horses were tired horses wandering off the final bend, with the winner's jockey even struggling to straighten it up, that same horse was going up and down on the spot with a shortening stride and none of them took much pulling up after the line as they were all fcuked and out of their feet!

TRD.Racing 08 Aug 14 13:03 
ima you are a joke. What you expect the commentator to say,something like,what on earth is Fallon doing,this thing is not off a yard,what is Fallon doing down the back straight,what on earth is he doing on the turn in,OMG  once the race is over the horse is loving the place,here comes Fallon,but ohhhhhh soooo much to do.

LOL....right so I'm a joke for forming my own views and not having the sheep mentality of many on here?

Is that commentator psychic btw because go back and watch the replay again (I know you won't as it will only serve to prove you wrong but others might take an interest anyway) and come back and tell us all how soon he says something like "the fav's one off last and being pushed along to get going by Fallon" or how far out he mentions the horse is running in snatches.

Plus if you can't see it was as much the 3 in front of Fallon stopping as it was his horse "finishing" then find a new sport to bet on as this one's clearly not for you.

asparagus 08 Aug 14 13:50 
Jetlonestar, it was more than a poorly judged ride. He allowed it to get way out of its ground by doing absolutely nothing apart from shake his elbows down the back straight and around the final bend, when he was also ridiculously wide subsequently losing more ground.

Erm, you know that bit where you said something about Fallon's elbows? Well that's actually what they do when they are riding it, their elbows go backwards and forwards as they push, scrub or row the horse along. Why don't you tell us too at what stage he first used his whip and did you want him to use up his full allocation even before coming off the final bend so he had nothing left, then let's guess what people would be saying eh? My money's on "see, he didn't even use the whip on it in the straight and wasn't even trying!"

I think I've covered the wide bit above too.

GEORGE.B 08 Aug 14 14:13 
From sitting relatively quietly as the leaders started to go away from him from the turn in to the home straight, to an all-out kitchen sink job in the last 2 furlongs and a 4-day whip ban. Unlucky in-running backers...

If scrubbing the ears off the horse on and off all race and then riding a non-stop full-on finish from 4f out with his first smack of the whip just after that mark counts as "sitting relatively quietly" then I'd love to see how manic a jockey would have to be for you to describe it as actually being ridden!

duffy 08 Aug 14 14:19 
He got done for the whip, but that's a smokescreen because without the necessary shoving along with it that I don't think we saw from fallon late on, then it doesn't get the horse going properly anyway.

Another candidate for Specsavers I'm afraid and maybe a few of you can team up and see if they do BOGOF offers.

He was shoving it along practically all race and why bother getting himself banned if the whole idea all along was not to win? Why not just put the whip down after half a dozen slaps, go hands and heels to the line and then fall back on the excuse he had used up his allocation and didn't want a ban?

And by the way, the whip is not only used to get horses to quicken but once they are going as fast as they can it won't make them go any faster but it will help prevent them stopping too much.

Oh and thank you crepello and others who can see things for what they are and nice too to restore a bit of much needed sanity in this place.

We need Fallon on here to tell us the TRUTH

I can handle it

I can't believe that ima_mazed66 writes all his bollox in defence of Fallon for free.
Somebody must be paying him to write it.

The blokes a moron. Don't bother to read it.

I haven't read ima's recent tome, but, like everyone else he's entitled to his opinion. I'm sure there will be people agree with him and equally as many disagree.

There have been differing views from some good posters on this thread, it's all about opinion and if you have been a critic or a defender I doubt anyone will change your mind.

How come the horse apparently got the better of Fallon until the home straight when Fallon got the better of him?
If a horse is a dodge-pot there is no way he would have run on for Fallon, or run in patches.
The whole thing was very strange.
If you look at the odds in running, isn't it rare to have such large sums matched at the points in the betting when it was a no-hoper?

10.00               £1,085         
10.50               £11         
11.00               £71         
11.50               £151         
12.00               £6         
13.00               £129         
14.00               £20         
15.50               £2         
16.00               £107         
16.50               £10         
17.00               £46         
18.00               £53         
20.00               £411         
21.00               £88         
22.00               £19         
24.00               £134         
26.00               £127         
27.00               £14         
28.00               £175         
29.00               £11         
30.00               £27         
32.00               £481         
40.00               £55

Dr Crippen 08 Aug 14 18:53 
I can't believe that ima_mazed66 writes all his bollox in defence of Fallon for free.
Somebody must be paying him to write it.

asparagus 08 Aug 14 19:11 
The blokes a moron. Don't bother to read it.

I love the way when posters like these two talk nonsense (although they are entitled to all the same) that when I counter it, the best they can come back with is a generic and usually abusive retort, rather than specifically address and rip to shreds my points, which should be easily enough if they are supposedly b0ll0cks and I'm apparently a moron.

I bet too that either of them went back to have another watch to see if what I was saying was accurate or not....Or maybe they did and saw it was and that explains their responses?

Thank you holywell for you kind words, although actually not kind as such (although I still appreciate them) but just showing general decency, as opposed to being abusive to a stranger they wouldn't know even if they passed them in the street, for no other reason than they happen to take a different view to them.....And then I get told I'm the moron.

tilted 08 Aug 14 19:38 
How come the horse apparently got the better of Fallon until the home straight when Fallon got the better of him?
If a horse is a dodge-pot there is no way he would have run on for Fallon, or run in patches.

And did it have nothing to do then with the ones in front treading water and stopping then?

Do those really count as large sums? And how exactly do you tell at which point in the race it was a no-hoper in relation to the race itself? So for example if I were to randomly pick the £88 matched at 21.00 then where is Fallon's horse at that particular stage of the race?

Plus don't people trade out/green up in running during races? If I put £50 on a horse at 40.00 when it's say in 4th and 6L down and then it moves into 3rd and is 3L down and so its price has cut to 28.00 then I can take advantage of that can't I or am I missing something here?