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An average Joe with no experience could get the results he does, hes a layers dream.
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it's not so much the training, it's the placing of horses that counts for a lot,
some trainers get plenty of winners by simply aiming their horses at the right class of races ! |
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Tregoning told Hamdan to sell the 2010 Guineas winner as he thought he was no good. That tells you everything you need to know about the man's training skills. Can you imagine Cecil, Stoute, O'Brien, De Kock or even up and coming trainers even Keith Dagleish and David O'Meara not realising they had the bloody Guineas winner by the autumn of its 2yo career?! Clueless trainer, totally reliant on his public school tie (s).
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tim Thomson jones was poor
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No,think the Godolphin crew are worse than Tregoning.It's a close call though
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He is the new Ben Hanbury - Awful.
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same as b meehan dont understand how someone hands these guys 300/400 k to buy a horse.............prescott is another guy who has lost it when was last time he had group winner or premier handicap
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Marcus does not get nowhere near the amount of horses he used to from Hamdam they now go to Varian and Haggas he was told to sell Makfi as a 2yr old.
People seem to forget he trained Nayef also Mawatheeq who are doing well at stud, When Dick Hern was being stabbed in the back by the Caernavons he stood by him and helped him when he was confined to a wheelchair and had multiple heart surgery. I would say with the horses he has he has done wonders Madbool went up 13lbs for his last win and Hesbaan not the best. |
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Jeremy Hindley (NAP)
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I never felt he got the best of the crop , seemed to get slow maturing types
I did expect his career to go upwards though and still a little surprised it didn't , seems a great chap all the same and comes across direct and honest when asked anything by media Wasn't just Caernavons habin , nothing happens without the queens say so and they all will be forever stained by what they did to the major |
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Lord Huntingdon wasn't exactly distinguished.
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None of it was Lord Huntingdon's fault he was put in a position where he had no choice to take on West Ilsley, I am just saying Marcus worked for what he had and was loyal to Major Hern as was Neil Graham when he took over Kingwood Stables everything was fine and produced plenty of winners until numbers dwindled and the Rent on Kingwood was put right up.
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He didn't do to bad with Sir Percy
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@habin67 Tregoning was not told to sell Makfi. He knew colts were culled from the operation is they were no good and recommended to Angus Gold that Makfi wouldn't make it as a good horse. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/05/01/us-horse-racing-guineas-makfi-idUSTRE6401FN20100501
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I always remember an ex high standing owner saying "withered on the vine" when asked about his horses with this trainer.
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i was at salisbury one day and there was a 2yo race where a very high-priced Tregoning colt was making his debut and was the hot favourite. I was staggered when the colt came into the paddock as he was incredibly unfit, virtually broodmare fat. Just as an aside it turned out to be a cracking race with the first two home, trained by Andrew Balding and David Elsworth, becoming solid Group One performers but I can't remember their names!
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I've just looked up the race it was when Norse Dancer just held Phoenix Reach at bay and the Tregoning horse, Albareq, ran third at 4-1 having opened more like 2-1.
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Tregoning has had the reputation of taking half the season to get his horses fit. The Makfi sale will not have helped, and was there not an incident a few seasons back concerning the distribution of money that Sheikh Hamdan tipped the stable staff?
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David Lanigan is even worse just look who he trains for and the results.
He was not helped by his relationship with Richard Hills He also does seem to have lost motivation since Sir Percy passed the post. |
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Marcus is a very good old fashioned trainer. Honest as they come with the cleanest horses in Newmarket .
The plight of Marcus says more about the game today.  Comparing him to de kock , o'meara and dagleish ???   |
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tregoning,bell,meehan and in the nh ranks charlie mann. Absolute bluffers the lot of them and how they survive is a modern day miracle.
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tregoning,bell,meehan and in the nh ranks charlie mann. Absolute bluffers the lot of them and how they survive is a modern day miracle.
They survive because it is even harder to judge whether a trainer is any good than it is to compare jockeys. Alastair Down alluded to this years ago when reviewing the Timeform annual. To paraphrase, if you or I had trained Lammtarra [RIP] to win a couple of handicaps, there is no way Timeform would have said we'd have made a complete cods of it and he should have won the Derby, King George and Arc. |
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My post is being moderated. Must have mentioned the wrong name. Take it from me, it would have been the most astute forum post of the summer.
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Hushwing - I do not disagree with the thrust of your argument, but Marcus trains in Hampshire (Whitsbury I think) not Newmarket. Passed one of his wagons on the Chi bypass yesterday morning.
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a much needed win for us this morning blackbarn, otherwise we could have been doomed!
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these freds have a habit of throwing up a winner.
perhaps sir percy blakeney at lingfield tomorrow might be the one,been running over to short a trip so far. |
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Agreed Happy Valley. Very welcome! I hate to think where we would be without the Goff.
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knot in wood 08 Jul 14 17:40
these freds have a habit of throwing up a winner. so true ... |
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My question is answered, he has just redeemed himself with a 1/2 length winner of a Brighton maiden
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always happens shady...uncanny.
i did not even see hit,cannot stand brighton. |
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Some trainers just simply seem to lose their hunger and it's those who don't need to rely on the sport for a living that have the choice of throwing in the towel. David O'Brien made a cracking start to his career and looked all set to be the future Master of Ballydoyle but by his own admission did not want a life with such pressure and now runs a vineyard in France.
Robert Armstrong packed it in, saying 'there was more to life than racing' and pursued his hobby of following motor sport even more closely. Think David Loder is still involved in purchasing bloodstock but he did comment that he wanted to see more of the world on his own terms, or something similar. |
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rumoured he was a steamer but not true I think
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That's 3 winners and 2 places from 6 runners since this thread was started !
All that blue blood must be warming up at last !  |
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Makfi was the final nail in the coffin for Marcus,a real nice guy but i dont think he will last long at Whitsbury the rent is sky high for a start and he is just not making it pay.......Still he had a good run and trained some big winners but it's curtains now.
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double today bronze angel and boom and bust.
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oi oi
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Any trainer out of form must look forward to these threads appearing.
Guaranteed to change his form! |