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Once again, everyone's favourite PROPUNTER bemoans his bad luck in this weeks RFO column, and ends with informing us all that this is "a tough old game"

Really?

Sitting in the comfort of your armchair, having the pick of the prices as early as the evening before, able to bet with any of the big bookies at seemingly unrestricted stakes, and to do all of this with the ease of a telephone call......safe in the knowledge that if you lose at least you've got the salary at the end of the month to pay the bills.......................................................
that makes this a tough old game?

No, going through tomorrows racing, seeing a standout 10/1 about something you have in at 4/1 but your're unable to do anything about it. Get up in the morning, the 10/1 is gone, but a couple still have him in at 7's, but still you're unable to do anything about it ( there's £6 available at 7.6 on BF ). The shops open at 8.30am, but you know there's no point as you'll not get any more than £25 that early on. It's 10am, he's now 11/2 best price.....that's still fair enough......drive around the shops trying for a Ton in each........referred to traders........"give him £50"......." give him £25".....you've managed to get on for £350 at an average of 5/1 ( trading at 6 on bf now with £25 available ). Back home at 1pm and settle down to the day's racing.  Horse runs at 2.30pm and is best price 9/2 now with £42 available at 5.3 on bf.

10 mins before the off, he's 4.6 on bf ( £75 available ) and 7/2 with the books............no value there then. Horse runs well but finishes a poorly ridden 3rd. Fu** it....on to tomorrow....................and go through this Sh1t all again.

No comfort of a cosy little cheque at the end of the month for penning a few sloppy articles for the industry rag. only just ahead on the year so far but surely the luck's gotta change soon Scared

No Birchy, that's what makes this " A TOUGH OLD GAME "
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Report millhouse September 22, 2014 1:32 PM BST
£300 ew at 14-1 - they really couldn't give a **** could they?
Report geoff m September 22, 2014 1:37 PM BST
You couldnt make it up. Or could he?
Report metro john September 22, 2014 1:46 PM BST
RP the beano of sporting papers,so distant from realty.
Report slickster September 22, 2014 2:26 PM BST
Guy is a clueless obnoxious waste of air. Totally abuses his position.
Report IDKW September 22, 2014 2:57 PM BST
Whilst this thread is more concerned with the bespectacled one's ability to get large sums on for a decent liability, I'm nonplussed by today's headline selection, FREEMASON.

Birchy's m/o is usually a hefty EW bet, so how has he tackled this one?
Has he somehow got on at 3/1 overnight?

Whilst Freemason has an obvious chance, that is largely dependent on how he settles early, and given the fact that he's inclined to pull like a pig in the early stages of his races, I couldn't entertain him at 6/4. Has Birchy not reviewed his previous form?
I'd rather have an EW poke at Royal Warranty myself.
Report slickster September 22, 2014 3:01 PM BST
He was on holiday so we must allow for the occasional lapse.
Report millhouse September 22, 2014 3:06 PM BST
It is totally beyond contempt, imo.

The punters they represent are being discriminated against by the bookmaking industry in the most obscene way, and yet instead of exposing it, these total frauds just agree that instead they'll have any bet they like, as long as they say absolutely nothing about the way everyone else except them is getting treated....
Report parispike September 22, 2014 3:08 PM BST
Should but don't millhouse.
Report millhouse September 22, 2014 3:10 PM BST
IKDW, if he's picking off price rics overnight, and still getting them laid even though he's got a proven record of backing shorteners, it really doesn't matter what horses he picks, he'll still be on the plane to New York next year at our expense...
Report easygold September 22, 2014 3:21 PM BST
IDKW, If u back Royal Warranty, I`m not sure about the trip??? could be too far I would have a lay-up in running just in case.
Report easygold September 22, 2014 5:30 PM BST
Fairplay, have enough today...... well done
Report homefortea September 22, 2014 8:16 PM BST
Last time I was able to get a bet on over the phone Alexander Graham Bell answered it..

He is absolute scum.
Report captain rat September 25, 2014 6:45 AM BST
I know its all been said before but...the fact he said on monday that he was able to get £300 e /way on a 14-1 shot !!!!
Report millhouse September 25, 2014 7:18 AM BST
Captain, as everyone trying to transact with them knows, the bookmakers only lay those bets to people with a proven history of losing.

So however much the Racing Post and its sister publications wish to cynically contrive to conceal the above fact, the bottom line is that Birch is either a serial losing punter, which means his tips are next to worthless, or the bookmaking industry's rules for bet acceptance that apply to every person reading the Racing Post and the RFO, don't equally apply to those who write for those two publications.

Either way, the Editor of the Racing Post and his journalists are deceiving their readers, imho...
Report rayman September 25, 2014 9:01 AM BST
Bruce has mentioned he is fed up with us wingers. The fictitious amounts that RB reports he is getting on is his way of having a good laugh at our expense.
Report Oceanfinance September 25, 2014 2:46 PM BST
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Millhouse
Phil Bull said many years ago that what drove punters on was the prospect of winning. Take that away and you lose the punter.
Racing is losing out hand over fist to football because quite simply it is much easier to pick the winner of a 3 runner 'non handicap' football event (i.e. win lose or draw) rather than try and pick the winner of a 12 runner handicap on the horses.
It is clear Paul Bittar is purely pursuing the Off Course Bookies Agenda by producing cards of wall to wall handicap racing with no quality races during the week bar the big festivals. This might produce enhanced bookies profits and hence increased levy in the short run but by losing the punters will send racing into further decline till there is precious little left to salvage.



Very good post argosy. The only thing is the BHA are getting bookies data now aren't they? Which is supposed to suggest punters prefer 10 runner races etc. Hence the campaign against small field novice chases etc.
Report DancingDenman September 25, 2014 11:04 PM BST
Birch could soon put a end to all this by proofing some of his bets, winners/ n losers.
If people were calling me a bullsh1ter i'd show them. Can't see it happening.
Report DancingDenman September 25, 2014 11:04 PM BST
Birch could soon put a end to all this by proofing some of his bets, winners/ n losers.
If people were calling me a bullsh1ter i'd show them. Can't see it happening.
Report duncan idaho September 26, 2014 1:26 PM BST
Birchy hasnt discovered the internet yet (his mum wont have it in the house), so dont expect him proofing owt on here any time soon
Report DancingDenman September 30, 2014 11:21 PM BST
See he tipped to unplaced short uns Monday, what he tip Tuesday please anyone.
Report drlovepants September 30, 2014 11:59 PM BST
Its certainly a tough old game being a geeky looking specky tw@t who supports Charlton Athletic!
Report Breedingmad October 1, 2014 12:01 AM BST
Better than supporting Derby CountyExcited
Report IDKW January 6, 2015 10:16 AM GMT
So, it may be a New Year, but we're treated to the same old tired cr*p from our favourite PROPUNTER BIRCHY.

This time, BIRCHY has a bet of £1225/700 at an early price of 7/4 the previous evening with the ever accommodating Bet365.

Now, in my limited experience with these clowns ( it's virtually impossible to keep an account unrestricted for more than a fortnight ), a "clean" unrestricted account would be allowed a MAX liability of £1K on a run of the mill weekday race on a bet placed the previous evening. Oh no, not for BIRCHY.

Proof positive then, that BIRCHY, and the rest of his cronies in the media circus, are treated to preferential treatment above and beyond that which any "normal" punter would be afforded.

Meanwhile, it's the same old story for most serious punters........knockback after knockback.......after knockback.......after knockback.........................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Report TheCollector January 6, 2015 10:24 AM GMT
Talks one load of shyte and tips one load of shyte.

The bookies must just love the Racing Post. Hire a bunch of inept tipsters like Birch to tip a set of donkeys so that the mugs all pile in. The most interesting bit about the paper is "Signposts". Delamere's analysis is laughable. I counted a 12 horse race the other day and he gave 11 a good chance.
Report TheCollector January 6, 2015 10:25 AM GMT
£700 with Bet 365? I'll crack the jokes.
Report parispike January 13, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
TTT.

A thread not to be lost.
Report DancingDenman January 13, 2015 4:40 PM GMT
WE all know it's not easy tipping winners and making 'tissues' the night before, but if our hero (Birchy) goes for the Fav it gets stuffed, goes against the Fav it p1ss's in. He's fu cking clueless.
Report FOYLESWAR January 13, 2015 4:48 PM GMT
lay the nuts off em !
Report homefortea January 13, 2015 7:24 PM GMT
My information is that ISIS is planning an attack on Canary Wharf because the Racing Post is lampooning punters....Whoops
Report Cash Is King January 14, 2015 12:04 AM GMT
RP boasting a 139% return on Pricewise Extra selections in 2014. That's Messrs Segal, Kealy & Birch.
Report xmoneyx January 14, 2015 12:08 AM GMT
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuqry9SMjQM
Report rayman January 14, 2015 9:20 AM GMT
The RP should be responsible when it comes to reporting their tipsters betting in figures that can not equate to betting money that they can afford. Given their estimated salaries Birch and Palmer surely cant afford the loses they own up to Birch in particular. Palmer would even appear to have a following. Not in the spirit of protecting the vulnerable which the high street have been pushed into addressing.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves January 14, 2015 2:19 PM GMT
To make it clear: the whole point of this thread is that only a catastrophically chronic loser with the temperament and racing knowledge of a red setter could possibly be allowed bets of the size reported by Birch at the claimed odds.
Report TheCollector January 14, 2015 3:07 PM GMT
Pricewise/Pricewise Extra/Kealy all muppets also
Report IDKW January 14, 2015 3:37 PM GMT
Not strictly true sfbw.
Whilst BIRCHY is without doubt USELESS.............he does back plenty of " shorteners" which in most cases would be enough for the bookies to say  " goodbye ".

The main point of this thread was to highlight the disgraceful treatment of punters by the Bookmakers, ie; Closing On-line accounts at the drop of a hat: Refusing / limiting bets in shops to small amounts, if you have previously shown any inkling that you may not be a complete MUG.

Yet BIRCHY, and the rest of his mute cronies in the racing media, are afforded untold privileges in return for their silence.
Without exception, the entire racing media in this country are without morals.
Report Nightfly January 14, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
Mellish does at least acknowledge that fact
Report loper January 14, 2015 4:53 PM GMT
What? That he's got no morals?
Report parispike January 14, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
Without exception, the entire racing media in this country are without morals.

Virtually without exception I'd say........
Report screaming from beneaththewaves January 14, 2015 7:40 PM GMT
IDKW: That is exactly what I said. To be allowed to bet like BIRCHY, you must not only be a regular loser but also avoid any behaviour which might suggest the slightest understanding of racing or how to bet on it.
Report homefortea January 14, 2015 8:02 PM GMT
Birchy is a clueless shoe licking lackey of the lowest order...

He would sell his rear end for a chance to get a bet on with SIDJAMES..

As they all would...
Report slickster January 14, 2015 8:09 PM GMT
It's his annoying attitude that gets me. Ooooo ooooo look at me everyone i can get 600 on at 7-2. The rest of us struggle to get 60 on. Does he not understand how that would annoy readers?
Report unitedbiscuits January 14, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
It's not new.
Going back a generation, Geoff Lester would often salt his big-race articles with, "having availed myself of 16/1 earlier in the week," about some 11/2 chance. Truth was, journalists would phone-up for a "back-price", and get it everytime.
Report Gordon63 January 14, 2015 8:16 PM GMT
the fact he can get 600 on tells you all you need to know - on the other hand it seems there is a high percentage of folks on here who can't get on with the books but why are they trying when the exchanges are (apparently?) offering better odds, even when you factor in the commission.  i don't bet to large stakes but i do have several winning online accounts and can still get on, i also have some losing ones (**** and ladbrokes always seem to get better of me when they're top price on something i like)
Report unitedbiscuits January 14, 2015 8:23 PM GMT
It's no mystery, Gordon. The people whining about bookmakers are the ones who can win from them but cannot win on here and could not win from bookmakers without the exchange showing them where and when to bet with bookmakers, in a nutshell.
Report xmoneyx January 14, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
Sid James---Joey




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RU7Nol9yU4A
Report IDKW January 14, 2015 8:31 PM GMT
unitedbiscuits, you're not even worthy of a reply............jog on to another thread
Report unitedbiscuits January 14, 2015 8:38 PM GMT
IDKW, I just read your opening thread and realised, it's not really about Birchy, it's about you. Sorry. Leave you to your self-pity.
Report homefortea January 14, 2015 9:04 PM GMT
unitedbiscuits is what I would refer to now as the "slippers and dressing gown anal brigade"...

sadgab  if you please..

There seem to be many people clueless at best that are employed to go on forums and sit in front of a computer screen and spout whatever they are paid to do...

If it was me I would find someone who charged more than the minimum wage wage and who indeed had a brain but if you are an alleged "Bookmaker" and you could get a half-wit that calls everyone an arber then the cracked one is your man.

Get a job...
Report DancingDenman January 14, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
For me one of the points of this thread is to expose Birch as  a complete Bullsh1tter. No one on his approx. wage could punt in the many hundreds he claims to, not racking up the losers this geek tips up week in week out.
Report xmoneyx January 14, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
what wage is he on?
Report homefortea January 14, 2015 9:46 PM GMT
The point is Dancer how much are these clueless freaks on..

The Estuary Boys love to talk the talk indeed the Editor and his Chief Horse Racing writer champion the benefits of mass immigration and yet all the staff seem to be the same white middle class chancers from the South East.

The Circulation has fallen off a cliff and it cannot be long before the paper is pulled...
Report ZEALOT January 14, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
To be honest I stopped buying the paper due partly to Birchy .

His claims of throwing plenty on short priced favs , some each way at around 2-1 , and as good as hiding behind the couch while watching the race is not the M.O of a pro punter .

These fellas are employed by the bookies - they must be
Report ZEALOT January 18, 2015 9:19 PM GMT
Any news on the dastardly character ?
Report DancingDenman January 18, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
I'll be up all night awaiting tomorrows tips and anecdotes.
Report IDKW February 2, 2015 8:10 AM GMT
Birchy's back, and as brash as ever.

A new bunch of shysters are mentioned in his Post column today ( I can't recall him giving them the thumbs up previously )......LADBROKES, remember them?

It's a long time since I've personally had a bet with them, due to the fact that like many on here, I've long since been limited to win a MAX of £5 on any given horse. Not Birchy. He's had no trouble availing himself of a £1000 / £250EW  placed the evening before.

Now, how does this situation fit in with the Gambling Commission's M/O to make sure that gambling is conducted in a FAIR & OPEN way?
Report northanlite February 2, 2015 12:03 PM GMT
what is your agenda here unitedbiscuits?
the OP makes a perfectly valid point about lack of liquidity on here and bookmakers closing/restricting accounts making taking a price outside you own tissue prices very difficult.
the scenario he describes is perfectly accurate.
i don't see what your point and you do like to go off on a tangent.
you seem angry with anyone who dares criticise modern bookmaking practises, i wonder why???
Report tilted February 2, 2015 1:17 PM GMT
He has had time off as one of his parents died. The other died last year.

I think today's tip Coup De Grace has a seriously good chance.
Report WFT February 2, 2015 2:04 PM GMT
Surprisingly, his Pricewise Extra tip today, Apache Glory, has just won at 8/1 !
Report homefortea February 2, 2015 9:33 PM GMT
tilted 02 Feb 15 13:17 Joined: 16 Jul 01 | Topic/replies: 1,053 | Blogger: tilted's blog
He has had time off as one of his parents died. The other died last year.

You are remarkably well informed...

If I was naive I would never have guessed that you were yet another chancer from that Paper that will soon cease to exist..
Report homefortea February 2, 2015 9:37 PM GMT
WFT..

We Fecken Take the alleged Bookmakers on..

Shame on you as none of you on that rancid publication could make a profit even though you can bet with them all..

You should hang your heads in shame  in Canary Wharf...
Report tilted February 3, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
Homefortea.

Jealous that you are not on the gravy train?
Not going to Qatar this month or Dubai for the World Cup?
Ah well somebody has to.
Maybe if you backed Birchy's tips you could afford to.
Report duncan idaho February 3, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
unitedbiscuits
14 Jan 15 20:23

It's no mystery, Gordon. The people whining about bookmakers are the ones who can win from them but cannot win on here and could not win from bookmakers without the exchange showing them where and when to bet with bookmakers, in a nutshell.



only a bookies' nark would trot out that horsesh!t
Report WFT February 3, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
We Fecken Take the alleged Bookmakers on..

Shame on you as none of you on that rancid publication could make a profit even though you can bet with them all..

You should hang your heads in shame  in Canary Wharf...


Are you insinuating that I work for the Racing Post ?

I was simply stating a fact. He did tip a winner.

As it happens, I think he is rubbish, and I have stats to prove it.

Do you ?
Report homefortea February 3, 2015 8:35 PM GMT
Tilted and I do not have to take the rise out of that username..

If I wanted to go I would reach into my wallet and watch racing in the Middle East..

I have never been on the gravy train and proud of it..

If I backed Birchys tips I would be on the breadline..

Please do not tell me that Tilted is Birchy as no-one else can be that ugly...
Report homefortea February 3, 2015 8:40 PM GMT
tilted you have been outed as Birchy...

The worst tipster in town...
Report 11kv February 3, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
Tilted you still at it then ?

A while ago you thought it was all done (cut backs).....

Enjoy the desert.
Report scaredmoney February 3, 2015 9:08 PM GMT
tilted given the best laugh of the night imo LaughLaughLaugh
Report Cash Is King February 7, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
If the bookies will allow Paul Nicholls and his mates to stake £5k each way on Calipto at 16/1 when the Betfair Hurdle ante post market was first priced up, then why shouldn't they allow our friend Richard Birch to place his big bets?
Report homefortea February 7, 2015 8:34 PM GMT
Never ceases to amaze me who gets on that alleged "Bookmaker" gravytrain....

Birchy is obviously not a big winner as he has not had plastic surgery...

Or perhaps he has and was even uglier in a previous life...Laugh
Report homefortea February 7, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
I thought that those free trainer bets were  a thing of the past..

May delve further and complain to the the relevant people..
Report Cash Is King February 8, 2015 12:23 AM GMT
Nicholls' £5k ew bet wasn't a freebie. He thought Calipto was overpriced so he and a few friends clubbed together and parted with their hard earned. I would imagine it's a fairly regular occurrence and whichever firm (or firms) lays the bet, they're onlt too happy to do so because they then find themselves in the fortunate position of being privileged insiders.
Report Deptford February 8, 2015 11:20 AM GMT
Cheltenham soon, im sure they put the price up for the privilege of reading their expert tips and analysis
Report rmccarthy16 February 8, 2015 11:40 AM GMT
HFT, You make out like you're a big player however i very much doubt that if you're on here 24/7 spouting immature ****.
Report homefortea February 8, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
16 I never claimed to be a big player (nowadays) and only post for a couple of hours.

Knock me if you like bet get your facts right please.
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 7:27 PM GMT
Homme, good evening... are you starting to mellow !  ?...
Report homefortea February 8, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
It seems like it Halcyon....

I must be going soft.
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 7:37 PM GMT
Err yeah, the Mrs did confide !  Laugh
Report rmccarthy16 February 8, 2015 7:54 PM GMT
(nowadays)LaughLaugh You have a lot of self importance it seems..
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
The egCool has landed !
Report homefortea February 8, 2015 8:12 PM GMT
Feck me Formerdays you seem to have got a bit more aggressive since you started taking drugs and downloaded that picture of Frank Sinatra 10 years after he died...

Good on you fella...

Some of those Clubs that you reckon that you frequented were a bit dodgy though..Laugh
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:14 PM GMT
Homme, you must of done too much ''glue'' as a punk !


It's actually Humphrey Bogart !   Wink
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:16 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7R7q1lSZfs    Happy
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:18 PM GMT
But, in fairness Sheff; was a great city for night life.... ah Yorkshire lasse's !  Love
Report homefortea February 8, 2015 8:24 PM GMT
Feck off you look more like Humphrey the Downing Street cat....

And if you went missing no-one would come looking..

Garry and Jimmy and the rest of the TOTPs crew would disown you..
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:26 PM GMT
^ that's not very nice is it ?...
Report halcyon days February 8, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
Btw, re: the first line... have we crossed paths old boy ?...
Report rayman February 9, 2015 8:37 AM GMT
Hes been banned by Victor? Interesting to see what happens with the others as In my experience Im sure the trading rooms all share a hit list of unprofitable clients.
Report Deptford February 9, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
Who did he tip today?
Report WFT February 9, 2015 7:39 PM GMT
Who did he tip today?

Gonow 2:40 Catterick, going ok in about 3rd when falling 3 out.
Report homefortea February 9, 2015 9:21 PM GMT
Please do not tell me that the Canary Wharf idiot backed a winner at sidjames...

That firm do not even serve breakfast in the staff canteen as they would not lay an egg...
Report halcyon days February 9, 2015 9:37 PM GMT
Homme, have you considered anger management classes ?....
Report DancingDenman February 9, 2015 9:57 PM GMT
Its becoming comical. He really is the kiss of death he'd get Frankel beat in a seller.
Report slickster February 9, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
He "burgled" 11-8 about an 8-15 shot in a HANDICAP hurdle last week. The beast was not sighted. To say the poor clown is clueless would be giving him a compliment.
Report DancingDenman February 10, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
Today, 1 NR and 2 more unplaced guesses. It what other profession would this pillock be allowed to continue. Laughable.
Report sevey February 11, 2015 9:36 AM GMT
His Nap of The Week is Running in The 1520 at Mussleburgh Wonder if He on at Big Prices
Report sevey February 11, 2015 9:37 AM GMT
Is
Report IDKW March 30, 2015 12:13 PM BST
Hooray, Birchy's back on track and well in profit, thanks to a £4,200 hit on Northern Acres @12/1, presumably, as always, placed the evening before. He doesn't name the obliging Bookmaker (s) on this occasion, but I could virtually guarantee that you or I would not have found those Bookmakers quite so accommodating.

Just about everything that is wrong with this corrupt industry can be found in Birchy's weekly witterings.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will make do with the crumbs these shysters throw us on the odd occasion ( shops ONLY of course ) Angry
Report IDKW August 2, 2016 10:43 AM BST
Over 2 years since the start of this thread.........and Birchy's still "at it"

Little point in recalling last week's bets, but suffice to say he's been able to wager decent sums with all of 365, Billies, Lads, & Sid James. Big losses on the week, but no problem getting on, and all comfortably beat SP.

Truly sickening.
Report millhouse August 2, 2016 11:30 AM BST
If you can cherry pick early price rics the night before and continue to get them laid, even when they subsequently shorten dramatically, then it's impossible to lose, even if you chose the horses at random.

Birchy is unique among 'successful punters' in having this afforded to him, it would seem.

He recently went on a luxury holiday to Florida, according to his column. This was paid for by us, the discriminated against and disenfranchised victims of his decision to willfully fail to do his job as a journalist, and enjoy enormous lucrative 'advantages' at the expense of his own readers, imo...
Report IDKW August 2, 2016 4:08 PM BST
Oh dear, we're gonna have to read how Birchy has had it right off the evening before with Project Bluebook.

Keeping an eye on the markets yesterday evening, I noticed this one opened 8/1 with 365.....blink of an eye and that was down to 5's. I think Billies opened up 5's, and Baldy the same last night. Needless to say, us unfortunates would be unable to get a penny on at these prices. 4/1 was freely available early this morning, which I thought more than fair,  but by the time I got near a Bookies the best available was 2/1.

So, a no bet @ 2's for me, but in Birchy's parallel universe, everything's rosy once again.

I sound bitter and jealous.............you bet I amAngry
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