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Look on the downward to me in every respect, perhaps RUK could have the lot within 3 years (merger or otherwise)?
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As long as they have enough viewers for it to be worth advertisers using the channel would be my guess.
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Will chappers have his top hat and tails on next week I wonder
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Doncaster looking very isolated now
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probably duffy, he's probably at ascot with big mac
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Perhaps the question should be asked of RUK - they only have @50000 viewers so is their model sustainable long term - whilst viewers pay for the privilege of watching, they also rely on advertisers - they are also partially financed by the major flat courses but if they thought they could get more through the turnstiles by dropping the TV coverage perhaps they might consider doing so
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No chance in my opinion. They still have a massive part of the fixture list with the AW tracks owned by ARc...who also own them.
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The likes of Fred Done and ARC are extremely influential and they're in the ATR/SIS camp where they can control everything (unfortunately).
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Not for long I hope. Any self respecting racecourse should cross over
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Given that public interest in horse racing is in a constant decline, I find it hard to believe that the sport can support two dedicated racing channels in the long term. Which will survive? Who knows?
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here here,they deserve to go under treat viewers with contempt
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The only thing wrong with ATR is that interminable and inexcusable delay. Irish racing brilliant and they have returned millions to the tracks.
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Apart from the excessive delays to the "live" coverage, the poor picture quality, the constant repetition of annoying adverts (not their fault, tbf), terrible decisions about which races to give preference to in the event of clash and a handful of really awful presenters they are fine.
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ATR will struggle, look at the advertisers paying for airtime, look how many have not renewed from one or two years back, no one is watching the ads, they flick over or mute and advertisers are catching on
c4s decline has propped up Saturday figures short term but RUK have all of the cream |
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Probably correct re the advertisers. Anyone who has both Racing Channels will not sit and watch the adverts and will channel hop between races.
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Not had the sound on for nearly 12 months.
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All their other faults, which are many as BB points out, could be forgiven if they would only reduce the ludicrous delay to RUK's level.
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I catch up on my ever growing backlog of all creatures great and small episodes in between races.
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time delay has long been an issue, but probably 90% using live vid on daq and bf would use atr if they were even comparable speed wise to free up their pc screens
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Perhaps if they realise that there may be some hope of the delay being reduce, elise.
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perhaps, also losing ascot amongst others will show them 12 months from now a different set of figures, with the recent course closures and the loss of tracks to ruk things will only get bleaker
i can see ruk making a play for ireland now they have the scottish monopoly |
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RUK declined the Irish last year didn't they?
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RUK would need a second channel to take on all the Irish racing. They don't want loads of clashes. Perhaps they will have a crack at trying to get Punchestown, Leopardstown and the Curragh on board though.
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well pulled out the bidding I mean
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I thought that the general consensus from a year or two back regarding the delay was because it was to keep the SIS boys happy, well now live video has put that to bed, what's the reason now?
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Don't see how there would be loads of clashes myself.
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There would be if they had ALL the Irish racing. ATR has plenty of clashes now.
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they will go again tom, i can't see a more obvious next target and re the 2nd channel they did it before where they split coverage in a similar way to atrs red button so ruk could do it again
on the red button, that was what , 2 secs faster than the main atr channel before it got binned? |
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What makes you think RUK want loads more courses clogging up their schedule? Would think the obvious target would be Doncaster. They are probably happy not to show All The Rubbish.
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partly i suspect the long term model has evolved to be stand alone, partly i secretly hope atr are going to shoot themselves in the foot and drop the lot
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hope your right elise,hate ATR with a passion
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According to todays RP,ATR just had their best ever year. How fecking saddening is that
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i think if atr could get their speed in line with ruk and remain fta there's a place for them in the market, competition etc, not only that but no new viewer will leap straight to ruk subscription until they've taken to the sport, so ruk if they do increase track coverage need to reduce subscription costs to allow growth
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that's why i asked, if you look behind the figures it's not as good as it seems trd
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Another typically ill conceived ATR thread with the usual suspects spouting the same old arguments.
RUK is the height of arrogance and unfortunately it appears that attitude rubs off on some of its subscribers. Amazing that some people still don't seem to grasp that having the Irish racing throughout the season is actually the jewel in the crown. Even on the Flat ATR can exclusively show 6 Classics to RUK's 4. As for National Hunt racing even though they actually have Cheltenham the situation is summed up by their preview which with no Irish racing to show is bordering on the pitiful. They have tried to fill the void by having a contrived five minute chat with Ruby Walsh. ATR has always had a programme structure. RUK still offers little more than live racing and endless repeats. It continues to get away with the bare minimum. Even for Festivals like Aintree the coverage doesn't kick off until the afternoon and embarrassingly ATR is the source of all earlier information. The RUK website has never been anything but awful. ATR couldn't have given Ascot more exposure. It is a shame the decision makers seemingly thought that counted for nothing. |
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Think most people glad Irish racing doesnt clog up RUK
And you're welcome to the hourly news bulletins, pointless interviews, ad breaks every 2 mins and picture quality from the 60s That said, RUK still make some bizarre decisions...fair play for trying to introduce some features but they then go and stick them on all Sunday morning when they've often got 4 or 5 quality meetings to replay...then come Mon we get Market Raspberry or Ayr on loop  |
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bilbobaggins
12 Jun 14 19:51 ATR's...Irish racing brilliant and they have returned millions to the tracks How the fook do you come up with that figure? |
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elise
12 Jun 14 20:20 i think if atr could get their speed in line with ruk..there's a place for them in the market A fine example of the Betfair forum bubble...the speed matters to the few people that bet IR. As part of ATR's business plan, that 'few' people barely register imo |
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bilbo, if you were referring to euro rather than people, i withdraw my comment!
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disagree duncan, the package that attracts viewers needs to encompass all and for a station designed round an advertising model getting viewers to turn on and stay turned on means meeting their needs
a major factor in c4s viewing loss is the turn off of analogue last year, despite what people want to say about presenters, format etc a large slice of switch off is actually down to people moving to faster streams |