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07 Jun 14
20:52
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The Rich cant get any riche can they
Imagine the conversation
" should we buy a little villa in Tuscany"
'ha ha ha oh no we already have several there.
What about Rio?? then we can wtch the football final etc etc etc
FFS FFS FFS
Imagine the conversation
" should we buy a little villa in Tuscany"
'ha ha ha oh no we already have several there.
What about Rio?? then we can wtch the football final etc etc etc
FFS FFS FFS
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Would imagine godolphin would love to know their secret
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brings U down to earth.............
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out of interest did they buy Australia
and for how much?If they did I wonder if the Godolphin buyers were there. |
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Definately went through the sales ring
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Sure it was around £500k
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they showed the auction earlier before the race, 525k guineas
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Cheers Elise, I suppose both sides have purchased their fair share of dross but whoever buys godolphins yearlings arent in the same league as Coolmore imo
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coolmore are everything godolphin aren't. man city playing Fleetwood in my eyes. too many wise heads compared to sheik mohammed and his hangers on
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do Godolphin have a policy not to buy horses
directly linked to the Coolmore breeding operation? |
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thought they had stopped that nonsense now
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If they have they maybe want a rethink
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I might be wrong but I thought that was
the case,might have read it somewhere. Someone like Onlooker may know. |
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You can understand why they might but with the stallions Coolmore have at the moment it cant be the correct policy
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ive never seen them with a galileo or a montjeu thats for sure
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with their policy of buy good 2yrolds,
alway wondered why they did'nt try to buy Kingston Hill.Honestly never knew he was owned by Smith's son. |
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people who have made their own way in the world are always going to be more savy than the oil rich sheiks imho godolphin have lost the plot in so many ways in recent seasons
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They have tried everything, the Loder experiment worked for a while, im sure many of the owners they have purchased are eternally grateful they did
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Have purchased off
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More money than sense JW
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its a shame dealer as I feel as punters we all lose
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I suppose you could argue where would we be without them
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Remember Sangster was the first to take them on
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Used to bid up and then opt out leaving them to pay way over the odds for yearlings
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well they did purchase new approach who is by Galileo
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think they bought last seasons Horris Hill
winner,name I can't recall,paid a good few quid,sure it died of colic not long after. |
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agree with that and just hope they can come back. sheik mo isn't the all seeing master he thinks he is inmho and needs a radical rethink
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Correct - CheltenhamRoar - re: New Approach.
the dealer posted ... the dealer 07 Jun 14 21:05 Would imagine godolphin would love to know their secret ---------- There is - NO 'Secret' Coolmore have Galileo - Godolphin do, or rather, had NOT. So - they tried to establish their own 'Galileo' - through the back door, as it were, by 'getting into bed' with Bolger - via New Approach and TEOFILIO - who are both sired by GALILEO. penzance is also correct in saying that - Godolphin embargoed buying any offspring of Coolmore Stallions - But, eventually relented somewhat I, also, seem to remember, as penzance does - but without some research I cannot post names 'off the top of my head'. |
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It is a Hobby for the Sheik.
It is a business for Coolmore. |
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I had the good fortune to come across graham bradley's book 'the wayward lad' last year
Old Brad may be a bit of a rogue, to put it mildly, but he knows blood stock. One bit in the book told of how he went down to Manton in the 80s to visit his old governor michael dickinson Dickinson of course was an all conquering national hunt trainer who had been trusted by robert sangster to train future derby winners Bradley claims to have noticed straight away the raw boned nature of Dickinsons 2yos and compared them unfavourably to those that the arabs were racing Dickinson didnt manage to work the oracle and sheikh mo and the boys went on to dominate the 80s and the 90s. Their breeding was based on speed rather than stamina. They cleaned up. The point being Swings and roundabouts Lets not forget Cape cross sired Sea The Stars and CX is a darley sire is he not? |
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Onlooker..... for me the Coolmore boys leave Godolphin standing with regards to purchases from the sales ring, todays winner being an example
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Yes, dealer - very true - and especially with today's winner, too.
What I ought to have added was that they can send a lot of their OWN MARES to Galileo, and they can then keep the offspring, at least those that they favour, as opposed to sending them through the Sales Ring. |
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the thread has quickly turned into coolmore v godolphin ...yawn ,but the title is same old owners winning derby again .
of course coolmore are fixated with the Derby ,but never mind godolphin what about all the Uk based owners breeders and trainers leaving the Arabs aside ,absolutely nowhere on the map. How any horses did coolmore breed or buy to get this one ? or does that not matter ? people are too quick to offer up godolphin but they are not obsessional about the race and never really have been ,as a breeding operation its still at least 100 yrs too early to judge .What about all the others ? including the others in IRE  |
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Godolphin have structured their approach in the mould of coolmore in the last 7 or 8 years.
They are semi commercial supporting their stallions and in Dubawi , Shamardal and New approach they have serious contenders to coolmores big guns. Sheikh refuses to buy coolmore sired stock so he wouldnt have even looked at Australia What you have to remember though is look how many horses Sheikh mo has year on year...hundreds and hundreds plenty bred for the Derby...yet how many line up each year with a serious chance??? very very few. Coolmore however operate on a smaller scale, they base the entire operation around the Derby and they get their due rewards (recently) they went years themselves without wining it remember. If the the sheikh would solely outline a way to bread New approach with the right mares he could get plenty of derby types. Fact remains Sheikh is more interested in Dubai and pulls his string apart come the end of each year. Itll change. Godolphin will have their time in the Derby very soon |
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He did give one to his wife in Authorised, would be good for the game imo if they did win one
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don't think she owned that,thoought 2
blokes owned it? |
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I thought Sheikh Mo spat the dummy when Coolmore didn't embrace his Dubai World Cup meeting and didn't always send the best ones over for it.
The Derby is very important to Sheikh Mo/Godolphin and he was trying to win it for years with a horse that genuinely was his own, even to the extent that he almost for want of a better expression tried to hijack the wins of Lammtarra and New Approach. Eventually due to the poor results of Darley's breeding operation once transferred onto the course where they really should have has more success with the stallions and broodmares they have had, they had to bite the bullet and try to get in with the Coolmore bloodlines via horses like Authorized, New Approach and several other Bolger owned horses as already mentioned. I don't really see why Coolmore should be crabbed for doing the job better than others and they also have a tie in with some of Khalid Abdullah's broodmares too, producing none other than Frankel between them from a Coolmore sire and a Juddmonte dam. On a side issue, when Michael Dickinson was at Manton for Robert Sangster, the vast majority of the horses were 2YOs and was bound to take time to show anything but Sangster was too impatient. |
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My apologies Penzance, one too many ciders and a 52 year old brain
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Lammtarra was godolphins ,he had 1-2 with tamuri running second in his own silks .
new approach ran in his wifes colours as well |
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I think godolphin got too caught up in Monsun... they thought that was gonna be their way into the derby.
Hasnt worked out...they bought Shirocco and Manduro and threw everything at them and it simply just didnt work. I still say its the way they base their racing calendar and with the second yard opened a couple of years now they are gonna seriously have to keep their Derby contenders at home to slog out the british winter. You cant give Sheikh mo New approach Derby. Itll change. But lets reiterate ...coolmore have done an amazing job...simply amazing...such talented breeders and amazing buyers. Hats off |