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Hughsey looked all over the winner at the distance.....
But what happens when he loses his claim and can't offer a trainer anything that a more experienced jockey can't or the next batch of claimers can? He clearly has talent but so have 101 top notch apprentices in the past who didn't go on due to the reasons above and/or didn't get the right job once their claim had gone.
You only have to look within his own stable to see how Buick and Probert's careers have gone different ways since both shared the Apprentice Jockey title and Thomas Brown is in the Balding yard too and is every bit as good if not better than Oisin Murphy, so there will be competition from all three of them for the Balding rides, as well as certain owners preferring their own jockeys from the yard's runners too.
You only have to look within his own stable to see how Buick and Probert's careers have gone different ways since both shared the Apprentice Jockey title and Thomas Brown is in the Balding yard too and is every bit as good if not better than Oisin Murphy, so there will be competition from all three of them for the Balding rides, as well as certain owners preferring their own jockeys from the yard's runners too.
Probert is still just as good as Buick though. but you're right about Oisin, he could struggle once his claim as gone, I honestly feel a lot of trainers only use him in the biggish races because of the claim, once that's gone like you say will they be eager to still book him?... I don't think they will, I think they'll go and get another top apprentice.
think he will make it , his claim is like gold dust at the min imo
ima_mazed66 14 May 14 19:21
But what happens when he loses his claim and can't offer a trainer anything that a more experienced jockey can't
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HorseBurger1989 14 May 14 19:29
............. but you're right about Oisin, he could struggle once his claim as gone,
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He isn't Winning - merely because of his claim.
He has Talent - But, more importantly .... Horses 'run for him'.
But what happens when he loses his claim and can't offer a trainer anything that a more experienced jockey can't
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HorseBurger1989 14 May 14 19:29
............. but you're right about Oisin, he could struggle once his claim as gone,
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He isn't Winning - merely because of his claim.
He has Talent - But, more importantly .... Horses 'run for him'.
Ima...........I told you already, using other apprentice`s as a guide to this future Top Jock is lazy. And for you to use Thomas Brown as an opinion is terrible..............
Oisin Murphy..... has move a long way ahead Thomas Brown in the pecking order......... a long way ahead.......... he is one of the best apprentice I have seen in the last 10 years as I have said before.
His judgement of pace is beautiful to watch......... that trip to Oz has certainly paid off in spades...........
Your opinion is tame........ and this kid is doing it in front of your eyes......... and you still think 3lb will change things. Sure he is winning races off level weights. My god give me strength.
Oisin Murphy..... has move a long way ahead Thomas Brown in the pecking order......... a long way ahead.......... he is one of the best apprentice I have seen in the last 10 years as I have said before.
His judgement of pace is beautiful to watch......... that trip to Oz has certainly paid off in spades...........
Your opinion is tame........ and this kid is doing it in front of your eyes......... and you still think 3lb will change things. Sure he is winning races off level weights. My god give me strength.
he got a brain and his timing impeccable to say the least ! been keeping an eye out for this kid for some time , like i said his claim worth its weight in gold as he is better than some off the seasoned jocks , always one or two outstanding lads comming through the ranks !
I agree HorseBurger1989 that Probert is as good as Buick but that was the point I was making about if they do or don't get the right job later on. Balding doesn't seem to have as many decent horses as Gosden though.
No of course onlooker, he clearly isn't riding winners just because of his 3lb claim but it's the value of that 3lb claim that has trainers putting him on their horses, as opposed to a fully fledged and more experienced jockey because what Murphy loses out on there, is offset by the advantage of the 3lb claim. My point though is how will he get on once the 3lb claim is gone and so he doesn't offer a trainer the experience of a fully fledged jockey nor the weight concession of the next batch of apprentices? Will he struggle for rides and winners then?
No easygold, using past crack apprentices as a guide to how Murphy MIGHT (and that's all I said might) struggle for rides and winners is common sense and history repeats itself. Had we been having this same talk about say Saleem Golan and I used past apprentices who didn't kick on once they lost their claim, some people would have been saying about him that you can't use past apprentices situations blah blah blah. One of the best apprentices I've ever seen and who many though would be a future Champion Jockey is Daryll Holland, yet his career reached nowhere near the heights of say Dettori because he didn't get the right job or if he had been #1 jockey to Barry Hills after riding out his claim instead of Michael then I'm sure he would have been far more successful than he ended up being.
Just for the record, Thomas Brown rode more winners than Oisin Murphy last season but I'm a little bit embarrassed here for you easygold if you are saying Murphy had ridden winners off level weight considering if his horse was meant to carry 9-3 but his 3lb claim brings it down to 9 stone like the rest of the field, then that really isn't level weight is it, as the 3lb will have made the difference if say it was a photo finish? If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between.....And then you say my opinion is "tame" eh?
No of course onlooker, he clearly isn't riding winners just because of his 3lb claim but it's the value of that 3lb claim that has trainers putting him on their horses, as opposed to a fully fledged and more experienced jockey because what Murphy loses out on there, is offset by the advantage of the 3lb claim. My point though is how will he get on once the 3lb claim is gone and so he doesn't offer a trainer the experience of a fully fledged jockey nor the weight concession of the next batch of apprentices? Will he struggle for rides and winners then?
No easygold, using past crack apprentices as a guide to how Murphy MIGHT (and that's all I said might) struggle for rides and winners is common sense and history repeats itself. Had we been having this same talk about say Saleem Golan and I used past apprentices who didn't kick on once they lost their claim, some people would have been saying about him that you can't use past apprentices situations blah blah blah. One of the best apprentices I've ever seen and who many though would be a future Champion Jockey is Daryll Holland, yet his career reached nowhere near the heights of say Dettori because he didn't get the right job or if he had been #1 jockey to Barry Hills after riding out his claim instead of Michael then I'm sure he would have been far more successful than he ended up being.
Just for the record, Thomas Brown rode more winners than Oisin Murphy last season but I'm a little bit embarrassed here for you easygold if you are saying Murphy had ridden winners off level weight considering if his horse was meant to carry 9-3 but his 3lb claim brings it down to 9 stone like the rest of the field, then that really isn't level weight is it, as the 3lb will have made the difference if say it was a photo finish? If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between.....And then you say my opinion is "tame" eh?
ima_mazed66
This kid will NOT 'struggle' for rides - "when he loses his claim."
- and he is better than MANY "experienced fully fledged jockey," - NOW, and by far, in many instances.
He will walk into a top job.
He 'rode them to sleep' - when he spent a few weeks in Australia, earlier this year, aswell ....
- and that takes some doing against THEIR [b]experienced full jockeys[b] - on their turning, and often idiosyncratic, tight tracks - of which only Flemington has a straight Sprint track, even.
This kid will NOT 'struggle' for rides - "when he loses his claim."
- and he is better than MANY "experienced fully fledged jockey," - NOW, and by far, in many instances.
He will walk into a top job.
He 'rode them to sleep' - when he spent a few weeks in Australia, earlier this year, aswell ....
- and that takes some doing against THEIR [b]experienced full jockeys[b] - on their turning, and often idiosyncratic, tight tracks - of which only Flemington has a straight Sprint track, even.
It`s not all about winners............ sure if that was the case last season he would have lost his claim before now. But know he races against the big boys a lot more than any other apprentice will and that will certainly help his career.
Look if you think T.Brown is as good or better than Murphy so be it......... but in my opinion I have no doubt that Murphy will have a better career that is for sure.
Look if you think T.Brown is as good or better than Murphy so be it......... but in my opinion I have no doubt that Murphy will have a better career that is for sure.
im looking at young jockeys/jockeys for 40 yr..to my eye hes as good as ive seen since mj kinane/jp murtagh were apprentices.he will walk into a top job.of that there is no doubt.horses run for him.hes supremely well balanced.hes a great judge of pace.hes brave.he has no weight problems. the future for oisin is bright barring injury.
The Aussies absolutely loved the guy, of course back here all we get is the indifference, the "you'll never see him once his claims gone" brigade .. most of whom have probably done their nuts laying one of his
I have never once laid one of his though hulk and still think he might struggle once the claim as gone. Ima is right when he gives Probert as an example, he is a good jockey but struggles for the better rides. Murphy is good but he's not much better than a Probert or a Buick and neither of those have set the world alight since losing the claim.
easygold
Listed races, Ima now do you follow.
What, you mean like do I follow when I said "If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between" and funny enough if Oisin Murphy has ridden any Listed winners off levels against fully fledged jockeys, then they will have been er "few and far between" so do you follow now easygold, seeing as I'm having to repeat what I had already said?
Nobody is saying he won't ride any winners even after he loses his claim and has to ride off levels full time against more experienced jockeys or against claimers who can offer trainers a weight concession that he no longer can, so if he has ridden any winners off levels now then fine but he would rarely be put up on mounts in races where he can't claim, so I'd be very surprised if those Listed race winners he has had amounts to more than one or two.
And yes I do think Thomas Brown is every bit as good as Oisin Murphy (who I actually rate) as is Jason Hart and Robert Tart and the very same thing applies to them too once they lose their claims.
I've seen plenty of top notch apprentices over the years whose careers for various reasons didn't end up panning out as well as might have been expected, jockeys like Jimmy Bleasdale, Billy Newnes, Gary Carter, Tyrone Williams, Simon Whitworth, Daryll Holland, Jason Weaver, Gary Bardwell, Stephen Davies, Royston French, Lee Newman and Saleem Golam all won the Champion Apprentice title but how many of them can you say really kicked on and got a top job and made the top 10 or so jockeys riding and rode plenty of Gr1 and classic winners?
Saleem Golam and David Probert both shared the title with Haykey Turner and William Buick respectively but because Turner and Buick got supported by certain trainers their careers kicked on, yet now Hyaley's has taken a knock since ending her some of her associations and even past Champion Apprentices like Chris Catlin and Robert Winston haven't found things plain sailing either.
Look how long it took Paul Hanagan to really hit the big time considering he won the Apprentice Title as far back as 2002.
Listed races, Ima now do you follow.
What, you mean like do I follow when I said "If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between" and funny enough if Oisin Murphy has ridden any Listed winners off levels against fully fledged jockeys, then they will have been er "few and far between" so do you follow now easygold, seeing as I'm having to repeat what I had already said?
Nobody is saying he won't ride any winners even after he loses his claim and has to ride off levels full time against more experienced jockeys or against claimers who can offer trainers a weight concession that he no longer can, so if he has ridden any winners off levels now then fine but he would rarely be put up on mounts in races where he can't claim, so I'd be very surprised if those Listed race winners he has had amounts to more than one or two.
And yes I do think Thomas Brown is every bit as good as Oisin Murphy (who I actually rate) as is Jason Hart and Robert Tart and the very same thing applies to them too once they lose their claims.
I've seen plenty of top notch apprentices over the years whose careers for various reasons didn't end up panning out as well as might have been expected, jockeys like Jimmy Bleasdale, Billy Newnes, Gary Carter, Tyrone Williams, Simon Whitworth, Daryll Holland, Jason Weaver, Gary Bardwell, Stephen Davies, Royston French, Lee Newman and Saleem Golam all won the Champion Apprentice title but how many of them can you say really kicked on and got a top job and made the top 10 or so jockeys riding and rode plenty of Gr1 and classic winners?
Saleem Golam and David Probert both shared the title with Haykey Turner and William Buick respectively but because Turner and Buick got supported by certain trainers their careers kicked on, yet now Hyaley's has taken a knock since ending her some of her associations and even past Champion Apprentices like Chris Catlin and Robert Winston haven't found things plain sailing either.
Look how long it took Paul Hanagan to really hit the big time considering he won the Apprentice Title as far back as 2002.
Surely when he got the ''retainer'' at Richard Faheys ?....
Took the decision to block ima mazed ages ago......and I don't regret it either.....by the replies you can guess roughly what he is saying......and as usual its a whole load of nonsense.....
Basically what the gobber is here for is an argument......he is stuck in every single fallon thread......and if ye were saying Oisin Murphy was no good.....he'd be saying he was.....take my advice.....don't go there.....
Basically what the gobber is here for is an argument......he is stuck in every single fallon thread......and if ye were saying Oisin Murphy was no good.....he'd be saying he was.....take my advice.....don't go there.....
It will take time ofr perhaps a lucky break for Murphy to get into the top 5 but I believe that he will. Some of his recent efforts have been barely believable-horses travelling worse than several opponents at the furlong pole but just seem to find something else in the last 100 yards. Sweet Martoni last night was yet another example.
Hope Oisin gets a top job. He deserves to.
But thats not guaranteed. Why, for example did Nicholls stick with Daryl Jacob for so long? Nicholls must have rated him, so its all about personal opinion.
I like David Probert but he is not in Buicks class imo.
But thats not guaranteed. Why, for example did Nicholls stick with Daryl Jacob for so long? Nicholls must have rated him, so its all about personal opinion.
I like David Probert but he is not in Buicks class imo.
Brown, Hart, Tart Vs Murphy............... easy to answer who will make it at the top level
He is riding very well at the moment and horses do seem to run for him.
He is in the good books and attracting top comments from most in the know.
Lets see what happens when he dare ride one bad race and the vultures on here who lose there £2 get there claws in.
He is in the good books and attracting top comments from most in the know.
Lets see what happens when he dare ride one bad race and the vultures on here who lose there £2 get there claws in.
Na, all top jockeys make errors......... the key is to make less than the rest......... the likes of Moore, Callan, Levey, O.Murphy De Sousa, Hayes fits that comment
You only have to look within his own stable to see how Buick and Probert's careers have gone different ways since both shared the Apprentice Jockey title and Thomas Brown is in the Balding yard too and is every bit as good if not better than Oisin Murphy, so there will be competition from all three of them for the Balding rides, as well as certain owners preferring their own jockeys from the yard's runners too.
I think you'll find there won't be much competition from Thomas Brown. A quick glance at his recent mounts may give you a clue as to why.
Oh and Brown rode more winners than Murphy last season because the latter hadn't even had his first ride in public by this time last year.
I think you'll find there won't be much competition from Thomas Brown. A quick glance at his recent mounts may give you a clue as to why.
Oh and Brown rode more winners than Murphy last season because the latter hadn't even had his first ride in public by this time last year.
Rode out his claim the other day and was looking a shoo in for the apprentices title a while back but I can even see him losing that now too once the better rides dry up and the 5lb and 3lb claimers take the ones he might have been on before.
This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that.
This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that.
murphy was incredible value for 7 and 5, the numbers have tailed off quite a bit since he's been down to 3 and now off levels
If you need to post what you have above easygold and can't work out what I am saying them maybe you don't quite know as much about the sport as you think.
Cam Hardie has just ridden another nice winner that would have maybe seen Oisin Murphy as the claiming name at the top of the list if he was still claiming. He's ridden his claim out to quickly and can now not offer any weight concession the other apprentices can, nor can he offer the experience of the other fully fledged jockeys he is now expected to compete with for rides and so he's at a very difficult stage of his career right now.
If an owner wanted a jockey for a Gr1 and Ryan Moore and Oisin Murphy were both available then how do you reckon they are going to go for? Clive Brittain has recently been looking for a jockey for Rizeena in the Falmouth at Newmarket once realising her previous jockeys Ryan Moore, Richard Hughes and James Doyle weren't available for various reasons such as being claimed for other rivals in the race or riding elsewhere. Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead so they have settled for Olivier Peslier and I very much doubt Oisin Murphy was even remotely considered for the mount and understandably so at this early part of his career. Oh and in case you say he had a Derby mount, yes he did but the horse's price reflected that too.
Thank you wondersobright and nice to see you can still get some common sense and understanding on here every now and again.
Cam Hardie has just ridden another nice winner that would have maybe seen Oisin Murphy as the claiming name at the top of the list if he was still claiming. He's ridden his claim out to quickly and can now not offer any weight concession the other apprentices can, nor can he offer the experience of the other fully fledged jockeys he is now expected to compete with for rides and so he's at a very difficult stage of his career right now.
If an owner wanted a jockey for a Gr1 and Ryan Moore and Oisin Murphy were both available then how do you reckon they are going to go for? Clive Brittain has recently been looking for a jockey for Rizeena in the Falmouth at Newmarket once realising her previous jockeys Ryan Moore, Richard Hughes and James Doyle weren't available for various reasons such as being claimed for other rivals in the race or riding elsewhere. Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead so they have settled for Olivier Peslier and I very much doubt Oisin Murphy was even remotely considered for the mount and understandably so at this early part of his career. Oh and in case you say he had a Derby mount, yes he did but the horse's price reflected that too.
Thank you wondersobright and nice to see you can still get some common sense and understanding on here every now and again.
Go away for a bit and return to find ima still using the same old baffling logic.
If Ryan Moore and just about anyone was available for a ride in a Group 1 who is the owner most likely to go for? Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead
If Ryan Moore and just about anyone was available for a ride in a Group 1 who is the owner most likely to go for? Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead
That paragraph u wrote earlier, to me or I maybe mistaken read NEGATIVE ............ ffs make ur mind-up
Seriously, ur examples are so tame.............. If Moore wasn`t available they wudn`t pick O.Murphy??????? fookin hell No one is saying that......... U are the most frustrating person involved in racing I have ever come across, worst than Hughes not trying for a place
Are you familiar with the saying don't shoot the messenger Marcee?
By James Burn 10:23AM 9 JUL 2014
CORONATION STAKES winner Rizeena will be ridden by Olivier Peslier in Friday's Qipco Falmouth Stakes at Newmarket.
Ryan Moore was aboard the Clive Brittain-trained filly at last month's royal meeting, but partners Integral for Sir Michael Stoute.
Richard Hughes, who rode Rizeena to finish seventh in the 1,000 Guineas, is required to ride the Richard Hannon-trained Sky Lantern, second in the Falmouth 12 months ago.
James Doyle won the Group 1 Moyglare Stud Stakes on the daugher of Iffraaj last year, but is in action for his boss Khalid Abdullah at York, while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot.
“Olivier Peslier is as good a jockey as there is, I rate him very highly,” Brittain said.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1171717&category=0
The paragraph I wrote read realistic easygold and there's nothing to make my mind up about, it's you who has trouble reading words on a screen and processing them properly, as all along as I'm sure those who can read and can process information and retain it will confirm, I've merely said despite liking him and acknowledging he has talent, once Oisin Murphy loses his claim he will be at a disadvantage as other claimers can offer trainers something he can't (the weght concession) and other fully fledged jockeys can also offer trainers something he can't (big race experience) but you obviously can't see the wood for the trees going by you post above at 19:30.
You say my examples are lame because presumably you think it's obvious Moore (or others like those listed above) will get the nod over Murphy due to their experience and therefore according to you it's "lame" and "no one is saying" Murphy will get the nod over them but you somehow can't actually see that that was what I was saying all along ffs.
Look at the part I've bolded above and read it back to yourself a few times.....You're actually agreeing with me despite being unaware of it!!!!
By James Burn 10:23AM 9 JUL 2014
CORONATION STAKES winner Rizeena will be ridden by Olivier Peslier in Friday's Qipco Falmouth Stakes at Newmarket.
Ryan Moore was aboard the Clive Brittain-trained filly at last month's royal meeting, but partners Integral for Sir Michael Stoute.
Richard Hughes, who rode Rizeena to finish seventh in the 1,000 Guineas, is required to ride the Richard Hannon-trained Sky Lantern, second in the Falmouth 12 months ago.
James Doyle won the Group 1 Moyglare Stud Stakes on the daugher of Iffraaj last year, but is in action for his boss Khalid Abdullah at York, while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot.
“Olivier Peslier is as good a jockey as there is, I rate him very highly,” Brittain said.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=1171717&category=0
The paragraph I wrote read realistic easygold and there's nothing to make my mind up about, it's you who has trouble reading words on a screen and processing them properly, as all along as I'm sure those who can read and can process information and retain it will confirm, I've merely said despite liking him and acknowledging he has talent, once Oisin Murphy loses his claim he will be at a disadvantage as other claimers can offer trainers something he can't (the weght concession) and other fully fledged jockeys can also offer trainers something he can't (big race experience) but you obviously can't see the wood for the trees going by you post above at 19:30.
You say my examples are lame because presumably you think it's obvious Moore (or others like those listed above) will get the nod over Murphy due to their experience and therefore according to you it's "lame" and "no one is saying" Murphy will get the nod over them but you somehow can't actually see that that was what I was saying all along ffs.
Look at the part I've bolded above and read it back to yourself a few times.....You're actually agreeing with me despite being unaware of it!!!!
Sick of because what I said all along is coming home to roost or sick of because you read the bold part above and the penny finally dropped?
ima_mazed66,
good morning. Jeez, if you'd gone into politics even less people would vote !
good morning. Jeez, if you'd gone into politics even less people would vote !
I think most of us get when you've point scored.... STOP rehashing the same thing PLEASE !
Are you familiar with making up your own mind ima and not rigidly believing something written in the press? You told us they've "settled" for Peslier suggesting you believe Fallon really has passed up the opportunity on Rizeena to go to Ascot instead. In reality it seems that he came under slightly more consideration than Oisin Murphy would have done.
As for "what you've been saying all along coming home to roost" you've been telling us Murphy would struggle to compete for rides with Thomas Brown let alone those jockeys you've mentioned. Also, taking your short term outlook, a quick look at his booked rides over the next few days shows he's down for 20 rides for 10 different trainers. They all seem to feel he's offering them something even without the claim.
I've told you this before but rather than frantically rushing to try and tell everyone you're right as soon as you possibly can, take a long term view. You'll know if "what you've been saying all along has come home to roost" in months and years to come and NOT 4 days after he's lost his claim.
As for "what you've been saying all along coming home to roost" you've been telling us Murphy would struggle to compete for rides with Thomas Brown let alone those jockeys you've mentioned. Also, taking your short term outlook, a quick look at his booked rides over the next few days shows he's down for 20 rides for 10 different trainers. They all seem to feel he's offering them something even without the claim.
I've told you this before but rather than frantically rushing to try and tell everyone you're right as soon as you possibly can, take a long term view. You'll know if "what you've been saying all along has come home to roost" in months and years to come and NOT 4 days after he's lost his claim.
Ima is very close to giving you all a damn good ironing!.......he happen's to be right on this occasion though.....claims are lost far too cheaply in England,promising though he may be Osin will find it a lot tougher from now on.
What race riding have u negative guy`s been watching in the last 19months. Look how the kid rides, don`t mind the winners and losers. And saying he won`t do this and that, ffs give him a chance. And then if my opinion is wrong then u can come on here and comment. But until then just enjoy this kid, he has some talent and I will say it again he is going right to the top.
Good afternoon Halcyon days, it's not about point scoring, it's about continuously have to repeat the original point all along/over and over again, which still seemingly hasn't hit home with easygold considering if his post at 12:03 is anything to go by, as he still seems to be under the misguided impression that I and others don't rate Oisin Murphy despite being told several times that isn't the case.
Are you familiar with reading actual words on a screen Marcee and taking them in and not making massive assumptions? First who said I believed the story and secondly who said it wasn't the case anyway? What I said was several jockeys were reportedly in the frame for the ride on Rizeena and gave the reasons why others wouldn't be on her and then mentioned Fallon has ridden a lot for Clive Brittain this season and those are all facts. I then said regarding the ride that Fallon was "in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" and the Ascot part is also a fact but you haven't actually prove that him being in the frame wasn't, you've just made an assumption (not an unreasonable one either) but I was only repeating what had been claimed elsewhere and not stating it as a fact but if I had know I was going to have to second guess you I would have added the word apparently or reportedly in front of saying Fallon was in the frame for the ride. "In the frame" were my words too and I later gave a source for the story, where the writer's exact words were he was "linked" to the ride.
Whatever the case anyway, as is par for the course with you, you tend to get fixated by the less important finer detail and ignore that main point being made, which was that several top jockeys were not available for the ride and yet Oisin Murphy doesn't look to have been considered for it, even to the extend that the trainer has looked overseas and that's mainly because he can't claim, so he can't offer the trainer anything better than someone like Olivier Peslier.
"Settled" is merely a figure of speech (something else you do, as in jump on certain words when again there's a a more significant overall point) and my point was he wasn't the first choice and I could just as easily have said they chose, ended up choosing, have gone with, have ended up going with or any other number of ways of wording it with the main point being others were their preference if available.
I said no such thing that Murphy "would struggle to compete for rides with Thomas Brown" so can't really respond to that other than to say they are both at the same yard so Murphy would get on some mounts there and Brown would others and that has been the case. All I said was Murphy could struggle for winners once he loses his claim (and said that about Brown and others too for that matter) and that some rides he might have previously ridden will go to the next batch of apprentices if the trainer wanted weight off his horse's back or would go to more experienced jockeys off levels.
I also pointed out that this season he will still get some for want of a better phrase (have to be careful with you now) goodwill carry over from trainers based on how he was doing earlier in the season and it's his next one as a fully fledged jockey from the start of it that will be crunch time. I also would pointed out in case you haven't noticed that his winners have dried up and been few and far between for a while now in the lead up to losing his claim. His SR percentage is down too from earlier in the season and is currently lower than those of other apprentices such as Connor Beasley, Cam Hardie, Louis Steward, George Chaloner, Ryan Tate, Robert Tart and Joey Haynes, so I've not just made my judgement 4 days after him losing his claim.
What part of me saying he has talent several times now are you still having difficulty understanding easygold? It still doesn't mean he might be in for a hard time of things next season and beyond unless he gets the right job.
Are you familiar with reading actual words on a screen Marcee and taking them in and not making massive assumptions? First who said I believed the story and secondly who said it wasn't the case anyway? What I said was several jockeys were reportedly in the frame for the ride on Rizeena and gave the reasons why others wouldn't be on her and then mentioned Fallon has ridden a lot for Clive Brittain this season and those are all facts. I then said regarding the ride that Fallon was "in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" and the Ascot part is also a fact but you haven't actually prove that him being in the frame wasn't, you've just made an assumption (not an unreasonable one either) but I was only repeating what had been claimed elsewhere and not stating it as a fact but if I had know I was going to have to second guess you I would have added the word apparently or reportedly in front of saying Fallon was in the frame for the ride. "In the frame" were my words too and I later gave a source for the story, where the writer's exact words were he was "linked" to the ride.
Whatever the case anyway, as is par for the course with you, you tend to get fixated by the less important finer detail and ignore that main point being made, which was that several top jockeys were not available for the ride and yet Oisin Murphy doesn't look to have been considered for it, even to the extend that the trainer has looked overseas and that's mainly because he can't claim, so he can't offer the trainer anything better than someone like Olivier Peslier.
"Settled" is merely a figure of speech (something else you do, as in jump on certain words when again there's a a more significant overall point) and my point was he wasn't the first choice and I could just as easily have said they chose, ended up choosing, have gone with, have ended up going with or any other number of ways of wording it with the main point being others were their preference if available.
I said no such thing that Murphy "would struggle to compete for rides with Thomas Brown" so can't really respond to that other than to say they are both at the same yard so Murphy would get on some mounts there and Brown would others and that has been the case. All I said was Murphy could struggle for winners once he loses his claim (and said that about Brown and others too for that matter) and that some rides he might have previously ridden will go to the next batch of apprentices if the trainer wanted weight off his horse's back or would go to more experienced jockeys off levels.
I also pointed out that this season he will still get some for want of a better phrase (have to be careful with you now) goodwill carry over from trainers based on how he was doing earlier in the season and it's his next one as a fully fledged jockey from the start of it that will be crunch time. I also would pointed out in case you haven't noticed that his winners have dried up and been few and far between for a while now in the lead up to losing his claim. His SR percentage is down too from earlier in the season and is currently lower than those of other apprentices such as Connor Beasley, Cam Hardie, Louis Steward, George Chaloner, Ryan Tate, Robert Tart and Joey Haynes, so I've not just made my judgement 4 days after him losing his claim.
What part of me saying he has talent several times now are you still having difficulty understanding easygold? It still doesn't mean he might be in for a hard time of things next season and beyond unless he gets the right job.
The thing is Ima, u state the most obvious poor lame comments in every paragraph....... a 12-y-o u is just starting to watch racing now knows that. No need to state the obvious.......... It`s an opinion about a rider that we see riding winners, THERE have been 100`s of riders in the last 10 years.
This young kid is different to all them I`m sure of it.
AGAIN, I DON`T GIVE A DAMN WHAT U WRITE.
This young kid is different to all them I`m sure of it.
AGAIN, I DON`T GIVE A DAMN WHAT U WRITE.
I think Ryan Tate is going to be one of the best of the current crop of apprentices.I seem to remember the same euphoria surrounding Robert Tart.
I think there are 2 problems regarding apprentices these days ,they use a lot of their claim up quickly riding on the AW in poor standard races by trainers that are only interested in landing gambles with horses that are already well ahead of the handicapper,riding on the AW these apprentices will learn very little,imo.
O.Murphy is clearly talented but is not special although he may well turn out to become a top jock in 3/4 years time.
C,Hardie is another youngster to catch the eye,but from what I have seen he seems to be riding a lot of well fancied and very well handicapped horses.
The test will come for these young riders when they lose their claim and have a losing run.
I think there are 2 problems regarding apprentices these days ,they use a lot of their claim up quickly riding on the AW in poor standard races by trainers that are only interested in landing gambles with horses that are already well ahead of the handicapper,riding on the AW these apprentices will learn very little,imo.
O.Murphy is clearly talented but is not special although he may well turn out to become a top jock in 3/4 years time.
C,Hardie is another youngster to catch the eye,but from what I have seen he seems to be riding a lot of well fancied and very well handicapped horses.
The test will come for these young riders when they lose their claim and have a losing run.
So despite me stating it remains to be seen what happens once Oisin Murphy loses his claim as I've seen it over the years with several past apprentices and you easygold basically saying that's all irrelevant and rubbishing my logic all along for the past however long it's been, it seems the penny has finally dropped with you and I "state the most obvious poor lame comments in every paragraph....... a 12-y-o u is just starting to watch racing now knows that" so how old are you then and what was your excuse for disagreeing from the start?
You're just a bluffer who even tries to deflect and disguise that you got something wrong all along by trying to convince yourself that it was obvious and that you never disagreed to begin with. The problem there is that others know you did.
Exactly FrankRA so please now try telling easygold that.
You're just a bluffer who even tries to deflect and disguise that you got something wrong all along by trying to convince yourself that it was obvious and that you never disagreed to begin with. The problem there is that others know you did.
Exactly FrankRA so please now try telling easygold that.
u HAVE TROUBLE READING ................ logic......... a 12-y-o can understand if he loses the claim blah,blah. That`s the difference u can`t see it in front of ur own eyes. How is Tart,Brown getting on????? Pleb
LOL @ being called a pleb by someone who took a year to realise something was the obvious and is now trying to wriggle out of it now that it's eventually sunk in just how obvious it was all along. If "a 12 year old understands if his loses his claim blah blah blah" then why have you been arguing otherwise ffs?
As regards how Brown and Tart are getting on, have you decided for today yet how you want to measure that as last time when I listed their winners totals for last season which were both more than Murphy's, because it didn't suit you then that wasn't the way to measure it. Both though are as I've previously said in a similar position to Murphy in that when they have dropped from claiming 5lbs to 3lbs so then the next batch of 5lb claimers coming along are likely to be getting certain rides that they once were.
Brown though is clearly struggling with his weight but might get on a few more of Balding's with his 3lb claim (as long as he can do the weight) that Murphy might have got on before, as if for argument's sake we say one pound equals one length then I don't think Murphy is value for 3L more than Brown, and Tart has a SR this season of 13.92% compared to Murphy's 12.68% so I would say he was doing OK considering the difference in ability of the horses both jockeys tend to ride.
As regards how Brown and Tart are getting on, have you decided for today yet how you want to measure that as last time when I listed their winners totals for last season which were both more than Murphy's, because it didn't suit you then that wasn't the way to measure it. Both though are as I've previously said in a similar position to Murphy in that when they have dropped from claiming 5lbs to 3lbs so then the next batch of 5lb claimers coming along are likely to be getting certain rides that they once were.
Brown though is clearly struggling with his weight but might get on a few more of Balding's with his 3lb claim (as long as he can do the weight) that Murphy might have got on before, as if for argument's sake we say one pound equals one length then I don't think Murphy is value for 3L more than Brown, and Tart has a SR this season of 13.92% compared to Murphy's 12.68% so I would say he was doing OK considering the difference in ability of the horses both jockeys tend to ride.
There u go again..... looking at the results page.......... watch a few more races and come back to me. Look at MURPHY, VIA to any other young rider and see can u see the difference......... Now don`t come back until u have watched at least 200 rides. And then u mite learn something........Mite
Silly me for thinking winning races was a form of showing a jockey had talent and can be successful....I told you to decide what way you wanted to judge it anyway and then get back to me and I've seen plenty of races and plenty of good, bad and indifferent jockeys over the years and that was the very reason I made the point about it remains to be seen how Murphy gets on once he loses his claim, so pardon me if I choose not to take any lesson from someone who wasn't even aware of that all along.
And yes I've also seen very good rides result in defeat too but you tend to generalise and hide behind that and not mention any specifics and the way you go on it's as if win, lose or draw that Murphy is the only decent apprentice out there and that clearly isn't the case, when some of the other ones are doing now what he was doing last season because every year a decent batch come along and that's always been the case.
History tends to repeat itself and some of us are more aware of that than others and so are able to use past circumstances to judge future ones.
And yes I've also seen very good rides result in defeat too but you tend to generalise and hide behind that and not mention any specifics and the way you go on it's as if win, lose or draw that Murphy is the only decent apprentice out there and that clearly isn't the case, when some of the other ones are doing now what he was doing last season because every year a decent batch come along and that's always been the case.
History tends to repeat itself and some of us are more aware of that than others and so are able to use past circumstances to judge future ones.
U don`t hear me spouting about Hardie,Beasley,Keane e.t.c they can ride..... but this fellow is in a different league.......
ima you're getting increasingly strange to be honest.
Whether you should have put "reportedly", "apparently", "wibble or ruddy "wobble" the original post from you seemed to be an all knowing statement. It later transpired it was something you read.
You talk about others becoming fixated with lesser important points whilst ploughing on for days about those very same things.
Quite simply you tried to make a ludicrous point that Oisin Murphy not being considered for the ride on Rizeena somehow justified "what you've been saying all along." There was no earthly reason why Murphy should have come into the reckoning for that particular ride. At this stage of his career he clearly can't offer as much as someone like Peslier in a valuable Group 1. I suppose the fact that Peslier has been chosen instead of the likes of Lee, Kirby and Hanagan to name just a few, indicates they haven't got much to offer either? The kind of rides Murphy will be looking to keep will be exactly the kind of rides he's had thus far during his career. Continuing to win on those will lead to rides in listed and Group races as has happened on the odd occasion already this season.
I know exactly what happened leading up to losing his claim. He went on a losing run of 31 prior to losing it which was the longest losing run of his career so far. That happens to all jockeys. As you're so fond of bringing some balance, Fallon went on a losing run of almost 50 not so long ago. Can I take it that you will now accept that losing run means he isn't as good as he was or are you just going to use certain facts in isolation when it suits you to as usual?
I've said it before but your whole existence seems to depend on being seen to be right. So much so that you have to keep resorting to the most ludicrous of comparisons to supposedly justify your arguments.
Whether you should have put "reportedly", "apparently", "wibble or ruddy "wobble" the original post from you seemed to be an all knowing statement. It later transpired it was something you read.
You talk about others becoming fixated with lesser important points whilst ploughing on for days about those very same things.
Quite simply you tried to make a ludicrous point that Oisin Murphy not being considered for the ride on Rizeena somehow justified "what you've been saying all along." There was no earthly reason why Murphy should have come into the reckoning for that particular ride. At this stage of his career he clearly can't offer as much as someone like Peslier in a valuable Group 1. I suppose the fact that Peslier has been chosen instead of the likes of Lee, Kirby and Hanagan to name just a few, indicates they haven't got much to offer either? The kind of rides Murphy will be looking to keep will be exactly the kind of rides he's had thus far during his career. Continuing to win on those will lead to rides in listed and Group races as has happened on the odd occasion already this season.
I know exactly what happened leading up to losing his claim. He went on a losing run of 31 prior to losing it which was the longest losing run of his career so far. That happens to all jockeys. As you're so fond of bringing some balance, Fallon went on a losing run of almost 50 not so long ago. Can I take it that you will now accept that losing run means he isn't as good as he was or are you just going to use certain facts in isolation when it suits you to as usual?
I've said it before but your whole existence seems to depend on being seen to be right. So much so that you have to keep resorting to the most ludicrous of comparisons to supposedly justify your arguments.
As I said over 25 times a Pleb, the reason`s he uses are childish a sign as a Bluffer..... What he offer`s to this forum is 0
As I said over 25 times a Pleb, the reason`s he uses are childish a sign as a Bluffer..... What he offer`s to this forum is 0
'I've said it before but your whole existence seems to depend on being seen to be right. So much so that you have to keep resorting to the most ludicrous of comparisons to supposedly justify your arguments.'
Wonderfully put ! I'll take 1.01 ima will come back ! Can you imagine being married to him if he was a woman !
Wonderfully put ! I'll take 1.01 ima will come back ! Can you imagine being married to him if he was a woman !
Excellent winning ride, there, on the far from easy to win on Ethics Girl.
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I see Marcee you are still loving the massive assumptions and how exactly does me repeating something I've read constitute that I "seemed to be an all knowing statement. It later transpired it was something you read?" Well yes it was something I read, just as in the very same article it also stated various other jockeys couldn't take the ride on Rizeena but I wasn't aware that I had to source everything at the time of posting.....And apart from anything else, what I originally said was " Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" and 2 or the 3 points in that are facts and the other hasn't been shown not to be. The source of that information worded it as "while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot" and also said Pesilier takes the ride so he has a lot right there from what we can prove and know for sure but you want to quibble another point despite not being able to prove that to be wrong anyway.
I don't know if you have got into your head that I know Fallon or am privy to any inside info but I can assure you that I am not, so anything I said I have read is from where it's in the public domain. I seem to remember one time saying that I know he liked such and such a horse (because I read in in an article in the public domain then too) and you coming back accusing me of trying to make out I was in the know then, which again was you making a massive assumption and splitting hairs with wordings because I used the expression "I know that...." and the reason I knew was because I had read it, just as I know Pesilier is on Rizeena because I read it, but I'm not the one claiming to be "in the know" and that's yet another assumption on your part that you are putting to me.
You later on say "Quite simply you tried to make a ludicrous point that Oisin Murphy not being considered for the ride on Rizeena somehow justified 'what you've been saying all along.' There was no earthly reason why Murphy should have come into the reckoning for that particular ride. At this stage of his career he clearly can't offer as much as someone like Peslier in a valuable Group 1" well don't tell me that as I've been aware of that all along and have been saying it all along, it's the likes of easygold who has struggled with it. My point was when Murphy was still claiming, he has something to offer trainers, that he could take weight off but once he no longer claimed he's be up against claimers who can offer weight off or more experienceed fully fledged jockeys like Pesilier. What's the point of you repeating back my own point to me and telling me it's obvious when I already know that, which was why I made the point to begin with?.....Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
What you can take it to accept when Murphy went on a losing run of 31 is not that I have said he isn't as good as he was because I've never questioned his ability, what you can accept it will mean as I've stated several times is that apprentices can find it harder to get winners when dropping form 5lbs to 3lb and harder again from 3lbs to levels and that applies to them all (which I've also said several times) so when I say something well in advance and it turns out to be the case then I tend to see that as my point coming home to roost.
Oh and when did Fallon go 50 rides without a winner? Could it be when riding mainly poor horses when not er, having that top job that I was mentioning Murphy is going to need if he's ever going to be Champion Jockey and/or go to the next level?
I don't have to justify anything to show I am right, my claims and points will do that (or not as the case may be) over time but at the risk of sounding conceited, I think my past record holds me in good stead on that score and was saying for example Fallon was still up to it if the horse was good enough when plenty of others had effectively written off his career as all but over.
I don't know if you have got into your head that I know Fallon or am privy to any inside info but I can assure you that I am not, so anything I said I have read is from where it's in the public domain. I seem to remember one time saying that I know he liked such and such a horse (because I read in in an article in the public domain then too) and you coming back accusing me of trying to make out I was in the know then, which again was you making a massive assumption and splitting hairs with wordings because I used the expression "I know that...." and the reason I knew was because I had read it, just as I know Pesilier is on Rizeena because I read it, but I'm not the one claiming to be "in the know" and that's yet another assumption on your part that you are putting to me.
You later on say "Quite simply you tried to make a ludicrous point that Oisin Murphy not being considered for the ride on Rizeena somehow justified 'what you've been saying all along.' There was no earthly reason why Murphy should have come into the reckoning for that particular ride. At this stage of his career he clearly can't offer as much as someone like Peslier in a valuable Group 1" well don't tell me that as I've been aware of that all along and have been saying it all along, it's the likes of easygold who has struggled with it. My point was when Murphy was still claiming, he has something to offer trainers, that he could take weight off but once he no longer claimed he's be up against claimers who can offer weight off or more experienceed fully fledged jockeys like Pesilier. What's the point of you repeating back my own point to me and telling me it's obvious when I already know that, which was why I made the point to begin with?.....Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
What you can take it to accept when Murphy went on a losing run of 31 is not that I have said he isn't as good as he was because I've never questioned his ability, what you can accept it will mean as I've stated several times is that apprentices can find it harder to get winners when dropping form 5lbs to 3lb and harder again from 3lbs to levels and that applies to them all (which I've also said several times) so when I say something well in advance and it turns out to be the case then I tend to see that as my point coming home to roost.
Oh and when did Fallon go 50 rides without a winner? Could it be when riding mainly poor horses when not er, having that top job that I was mentioning Murphy is going to need if he's ever going to be Champion Jockey and/or go to the next level?
I don't have to justify anything to show I am right, my claims and points will do that (or not as the case may be) over time but at the risk of sounding conceited, I think my past record holds me in good stead on that score and was saying for example Fallon was still up to it if the horse was good enough when plenty of others had effectively written off his career as all but over.
Still the same sh i te , u gives a damn about what he has done 7lbs,5lbs,3lbs 0lbs claim. U go on repeating the same stuff about this WHY, sure that`s a gimme with all riders. And we wait and see how he does without the claim, that a gimme too.... Ffs. All this thread said was he is the next super kid on the block who will make it to the top end of........ Opinion`s surely u know them. And u come back with all this crap what other jockey`s did in the past. Christ ur boring and lame.
And ur comment about u said that Murphy would not be picked for a Group 1 ride before the big boy`s?????, of course he won`t he is possible number 25 on the list at this stage., no one is saying that only you.M opinion can go on for at least 2 seasons.
Here is another opinion, Oisin Murphy, will most likely be riding for O`Brien in a few season`s or even sooner.
And ur comment about u said that Murphy would not be picked for a Group 1 ride before the big boy`s?????, of course he won`t he is possible number 25 on the list at this stage., no one is saying that only you.M opinion can go on for at least 2 seasons.
Here is another opinion, Oisin Murphy, will most likely be riding for O`Brien in a few season`s or even sooner.
That last line is an amazing statement.
Wouldn't put him ahead of Tylicki or Probert, myself.
Wouldn't put him ahead of Tylicki or Probert, myself.
ima_mazed66,
Good morning. You've made the points several times over now, your contribution to this thread is becoming like a Chinese water torture ! PLEASE, stop rehashing the same ''facts'' (sic), most of us are intelligent enough to make our own minds up !
I move.
Good morning. You've made the points several times over now, your contribution to this thread is becoming like a Chinese water torture ! PLEASE, stop rehashing the same ''facts'' (sic), most of us are intelligent enough to make our own minds up !
I move.
Ima just a few points here but I've never accused you of trying to claim to be in the know. Quite frankly beacause reading your posts it's glaringly obvious to me that you're not.
You're still not grasping that point about Peslier. The fact that a trainer will think he has more to offer in a Group 1 than a jockey fresh out of being an apprentice does not automatically scan that they will therefore feel a claiming apprentice offers more to them in other races. A clue as to why this is the case can be found in the prize money he's won this season which is half a million quid. The next best total prize money for another apprentice isn't over 200 grand. In short, Murphy has been consistently competing in and winning races that haven't been the norm for an apprentice jockey.
Fallon's run of almost 50 losers came last month btw. At a time when he was riding the better horses you say he needs. Interesting you think Fallon is an example of your record being shown in good stead. As it stands he's on course to get not many more winners than the 62 of last season. As it stands his win percentage is the same as last season. As it stands De Sousa has a far higher win percentage than Fallon does on Bin Suroor horses. If you take that to be vindication then good luck to you.
You're still not grasping that point about Peslier. The fact that a trainer will think he has more to offer in a Group 1 than a jockey fresh out of being an apprentice does not automatically scan that they will therefore feel a claiming apprentice offers more to them in other races. A clue as to why this is the case can be found in the prize money he's won this season which is half a million quid. The next best total prize money for another apprentice isn't over 200 grand. In short, Murphy has been consistently competing in and winning races that haven't been the norm for an apprentice jockey.
Fallon's run of almost 50 losers came last month btw. At a time when he was riding the better horses you say he needs. Interesting you think Fallon is an example of your record being shown in good stead. As it stands he's on course to get not many more winners than the 62 of last season. As it stands his win percentage is the same as last season. As it stands De Sousa has a far higher win percentage than Fallon does on Bin Suroor horses. If you take that to be vindication then good luck to you.
Hi Soul, those jockey`s have way more exp...... I wouldn`t put him ahead of them either, but in time he will be, that`s what this thread is about. Cheers
Bit like England footballers.
Over-hyped when they are still immature kids.
Don't serve their apprenticeships and therefore shortcut the growing up process when mistakes are all part of learning.
Many others also coming through, so wtll be very surprised if he is still regarded as a phenomenon in 2 or 3 years hence.
Just my opinion
Over-hyped when they are still immature kids.
Don't serve their apprenticeships and therefore shortcut the growing up process when mistakes are all part of learning.
Many others also coming through, so wtll be very surprised if he is still regarded as a phenomenon in 2 or 3 years hence.
Just my opinion
LOL easygold you are some comedian, arguing the toss for almost a year with everything I've said and not that it is shown to be the case you try to suggest it was a gimme" all along, so then why exactly were you arguing it before then?
As for Murphy being picked for Gr1s at this stage, what part of me saying that it remained to be seen how he does when he loses his claim once other apprentices can offer trainers a claim or he has to compete off levels with the big boys in the big races (such as Gr1s for example) didn't you quite understand the 101 times I said it before or when I said it almost a year ago and at exactly what stage recently did the penny drop at last?
Has it every occurred to you halcyon days that not every post I or others make are directly for you? So if I repeat a point I've already made then it's because idiots like easygold have to be told over and over again and see it actually materialise before their very eyes before it finally sinks in and yet the laughable part is he feels comfortable calling others plebs.
I'm honoured though that you singled out your attention all for me though despite several other multi-posting in the thread and repeating their points over and over again too.
In the know regarding facts about Fallon is what I meant Marcee and I've never claimed to be. You've also just said you have never accused me (no doubt you will jump on the wording there and focus on that rather than the main point) yet you earlier wrote "Whether you should have put "reportedly", "apparently", "wibble or ruddy "wobble" the original post from you seemed to be an all knowing statement. It later transpired it was something you read. So clearing you were inferring that I was acting as if I was in the know but was actually just an assumption on your part.
Once again I'm also having to address another wrongly made assumptions on your part too as I'm not failing to grasp any point about Peslier. What I said was (I could have sworn I've typed this several times now and yet still get dug out by others for once again having to repeat it) once Murphy lost his claim he is in a difficult position because he can't offer weight off a horse's back and doesn't have the experience of a older jockey, so at both ends of the scale other jockeys have an advantage over him.
Putting aside Peslier?Murphy in a Gr1 seeing as no apprentice jockey can claim in those, using a high value handicap race instead, if I had a horse due to carry 9-3 and I felt it was weighted up to the max and I had a choice of Peslier or Murphy at levels then I'd go for Peslier. Had Murphy been able to take 3lbs off then that makes his booking more attractive in comparison to Peslier. If it was a choice of Murphy with 3lbs off and say Cam Hardie with 5lbs then the extra 2lbs could be significant there. If It was then a choice of Murphy at levels or someone like Brown, Hart or Tart with 3lbs off then I'd go for one of those and the 3lbs reduction, meaning Murphy will be getting squeezed all ways and which was my point all along.
Nobody was saying given a choice between a top class fully fledged jockey and a 3lb claimer taking weight off in a handicap that a trainer will always go with the claimer, as some might consider the extra experience of the full jockey offsets the 3lbs, whereas others might think the 3lbs is key but at least the 3lbs claiming apprentice offers something over the fully fledged jockey that a non-claiming apprentice doesn't.
There's more than one way to judge a jockey and the claim from many including yourself (or at the very least you alluded to it) was that Fallon was as good as finished and jockeys as good as finished don't win group races like the Musidora, 2000gns and the Brigadier Gerard. In fact not only do they tend not to win them but they tend not to have rides in them either, nor in races like the Derby and Oaks for that matter. If you then add in the various big races he won over the winter in Dubai including Gr1s then that seems to me far from a jockey whose career is all but finished.
As for Murphy being picked for Gr1s at this stage, what part of me saying that it remained to be seen how he does when he loses his claim once other apprentices can offer trainers a claim or he has to compete off levels with the big boys in the big races (such as Gr1s for example) didn't you quite understand the 101 times I said it before or when I said it almost a year ago and at exactly what stage recently did the penny drop at last?
Has it every occurred to you halcyon days that not every post I or others make are directly for you? So if I repeat a point I've already made then it's because idiots like easygold have to be told over and over again and see it actually materialise before their very eyes before it finally sinks in and yet the laughable part is he feels comfortable calling others plebs.
I'm honoured though that you singled out your attention all for me though despite several other multi-posting in the thread and repeating their points over and over again too.
In the know regarding facts about Fallon is what I meant Marcee and I've never claimed to be. You've also just said you have never accused me (no doubt you will jump on the wording there and focus on that rather than the main point) yet you earlier wrote "Whether you should have put "reportedly", "apparently", "wibble or ruddy "wobble" the original post from you seemed to be an all knowing statement. It later transpired it was something you read. So clearing you were inferring that I was acting as if I was in the know but was actually just an assumption on your part.
Once again I'm also having to address another wrongly made assumptions on your part too as I'm not failing to grasp any point about Peslier. What I said was (I could have sworn I've typed this several times now and yet still get dug out by others for once again having to repeat it) once Murphy lost his claim he is in a difficult position because he can't offer weight off a horse's back and doesn't have the experience of a older jockey, so at both ends of the scale other jockeys have an advantage over him.
Putting aside Peslier?Murphy in a Gr1 seeing as no apprentice jockey can claim in those, using a high value handicap race instead, if I had a horse due to carry 9-3 and I felt it was weighted up to the max and I had a choice of Peslier or Murphy at levels then I'd go for Peslier. Had Murphy been able to take 3lbs off then that makes his booking more attractive in comparison to Peslier. If it was a choice of Murphy with 3lbs off and say Cam Hardie with 5lbs then the extra 2lbs could be significant there. If It was then a choice of Murphy at levels or someone like Brown, Hart or Tart with 3lbs off then I'd go for one of those and the 3lbs reduction, meaning Murphy will be getting squeezed all ways and which was my point all along.
Nobody was saying given a choice between a top class fully fledged jockey and a 3lb claimer taking weight off in a handicap that a trainer will always go with the claimer, as some might consider the extra experience of the full jockey offsets the 3lbs, whereas others might think the 3lbs is key but at least the 3lbs claiming apprentice offers something over the fully fledged jockey that a non-claiming apprentice doesn't.
There's more than one way to judge a jockey and the claim from many including yourself (or at the very least you alluded to it) was that Fallon was as good as finished and jockeys as good as finished don't win group races like the Musidora, 2000gns and the Brigadier Gerard. In fact not only do they tend not to win them but they tend not to have rides in them either, nor in races like the Derby and Oaks for that matter. If you then add in the various big races he won over the winter in Dubai including Gr1s then that seems to me far from a jockey whose career is all but finished.
I would suggest yes CheltenhamRoar and the clue is when they touch on in their own posts specific points I've previously made in mine.
Nice to see you took the trouble to bother to post suggesting you don't though and I thank you for your time and effort.
Nice to see you took the trouble to bother to post suggesting you don't though and I thank you for your time and effort.
You Fear!!!!!! e.g NEGATIVE, when this kid turns out to be a top jock, u will still say u thought that, but u had to wait until what stable he went to blah,blah. If u can`t see that he is going to be riding for best in due course I give up.
And those riders u compared him to, will NEVER, NEVER, make it NEVER. But u have to wait until the season`s go by to make a comment.
I heard ur bill for that carpenter was over 2k, with all the times u broke that fence.
And those riders u compared him to, will NEVER, NEVER, make it NEVER. But u have to wait until the season`s go by to make a comment.
I heard ur bill for that carpenter was over 2k, with all the times u broke that fence.
I fear as in being realistic, you might term it as negative easygold but that's up to you. That fear also applies to all claimers too once they have to ride at levels against the big boys and it can take them several seasons to climb their way up to somewhere near a level footing with the top jockeys, and some never make it at all after struggling once their claim has gone. Look how long it took Paul Hanagan to reach the top after being Champion Apprentice over a decade ago and yet only rode his first UK classic winner last month.
You seem to be struggling with working out the difference between me questioning whether Murphy will be a future Champion Jockey which was your specific claim and me saying whether of not he will make it within the sport. I said the first of those was dependent on how he gets on once he loses his claim and if he gets the right job, so once again I seem to be having to repeat myself for you here as you didn't seem to get it the other times I've said it, and those provisos are as relevant now as they were when I first said it. I've also told you several times I rate him and he had talent and even answered your question by saying yes I do think he has the "potential to be a top jockey in years to come" because unlike you I pay attention to how things are worded and don't just answer them going by the gist of what was said.
Although not knowing if something will happen so just bluffing and being a guesser like you is your recommendation is it, rather than be like me and saying I don't know something and it will all depend on whatever whatever? If I don't know I'll say I don't know and again if you want to deem that as sitting on the fence that's entirely up to you but I'm not going to guess for the sake of it if I don't know. I don't know tomorrow's Lottery numbers either so no doubt if you asked me what they were and I said I didn't know then I would be sitting on the fence there too going by your logic.....You do know it's not the law or compulsory to have a specific view on something don't you?
You seem to be struggling with working out the difference between me questioning whether Murphy will be a future Champion Jockey which was your specific claim and me saying whether of not he will make it within the sport. I said the first of those was dependent on how he gets on once he loses his claim and if he gets the right job, so once again I seem to be having to repeat myself for you here as you didn't seem to get it the other times I've said it, and those provisos are as relevant now as they were when I first said it. I've also told you several times I rate him and he had talent and even answered your question by saying yes I do think he has the "potential to be a top jockey in years to come" because unlike you I pay attention to how things are worded and don't just answer them going by the gist of what was said.
Although not knowing if something will happen so just bluffing and being a guesser like you is your recommendation is it, rather than be like me and saying I don't know something and it will all depend on whatever whatever? If I don't know I'll say I don't know and again if you want to deem that as sitting on the fence that's entirely up to you but I'm not going to guess for the sake of it if I don't know. I don't know tomorrow's Lottery numbers either so no doubt if you asked me what they were and I said I didn't know then I would be sitting on the fence there too going by your logic.....You do know it's not the law or compulsory to have a specific view on something don't you?
Jesus, ur boring man........ a complete ****, I pity people who hang around with u.
But apparently not boring enough to stop you keep coming back for more.
Funny too how I tend to be labelled boring once having to continuously repeat myself to you after you getting completely wrong what I actually said yet again. Maybe if you could read properly, process and retain information then I wouldn't need to repeat it.
Just a thought eh?
Funny too how I tend to be labelled boring once having to continuously repeat myself to you after you getting completely wrong what I actually said yet again. Maybe if you could read properly, process and retain information then I wouldn't need to repeat it.
Just a thought eh?
That`s it, want u write, is boring and lame, any guy who follow`s racing knows all that crap u write when they were kids (well they shud). So u go over what u have written and ask urself the question. Is my writing boring and I`m sure u will agree.
Surely, any guy knows, when they lose the claim, trainer, blah,blah.
And all I said is he is the next super kid. End Of...... My opinion.
Surely, any guy knows, when they lose the claim, trainer, blah,blah.
And all I said is he is the next super kid. End Of...... My opinion.
If "any guy knows, when they lose the claim, trainer, blah,blah" then why have you been arguing against that and questioning it when I made that exact point about Oisin Murphy ages ago? Do you even realise what you are arguing any more?
I can assure you too that nothing is more boring for me than me have to correct you on something you claim I have said when I haven't and then have to repeat for you yet again what I actually did say just because of your inability to get it right the first dozen or so times I've said it.
And no that's not all you said when you are now claiming Murphy "is the next super kid" and what you claimed was he was a certain future Champion Jockey which is a quite specific claim and I merely pointed out a few reasons why that might (key word there) not be the case. Reasons that you finally seem to be coming around to and accepting judging by some of your more recent posts.
I can assure you too that nothing is more boring for me than me have to correct you on something you claim I have said when I haven't and then have to repeat for you yet again what I actually did say just because of your inability to get it right the first dozen or so times I've said it.
And no that's not all you said when you are now claiming Murphy "is the next super kid" and what you claimed was he was a certain future Champion Jockey which is a quite specific claim and I merely pointed out a few reasons why that might (key word there) not be the case. Reasons that you finally seem to be coming around to and accepting judging by some of your more recent posts.
Accepting......... u don`t have to point anything out for me if Murphy does not make it...... that is a gimme, but u feel u have to write paragraphs about stuff that guy`s like myself know what can happen when things don`t work out for jockey`s.
But this kid is different, I`m sure of it......... I know I`m saying a bold statement but that`s what I think....... end of
But this kid is different, I`m sure of it......... I know I`m saying a bold statement but that`s what I think....... end of
Dearie me ima. You accuse others of making assumptions and then launch into a load yourself. You accuse others of taking written words literally and then do the same yourself.
This was what I responded to
I seem to remember one time saying that I know he liked such and such a horse (because I read in in an article in the public domain then too) and you coming back accusing me of trying to make out I was in the know then,
I clearly wasn't referring to what I had written on this thread which clearly does not accuse you of making out you were in the know. "Allknowing" in that case refers to you stating something as if you believed it to be fact wherever you had read it or heard it.
As for Murphy I said earlier in this thread that at this stage he just needs to continue to keep getting on the kind of rides he's been getting so far and still getting the winners from them. He's had 3 this week I believe and 3 a week over the course of a season will take a jockey to over 100 winners. A jockey riding 100 winners a season will inevitably come into the frame for rides on better horses in listed and group races. It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him. Time will tell on that part. Yes jockeys have struggled previously when they've ridden out their claim. At the same time many others have continued to flourish without it. I, and many others, expect that to be the case with Murphy.
Symptomatic of your urge to always be right, you once again set the bar incredibly low for Fallon. Yes he's won some decent races this season but it's about more than winning the odd decent race. I like the way you tell me that there's different ways of judging a jockey when I've been pointing that out to you since your hilarious "he's hit 50 winners" post of last season.
Quite simply, my own eyes told me he was nowhere near the jockey he was. That comes down to opinion at the end of the day but the number of winners he was getting dropped off and just as importantly his strike rate diminished from 18% and higher during his pomp to around 12%. Last year you blamed it on the quality of rides he was getting. This year even you accept he's been getting on better horses and there has been no real improvement in the strike rate. I believe the Whitley ratings, which he always tended to figure quite highly in, have shown him as being in decline. It's been noticeable in the past week that Bin Suroor has gone for other jockeys in races where Fallon has also had rides. Maybe Godolphin have realised it as well though of course that's merely an assumption on my part. What I was seeing with my eyes has been backed up with the figures over the same period.
Ultimately though, rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day, any opinion you have about racing is measured by the profit and loss you make based on those opinions. Let's put it this way. I've still been happy to lay Fallon on horses I wouldn't have been keen to lay a few years back.
This was what I responded to
I seem to remember one time saying that I know he liked such and such a horse (because I read in in an article in the public domain then too) and you coming back accusing me of trying to make out I was in the know then,
I clearly wasn't referring to what I had written on this thread which clearly does not accuse you of making out you were in the know. "Allknowing" in that case refers to you stating something as if you believed it to be fact wherever you had read it or heard it.
As for Murphy I said earlier in this thread that at this stage he just needs to continue to keep getting on the kind of rides he's been getting so far and still getting the winners from them. He's had 3 this week I believe and 3 a week over the course of a season will take a jockey to over 100 winners. A jockey riding 100 winners a season will inevitably come into the frame for rides on better horses in listed and group races. It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him. Time will tell on that part. Yes jockeys have struggled previously when they've ridden out their claim. At the same time many others have continued to flourish without it. I, and many others, expect that to be the case with Murphy.
Symptomatic of your urge to always be right, you once again set the bar incredibly low for Fallon. Yes he's won some decent races this season but it's about more than winning the odd decent race. I like the way you tell me that there's different ways of judging a jockey when I've been pointing that out to you since your hilarious "he's hit 50 winners" post of last season.
Quite simply, my own eyes told me he was nowhere near the jockey he was. That comes down to opinion at the end of the day but the number of winners he was getting dropped off and just as importantly his strike rate diminished from 18% and higher during his pomp to around 12%. Last year you blamed it on the quality of rides he was getting. This year even you accept he's been getting on better horses and there has been no real improvement in the strike rate. I believe the Whitley ratings, which he always tended to figure quite highly in, have shown him as being in decline. It's been noticeable in the past week that Bin Suroor has gone for other jockeys in races where Fallon has also had rides. Maybe Godolphin have realised it as well though of course that's merely an assumption on my part. What I was seeing with my eyes has been backed up with the figures over the same period.
Ultimately though, rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day, any opinion you have about racing is measured by the profit and loss you make based on those opinions. Let's put it this way. I've still been happy to lay Fallon on horses I wouldn't have been keen to lay a few years back.
Yes easygold, accepting what I said about jockeys once they lose their claim and now you are trying to kid yourself and everyone else (and failing miserably too) that you knew all along that some apprentices can find it hard in the early stages when having to ride off levels.
I mentioned the most recent post about "all knowing" Marcce as I thought it was a given that you had previously accused me of trying to suggest I was in the know when I read in Fallon's Weekender column that he liked a horse called Nargys and so I said on here I know he thinks a bit of the horse or words to that effect (because I read them in his column) yet you accused me of trying to make out I was in the know then when I did no such thing and quite happily said I'd read it in his column.
That's why I only referred this time to your latest "all knowing" comment and I don't know about you but to me that phrase means knowing what is going on/being in the know. You might think I have taken differently your interpretation of how you meant the words but that's hardly my fault when they can have more than one meaning but at least I've gone by your actual words, as opposed to you and other getting the gist of what I've said but not my actually words.
Apart from anything else, you haven't even shown it not to be true about Fallon and the ride on Rizeena. Probably due to once again getting the gist of what I said and not the actual words, which were "Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" so please feel free to prove any of that wrong. The source of the story termed it as "...while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot" to which you replied rather patronisingly (a bit like your "Dearie me" comment too)
"Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead
and once again making a massive assumption as who said other rides tempted him to Ascot? What if he was due to go there for a Godolphin runner that got pulled out late and because of that Brittain turned to Peslier? Or any other reason you aren't "all knowing" about or "in the know" so it's a pity that in trying to be a clever d1ck you didn't consider any of that eh? Er.
I love your hypocrisy and double standards too when a while ago I pointed out the winners had dried up for Murphy and you condemned me for making that judgement 4 days after losing his claim (even though I was on about his previous 100 or so rides) and yet here you are a few more days on going on about the 3 winners in a week he's had since losing his claim as if that confirms anything. Then add in you number crunching manipulation about 3 winner every week, well he hasn't had 3 winners every week since losing his claim so that's a moot point anyway....Add to that again that one of those winners was against fellow apprentices which won't be the case for much longer either.
I also love being told "Symptomatic of your urge to always be right" and "rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day" by someone who is guilty of both and that hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness can only be laughed at really.
Oh and it occurs to me that you have made yet another massive assumption when you state:
It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him.
because I've said no such thing (why do I tend to type these same words a lot with you and easygold, do you both struggle with basic English or something?) and all I said was with his claim he has something extra to offer trainers that he won't when he loses it, so how that gets processed in your head as me supposedly saying "...it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him" is beyond me but I'm sure it must somehow makes sense within your head anyway.
I now know you actually do have trouble retaining information (are you and easygold related by any chance?) because I yet again am having to correct you over the 50 winners for Fallon mark even though I did it at the time and have done so several times since when you still fail to take in what I was saying. Print it off if you are struggling and then you can refer to it before making the same mistake all over again. So anyway, once more here is exactly what I said on him reaching 50 winners last season. When that happened I flagged it up and said from the way so many were writing him off and saying he was gone at the game, I was surprised to see he had even hit 50 as from the way some were going on you would have thought he was in single figures....Now read that back a few times or maybe get someone else to explain it to you instead eh?...Although preferably not easygold!
Once more I'm also having to repeat a counter to other points you've made about Fallon and of course his numbers had dropped considering the jobs he previously had and the fact when he came back he went all out for the jockey title but could only get 3rd and realised that wasn't an option any more. I told you that the last time you brought up that meaningless point and now I've just told you again. When he finished 3rd in the jockey table he had 933 rides and last season only had 538 and shock horror his number of winners was down on that, who'd have thought it eh?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that now Hanagan and SDS are no longer chasing the title either that their winners totals have gone down too and I'm really going to go wild now and push the boat out and suggest the same applies to Dettori also, now he's not been going all over the country chasing winners in an attempt to win the title too.
Yes Fallon's been getting on better horses this year but better still doesn't mean best so by merely getting on better quality doesn't have to mean more winners and once again SDS and Hanagan have shown that too. It can also mean instead of going to a meeting to ride 6 lower grade horses where 1 or 2 might have a chance of winning, they go to another course for say 3-4 rides instead where the horses might be better quality but so is the opposition and they can be far more competitive races too.
As for your laughably ridiculous comment about opinions are measured by profit and loss I'm embarrassed for you here as even if I thought Fallon was the best jockey riding today, what's that got to do with my profit and loss?
Oh and just to point out an example of what I've been alluding to regarding Oisin Murphy, he was beaten by a neck in first at Chester by a 5lb claimer that had Murphy been able to claim 3lbs probably would have seen him win or if the other jockey was riding off levels the same as Murphy.
I mentioned the most recent post about "all knowing" Marcce as I thought it was a given that you had previously accused me of trying to suggest I was in the know when I read in Fallon's Weekender column that he liked a horse called Nargys and so I said on here I know he thinks a bit of the horse or words to that effect (because I read them in his column) yet you accused me of trying to make out I was in the know then when I did no such thing and quite happily said I'd read it in his column.
That's why I only referred this time to your latest "all knowing" comment and I don't know about you but to me that phrase means knowing what is going on/being in the know. You might think I have taken differently your interpretation of how you meant the words but that's hardly my fault when they can have more than one meaning but at least I've gone by your actual words, as opposed to you and other getting the gist of what I've said but not my actually words.
Apart from anything else, you haven't even shown it not to be true about Fallon and the ride on Rizeena. Probably due to once again getting the gist of what I said and not the actual words, which were "Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" so please feel free to prove any of that wrong. The source of the story termed it as "...while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot" to which you replied rather patronisingly (a bit like your "Dearie me" comment too)
"Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead
and once again making a massive assumption as who said other rides tempted him to Ascot? What if he was due to go there for a Godolphin runner that got pulled out late and because of that Brittain turned to Peslier? Or any other reason you aren't "all knowing" about or "in the know" so it's a pity that in trying to be a clever d1ck you didn't consider any of that eh? Er.
I love your hypocrisy and double standards too when a while ago I pointed out the winners had dried up for Murphy and you condemned me for making that judgement 4 days after losing his claim (even though I was on about his previous 100 or so rides) and yet here you are a few more days on going on about the 3 winners in a week he's had since losing his claim as if that confirms anything. Then add in you number crunching manipulation about 3 winner every week, well he hasn't had 3 winners every week since losing his claim so that's a moot point anyway....Add to that again that one of those winners was against fellow apprentices which won't be the case for much longer either.
I also love being told "Symptomatic of your urge to always be right" and "rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day" by someone who is guilty of both and that hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness can only be laughed at really.
Oh and it occurs to me that you have made yet another massive assumption when you state:
It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him.
because I've said no such thing (why do I tend to type these same words a lot with you and easygold, do you both struggle with basic English or something?) and all I said was with his claim he has something extra to offer trainers that he won't when he loses it, so how that gets processed in your head as me supposedly saying "...it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him" is beyond me but I'm sure it must somehow makes sense within your head anyway.
I now know you actually do have trouble retaining information (are you and easygold related by any chance?) because I yet again am having to correct you over the 50 winners for Fallon mark even though I did it at the time and have done so several times since when you still fail to take in what I was saying. Print it off if you are struggling and then you can refer to it before making the same mistake all over again. So anyway, once more here is exactly what I said on him reaching 50 winners last season. When that happened I flagged it up and said from the way so many were writing him off and saying he was gone at the game, I was surprised to see he had even hit 50 as from the way some were going on you would have thought he was in single figures....Now read that back a few times or maybe get someone else to explain it to you instead eh?...Although preferably not easygold!
Once more I'm also having to repeat a counter to other points you've made about Fallon and of course his numbers had dropped considering the jobs he previously had and the fact when he came back he went all out for the jockey title but could only get 3rd and realised that wasn't an option any more. I told you that the last time you brought up that meaningless point and now I've just told you again. When he finished 3rd in the jockey table he had 933 rides and last season only had 538 and shock horror his number of winners was down on that, who'd have thought it eh?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that now Hanagan and SDS are no longer chasing the title either that their winners totals have gone down too and I'm really going to go wild now and push the boat out and suggest the same applies to Dettori also, now he's not been going all over the country chasing winners in an attempt to win the title too.
Yes Fallon's been getting on better horses this year but better still doesn't mean best so by merely getting on better quality doesn't have to mean more winners and once again SDS and Hanagan have shown that too. It can also mean instead of going to a meeting to ride 6 lower grade horses where 1 or 2 might have a chance of winning, they go to another course for say 3-4 rides instead where the horses might be better quality but so is the opposition and they can be far more competitive races too.
As for your laughably ridiculous comment about opinions are measured by profit and loss I'm embarrassed for you here as even if I thought Fallon was the best jockey riding today, what's that got to do with my profit and loss?
Oh and just to point out an example of what I've been alluding to regarding Oisin Murphy, he was beaten by a neck in first at Chester by a 5lb claimer that had Murphy been able to claim 3lbs probably would have seen him win or if the other jockey was riding off levels the same as Murphy.
ima I really can't be bothered with this now. The Nargys stuff is pure make believe on your part.
As far as I'm concerned 95% of the stuff you come out with on this site is absolute bunkum so let's just leave it at that.
As far as I'm concerned 95% of the stuff you come out with on this site is absolute bunkum so let's just leave it at that.
Forgot to add that you seem to have got a bit mixed up between Murphy and Kingscote at Chester though no doubt you'll now try to argue that it was actually Murphy riding it.
Ffs get a fook ing life, Sat great racing and u writing a book u are nob of the highest order, fook ing nob.........
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Rode out his claim the other day and was looking a shoo in for the apprentices title a while back but I can even see him losing that now too once the better rides dry up and the 5lb and 3lb claimers take the ones he might have been on before.
This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that.
Never, ever let anyone say ima didn't know his stuff. I mean, what the hell was Balding doing letting him ride out that claim so quickly? Totally ruined Murphy's career.
Rode out his claim the other day and was looking a shoo in for the apprentices title a while back but I can even see him losing that now too once the better rides dry up and the 5lb and 3lb claimers take the ones he might have been on before.
This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that.
Never, ever let anyone say ima didn't know his stuff. I mean, what the hell was Balding doing letting him ride out that claim so quickly? Totally ruined Murphy's career.
Hindsight is the only exact science - but foresight is a better one. If only we had it more often. You could never factor in the intelligence aligned with common sense, maturity and experience he has added to his repertoire. Of all of them he I believe has the best hope for staying the course and making even more of a success. Everyone loves to knock a Champ, but he's a real one for the future I believe.
Good luck to him.
Good luck to him.
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