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12 May 14
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Supreme jock...i had the 2nd and 3rd
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Hughsey looked all over the winner at the distance.....
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a future champ in the making given the right amo !
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But what happens when he loses his claim and can't offer a trainer anything that a more experienced jockey can't or the next batch of claimers can? He clearly has talent but so have 101 top notch apprentices in the past who didn't go on due to the reasons above and/or didn't get the right job once their claim had gone.
You only have to look within his own stable to see how Buick and Probert's careers have gone different ways since both shared the Apprentice Jockey title and Thomas Brown is in the Balding yard too and is every bit as good if not better than Oisin Murphy, so there will be competition from all three of them for the Balding rides, as well as certain owners preferring their own jockeys from the yard's runners too. |
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Probert is still just as good as Buick though. but you're right about Oisin, he could struggle once his claim as gone, I honestly feel a lot of trainers only use him in the biggish races because of the claim, once that's gone like you say will they be eager to still book him?... I don't think they will, I think they'll go and get another top apprentice.
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think he will make it , his claim is like gold dust at the min imo
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ima_mazed66 14 May 14 19:21
But what happens when he loses his claim and can't offer a trainer anything that a more experienced jockey can't ------------------- HorseBurger1989 14 May 14 19:29 ............. but you're right about Oisin, he could struggle once his claim as gone, ------------------- He isn't Winning - merely because of his claim. He has Talent - But, more importantly .... Horses 'run for him'. |
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Ima...........I told you already, using other apprentice`s as a guide to this future Top Jock is lazy. And for you to use Thomas Brown as an opinion is terrible..............
Oisin Murphy..... has move a long way ahead Thomas Brown in the pecking order......... a long way ahead.......... he is one of the best apprentice I have seen in the last 10 years as I have said before. His judgement of pace is beautiful to watch......... that trip to Oz has certainly paid off in spades........... Your opinion is tame........ and this kid is doing it in front of your eyes......... and you still think 3lb will change things. Sure he is winning races off level weights. My god give me strength. |
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You tell them Onlooker
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he got a brain and his timing impeccable to say the least ! been keeping an eye out for this kid for some time , like i said his claim worth its weight in gold as he is better than some off the seasoned jocks , always one or two outstanding lads comming through the ranks !
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definite future champion
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I agree HorseBurger1989 that Probert is as good as Buick but that was the point I was making about if they do or don't get the right job later on. Balding doesn't seem to have as many decent horses as Gosden though.
No of course onlooker, he clearly isn't riding winners just because of his 3lb claim but it's the value of that 3lb claim that has trainers putting him on their horses, as opposed to a fully fledged and more experienced jockey because what Murphy loses out on there, is offset by the advantage of the 3lb claim. My point though is how will he get on once the 3lb claim is gone and so he doesn't offer a trainer the experience of a fully fledged jockey nor the weight concession of the next batch of apprentices? Will he struggle for rides and winners then? No easygold, using past crack apprentices as a guide to how Murphy MIGHT (and that's all I said might) struggle for rides and winners is common sense and history repeats itself. Had we been having this same talk about say Saleem Golan and I used past apprentices who didn't kick on once they lost their claim, some people would have been saying about him that you can't use past apprentices situations blah blah blah. One of the best apprentices I've ever seen and who many though would be a future Champion Jockey is Daryll Holland, yet his career reached nowhere near the heights of say Dettori because he didn't get the right job or if he had been #1 jockey to Barry Hills after riding out his claim instead of Michael then I'm sure he would have been far more successful than he ended up being. Just for the record, Thomas Brown rode more winners than Oisin Murphy last season but I'm a little bit embarrassed here for you easygold if you are saying Murphy had ridden winners off level weight considering if his horse was meant to carry 9-3 but his 3lb claim brings it down to 9 stone like the rest of the field, then that really isn't level weight is it, as the 3lb will have made the difference if say it was a photo finish? If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between.....And then you say my opinion is "tame" eh? |
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Listed races, Ima now do you follow.
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ima_mazed66
This kid will NOT 'struggle' for rides - "when he loses his claim." - and he is better than MANY "experienced fully fledged jockey," - NOW, and by far, in many instances. He will walk into a top job. He 'rode them to sleep' - when he spent a few weeks in Australia, earlier this year, aswell .... - and that takes some doing against THEIR [b]experienced full jockeys[b] - on their turning, and often idiosyncratic, tight tracks - of which only Flemington has a straight Sprint track, even. |
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It`s not all about winners............ sure if that was the case last season he would have lost his claim before now. But know he races against the big boys a lot more than any other apprentice will and that will certainly help his career.
Look if you think T.Brown is as good or better than Murphy so be it......... but in my opinion I have no doubt that Murphy will have a better career that is for sure. |
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im looking at young jockeys/jockeys for 40 yr..to my eye hes as good as ive seen since mj kinane/jp murtagh were apprentices.he will walk into a top job.of that there is no doubt.horses run for him.hes supremely well balanced.hes a great judge of pace.hes brave.he has no weight problems. the future for oisin is bright barring injury.
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He's got a top job. At the Stokell barn.
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The Aussies absolutely loved the guy, of course back here all we get is the indifference, the "you'll never see him once his claims gone" brigade .. most of whom have probably done their nuts laying one of his
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I have never once laid one of his though hulk and still think he might struggle once the claim as gone. Ima is right when he gives Probert as an example, he is a good jockey but struggles for the better rides. Murphy is good but he's not much better than a Probert or a Buick and neither of those have set the world alight since losing the claim.
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easygold
Listed races, Ima now do you follow. What, you mean like do I follow when I said "If on the other hand you are saying he has ridden winners off levels where he's not been able to claim his 3lb then they will have been few and far between" and funny enough if Oisin Murphy has ridden any Listed winners off levels against fully fledged jockeys, then they will have been er "few and far between" so do you follow now easygold, seeing as I'm having to repeat what I had already said? Nobody is saying he won't ride any winners even after he loses his claim and has to ride off levels full time against more experienced jockeys or against claimers who can offer trainers a weight concession that he no longer can, so if he has ridden any winners off levels now then fine but he would rarely be put up on mounts in races where he can't claim, so I'd be very surprised if those Listed race winners he has had amounts to more than one or two. And yes I do think Thomas Brown is every bit as good as Oisin Murphy (who I actually rate) as is Jason Hart and Robert Tart and the very same thing applies to them too once they lose their claims. I've seen plenty of top notch apprentices over the years whose careers for various reasons didn't end up panning out as well as might have been expected, jockeys like Jimmy Bleasdale, Billy Newnes, Gary Carter, Tyrone Williams, Simon Whitworth, Daryll Holland, Jason Weaver, Gary Bardwell, Stephen Davies, Royston French, Lee Newman and Saleem Golam all won the Champion Apprentice title but how many of them can you say really kicked on and got a top job and made the top 10 or so jockeys riding and rode plenty of Gr1 and classic winners? Saleem Golam and David Probert both shared the title with Haykey Turner and William Buick respectively but because Turner and Buick got supported by certain trainers their careers kicked on, yet now Hyaley's has taken a knock since ending her some of her associations and even past Champion Apprentices like Chris Catlin and Robert Winston haven't found things plain sailing either. Look how long it took Paul Hanagan to really hit the big time considering he won the Apprentice Title as far back as 2002. |
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Surely when he got the ''retainer'' at Richard Faheys ?....
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Took the decision to block ima mazed ages ago......and I don't regret it either.....by the replies you can guess roughly what he is saying......and as usual its a whole load of nonsense.....
Basically what the gobber is here for is an argument......he is stuck in every single fallon thread......and if ye were saying Oisin Murphy was no good.....he'd be saying he was.....take my advice.....don't go there..... |
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It will take time ofr perhaps a lucky break for Murphy to get into the top 5 but I believe that he will. Some of his recent efforts have been barely believable-horses travelling worse than several opponents at the furlong pole but just seem to find something else in the last 100 yards. Sweet Martoni last night was yet another example.
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Hope Oisin gets a top job. He deserves to.
But thats not guaranteed. Why, for example did Nicholls stick with Daryl Jacob for so long? Nicholls must have rated him, so its all about personal opinion. I like David Probert but he is not in Buicks class imo. |
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Brown, Hart, Tart Vs Murphy............... easy to answer who will make it at the top level
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He is riding very well at the moment and horses do seem to run for him.
He is in the good books and attracting top comments from most in the know. Lets see what happens when he dare ride one bad race and the vultures on here who lose there £2 get there claws in. |
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Na, all top jockeys make errors......... the key is to make less than the rest......... the likes of Moore, Callan, Levey, O.Murphy De Sousa, Hayes fits that comment
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Last 100 runners (12 Winners, -18.87 Loss)
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You only have to look within his own stable to see how Buick and Probert's careers have gone different ways since both shared the Apprentice Jockey title and Thomas Brown is in the Balding yard too and is every bit as good if not better than Oisin Murphy, so there will be competition from all three of them for the Balding rides, as well as certain owners preferring their own jockeys from the yard's runners too.
I think you'll find there won't be much competition from Thomas Brown. A quick glance at his recent mounts may give you a clue as to why. Oh and Brown rode more winners than Murphy last season because the latter hadn't even had his first ride in public by this time last year. |
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Rode out his claim the other day and was looking a shoo in for the apprentices title a while back but I can even see him losing that now too once the better rides dry up and the 5lb and 3lb claimers take the ones he might have been on before.
This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that. |
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You FEAR???????
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murphy was incredible value for 7 and 5, the numbers have tailed off quite a bit since he's been down to 3 and now off levels
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If you need to post what you have above easygold and can't work out what I am saying them maybe you don't quite know as much about the sport as you think.
Cam Hardie has just ridden another nice winner that would have maybe seen Oisin Murphy as the claiming name at the top of the list if he was still claiming. He's ridden his claim out to quickly and can now not offer any weight concession the other apprentices can, nor can he offer the experience of the other fully fledged jockeys he is now expected to compete with for rides and so he's at a very difficult stage of his career right now. If an owner wanted a jockey for a Gr1 and Ryan Moore and Oisin Murphy were both available then how do you reckon they are going to go for? Clive Brittain has recently been looking for a jockey for Rizeena in the Falmouth at Newmarket once realising her previous jockeys Ryan Moore, Richard Hughes and James Doyle weren't available for various reasons such as being claimed for other rivals in the race or riding elsewhere. Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead so they have settled for Olivier Peslier and I very much doubt Oisin Murphy was even remotely considered for the mount and understandably so at this early part of his career. Oh and in case you say he had a Derby mount, yes he did but the horse's price reflected that too. Thank you wondersobright and nice to see you can still get some common sense and understanding on here every now and again. |
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Go away for a bit and return to find ima still using the same old baffling logic.
If Ryan Moore and just about anyone was available for a ride in a Group 1 who is the owner most likely to go for? Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead  |
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That paragraph u wrote earlier, to me or I maybe mistaken read NEGATIVE ............ ffs make ur mind-up
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Seriously, ur examples are so tame.............. If Moore wasn`t available they wudn`t pick O.Murphy??????? fookin hell No one is saying that......... U are the most frustrating person involved in racing I have ever come across, worst than Hughes not trying for a place
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