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By:
easygold
When: 11 Jul 14 17:26
Want?? What u write.
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 11 Jul 14 17:36
If "any guy knows, when they lose the claim, trainer, blah,blah" then why have you been arguing against that and questioning it when I made that exact point about Oisin Murphy ages ago? Do you even realise what you are arguing any more?

I can assure you too that nothing is more boring for me than me have to correct you on something you claim I have said when I haven't and then have to repeat for you yet again what I actually did say just because of your inability to get it right the first dozen or so times I've said it.

And no that's not all you said when you are now claiming Murphy "is the next super kid" and what you claimed was he was a certain future Champion Jockey which is a quite specific claim and I merely pointed out a few reasons why that might (key word there) not be the case. Reasons that you finally seem to be coming around to and accepting judging by some of your more recent posts.
By:
easygold
When: 11 Jul 14 17:51
Accepting......... u don`t have to point anything out for me if Murphy does not make it...... that is a gimme, but u feel u have to write paragraphs about stuff that guy`s like myself know what can happen when things don`t work out for jockey`s.

But this kid is different, I`m sure of it......... I know I`m saying a bold statement but that`s what I think....... end of
By:
Marcce
When: 12 Jul 14 10:46
Dearie me ima. You accuse others of making assumptions and then launch into a load yourself. You accuse others of taking written words literally and then do the same yourself.

This was what I responded to

I seem to remember one time saying that I know he liked such and such a horse (because I read in in an article in the public domain then too) and you coming back accusing me of trying to make out I was in the know then,

I clearly wasn't referring to what I had written on this thread which clearly does not accuse you of making out you were in the know. "Allknowing" in that case refers to you stating something as if you believed it to be fact wherever you had read it or heard it.

As for Murphy I said earlier in this thread that at this stage he just needs to continue to keep getting on the kind of rides he's been getting so far and still getting the winners from them. He's had 3 this week I believe and 3 a week over the course of a season will take a jockey to over 100 winners. A jockey riding 100 winners a season will inevitably come into the frame for rides on better horses in listed and group races. It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him. Time will tell on that part. Yes jockeys have struggled previously when they've ridden out their claim. At the same time many others have continued to flourish without it. I, and many others, expect that to be the case with Murphy.

Symptomatic of your urge to always be right, you once again set the bar incredibly low for Fallon. Yes he's won some decent races this season but it's about more than winning the odd decent race. I like the way you tell me that there's different ways of judging a jockey when I've been pointing that out to you since your hilarious "he's hit 50 winners" post of last season.

Quite simply, my own eyes told me he was nowhere near the jockey he was. That comes down to opinion at the end of the day but the number of winners he was getting dropped off and just as importantly his strike rate diminished from 18% and higher during his pomp to around 12%. Last year you blamed it on the quality of rides he was getting. This year even you accept he's been getting on better horses and there has been no real improvement in the strike rate. I believe the Whitley ratings, which he always tended to figure quite highly in, have shown him as being in decline. It's been noticeable in the past week that Bin Suroor has gone for other jockeys in races where Fallon has also had rides. Maybe Godolphin have realised it as well though of course that's merely an assumption on my part. What I was seeing with my eyes has been backed up with the figures over the same period.

Ultimately though, rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day, any opinion you have about racing is measured by the profit and loss you make based on those opinions. Let's put it this way. I've still been happy to lay Fallon on horses I wouldn't have been keen to lay a few years back.
By:
ima_mazed66
When: 12 Jul 14 15:42
Yes easygold, accepting what I said about jockeys once they lose their claim and now you are trying to kid yourself and everyone else (and failing miserably too) that you knew all along that some apprentices can find it hard in the early stages when having to ride off levels.

I mentioned the most recent post about "all knowing" Marcce as I thought it was a given that you had previously accused me of trying to suggest I was in the know when I read in Fallon's Weekender column that he liked a horse called Nargys and so I said on here I know he thinks a bit of the horse or words to that effect (because I read them in his column) yet you accused me of trying to make out I was in the know then when I did no such thing and quite happily said I'd read it in his column.

That's why I only referred this time to your latest "all knowing" comment and I don't know about you but to me that phrase means knowing what is going on/being in the know. You might think I have taken differently your interpretation of how you meant the words but that's hardly my fault when they can have more than one meaning but at least I've gone by your actual words, as opposed to you and other getting the gist of what I've said but not my actually words.

Apart from anything else, you haven't even shown it not to be true about Fallon and the ride on Rizeena. Probably due to once again getting the gist of what I said and not the actual words, which were "Kieren Fallon has ridden a fair amount for Brittain this season and was in the frame but he goes to Ascot instead" so please feel free to prove any of that wrong. The source of the story termed it as "...while Kieren Fallon, who was linked with the ride on Tuesday, heads to Ascot" to which you replied rather patronisingly (a bit like your "Dearie me" comment too)

"Fallon in the frame for Rizeena? So which one of the rides in a 9 grand maiden and three 9 grand handicaps at Ascot tempted him there ahead of one with a decent chance in a 113 grand Group 1 at Newmarket then which forced them to "settle" for Peslier instead Laugh

and once again making a massive assumption as who said other rides tempted him to Ascot? What if he was due to go there for a Godolphin runner that got pulled out late and because of that Brittain turned to Peslier? Or any other reason you aren't "all knowing" about or "in the know" so it's a pity that in trying to be a clever d1ck you didn't consider any of that eh? Er. Laugh

I love your hypocrisy and double standards too when a while ago I pointed out the winners had dried up for Murphy and you condemned me for making that judgement 4 days after losing his claim (even though I was on about his previous 100 or so rides) and yet here you are a few more days on going on about the 3 winners in a week he's had since losing his claim as if that confirms anything. Then add in you number crunching manipulation about 3 winner every week, well he hasn't had 3 winners every week since losing his claim so that's a moot point anyway....Add to that again that one of those winners was against fellow apprentices which won't be the case for much longer either.

I also love being told "Symptomatic of your urge to always be right" and "rather than spending time on here every day writing 10,000 words a day" by someone who is guilty of both and that hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness can only be laughed at really. Laugh

Oh and it occurs to me that you have made yet another massive assumption when you state:

It occurs to me that it's a massive assumption on your part that it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him.

because I've said no such thing (why do I tend to type these same words a lot with you and easygold, do you both struggle with basic English or something?) and all I said was with his claim he has something extra to offer trainers that he won't when he loses it, so how that gets processed in your head as me supposedly saying "...it's just been his claim that has led to trainers going for him" is beyond me but I'm sure it must somehow makes sense within your head anyway.

I now know you actually do have trouble retaining information (are you and easygold related by any chance?) because I yet again am having to correct you over the 50 winners for Fallon mark even though I did it at the time and have done so several times since when you still fail to take in what I was saying. Print it off if you are struggling and then you can refer to it before making the same mistake all over again. So anyway, once more here is exactly what I said on him reaching 50 winners last season. When that happened I flagged it up and said from the way so many were writing him off and saying he was gone at the game, I was surprised to see he had even hit 50 as from the way some were going on you would have thought he was in single figures....Now read that back a few times or maybe get someone else to explain it to you instead eh?...Although preferably not easygold! Happy

Once more I'm also having to repeat a counter to other points you've made about Fallon and of course his numbers had dropped considering the jobs he previously had and the fact when he came back he went all out for the jockey title but could only get 3rd and realised that wasn't an option any more. I told you that the last time you brought up that meaningless point and now I've just told you again. When he finished 3rd in the jockey table he had 933 rides and last season only had 538 and shock horror his number of winners was down on that, who'd have thought it eh?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that now Hanagan and SDS are no longer chasing the title either that their winners totals have gone down too and I'm really going to go wild now and push the boat out and suggest the same applies to Dettori also, now he's not been going all over the country chasing winners in an attempt to win the title too.

Yes Fallon's been getting on better horses this year but better still doesn't mean best so by merely getting on better quality doesn't have to mean more winners and once again SDS and Hanagan have shown that too. It can also mean instead of going to a meeting to ride 6 lower grade horses where 1 or 2 might have a chance of winning, they go to another course for say 3-4 rides instead where the horses might be better quality but so is the opposition and they can be far more competitive races too.

As for your laughably ridiculous comment about opinions are measured by profit and loss I'm embarrassed for you here as even if I thought Fallon was the best jockey riding today, what's that got to do with my profit and loss?

Oh and just to point out an example of what I've been alluding to regarding Oisin Murphy, he was beaten by a neck in first at Chester by a 5lb claimer that had Murphy been able to claim 3lbs probably would have seen him win or if the other jockey was riding off levels the same as Murphy.
By:
Marcce
When: 12 Jul 14 16:11
ima I really can't be bothered with this now. The Nargys stuff is pure make believe on your part.

As far as I'm concerned 95% of the stuff you come out with on this site is absolute bunkum so let's just leave it at that.
By:
Marcce
When: 12 Jul 14 16:20
Forgot to add that you seem to have got a bit mixed up between Murphy and Kingscote at Chester though no doubt you'll now try to argue that it was actually Murphy riding it.
By:
easygold
When: 12 Jul 14 16:31
Ffs get a fook ing life, Sat great racing and u writing a book u are nob of the highest order, fook ing nob.........
By:
Marcce
When: 17 Oct 19 13:43
09 Jul 14 00:29Joined: 12 Oct 09 | Topic/replies: 10,928 | Blogger: ima_mazed66's blog
Rode out his claim the other day and was looking a shoo in for the apprentices title a while back but I can even see him losing that now too once the better rides dry up and the 5lb and 3lb claimers take the ones he might have been on before.

This season won't be that crucial anyway as he will still get some favourable carry over during it but next season will be crunch time when riding off levels against the big boys from the start of the season and I fear for him a little now as he seems a nice kid but he rode that claim out far too quickly for his own good and I'm surprised Andrew Balding didn't do a bit more to prevent that.


Never, ever let anyone say ima didn't know his stuff. I mean, what the hell was Balding doing letting him ride out that claim so quickly? Totally ruined Murphy's career.
By:
Willie Wumpkins
When: 17 Oct 19 15:17
Hindsight is the only exact science - but foresight is a better one. If only we had it more often. You could never factor in the intelligence aligned with common sense, maturity and experience he has added to his repertoire. Of all of them he I believe has the best hope for staying the course and making even more of a success. Everyone loves to knock a Champ, but he's a real one for the future I believe.
Good luck to him.
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