Triumph Hurdle - big price, what am I missing?

Hoping for Pearl Castle

got the word for guitar pete

Ronaldinho finishing so close to Pearl Catle is enough to put me off. I know it was a steadily run affair but it looks quite weak form compared to some of the others in the race. Just my opinion. Good luck though.

ground maybe?

been touted as needing cut and having a french race target later in season, they said it might not go to chelt so might depend on how dry it has got and what watering takes place tonight & ahead of friday

if it ran i'd think you would have an easy trade out, the colours alone will have plenty of the irish having a saver on it

I backed guitar pete when it took care of the two hyped horses last time out. I must admit he jumped well and looked the winner a long way out. However I think he is priced just about right. So wont be backing him unless he drifts.

ground a big worry out of the best heavy ground sire whirly , the 3rd in that race was beaten today i backed it gergano 8th , i had two big bankers at this meeting the new one and royal irish hussar for this

Thanks Whirly. Been keeping an eye on Pearl Castle. Fingers crossed

has not won on good it was good to yeilding or in our terms g/soft  they go on good but better with plenty cut , good luck any how buddy

Will it deffo run whirly?

Here's a quote from Willie after lto:

It was a very good performance. I wasn't happy with his jumping over the first few but other than that he was impressive - when he needed the jumps he got them. He looks to be improving all the time.

I'll have to talk to the owner and see if he travels (to Cheltenham) or we keep him at home. I would like a wet Cheltenham for him, he wouldn't want it to dry and if it did he wouldn't go.

don't think pear castle is anywere near good enough to win this . just my opinion, need a horse that stays really well in this race . they stepped pearly castle up in trip after it won over 1m 2f to a 1m4f race it was last off 7 stamina doupt's perhaps on the stiff track and always a furious gallop in this race ?

I'll be cheering on hussar too. Managed to sneak 50 on with hills at 25-1 a.p. bad luck with the new one, i was on mtoy with a saver on jetzi, not a penny on the forecast!

I better head to chelts and turn the sprinklers on!

Anybody know if hills are nrnb? If they are I may put some more on. I agree with you Elise, should be able to trade out.

if it wins u cd always get the good lady around the garden for a barbie call it a whirly gig !

Need to find out if its going to run, then I can start dancing, lol.

On a different subject what are your thoughts on he Ryanair? Think I'm going to be up a while tonight studying the form at least until the rage from birminghams last minute equaliser fades. Cost me a big payout on my acca and I'm a villa fan! Hey ho.

Dynaste in the Ryanair for me, but think Boston Bob run well at a big price. Should have won last year

Tell me about it, I backed it. Lol.

used to date a girlie from brummie many moons ago solie hol better class off nic-kers up that neck off wds lol will have a look m8 really need good ground horses m8 r i hussar won its maiden race by 12 len on good over 1m 6f so stays vey well , 2nd horse train robber [weld trained ] won its maiden by 7 next time out franking the form , don.t do hold up horses at this track m8 never do well want to be up with the van or tracking leaders not held up!

dynaste for me seams too thrive on good going !

just to point out Pearl Castle did not fail in his only start at 12 furlongs due to lack of stamina

he completely failed to settle because the gallop was too slow, pulled too hard and gave himself no chance of staying

I'm on at 25s so fingers crossed for Friday - good ground and a strong gallop

The best horses in the race all have something to prove in terms of well being, of them menorah has to be the pick if Hobbs has got him firing again.

Of the in form horses, at the prices I'm going to have to go with hidden cyclone. Looking at its hurdling and novice days, it's run some very decent horses close. Looks like it had a bad spell and didn't really train on but now seems to be coming back to the boil. Handles the track and will enjoy the ground. Decent ew price. 10-1. Menorah a shade shorter.

Mmmmmmmm, G.Pete won`t get up the hill that`s a gimme, Pearl Castle is fine @25/1 but may be fighting for a place only. I like Broughton on @14/1 with Ladbrokes hope they don`t water too much though......

keys to Ryan Air:

course winner
Grade 1 winner
won at 2 miles 5 furlongs and possibly further
not trained in Ireland
top 3 in betting

oh and officially rated 160+

I'm on Dynaste ew at 8s and only crossing fingers

Judo is correct regards Pearl Castle, he was a bit of a boy, he had issues going down and refused to go in the stalls that summer too.

Who knows if he's good enough, the better race and gallop will be a plus, stamina isn't a negative for me, too soft ground would be.

Sorry Whirly ur punt has a lot to find on the form in my opinion, those horses he has beaten are a poor bunch. My advice would be to get out of the bet I would be very surprised if good enough. The odds on Broughton are diminishing but I`m expecting a big run and will be disappointed if not involved.

I would have thought they would water quite a bit as no forecast rain?

I thought gerdago ran ok considering it was held up a long way back today with a big weight.

they said 'only watering to maintain'

hopefully not too much

boom


oh and officially rated 160+

I'm on Dynaste ew at 8s and only crossing fingers

Ruby riding and 10s with Billy's now.........

Well done judorick, I had the 2nd and the forecast. Had a cracking day with Tarquin du seuile and more of that. 3 winners would have been greedy.

I have noticed abbyssial's price has come down...........and yes ruby is on it, go on you good thing! Or royal Irish hussar I'll be chuffed either way.

Going to have another look at the form tonight.......maybe have a couple of savers.

Yes brother mouzone, just wait and see it tumble all morning tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

gl if you hold onto the bet whirly, it appeared to ride a little slower on the new course so who knows, at least you have some value?

Broughton looked dominant and enthusiastic right from the off last time out when he beat a fairly  highly tried Irish Horse....but luck always needed in this race  GL

Rutherglen/Royal Irish Hussar: dutched for me


GL

love this race , been very  lucky for me , horses don't wanna lie too far off the pace in this one ,and always a furious pace , want something that stay's a bit further , royal irish hussar been backing it for weeks ground came perfect for it , gonna do a wee f/c will make a sel soon and post! but my banker tomoz

It's a tricky race, just lucky to have got on a couple at big prices. I've been studying the form tonight to look for a couple of cover bets. Here's where I am at.

I think calipto deserves to be fav, but is not getting much of a mention on here. The one I think is too short is broughton. The going is an unknown for tiger roll. I think guitar pete's form has hit it's level now and something less exposed will improve past it. If plinth was proven on the going I could be tempted, but I'm more concerned about Henderson's 2nd string Kentucky Hyden. There are other dangers I have not mentioned, but at the prices I'm not prepared to back them.

So I'll put enough on calipto to get my stakes back on hussar and abbyssial and have a small ew on Kentucky Hayden. Then hope one of the big priced ones go in and pocket a nice win.

Let me know your thoughts.

Could turn into a costly race, lol.

Evening big mart. What a day today, still buzzing!

a fancy broughton to be 2nd  3rd royal irish hussar looks a banker if it repreduces his last run at this track ,

Good evening Whirly. I was very sad with what happened to you at Warwick especially since Id had a good bet on you that day.

good i had a few winners , but i was absulutly seething on a 50 quid f/c i put on green salt to beat bobbing along 5.25 hex how the feck it got beat i will never know , bob bob bobbing along looked in big trouble 2 out and a was shouting keep 2nd place , green salt was cruising in front ! no wander my hair is falling out ,   

the fred winter is more like the old triumph hurdle now imo,this is more like a juvenile champion hurdle.
fancied calipto for a while for this,but 4-1 looks a bit skinny.

ground put me off it knot in wood , stable horses mmm not for me m8
on the gold cup what u like ? fancy     LAST INSTALMENT

dont think ground will be a problem mart,was goodish when calipto won at newbury.(sure to throw a bit of water on as well)
no strong thoughts for the gold cup.

I'm on last instalment had a bet ap when he won last time out. Odds are pretty much the same now though. Going to have a good look through the form of the gold cup in a bit.

More to the point......Briar hill is too short for me! Kings palace ew has got to be a good bet if you can shop around for the price. Just deciding between captain cutter and deputy dan for the other ew punt to go with it.

yep u are right knot in wood sire prefered better grounf by some way , un usual for a french bred sire califit loved better ground . just the stables runners ?
    2000 TO DATE    WINNERS-RUNNERS    WINS    RUNS    %    2ND    3RD    £ PRIZE
Worldwide G1     0-2  0%     0     2         0     0     0
Euro Stakes     1-3  33%     2     9     22     0     2     59,735

    1988 TO DATE    WINNERS-RUNNERS    WINS    RUNS    %    2ND    3RD    £ PRIZE
Flat     0-2  0%     0     3         0     0     0
All-weather     0-1  0%     0     4         1     0     0
Jumps     10-24  42%     15     91     16     15     13     78,572
7-9f     0-2  0%     0     6         1     0     0
10-11f     0-1  0%     0     1         0     0     0
Heavy         1     11     9     1     3     6,498
Soft         0     16         4     2     0
Gd-sft         5     20     25     1     4     36,323
Good         5     33     15     6     4     24,267
Gd-fm         4     13     31     3     0     11,485

Statistics are for GB and Ireland unless otherwise stated

as u can see sire won more races on good than any other going interesting migh chase home mine but if anything gets to with in 5 len off royal irish hussar at this track and going be surprised , ,

oops i men.t the sires prodgeny

best of luck tomorrow mart,early start in the morning so better hit the sack.

night buddy , big celibrations if hendersons horse prevales , am all over       twisters in the 5.15 m8 heard a good word

Rutherglen/Royal Irish Hussar: dutched for me

have those two plus broughton & plinth against the field, break even lindenhurst rest losers

Gone for Broughton but plenty of dangers including the  Filly, Adriana des mottes who looks a genuine sort, she may stay out of trouble by leading, always a lottery though gl

Interestingly Ruby put up a pound overweight on Adriana des mottes lto, it could be that the
reluctance to have the Filly carry overweight has determined  who rides what in this Race?
would of course be shorter if he was riding .