Annie Power runs in world hurdle

need to borrow a score mt?

Cheers for the offer chav but I'm good.

double top + treble 3 + the bull = 99


there you go

give me it back when you win

take more water with it

if anyone else trained annie power she would be heading for the champion

I'm surprised Richi Rich has accepted what the trainer suggests - I'm sure he wanted to go for the main event

if i knew his address id sent him a begging letter........he seems very gullible

Well he has lots of money; although Mullins has likely excelled himself in obtaining a good percentage of it

big bucks will have it for breakfast,
hopefully price on big bucks drifts out to 4 free money ,sell your house and put the money on big bucks,yeee haar

i'm with you flush, AP at 2/1 considering she hasnt proved she stays is poor value.

what was the injury problem with Big Bucks ? 

remind me why it was off for so long ...

I love Big Bucks more than any other horse ever - but Annie Power will have him on toast this year.

I have backed BB every race bar his last since he went back hurdling but have backed Annie this year but its not a foregone conclusion. Only PFN had Kauto and the tank I reckon BB would have won a couple of GCs.

its a good name for a horse.annie power=ANY POWER,we will see very soon.the greatest horse that ever lived.

While I hope she returns safe and sound I also hope she runs a shocker. Richi Rich has been conned by Mullins and Walsh.

Big bucks is not the horse of old.
Hence why they may as we'll collect the winnings with Annie.

Plus bb has a shocking jockey up top.

I'm amazed people want to back Big Buck's at the price, it must be sentimentality.  The Cleeve Hill was a poor poor race this year and he has it all to do in my opinion.  At Fishers Cross was a big doubt for me until McCoy chose it over More Of That and Cheltenham is not really Celestial Halo or Reve De Sivola track.

Annie Power is a tough call and definitely no bet until the day (or at least till after the OLBG Mares) and hopefully there will be some offer prices, as 2/1 and shorter is horrible.  There are definitely easier races to find the winner of at this years festival; I''ll probably end up backing Zarkander e/w at 11/1!

Agree that Big Bucks might have won a couple of Gold Cups but maybe he had a back problem that the public are unaware of. I still think that Celestial halo will be in the first 3 and might still win.

MJK ^

Agree with all of that.

can see the bookies getting a result in this race,big doubts about the top four in the betting

.... yet Willie says if something happens to Quevega or Hurricane Fly, then Annie Power will divert to another race ie World Hurdle only third choice for him and the owner over a distance she is unproven.

Trained by anyone else and wouldn't be running in the World Hurdle

would get the mares allowance?

i love bb, but i dont back any horse @ chelt unless wlto.

A lot of races in ireland are run that you dont even know if the winner is any good.in the two mile races they nearly walk for a mile and a half and then sprint for the last half mile.at cheltenham they will be going from the start and one slight mistake and you lose 10 lengths.But you all know all this,but its a major point to factor into your opinions.but if you are backing a dodgy jumper remember cheltenham can ruin your selection with one bad jump.

By the way the latest rumor the go round the irish isles is one about tractors,the top of the range tractor is said to 100 horse power,but there is a new one in the pipeline and it goes something like this.100 horse power= one annie power in the scale of calculations ,and the next state of the art tractor will be lettered (A.P.1)

Brassneck I think that idea that gets spouted out ad nauseum by the 'experts' about every race run slowly over here is way off.

This was Ruby's decision , they give him too much power. It's a decision based on what's best for himself , very selfish. They won't win the champion this year now, hurricane fly wins nothing .

Very true Hushwing

I remember Pat saying CIC would be to inexperienced to run in the Derby, as he was riding Tenby

they never fell for it, and the Commander bolted up

The race is set up to be a real battle. I am on BB at large enough prices to warrant me losing my voice on the day. I just have one problem. Form an orderly queue ladies and gentlemen if you are about to become abusive but I wish someone else was in the saddle. STD will be going up against one of the best there has been around this track. Not only does he (Ruby) know his old mate BB like the back of his hand but he is on board a real top notcher it appears in Annie Power. I have tried and tried to find positives in STD but am at a loss to do so. Some of his recent efforts have been less than encouraging shall we say. Some of the thoughts that have gone through my head recently have worried me. I am sure some of you don't need me to be more enlightening on that point. Just to say I wish STD was not aboard. I apologise to all who rate him highly. It is all about opinions. PS. SAM! DON'T FORGET TO SAVE SOME FOR THE HILL !!!! Don't let the humpback get you at it early doors!!!!

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I am on big bucks and am more than happy with my bet. I and many of us are guessing AP will/wont stay but all this Mullins/Walsh agenda is ridiculous. There will be punters who will want the fly and annie power to get beat just because of the connections now. If AP wins the stayers it will not change my opinion that she should have ran in the champ hurdle, if it doesn't stay and the fly is well beat what will the owner think? Must be up there thinking he could have won it with AP?

Thanks Soba!! Henry's Electronics here I come!

My own thinking on this is........they think the Fly just can't get beat by Annie or any other and I will bet accordingly.

Ruby being on her in the world hdle was prob the main reason in their decision.
Should be a great race on Thursday with her taking on Big Bucks.
Hope the old champ comes out on top myself (had a small interest at 3s some time ago)
Go on old boy, show her the way home

Big Buck's at his best gave a good beating and 7lb to Voler La Vedette but at the age of 11 it is going to be a hell of a task to give 7lb to a much better filly in Annie Power. I'd love to see these 2 pull clear and Big Buck's get on top but for me Annie Power will be too good.

It will be a big task for Big Bucks after a long break and just one come back race but Annie Power has not yet beaten horses of his class so if I have a bet it will be Big Bucks to win and Celestial Halo e/w. Big Bucks won 4 World Hurdles and Celestial Halo was a very good second to Solwhit last year. Of all the races at the Festival, the previous results in the World Hurdle are the most reliable form on offer.

OMG just had my first look at the prices for world hurdle. Annie Power fav


Is it April 1st???????


Wtf.


Favourite ahahahahahahahahaha


As you may be able to tell i find it somewhat ammusing that Annie Power is fav.

If she places i faint in shock.

BANKER,gets the mare allowance,will go much shorter,remember dawn run, zarkova, treve.

Behave yourself young man.

Classic bookies fav, talk her up make her short price fav, get some numpties in the racing media to say bankrr, watch the mugs pile onto her at a short price, fill the satchel up with cash then laugh as Big Bucks and ithers destroy her.


Worst gav of the festival surely.

More  spanker than banker.

She wont win. Nio hope whatsoever.

Pulled  up likliest outcome, who knows she may shock me and nick 3rd????


Win jt -NOPE

big bucks will win , Holywell too place

Big bucks banker i think mart. I will be surprised if he gets beat. Great price on him as well with annie power a false favourite.

agree bucks dif gravy , in this case i don't think we will be saying lady's 1st !

tea u gonna do sick note or back at work chelt ?

I think im gonna have 1 more week off and enjoy cheltenham. Definitely back to work the following week.

what if u put a bet on and u win a few bob hol then back too graft lol

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Could do with a few weeks in the seychelles. That place is paradise on earth.. One monster lucky 15 will do it.

tea the last 16 bets ave placed in the bookies shop have been 2nd , am starting too think the shop is jinxed !

Holywell won't run in this a tidy place lay.

I backed Annie Power for the WH several weeks ago, I thought it was the obvious race for her (posted on here at the time) and think she's a good thing. I will not be laying off

no horse can give annie power 7 pound anywhere best jockey in the world upon her shes an absolute banker.

been placed at chelt every time its run at track tree

The fly is the pet of the yard,if annie run in the hurdle he would destroy the field,willie does not want annie  to spoil the flys last chance.annie is the greatest horse that was ever born,you are all blessed to be alive and to see her setting out in her career.she is likely to win 5 gold cups ,champion hurdles,king georges,and every race she runs in.We are on the treashold of a dream with Annie power and anyone who says annie will be beaten are just looking for notice and are attention seekers,or have never seen annie in action,this horse is better that arkle.Now just watch Annie Power do the talking.

I'd love to know why the likes of 'he says it like it is' Chapman and his ATR buddies haven't asked Walsh and Mullins during their ample interviews out straight is the decision not just about what's best for themselves rather than what they're trying to make everyone believe.

brassneck 05 Mar 14 00:36 Joined: 13 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 1,782 | Blogger: brassneck's blog
The fly is the pet of the yard,if annie run in the hurdle he would destroy the field,willie does not want annie  to spoil the flys last chance.annie is the greatest horse that was ever born,you are all blessed to be alive and to see her setting out in her career.she is likely to win 5 gold cups ,champion hurdles,king georges,and every race she runs in.We are on the treashold of a dream with Annie power and anyone who says annie will be beaten are just looking for notice and are attention seekers,or have never seen annie in action,this horse is better that arkle.Now just watch Annie Power do the talking.


Possibly the most ridiculous post in betfair history.

She has never ran over the trip and has yet to race against a proper horse.

Theres a horse called Big Bucks a true monster of a racehorse. Big Bucks isnt some talked up hype horse he is the real deal. They always find a horse to talk up and convince you that this horse can stop the champ, they never do.

Big Bucks looked to retain all of his ability on his comeback from injury, yes he emptied out towards the end and the jockey went easy on him understandably after coming back from such a long absence. If you think this horse is finished then think again. Big Bucks will laugh at Annie Power trust me.

Do you honestly think the connections are running Big Bucks purely for sentimental reasons? Not a chance they are coming because they know they can win.


"Anybody who says Annie Power will get beat is just an attention seeker"

Without doubt the stupidest and most misguided post on a forum whos history is littered with stupid misguided posts.

You will be crying when Big Bucks destroys annie powers hyped up reputation next week.

Think Ruby is of the opinion that Annie will destroy BB. And he should know.

Good grief... You do know that a jockeys public opinion is completely worthless dont you?

WE shall see Teabag next week.

you tell em baggy baby!

What happenned last time Ruby Walsh was so publically confident about a horse at cheltenham?

Champion Hurdle 2012

Ruby- nothing can stop Hurricane Fly

Result

1st-ROCK ON RUBY (paul nicholls)
3rd-HURRICANE FLY


Let me assure you Big Bucks is an altogether different proposition to Rock On Ruby



What Ruby Walsh says isnt worth listening to.

So 2012 was the last time Ruby tipped one up was it?

Ruby wouldnt tell his right hand what his left hand was doing. So ur not going to get too many nuggets told the press.
hth.

2012 was the last time ruby wouldnt hear of defeat.

He tips all tge timee.





You stated 5 mins ago tgat ruby said annie will destroy big bucks and that HE SHOULD NOW


5 minutes on and Rubys word is worthless


IM LOST FOR WORDS FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE

Big bucks is not the horse of old. That amount of tine off can't be good.

What im saying Teabag is, whatever Ruby tells the press is not always what he is thinking.

Those saying where Annie Power runs is to suit Ruby's selfishness and that he decided matters, that he has so much clout and such and such, do you know that for sure or is it just a massive assumption?

I'd personally have thought if he was more worried about himself he could have suggested Annie Power go elsewhere and then maybe put himself in like to ride Big Buck's instead.

Best win bet of the Cheltenham 4 days = Annie Power
Best lay bet of the Cheltenham 4 days = Sire De Grugy

Would have thought if AP is the beat win bet, the BB must be the bet lay bet?

I understand your reasoning Koi, but Sire is shorter in price

looks like the "S" is stuck on my keyboard reading that lol

A lot of people going to get burnt from this hype horse annie power.

I cant see how anybody could possibly see it as being a good bet.


Even if i was offered 201/ on the win market, i would not touch it.

Why have people been saying Ruby Walsh thinks Annie Power will beat Big Bucks. Just read this Ruby interview on eurosport website. I get the impression he is hopeful ap will stay(no more than hopeful). He gives the impression that he is devestated he cant ride big bucks imo. Reading between the lines i dont think Ruby believes Ap has any chance of beating the machine that is Big Bucks.


Irish trainer Willie Mullins revealed on Sunday that the in-form Annie Power will line up alongside Big Buck's in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle a week on Thursday.
The six-year-old mare has never raced over more than 2m5f but Walsh expects her to handle the trip confidently, after easily beating Zarkander on soft ground at Cheltenham in January.
"I think she will stay. Her pedigree is all stamina," said the jockey. "The further she goes, the more it'll suit her, but you can't really be certain until she goes and does it.
"She's never run over three miles, but things had to be considered and that's where we feel she has her best chance.
"Willie has asked my opinion and everything had to be weighed up and we all felt it is the right race for her.
"There are four or five outstanding horses in the Champion Hurdle and maybe two, possibly three, in the World Hurdle."
However, being able to stay the trip alone is not enough to beat festival favourite Big Buck's and few people know the Paul Nicholls-trained 11-year-old better than Walsh.
"He's a hell of a good horse and he'll be very hard to beat," he added.
"I've had ten months to come to terms that I wouldn't be riding him so I've put that out of my mind."

Ima like Nicholls before him Mullins relies heavily on what Ruby tells him. Not saying he's a nodding idiot but that's a fact. This situation is very similar to the Quevega one. If Big Bucks had've been trained by say Henderson I've no doubt Ruby would've persuaded Mullins to run Quevega in the World Hurdle.

'She's never run over 3 miles but we felt it is the right race'

'there are 4 or 5 outstanding horses in the champion, and maybe two or three in the world' ...ermmm there's only one in the mares Rooby

Win or lose, this isn't the best decision for the horse, imo

Theres only one outstanding horse in the world hurdle. Does anybody have any idea who the other outstanding horses are he is referring to?

RTE interviewer."if the race is run to suit both horses,and both turn to face the hill together,at what time will you know for certain annie can beat Big Bucks"Rubys answer"last april"

I think you will find that comment was a joke brass.

Day 1 decs, Annie Power still in the Champion Hurdle (12 declared) and the Mares' Hurdle (21 declared).
I assume the World Hurdle is still the plan unless the Champ Hurdle cuts up badly.

One thing I know is that if I'm backing something in a Cheltenham festival race at odds as short as she is I don't want any doubts.

In this case the trip is an unknown, the only time she's taken on a double figure field over hurdles was when she won her maiden race and it's entirely possible the ground will be quicker than anything she's ever won on as well. With that in mind there's a nagging thought in my mind that her jumping was put under pressure when they quickened up over the last 4 hurdles at Ascot last November on what was the fastest ground she's encountered.

She could make all those doubts look silly but it's not profitable backing horses with that sort of profile in the long term. At the price she's the lay of the meeting for me at the moment.

Two other horse who had their first run over three miles in the World Hurdle... The 'value' may have gone, but there was lots of Non-Runner no bet around at 10/1 downwards for months before Sundays announcement. There was no logical reason to think she'd miss this race, unless she went to Aintree... and even then it's NRNB so a no lose if she didn't turn up. The think she's gonna win a Gold Cup one day, so you'd expect her to get 3 miles    

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        Inglis Drever 5/1     6     11-10      Howard Johnson     157     *     *     »
    Graham Lee
     
Held up in rear, pushed along and plenty to do after 3 out, stayed on after next and quickened to take slight lead last, driven and ran on strongly (tchd 11-2)


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        Solwhit (FR) 17/2     9     11-10      C Byrnes     154     *     *     »
    P Carberry
     
Held up in rear, steady headway approaching 2 out, chased leader before last, led soon after, driven out (op 8-1 tchd 15-2)

They said the same thing about florida pearl as well and that only had to find 2 more furlongs.

Just to add to that, would she be 7/4 favorite for the Champion Hurdle? No

So in the days of efficient markets etc it's the right decision to put her in the race she is most likely to win

Why send your horse to a race it's less likely to win (at the odds)?

I can understand not sending her to the mares, as that is a 'nothing' race, unless you're winning it year after year. The WH holds some prestige and she's fav to win it.

They wouldnt want QUEVAGA beat in the mares...

@koikeeper - that also, World Hurdle was the obvious choice. It keeps everybody happy and give three sets of owners the best chance of winning, instead of dividing the prize funds between themselves

The difference there ash is that you were being asked to take 5/1 about Inglis staying and he'd run 2nd in a big field in the Supreme Novices the year before on similar ground.

Likewise Solwhit was 15/2. The price made it worthwhile for anyone with stamina doubts about the horse.

The thing is AP's price is based more on what "they" say she's capable of rather than what she's actually done. Good luck to anyone taking that short a price on her but personally speaking I think it's an awful price.

Marcce, I wouldn't take the price now... but the signs and the reasons were there in November, so I have taken some 10/1, 4/1 and 3/1 all non-runner no bet

What price do you think she should be now? If I was offered 3/1 again I'd be a backer

TEABAGHDAD said he wouldn't take 20/1, which is akin to saying you wouldn't back England to win the World Cup at 500/1

If I though something that was 7/4 should be 20/1, I'd be laying it with as much as I could afford. It seems like a lot of people are now saying it's the wrong race or the price is too short, but not putting their money up. If they were that confident she'd drift or Big Buck will shorten

Forgetting about whether it comes in or not everything has it's price (back or lay)

TEABAGHDAD has his own unique view on things to be fair.

Obviously the 10/1 you've got would have been a backer's price.

At the moment I'd be a layer rather than a backer at anything up to 4/1. That could change if the weather forecast turns out to be wrong and one of the doubts I referred to i.e. the ground is no longer an issue.

As I say at just short of 2/1 she's the lay of the meeting for me at the moment.

TEABAGHDAD said he wouldn't take 20/1, which is akin to saying you wouldn't back England to win the World Cup at 500/1


GOOD GRIEF. I wouldnt back a horse who i thought had no chance of winning at any ofds and i dont think Annie Power has any chance of winning so wouldnt bet if i got 100/1.

AS FOR ENGLAND BEING A BET AT 500/1?????? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON??????

ENGLAND WOULDNT BE A BET AT 5 million to 1 in brazil.........

OH MY LORD.

so if I offered you 5 million to 1 you wouldn't take it?

Do you play the national lottery by any chance?

13,983,816/1 are the odds of winning that, but plenty still pay their £1 to win an average of £2million

That's a no bet

It's even worse £2 now.

Mar 6, 2014 -- 9:25AM, ladycarla wrote:

It's even worse £2 now.

TEABAG clearly doesnt understand prices and value . As he doesnt bet probably has a bearing on it.

ash cpfc 06 Mar 14 15:23
so if I offered you 5 million to 1 you wouldn't take it?

Do you play the national lottery by any chance?

13,983,816/1 are the odds of winning that, but plenty still pay their £1 to win an average of £2million

That's a no bet


I dont play the national lottery.

And no i wouldnt take your bet of 5mill to 1 on england winning the world cup as i dont think there is any chance of it happening so it would be a waste of money at any price.

(And dont get smart and tell me i could back it at those odds and then lay on betfair).

The concept of any horse has a price is only logical if you give the bet some sort of chance. For example if i thought big bucks was the likliest winner but was odds of 1/3, however i gave annies power a chance even though i didnt think she would win. Say i thought Ap was about a 8/1 chance but i could back her at 33/1 then yes i could consider a bet on her.

As it happens i dont believe she has any chance of winning so wouldnt consider backing her at any price.

How can Annie have no chance? Trained by the best, ridden by the best and is fav to boot. No chicanery will go on, no trying to pull a stroke.

I think you will find Teabag that you have greatly underestimated Annie.

She does oose class (Annie p) & comes to chelts next wk in great form.
She can get a bit worked up at times tho & if backing her I would wait till she was down at the start & looking well settled.
Big Bucks will need to be back to his very best to take care of her (giving 7lbs).
Its not just a case of those 2 imo, Rule The World is also a player imo.
Should be a hell of a race & would love 2 see the old boy BB come out on top

Blackrock 06 Mar 14 15:57
How can Annie have no chance? Trained by the best, ridden by the best and is fav to boot. No chicanery will go on, no trying to pull a stroke.

I think you will find Teabag that you have greatly underestimated Annie.


Thats just my opinion that she has no chance. Even in the event Of Big Bucks running flat and getting pulled up I still dont think she would win. She is just this years hype horse imo thats all, nothing special.

Maybe i will be proved wrong, its happened before and will happen again but the fact is i dont give her any chance and thats my opinion. The only festival race i would give her some sort of a chance in would be the mares hurdle and even then i would still make quevega fav tho i would give ap a chance all the same.

I've no doubt MJK that Ruby's views are obviously canvassed but I'm just not sure I go along with the him being selfish argument and doing what's best for him as to where Annie Power runs, just so as he can ride all 3 of their big hopes. I doubt he would choose to get off Hurricane Fly or Quevega if the owner insisted on a clash with either of those so the World Hurdle looks the easier race for her to win and I just get the impression that was the deciding factor rather than so satisfy Ruby. You would also imagine that Annie Power's owner wouldn't be wanting another jockey on her at Cheltenham either if Ruby stuck with Hurrican Fly and Quevega if there had been a clash of races.

I personally don't think she will beat Big Buck's anyway and am not convinced she would win either of the other races with her stable mates in those, plus a few other dangers such as The New One in the Champion Hurdle. I could be wrong but I don't think Un De Sceaux will run in the Champion Hurdle either as it's probably deemed as unlikely to beat Hurricane Fly but again if it doesn't run then I wouldn't have said it was just to satisfy Ruby.

When Tidal Bay won the Lexus, last year, Rooby said it should go for the World Hurdle. Does anybody honestly believe he'd have said that if Big Bucks was still in the race and Silviano Conti was out of the Gold Cup?

I hope Salubrious runs. Think he will run a big race at a big price on better going.