W Six Times - the previous one

Dickinson?

M Dickinson.

Actually won 5 of his 1st 6 races over fences! So should have been W five times!

Yes - Just checked -

It was Dickinson's as a 5-yr-old in 1982.

Random Result ...

Won - Prince of Wales (Amateur Riders') Cup, at Fakenham, in May 1986 -
- beating course specialist Prince Carlton, by 10 lengths -

Trained by W Kemp.

One of the 12 Dickinson winners on Boxing Day 1982, if memory serves.

Yes he was Prince Rupert remarkable he only had around 60 horses in the stable at the time think he ran 20 on Boxing Day and only 1 finished out the frame.

Can`t remember, perhaps someone can refresh my memory if I won that glorious day

Here`s me in the King George the following year. No horse could jump better than me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauQQ4Z1kzY

Pure sacrilege naming horses after past greats. I think the current rule is that they can do it after 25 years, except winners of Classics.

Seen one running the other day named Chil The Kite Terrible. I remember the original which was trained by Bruce Hobbs and owned by Lord (or maybe Eva Lady) Rosebery. My favourite colours of all time. Primrose and Rose hoops. Scotland`s national football team actually wore strips of the colours in a wartime international against England. Lord Rosebery was a leading patron of the SFA at the time. No other owner has had his colours worn by an international or club football team.

Hiya TMM dont think you won that day
I can recall a few
Brunton Park
WWWWWW
Wayward Lad(king George  Silver buck ran 3rd)
Delius
Marnik
Londolozi
Fearless Imp

5 more i canna recall

Some great names from the past there geoff, thanks for that. Delius was a good one and wrote some good music too did he Brunton Park another old favourite, named after Carlisle Utd`s football ground, and I think owned by the Carlisle chairman, whose name escapes me.

Remember going to Nottingham in around 81 think Broadsword won the city trial hurdle under top weight
Marnik was previously trained by Ken Oliver and had been off the course for over a year made his debut for Michael Dickenson managed to snaffle some 11/2 first show on books and quickly backed in to around 9/4 ish won easily.
Was Carlisle chairman Cant recall his name think colours where red with black sleeves

Bracken
Prominent Artist
Thornacre
B Jeski
Happy Voyage

I might be wrong but I seem to recollect the incomparable Badsworth Boy beating Rathgorman in the Castleford on the Boxing Day.
With Wayward Lad beating Silver Buck .......they only entered 19 races, winning 12.

Picking up with your other horse Chil THE Kite was @ York the day he won the Magnet Cup(74 ish) think his stablemate Jolly Good started fav

cheers Dempsey  wouldnt have recalled them for love nor money.

Just checked an old racing book  , the King Georges was run on the 27th , that is why the Castleford was on the same day.

Thanks Dempsey

and 626

Anybody remember Dickinson`s True Wish? Did it not fall one day, was remounted and still won? or did it finish 2nd? I remember it had a magnificent white blaze. MWD and his mother before him, trained some great jumpers. Broncho II, Dorlesa and Gay Spartan spring to mind.

geoff, I remember Jolly Good, whose colours were very smart indeed, but I can`t remember his prominent owner. Perhaps blackbarn will kindly assist.

Think Broncho and Dorlesa where in the same ownership Frank Tyldesley at least 1 of em won the mildmay of flete around 75/76 ish

geoff, Chil The Kite didn`t win the Magnet Cup but Jolly Good won it in 1975 beating Mr Bigmore and Prominent. Mrs J Bricken owned it. Her colours escape me but I think she had a prominent sash. blackbarn - HELP

Another Hobbs horse, Take A Reef won it in 1974

There were some great owners and fantastic colours about in them days. Arabs ruined the romance of the game and drove the majority of the famous gentry away, who couldn`t compete financially with them.

Frank Tyldesley, he owned some crackers with the Dickinsons

Will Win When Wanted
trainer M Dickinson .. jock  Bradley  what a team
put the best with the best  and you get the best  a real gambling outfit

w six time won his first 5 .. them were the days

Mrs J.Bricken's colours were light grey body, white sleeves with a pink cap

Mrs Bricken owned Jolly Good, who won the 75 Magnet Cup for Hobbs who had won it the previous year 74 with Take A Reef who was owned by Mr A.Villar whose colours were black with red crossbelts, black cap with red hoop

didnt brownes gazzette win the 1st a novice hurdle at wetherby one boxing day at 14 to 1, or am i dreaming and was it beat by a 14 to 1 shot,

Sorry to come to this late.  Cork quite correct on the colours.  Nice to see a mention of Rosebery's Primrose and Rose hoops.  For those who don't know the noble Lords family name was Primrose hence the naming of the colours.

Thanks cork langer for the Bricken colours. Time can play tricks on the memory. Who was the prominent Hobbs owner who had light colours with a Black sash?

Hello Blackbarn, hope you are well and was delayed counting the days winnings

I have a nice photo waiting approval by moderators which I think you will appreciate. Will post later tonight, following dinner.

Is it possible the light grey colours with black sash I am thinking about were Mrs Bricken`s 2nd colours or perhaps her husbands, or did they indeed belong to some other prominent owner

Hi mightymac.  No such luck, was digging parsnips!  I have no trace of Frau Bricken having second colours or a husband with colours.  You are not thinking of Hobbs own colours are you - they were very pale blue with quite dark crossbelts?  I will look them up.

Hobbs trained for Lady Butt - White with Red sash and sleeves. Trained Jacinth to win the Coronation for her?.

Did the owner of W Six Times (the original) come on telly one day & say when asked why it was called as it was  - say; went well, will win, when wanted

Thanks blackbarn. I am definitely thinking of white or grey with a Black sash, maybe it wasn`t a Hobbs owner, perhaps Bill Watts? Don`t waste too much time on it mate, maybe I should start to put water in the whisky

Too late mac, cant stop now.  Have been thru what I think are all the owners of Hobbs group winners, but could be a less successful owner. I have found one set of colours that match quite well, that of Lady Chelsea (White with Black sash and cap). She had horses with John Dunlop but I cannot find a group or other big winner for her. Will keep looking, single body colours with a contrasing sash tend to be quite long standing colours (unless the cap is something other than plain.

blackbarn, photo finally passed by moderator, here is Scotland football shirt mentioned earlier:



and for other observers, here is Lord Rosebery`s racing colours

cheers The M M Chil The Kite actually finished unplaced in 5th .Old age and senility fray the edges of long term memory
Think the W was for waited with will win when wanted.(plenty of them about still)

Good stuff mac.  Forgot to mention on your prev. post, I hadnt heard the football story.

Original W Six Times was the last leg of an all winner 10p yankee on Grand National Day 1984 when I was still at school - I think Little Bay, Dawn Run and Hallo Dandy were the others...

Some excellent posts on this thread.

As a sad and happy footnote my late wife wrote to Michael Dickenson  after 1983 Gold Cup asking if it was possible for me to go on a stable visit .
He wrote back(letter I still have and signed it personally)asking me to ring him in mid summer and he would organise a date in august when the stars where back in from their summer break which I duly did.
So me and a mate where duly invited on a saturday in august 83 up to Dunkeswick around a dozen other folks there .
Superb day happy memories.