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27 Nov 13
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How do you know unless you subscribe? Totally agree it's a disgrace but have a bit of self-regard and pick your own horses.
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im going to give you a tip for free and dont expect any remuneration in return...................diamond king ew in the next at wetherby
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They gave out Seymour Eric each way at 11/10. Is this some kind of joke??
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Didn't know the old spanker was still going.
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It was 2nd wasn't it ?
What you complaining about ? |
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and then they claim it as a winning selection.
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What is it today Kevin, each way major account bet on The Skyfarmer take evens with Corals
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My mistake, Booth's given an each way major account bet on Third Intention at 6/4
 I for one will not be renewing next year, the service is a disgrace |
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Is Kevin running the line again now? Last I heard he parted ways because of a rift with Martin Hall....
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surely an ew double with the first jolly at newbury is the bet
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Another short priced fav given each way but beaten. He will claim tomorrow another great bet that's got everyones money back !!!!
I have been told Booth has lost contact with ALL of his former colleagues and is relying solely on info received from an ex bookie who now lives in the Canaries !!! |
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A disgrace of a firm
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Is the sicko still running a school in India?
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I was a member of Isiris in the good old days(about 8 years of membership) I stopped because I just couldn't get decent sized bets on anymore. What I found a little strange also was that ISIRIS were supposed to stop for good a few years back as the 14 year cycle was complete. I believe the people that used to run it have left/died etc and the adds I've seen in the paper to join paying £1695 a year would put me off straight away anyway as you can't even pay by card. I admit I used to pay 1500 etc each year to join but it was worth it in those days but it sounds as if its gone to pot now and to pay 1695 for this now is just too much for the everyday punter
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Kevin Booth is the original founder and still runs it, although he is now on his own.
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The judge69 28 Nov 13 18:22
'.......... What I found a little strange also was that ISIRIS were supposed to stop for good a few years back as the 14 year cycle was complete ----------- What was this, "14 year cycle," all about?  Was is based on some 'Mystical message' from a farmer on a Mongolian mountain-top? |
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Just about, yes, onlooker. Booth is a nutjob.
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Sounds like he's flogging a dead horse now.
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Makes a change from school girls, eh.
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and Brazilian au pairs
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"....... and to pay £1,695 for this now is just too much....."
If you charge £50 for your services, people will see a bum trying to fleece them, whereas charging £1,695 will make them think you have something worthwhile to offer. |
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And you only need 1 mug for every 34 that the 50 quid fleecer has to find.
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You can't pay by card now? Many years ago I signed up for a year but the information was rubbish and often ew bets on short priced favourites. During my year Booth was jailed so as I had paid by credit card I contacted the credit card company sending details of the court case and they refunded me my money. It was the first and last time I paid for tips and I was lucky not to lose the fee as well.
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The evil presence of a comet that has been destroyed by the sun now means that things have changed now and Isiris members can expect a better run of form for December is the latest garbage on the message today.
What the f**k is Booth on, surely he must be taking drugs??? I cant remember the last winner he gave out and he expects us to accept this drivel He should be closed down |
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" What I found a little strange also was that ISIRIS were supposed to stop for good a few years back as the 14 year cycle was complete
What was this, 14 year cycle all about ?" It is an important piece in the jigsaw and you have to be aware of the link-ups and the spiritual direction drawn from the mystical in this 14-year-cycle - which will include elements that engage the mystery and explore the path in the cold light of mathematical analysis. Booth - a former maths teacher - has befriended this presence of darkness and is working within the shadows and the images, to focus his mind on a much deeper connection within the mystical foundation and to open up to this spiritual presence, and from doing this he is able to assist the discerning punter in his search for mathematical advantages, and to swing the percentages in your favour to find a winner. It is all so simple. If you had concentrated a tad harder at school on your logarithms you would understand this. |
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never read such a load of $hite in all my life
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well played brigust
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I have to admit it was only luck. My wife said because he was in prison I shouldn't have to pay so I telephoned the card people and they said if I sent them the newspaper cuttings they would review it. I said there was no way he could provide the service from inside. And they refunded the full amount.
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Didn't he have a half-decent spell sometime this summer, or was that creative advertising?
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Isiris ad in Rac Post today, 12/1 winner this month planet of Sound. Does anyone here still subscribe and how good was it last year? £449 until April 1st. Is it worth joining? I was a member years ago but have heard not as good as once was. Any advice welcome
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you have to be taking the pish?
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ASA Adjudication on Isiris Racing Services
Isiris Racing Services PO Box 17North Seaton NE64 6EW Date: 1 May 2013 Media: Press general Sector: Leisure Number of complaints: 1 Complaint Ref: A12-212981 Ad A press ad for Isiris Racing Services included the header "NEW MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP" and stated "In October 2012, for the 1st time ever, we introduced 'Monthly Membership' so that people could try out our unique service for a few months before committing to annual membership. They paid just £195 for their first trial month of October - AND WON OVER £2,800 PROFIT EACH*". Small print at the bottom of the ad included "*All bets proofed in advance to the Racing Post as evidence. Total bank required for above profits = £3000 ... Total turnover for October profit = £13,500". Issue The complainant, who did not believe that all of Isiris' members would be able to place bets at the odds tipped by Isiris, challenged whether the claim "won over £2,800 profit each" was misleading. CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.13.113.33.7 Response Isiris Racing Services (Isiris) did not agree with the basis of the complaint. They said they were not responsible for the behaviour of bookmakers, and that it was equivalent to holding an advertiser responsible if a shop refused to sell a product to a consumer. They said if a bookmaker stopped an individual from betting they should use a different one. Isiris said they proofed their tips with the Racing Post and submitted a summary of their forecasts for October 2012. The Racing Post submitted the full proofing documentation. Assessment Upheld The complainant said they had subscribed to a trial membership with Isiris, and had not been able to obtain the odds tipped by Isiris despite calling them as soon as the tips became available and immediately attempting to place the bets online. They believed this was because bookmakers would react to tips which they knew might attract large bets, and would therefore shorten the odds. The proofing documentation which Isiris had submitted to the Racing Post prior to making their tips available demonstrated that at that particular point in time the odds were available. However, we considered that the claim "won over £2,800 profit each" would be understood by consumers to mean that members of Isiris's service were able to achieve this level of profit, if they staked the recommended amounts. The profit claim was based on odds at the time Isiris sent out the tips, rather than starting prices. Although we considered consumers would understand that odds could change and were outside of the direct control of Isiris, we also considered that for the profit claim to be substantiated Isiris should have been able to demonstrate either that this level of profit was achieved by a significant number of their members, or that the odds the selections were tipped at were available for a significant amount of time after the tips became available, i.e. long enough for their members to have reasonable opportunity to back the selections at the tipped odds. We had not been provided with evidence that the odds tipped were available for any particular length of time after the tips had been made available to their customers, or that any of their customers had achieved the level of profit quoted based on their tips. We therefore concluded the claim was misleading. The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules 3.1 and 3.3 (Misleading advertising), 3.7 (Substantiation) and 3.11 (Exaggeration). Action The ad must not appear again in its current form. We told Isiris not to make profit claims for their service, unless they could demonstrate that this level of profit was achievable by their customers based on their tips. |
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ASA Adjudication on Isiris Racing Services
Isiris Racing Services PO Box 17North Seaton Northumberland NE64 6EW Date: 6 February 2013 Media: Press general Sector: Leisure Number of complaints: 1 Complaint Ref: A12-209598 Background Summary of Council decision: Two issues were investigated, both were Upheld. Ad A press ad, for Isiris Racing Services, a betting tipster, included the claims "… with a strike-rate in the region of 80% (currently 90% with 18 out of our last 20 bets all successful)". Large red text below stated "90% STRIKE-RATE". Further text included "… members may request a full list of every bet over the past 7 years, showing well over £210,000 profit per member". Issue The complainant challenged whether: 1. the claim "90% STRIKE-RATE" was misleading, because he believed many of the bets were each-way or split stake bets which had returned less money than was staked; and 2. the claim "… well over £210,000 profit per member" was misleading and could be substantiated. CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.13.113.73.9 Response 1. Isiris Racing Services (Isiris) said if a bet was advised to finish in the first three (each-way) and it finished in the first three, then it was successful because it had done what was predicted. They said the ad included details of profit and strike rates and the reader could therefore easily see the extent to which one correlated with another, which in this case was a 90% strike rate correlated with £4,700 profit. They pointed out that the ad also included a race-by-race breakdown, including details of a loser. Isiris said the ad was accurate and not misleading. 2. Isiris submitted a spreadsheet, which they said demonstrated that the £210,000 profit claim was correct. They said the results covered almost the previous eight years, from November 2004. However, they did not operate for a year between 2009 and 2010 and it was therefore correct to say the profit figure was achieved from the results of their past seven years. They said there were several thousand results to "prove" however they could also submit the relevant e-mails, which had been lodged with the Racing Post in advance of the relevant events, if necessary. Assessment 1. Upheld The ASA noted the ad, which appeared on 25 September 2012, included details of nine bets, one of which had returned "£0 profit". We noted it also included the claim "… with a strike-rate in the region of 80% (currently 90% with 18 out of our last 20 bets all successful)" and therefore considered the claim "90% STRIKE-RATE" would be understood to relate to Isiris's previous 20 tips, including the nine that were listed in the ad. We also considered the ad would be interpreted as suggesting 90% of those tips had returned a profit. We noted Isiris's argument that the ad included a profit claim that clearly correlated to the strike-rate claim but we considered the text "Also, £4714 profit on all bets advised during August!*" would be understood as relating only to August and that any correlation to the claimed "90% STRIKE-RATE" for the previous 20 tips, including the nine the ad stated had taken place since the end of August, was therefore not clear. We noted the nine bets listed included references such as "EW" and "each way bet" but that the ad stated that all but one of those bets had returned a profit and did not include details of any each-way or split stake bets that had returned less than the amount staked. We considered the ad did not make sufficiently clear, for example by including prominent qualification next to the strike-rate claim itself, that the claimed strike-rate included bets that could return less than was staked. We therefore concluded that the ad was misleading. On this point, the ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules 3.1 (Misleading advertising), 3.9 (Qualification) and 3.11 (Exaggeration). 2. Upheld We considered readers of the Racing Post, a publication for sports and betting enthusiasts, were likely to interpret the claim as suggesting that Isiris had provided tips that had potential for a cumulative profit of £210,000 for members who had followed every tip for the previous seven years continuously. We noted the spreadsheet submitted by Isiris, which it appeared related to each tip provided since 5 November 2004. We noted the column headed "CumP/L", which we understood to relate to cumulative profit and loss, included text that appeared to relate to theoretical accumulated profits of over £210,000 in the days immediately preceding the ad's publication. While we acknowledged Isiris's explanation that they had not operated for a year during the period the data referred to, we considered the claim would be understood to refer to the past seven years, therefore dating back to September 2005, rather than to the total time in which Isiris had operated over the previous eight years. However, whereas the claim referred to the "past 7 years", we understood the cumulative total recorded against those dates in September 2012 included theoretical profits accumulated between November 2004 and September 2005, which was more than seven years previously, as well as a gap of one year during which no tips were provided. We acknowledged the ad included small print linked to the claims "= £4451 profit*" and "Also, £4714 profit on all bets advised during August!*", which stated "… Total bank required for above profits = £1000. Total turnover for August profit = £11,300. Total turnover for 9 bets = £5100" but that no similar text was included to make clear the total bank needed to place stakes on the relevant forecasts to achieve "… well over £210,000 profit". While we considered the spreadsheet indicated that Isiris had recorded the tips listed since November 2004, we were concerned that it did not demonstrate that their members who had followed every tip "over the past 7 years" had made the profit claimed. We were also concerned that we had not seen evidence that the forecasts were lodged with an independent third party before the relevant events took place. We considered the claim had not been substantiated and that the ad was therefore misleading. On this point, the ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules 3.1 (Misleading advertising), 3.7 (Substantiation), 3.9 (Qualification) and 3.11 (Exaggeration). Action The ad must not appear again in its current form. We told Isiris to ensure future ads made sufficiently clear if strike-rate claims included bets that could return less money than was staked. We also told them to ensure they were in a position to substantiate their profit claims in future. |
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ASA Adjudication on Isiris Racing Services
Isiris Racing Services PO Box 17North Seaton NE64 6EW Date: 15 February 2012 Media: Press general Sector: Leisure Number of complaints: 1 Complaint Ref: A11-178592 Ad A press ad, in the Racing Post for a betting tipster service, seen on 15 November 2011, stated "WIN FIRST - PAY LATER!! Yes - let your bookmaker pay your ISIRIS annual fees for you. The 2012 annual fee is £1,695 with the remainder of 2011 thrown in for free. Simply pay a £500 deposit to cover our administration costs and then do not pay one further penny of your fees until AFTER you have won a minimum of £1,695 in your own pocket." Issue Lord David Lipsey, vice-Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Betting and Gaming and member of the Starting price Regulatory Commission, and acting in a personal capacity, challenged whether the description of the £500 payment as "to cover our administration costs" was misleading and exaggerated the costs associated with providing the service. CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.13.173.33.4.63.73.9 Response Isiris stated they were not prepared to outline what their costs were. They said the ad stated the amount payable and the reader could make a choice as to whether to pay the charge or look elsewhere. Assessment Upheld We noted that the "a £500 deposit" was intended "to cover our administration costs", but that the advertisers had not provided any detail relating to the nature of the costs covered by the £500. Without additional information relating to what costs were incurred by the advertisers' administrative process, we considered that some consumers would consider that £500 was a high sum to cover administrative tasks relating to a betting tipster service. Although we considered that some consumers might understand the claim "a £500 deposit to cover our administration costs" in more general terms, to mean, for example, that the £500 would be specifically used in the running of the business, to cover general running costs and their business outgoings, we nonetheless noted we had not seen any evidence to show what expense the £500 related to and how it was used in the running of the business. On that basis, because we had not been provided with any further information, or seen any evidence to show that how the payment was used "to cover our administration costs", we concluded that the claim was likely to mislead. The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) rules 3.1, 3.3, 3.4.6 (Misleading advertising), 3.7 (Substantiation), 3.9 (Qualification) and 3.17 (Prices). Action The ad must not appear again in its current form. |
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Ad in todays rp says 3300 profit last 3 bets..anyone confirm or deny?
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roida - I would imagine that is to advised steaks (that you prob wont get). Why doesn't it state the profit of the last 5 or 10 bets?
Stay well away imo - this advice is free of charge. |
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im not considering joining i do ir ev day..just wonder if claims are true
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Why on earth would anyone go to the trouble of bringing this thread back up I wonder?
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I believe elise is correct.
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Theres a Mug born every minute .. and thank God most of em when they are older
Come Racing ....... ..... |