cheltenham t0ssers sorry bookmakers

as Glasgow says , not much point ever leaving the house

But, ya do !   

Is it the atmosphere or the ££££££££££££££££££ 's ?  ...   

I well remember some years ago Stephen Little saying that he bet better ''win'' prices than Barry Dennis who allegedly bet traditional ew terms at the same odds... watched it on the M L   !

mind you after looking  at some of the prices in the trade stall village , maybe the guinness should have £14.70 a pint

Jockey Club Racecourses standard each-way terms:

Where accepting each-way bets, ensure the terms shall be or shall be better, i.e. more favourable to the customer, than:

a)      for races with fewer than 3 runners – all to win
b)      for races with 3 or 4 runners – 1/5 odds on place 1– 2
c)      for races with 5 – 7 runners (inclusive) – 1/4 odds on place 1–2
d)      for races with 8 or more runners – 1/5 odds on place 1–2–3
e)      for handicap races with 12 – 15 runners (inclusive) – 1/4 odds on place 1–2–3
f)       for handicap races with 16 – 21 runners (inclusive) – 1/5 odds on place 1–2–3–4
g)      for handicap races with 22 or more runners – 1/4 odds on place 1–2–3–4 - See more at: http://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/news/jcr-champions-punters-rights-with-standard-each-way-terms#sthash.jzPNW4eb.dpuf


Not defending the books but they are playing by the rules as set down by the JC.

YOU DRIVE INTO A STREET AND ON ONE CORNER THERES ASHOP .....ABDUL JAMRADDI PATEL COVIENIENCE STORE........ON THE OPOSITE CORNER THERES A SHOP ....IMRANNI MUSTAPHA KWAAPINACORNER CONVIENIENCE STORE........IN ABDULS SHOP THE TIN OF HEINZ BEANS ARE68P A TIN ....IN INRAANIS SHOP A TIN OF HEINZ BEANS 70P A TIN .....PARKING AVAILABLE NO DOUBLE YELLOW LINES .....WHO DO YOU BUY THE BEANS OFF ????.....YES MEOLD MUKKA YOU GO AND SEE ABDUL CAUSE HES 2 P CHEAPER ...............BUT YA DONT STAND OUTSIDE IMRAANIS SHOP KICKING OFF DO YA ???,BECAUSE YOU HAD THE CHOICE ,,IF YOU WERE UNAWARE OF THE PRICE DIFFERENCE YOU KNOW BETTER MAYBE NEXT TIME OR IN TIME ......YOU SEE A BOOMAKER TURNS UP PAYS HIS WAY AND HE RUNS HIS BUISNESS AS HE SEE FITS .......SO WHY FOR THE LIFE OFF ME DO YOU ALL CARRY ON GOBBLING ABOUT LIKE THE RUSSSIANS HAVE VIOLATED HUMAN RIGHTS ..........ITS BEEEN ESTABLISHED THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DONT KNOW AND ARENT FKKIN BOVVERD ....BUT TO ALL THE DO-GOODERS ON HERE WHO DONT WANNA GO RACING THERE LIFE REVOVES ROUND STARING AT THIS SITE ALL DAY....WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT YOUR BIG NOSED FKKIN BUISNESS STAY OUT OF RACECOURSE MATTERS AND GET ON WITH YA OWN BUISNESS ....SZHITHEADS

CHELTENHAM T%SSER BOOKMAKERS THERES ABIG BIG BIG PERCENTAGE OF THEM LADS THATS COME THROOO THE RANKS AND TRIED -AND SUCCEED TO BETTER THERSELVES AND THEY MAKE 99% OF THE KRETINIUOS ARE%%SOLES ON HEAR LOOK LIKE THE FFOOKIN LOSERS THEY ARE ....YOU COULDNT LACE SOME OF THEM BOOKIES BOOTS 90%OF YA WOULDNT LAST A WINTER

To be fair at the majority of racecourses these days tins of beans cost the same at all the shops in the area. Then the moment someone changes their price for that tin of beans everybody else changes to the same price within seconds.

Putting a bet on with the bookies at most courses nowadays comes down to which of them looks the friendliest.

You seem somewhat irked J W, perhaps you should take up a new profession... have you considered english literature ?

jw caps lock ffs

13-8 WITH ME- ON ONE SIDE OF THE JOINT WAS A PIT BULL THE OTHER SIDE  A STAFF THAT SLASHED ON THE PUNTERS LEG .....NEXT DOOR WAS GORGEOUS GEORGE HE HAD 6-4 ...........HE NEVER LAID IT

J W, your views remind me of certain away bookmakers who used to put prices against known non runners to ''fleece'' holiday crowds !

KEEP IT COMING ....ITS GOOD FOR YA SOUL

40 bookmakers in the main ring and everyone of them betting to a 1/5 th the odds the first 4 in two 20 and one  17 runner handicap , t0ssers.

that is probably why the shitheadz care JW

FREE ENTRY AT TOWCESTER GOOD CROWD .....2 DAYS A YEAR THEY CHARGE HALF OF EM STAY AWAY ............YEAH THEY CARE

YOU ARE A FICKLE BUNCH TONIGHT

Nov 16, 2013 -- 9:25PM, rcing wrote:

40 bookmakers in the main ring and everyone of them betting to a 1/5 th the odds the first 4 in two 20 and one  17 runner handicap , t0ssers.that is probably why the shitheadz care JW

disgraceful

rcing,


good evening. His argument seems to be 'come & have a go if you think you're clever enough!'

THICK OR FICKLE I CANT QUITE DECIDE

YOUR ALL SWARTHEE LOOKING AND ARE COVERED IN SPOTS NON OF YUZ HAVE SEEN FRESH AIR

fink ur just fick jw

evening HD , to be fair i am just a shithead stay at home punter . he is probably far to clever for me

Nah mate, judging by his prose I very much doubt it !   

NEVER PROFFESSED TO BE CLEVERER THAN ANYONE ,IVE BEEN ON HERE SINCE 2001 AND YA ALL USING THE SAME TOILET ROLL

i have never seen fresh air

i have breathed it and felt it though , but never seen it .

what's it look like

AND SOME OF HAVE TO WIPE THE OTHERS AR%SE HALYCON POORPUP AND RCING .....YOUR SO IN NEED OF BACK UP YOU HAVE TO BOUNCE OF EACH OTHER ............OOO LOOK IVE GOT ONE AS WELL

SHAME THEY DOO THESE IN BLOCK CAPS

try and find the caps lock button and stop talking shoite

Dinosaurs were bigger as well but have been extinct for some time now.

cheltenham t0ssers sorry bookmakers,maybe i should have said leemings

I guess it's hard to debate with someone as biased as you, take a leaf out of adge's book, reasoned points, made well !

WHATS UP DOC

THATS WHY HES LIVED WITH HIS MAM ALL HIS LIFE AND WEASRS T-SHIRTS PAYS 1.34 A PINT AND PLAYS DOMINOES ON A TUESDAY

OH SORRY SHE PASSED ON THIS YEAR HES NOW ON HIS OWN

^ Is that directed at me ?

21.34 YOU MENTIONES ADGE I REPLIED TO THAT...OK ............YOU GOTTA LEARN TO KERB YA ANGER YOUNG MAN

CAN I GO NOW

Fair enough, still think the remarks in extremely bad taste !

jw must be on the johnny walker

Nov 16, 2013 -- 9:36PM, johnnywilkinson wrote:

OH SORRY SHE PASSED ON THIS YEAR HES NOW ON HIS OWN

muppet

fook he bookies - bet on ere!

jw must be on the johnny walker

i am guessing you didn't mean to type the in that sentence poorpup

The D J...



Diddler Joe

Nov 16, 2013 -- 9:45PM, rcing wrote:

jw must be on the johnny walker i am guessing you didn't mean to type the in that sentence poorpup

hal,blaggard aside..you aint the brightest

Prey, do tell...

GO JONNY GO

was in the best mate enclosure today plenty of betting a quarter in the handicap races.plenty of horses getting layed at bigger prices than on here maybe u guys were in wrong ring.

thought the gates did not open till 10am today .

Its difficult in someways because of the over-broke nature of the place market, however doubt the course were top price any runners compared to the online and shop operations. At Chelts last time I went it was a minimum of 1% per runner on the handicaps and potentially more. Just giving away to much of an edge betting at those prices

2.6 ON HERE 11/4 IN RING  1.94 ON HERE EVENS IN RING

ONCOURSE BOOKMAKING THE FACTS= 90% OF THE RINGS ON THE RACECOURSES ARE DOMINATED NOT BY BOOKMAKERS BUT COMMISSION AGENTS,FLIMPERS AND NON TRIERS,EVEN ALLOWING FOR THIS FACT,THE REMAINING TEN PERCENT OF BOOKS OFFER BETTER VALUE THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF BETTING,THE FACTS ARE THE PUNTER HAS NEVER EVER EVER HAD IT SO GOOD,AT UTTOX YEATERDAY EVERY FAV BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE(AND U CAN BE ON)TRADITIONAL PLACE TERMS EVERY RACE(FAR BIGGER THAN ANY EXCHANGE AND TO TEN TIMES MORE CASH)IF U DOUBT WHAT I SAY COME RACING SHOP AROUND AND SEE FOR YOURSELF,THE VALUE WITHOUT A DOUBT FOR THE PUNTER IS STILL ON THE RACECOURSE,HOPE THIS HELPS

the problem is you can't see that when you're in the bar , max

PAY TRAVEL AND ADMISSION TO STAND IN BAR. DONT GET IT

going back to the opening post re the greatwood hurdle
exchange prices
PINE CREEK 8.2 win and 2.52 place
CASH AND GO 8.6 , 2.54
FLAXEN FLARE 10 , 3.25
THOMAS EDISON 11.5 , 3.15
IFANDBUTWHYNOT 11.5 , 3.0
KASHMIRE PEAK 12 , 3.45
and so on
all 1/5th odds or worse.
any course bookmaker betting 1/4 1234 murders the exchange ptice.
and yes , many books do bet place only , myself included

just one question if every fav is bigger in the ring why do you and your friends bet back into the machines and not hedge in the ring,in fact why not leave your laptops at home, obviously thats if you believe a word of what you say,

because we lay other horses as well..some will use their laptops to lay horses on here if they dont fancy them

1ST TIME,COME RACING AND FIND OUT

at least you didnt say you took your machines to check your prices were always bigger,

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going back to the opening post re the greatwood hurdle
exchange prices
PINE CREEK 8.2 win and 2.52 place
CASH AND GO 8.6 , 2.54
FLAXEN FLARE 10 , 3.25
THOMAS EDISON 11.5 , 3.15
IFANDBUTWHYNOT 11.5 , 3.0
KASHMIRE PEAK 12 , 3.45
and so on
all 1/5th odds or worse.
any course bookmaker betting 1/4 1234 murders the exchange ptice.
and yes , many books do bet place only , myself included



Adge we've been here before!

Let's compare your selected race with the 7 runner non-handicap at 2:40 :-

Chelt 17th Nov - 14:40

                  Win        Place
Sire De Grugy     1.97       1.42
Kid Cassidy       6          2.52
Special Tiara     9          3.55
Oiseau De Nuit    12         4.2
His Excellency    15.5       5.5
Tataniano         23         7
Mad Moose         32         9.2


All place odds better than 1/4 on Betfair for a 7 runner non-handicap.

Come Racing?    I think I'll stay at home with the machine, ta.

mice,
this thread is about course books betting 1/5th 1234 and not 1/4 and being pilloried for it.
we all know 7 runner races are a bookmakers bonanza IF ONLY punters bet each way in these which they don't

adge - those figures on the Greatwood don't bear out your point. Flaxen Flare is exactly 1/4 place at those odds. Several of the others are slightly better than 1/5, and that's comparing the place odds with Betafir win odds, not bookies win odds.

conversely you have to include commission deductions , ged

my point is that course bookmakers cannot bet to 1/4 odds and have any chance of making a profit when competing with exchanges.

exchange players like to pay commission and if they are really good premium charge

just so adge can give me a maths lesson,forgetting barry dennis,s nuisance customers,he,s a few questions,
at most meetings even big meetings on a saturday how many ew bets to money that makes a difference to your take,[ you,d probably make more giving the coffees, burgers,chips a miss ]do you take,how many do you pay out on and how many that you pay out might actually save you money,
ie paying out on a 50 ew winner at 5 to 1,when if you are paying the wrong terms the punter might just say stuff it and have the ton on the nose,

you,ll now give me a maths lesson about every horse in the race been in the book,every placed horse whatever the odds been backed by someone etc

lol , no I don't bother with such records[ maybe I shouldn't with the chips either ]
on average my books show win money 70% to place money 30% where 6/7 runner races are less than 10% place and bad each way races are often over 40% place.
all my larger each way punters don't have any problem with 1/5th 1234 in 16 runner handicaps.
we do get the rare odd moan about the terms but direct these to the betting shops warning them that they will get a smaller win price though.
turn up at thirsk one day and i'll show you. now that's a better education

No badge, No Annual fee, No Staff wages, No transport, No levy.

Whats the point of comparing the exchanges with on course bookmaking ? It's effectively two completely different industries.

no drunks,no casual day trippers,no competetion,no phone network,no customer service

yes your right 2 totally seperate industries

could go to thisrk in the summer when its the 3rd meeting on a busy saturday and there,ll be a 100 runners 90 of which i,d have never heard of,stick to weekdays of the big york meetings me thinks

everyone as a go at the bookies at cheltenham laying back on their laptops - but this cant be done as everyone who goes to cheltenham knows - you cant get a internet connection ,

or do they have a different wifi network than the rest of us

going back a few years if barry dennis cant get a connection why did  he have 2 machines with 3 or 4 people manning them ,plus 2 or 3 runners,plus wife ,daughter , butcher,baker etc
he wasnt running a charity

ego trip

i'll be there next march with just one assistant and no back bets.
little or no wifi connection not a problem

Nobody should be running a charity.  Why should the on-course books be forced to bet over-broke on some races?  If you go out anywhere you will always have to pay an inflated price for things as a cost of your entertainment compared to sitting at home.  Just pop down to any basic restaurant and you will pay £15 for a bottle of wine that is £5 in Tesco.

As some have also said on here, you'll pay £4.70 for a guinness at Chelts, so having a pop if bookie prices aren't quite in line with what you get in a 100% market does seem a bit rich. 

The moment you leave the door you know you are paying for travel, entrance, food, drink and bets.  If you don't fancy it, then don't go - or go less, but ultimately it's a pretty boring life if you just stay indoors all the time.  The books have plenty of expenses to match to even get level.  Why shouldn't they be allowed to have a go at making a profit as much as any other service on course?

has jw not come round yet?

Did anyone else head to the magic sign in the centaur yesterday?  Unbelievable concessions in there.  Not sure how on course boys are meant to compete with that.

they don't even try , billy .
the high street firms all lost amounts in the millions this march [ I hope everyone on here took advantage ].
they come up with so many publicity seeking ideas and loss leaders.......it's all an ego trip and only shareholders money so why should they care
.

1/4 odds a place on all races [ overbroke ] , first five in some handicaps [ overbroke ] , money back if this or that happens [ overbroke ]
senior management still can't work out how they lost so much . but at least the publicity is good. as I say , they are not playing with their own money

go past any  high street betting shop or look on the net and its money back this enchanched odds that everything to draw you in or get your attention/hooked, yet when we have also paid to get in just like the poor bookie were left with no choice as the lemmings have all followed each other  over the place odds, maybe they should make them bet win only and let the tote take the place bets which are costing them so much i dare say they would have no problem paying a 1/4 the odds then [:wink:.

It's probably the most gambled on meeting of the year adge....   they can afford to give some of the FOBTs, footy millions back to horse racing investors !

YEP,ABOVE OFFERS GREAT IF U BET IN SHILLINGS,TRY GETTING ANYTHING ABOVE A SCORE ON

you need to look at those tote place dividends , carrot , they even make betfair place prices look good

Its the off course bookmakers that are killing the on course ones,this is the only relevant comparison as both pay out cash.

There is a difference in that the concessions given are for small stakes,historically the bigger punter went racing for that's where the big layers were,also the big layers went the lower prices because they bet in size.

The standard each way terms are traditional and standard which is why they should be sacrosanct,if the bookmakers feel they are betting over broke adjust your prices accordingly,the reduction of place terms looks like sleight of hand.

I have to agree punters never have had it so good,we see all races and I remember the dreaded days of betting tax.

First at Plumpton looks an interesting e.w.event.

TheVis is correct imo

there is no point arguing about this, if you know where to get better value than on-course than just do it if you want to

some punters want to back on-course with the books because it's part of the package. I don't think books should have to continually justify the prices or terms on their boards, obviously they are trying to make a profit. No one is forcing punters to bet on-course

The retail high street shops(non betting),and out of town,as high streets are decaying,work on a far bigger mark-up on cost than they did 10,15,20 years ago,due to continually rising overheads.So now shoppers get far worse value than they did did those days of yesteryear.It is a shame,but that is how it is in many walks of life.

slickster, carrot, glasgowcalling , all seem to have made a very good and well reasoned case for the 1/4 1-2-3-4, id go further and say it should have been a 3rd odds first 5 and money back if you horse came 6th!!

SPUT ON WILDMAN

SPOT

adage, your right about the tote place returns but given the choice of 1/5 the odds in 20 runner handicaps  and taking a chance with the tote im with the tote.and bet baldy must be laughing all the way to the bank with all the custom you and your fellow bookmakers are sending to the tote

you've just had the adjusted odds scenario at plumpton with the runner up and 3rd returning 8 and 10s when available ion nthe machine at  28 and 40s, the fact is its impossible to get a "standard" set of terms that are fair to both bookies and punters, the long odds on chances just spoil betting on these races for bookie and punter but I cannot see what can happen to even things up unless there are two separate win and place markets.

yes , you can tell that by the length of queues at the tote windows

anyone know which bookie went e/w the first four in a 11 runner hcp at lingfield saturday.

Don't think Jocky stands at Lingfield otherwise he might be the answer !

how was it your end sat democrat ? thankfully i got a headstart off your mark talked me into havin £400 on the pipe horse at 9/1 with bald  fred at 10'o clock had to go 11/1 on track to get out of it

Slow start but picked up later on flash. I hear you 'picked up' and was home by 5 o'clock - were you on a promise ? With such free guidance I expect you'll be buying him a drink in Wetherspoons in March - if your memory has not faded by then !!!