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Biscar Two from a mile back
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Report Hushwing. November 13, 2013 12:39 PM GMT
no way , great ride from Atzeni , proper good race riding
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 12:39 PM GMT
Definitely interesting as BSAT certainly moved left under the whip and closed TIUT off from coming through. Only a millimetre but I would throw it out.
Report Swardean November 13, 2013 12:40 PM GMT
I am sure Michael Wigham will be quite releived, as he stated his stable hadn't had a penny on before the race.
Report Biscar Two from a mile back November 13, 2013 12:40 PM GMT
Hushwing not if he took his ground it isnt
Report howard November 13, 2013 12:41 PM GMT
should be changed. result would have been different
Report metro john November 13, 2013 12:41 PM GMT
He will keep it, 4s on good price!
Report metro john November 13, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
He was never level with the winner!
Report Biscar Two from a mile back November 13, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
Any Horse with Tommo in his name can't be fav to get any favours imho Laugh
Report Hushwing. November 13, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
was more santadelacruz closing gap , that was never really there . what are these fav mugs on atr watchingCrazy
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
Would have won 3 lengths without BSAT coming across.
Report Poppydog. November 13, 2013 12:43 PM GMT
If they reverse this, then the rule must be you have to leave a gap for horses behind, when you make a move!?!

Surely no chance
Report Addy_D November 13, 2013 12:44 PM GMT
lol biscar.

for what its worth i think thw winner has come across enough to deny the fav a run and atzenis whip is in his right hand - winning distance a nose. its hard to argue the fav wouldnt have won that nor his chance comprimised by the winner.

that said who knows what the stewards will do they are SO inconsistent. i wouldnt be surprised either way although i do feel the fav should get it.
Report asparagus November 13, 2013 12:45 PM GMT
Agree with Poppydog. Would be a joke decision if it's reversed.
Report alayaday November 13, 2013 12:46 PM GMT
agree with poppy, they can't reverse that according to the rules. doesn't mean they won't though! but 1/2 looks a good bet to keep it
Report Hushwing. November 13, 2013 12:47 PM GMT
wouldve won 4 lengths if he hadnt tried going for a millisecond gap that was never going to be his. a poor crowley ride imo.

reverse angle shows it aint really a gap.
Report ThunderRoad November 13, 2013 12:47 PM GMT
BloodSweetandTears plummeting. Steward Xmas money
Report dan hardcore November 13, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
Think it was good race riding, it's not like he carved him up.
Report LittleSarah November 13, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
Isn't the first question the stewards ask, "Did interference take place?"  And if the answer is no then you can't reverse the placings?

So, did interference take place?  In my opinion no it didn't.  The winner edged left and denied the second a clear run.  That is massively different to interfering with a horse, surely.
Report Addy_D November 13, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
wow fav got it!
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
I would have thought that was the precise definition of interference.
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 12:51 PM GMT
Excellent - right result.
Report dan hardcore November 13, 2013 12:52 PM GMT
Harsh.
Report dave1357 November 13, 2013 12:52 PM GMT

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surprised at that tbh

Report asparagus November 13, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
One of the worst decisions I've seen. Little Sarah's post sums it up pretty well.
Report Biscar Two from a mile back November 13, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
Sarah that doesnt make sense imho if a horse edges left and denies a horse a clear run surely that is interfering with its run ?
Report metro john November 13, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
ffs,what rules are they looking at,the winner made a positive move,they have ignored the other horse hanging also,and hardly any contack,ffs this takes the sport back to the dark agesDevil
Report comicbookguy November 13, 2013 12:54 PM GMT
Seen a lot worse than that , I am shocked. Presenter on Atr said 94% sure result would stand, shows what the experts know.
Report metro john November 13, 2013 12:54 PM GMT
always infront when he made his move,just like the old ,lingfield and york steward,what c u n t s
Report its only a game November 13, 2013 12:54 PM GMT
the stewards where all on the fav no way should that have been reversed
Report Hushwing. November 13, 2013 12:55 PM GMT
biscar was never really a gap and santa  moved across more then BST
Report comicbookguy November 13, 2013 12:56 PM GMT
Market was strange during inquiry imo, someone knew what was coming?
Report Biscar Two from a mile back November 13, 2013 12:58 PM GMT
Hushwing I think thats the question. Was there a gap? If yes had to go, if no then no case to answer
Report Poppydog. November 13, 2013 1:00 PM GMT
Quite shocked at that

Fuel for those jockeys that like to make exaggerated dramatic switch-moves
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 1:00 PM GMT
Seems obvious to me who backed BST here.
Report hello :-) November 13, 2013 1:02 PM GMT
strange decision and strange betting , i doubt anyone involved expected a reversal
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:06 PM GMT
I  remember the dark days of the old rules,it was always at lingield and york you had most of the very poor reversals,the jockey on the eventual winner tryig to win it with a bit up the sleave,did not go early enough too put it to bed,the jockey who was trying was penalised,and may i had I think the trainer of the disqualified horse a moron for opening his mouth in interview with Matt?
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:07 PM GMT
If they ever bring back the old rules i will pack this in and go birdwatching instead!
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:09 PM GMT
I had one win 5L at york one year ,and got disqualified for interference in the first furlong.
Report dan hardcore November 13, 2013 1:10 PM GMT
Interesting one, because if he had flown home and been beaten a neck you could be sure he would have won still without the interference, but would he have got it then? And if the interference had taken place on the bend instead of 2f out, and beaten a nose, would he have got the race then? I didn't think Atzeni did anything wrong, he just shut the door on a horse he had position on. No doubt the best horse won, just looked a case of a good ride and an unlucky loser to me, rather than a ride that deserved to be chucked out.
Report xmoneyx November 13, 2013 1:15 PM GMT
just saw race,stewards must of had a good lunch
Report dave1357 November 13, 2013 1:18 PM GMT
have had, much have had a good lunch with drinks including liqueurs I would imagine
Report TheJudge November 13, 2013 1:18 PM GMT
If you reverse the prices my money says the places remain unaltered

British racing make it up as you go along and as suits
Report pipedreamer November 13, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
Put this race alongside the Goring Goring race,and you can see how ridiculous the reverse was!!!!.
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:21 PM GMT
The winner was knocked right off final bend ,the jockey had to switch whip to keep it going off the track,(in fear the horse on its left came out again? but regardless of that, the horse behind had no right to go for that gap,for ffs if he had not of pulled it back he would have charged between two horse costing them the race? well maybe not,but the inconsistency in stewards ship starting to rear its head.
Report xmoneyx November 13, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
there was no gap,yep
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:36 PM GMT
Lingfield just became a no bet zone for me,they can pull  track down for me while those stewards ruling the roost1
Report metro john November 13, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
Just heard no jokey Ban(says it all)
Report bilbobaggins November 13, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
Correct decision for me - gap was definitely closed. That was more than race riding . If BSAT had kept straight and left the gap it would have lost anyway so correct decision.
Report alayaday November 13, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
think the stewards were too influenced by the runner-up being clearly the best horse in the race, and not enough influenced by the lack of interference. the gap did close, but who decided the gap belonged to crowley? don't think he was upsides the pair when short of room, thought he was behind them
Report roggrain November 13, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
Interference must have been deemed accidental,metro.
The intereference doesn't have to be deliberate or through careless riding for a runner to be dq'd.
Report Poppydog. November 13, 2013 2:19 PM GMT
Still don't understand, why you have to leave a gap for a horse which is behind you?

Fellow jockeys commiserate with Atzeni, saying he rode a great race
Report dave1357 November 13, 2013 2:23 PM GMT
I can't begin to think how many place positions should be amended given the precedent of this decision.
Report dave1357 November 13, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
that race just there the fav interfered with the 3rd twice
Report Marcce November 13, 2013 3:05 PM GMT
Just seen the race for the first time.

That really was an horrendously bad decision.
Report TheJudge November 13, 2013 3:10 PM GMT
How hard does everyome think the Jockey protested against the well backed trainers mount imo
Report boyce November 13, 2013 4:25 PM GMT
worst decision ive ever seen,,surely an ivestigation is warranted,,that is just blatant robbery
Report Poppydog. November 13, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
I agree in a way.

But the betting was only 1.5 vs 2.5 (strangely)

Seen dozens of bigger prices win Stewards over the years.
Report BESTMATE44 November 13, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
Completely agree boyce.
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