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By Mark McGivern
Bookie refuses to pay out £11k winnings to punter after seven-race bet comes in.. because of line on betting slip
13 Nov 2013 00:01
CORAL in Kilmarnock claim a black line on the betting slip gave them the right to split Ryan Clark's wager into a 50p treble and a 50p fourfold bet - earning him just £116.
A BOOKIE refused to pay out £11,000 to a punter after a seven-race bet came in – because there was a line printed on the betting slip.
Ryan Clark placed a £1 accumulator bet on seven horses at races in Wolverhampton, Plumpton and Kempton Park. They all won, netting him a bumper return of £11,261.
But when he went to collect his winnings at Coral in Kilmarnock, the bookies refused to pay up – and offered him just £116.
Coral claim a black line which appeared on the printed betting slip gave them the right to split his wager into a 50p treble and a 50p fourfold bet – earning him substantially smaller winnings.
But Ryan says his receipt should have entitled him to the big payout.
Dad-of-one Ryan, 37, spent £150 celebrating the “win”. The water company worker also took a week off and believed he could afford to splash out at Christmas.
He also spent £400 in “cover” bets on the last race of his accumulator, protecting himself against all eventualities.
He said: “I’m devastated. I lodged a fair bet and the bookies knew what it was from the outset.
“I wrote the seven horses’ names down and ‘£1’ at the side of the slip. The cashier asked if it was intended as an accumulator and I said it was.
“It went into their system as a sevenfold from the outset. I know this because after the last horse won, I asked for a receipt to show what I would be paid.
“It said it was a £1 accumulator which would pay out £11,000.
“There was a line drawn on the betting slip before I even picked it up. That can happen and it was clarified at the time of the bet.
“They didn’t mention trebles, fourfolds or 50p bets. It’s a rip-off.
“They generated the receipt from the till and handed it to me. The manager also said head office were aware of the bet.
“After the fifth horse won, I asked what my winnings stood at. They said it was more than £5000.
“Coral were aware of their liability all along but, in the end, didn’t want to cough up.
“It’s a disgrace and I want them to pay the full amount. I’ve had a run of bad luck recently and I’m totally skint.”
Last night, a Coral spokesman said: “We’ve looked into this and the most important aspect is that seven selections were written on the betting slip but there were no instructions as to what type of bet the customer wanted.
“There was also a line drawn between the first four selections and next three, which indicates these are separate bets.
“Given the information the customer provided, the decision to settle the bet as a 50p fourfold and a 50p treble is the fairest under the circumstances.
“There is no way – given the line drawn between the top four selections and the bottom three – that the bet could be considered a sevenfold accumulator, regardless of the fact that all seven won. We can only settle bets on the basis of what is written on the betting slip, not on what a customer claims he intended after all the selections have run, and won.
“If the customer is unhappy with the way we have settled the bet, he can take the dispute to the Independent Betting Adjudication Service and we will abide by their verdict on the matter.”A BOOKIE refused to pay out £11,000 to a punter after a seven-race bet came in – because there was a line printed on the betting slip.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bookie-refuses-pay-out-11k-2785642
Bookie refuses to pay out £11k winnings to punter after seven-race bet comes in.. because of line on betting slip
13 Nov 2013 00:01
CORAL in Kilmarnock claim a black line on the betting slip gave them the right to split Ryan Clark's wager into a 50p treble and a 50p fourfold bet - earning him just £116.
A BOOKIE refused to pay out £11,000 to a punter after a seven-race bet came in – because there was a line printed on the betting slip.
Ryan Clark placed a £1 accumulator bet on seven horses at races in Wolverhampton, Plumpton and Kempton Park. They all won, netting him a bumper return of £11,261.
But when he went to collect his winnings at Coral in Kilmarnock, the bookies refused to pay up – and offered him just £116.
Coral claim a black line which appeared on the printed betting slip gave them the right to split his wager into a 50p treble and a 50p fourfold bet – earning him substantially smaller winnings.
But Ryan says his receipt should have entitled him to the big payout.
Dad-of-one Ryan, 37, spent £150 celebrating the “win”. The water company worker also took a week off and believed he could afford to splash out at Christmas.
He also spent £400 in “cover” bets on the last race of his accumulator, protecting himself against all eventualities.
He said: “I’m devastated. I lodged a fair bet and the bookies knew what it was from the outset.
“I wrote the seven horses’ names down and ‘£1’ at the side of the slip. The cashier asked if it was intended as an accumulator and I said it was.
“It went into their system as a sevenfold from the outset. I know this because after the last horse won, I asked for a receipt to show what I would be paid.
“It said it was a £1 accumulator which would pay out £11,000.
“There was a line drawn on the betting slip before I even picked it up. That can happen and it was clarified at the time of the bet.
“They didn’t mention trebles, fourfolds or 50p bets. It’s a rip-off.
“They generated the receipt from the till and handed it to me. The manager also said head office were aware of the bet.
“After the fifth horse won, I asked what my winnings stood at. They said it was more than £5000.
“Coral were aware of their liability all along but, in the end, didn’t want to cough up.
“It’s a disgrace and I want them to pay the full amount. I’ve had a run of bad luck recently and I’m totally skint.”
Last night, a Coral spokesman said: “We’ve looked into this and the most important aspect is that seven selections were written on the betting slip but there were no instructions as to what type of bet the customer wanted.
“There was also a line drawn between the first four selections and next three, which indicates these are separate bets.
“Given the information the customer provided, the decision to settle the bet as a 50p fourfold and a 50p treble is the fairest under the circumstances.
“There is no way – given the line drawn between the top four selections and the bottom three – that the bet could be considered a sevenfold accumulator, regardless of the fact that all seven won. We can only settle bets on the basis of what is written on the betting slip, not on what a customer claims he intended after all the selections have run, and won.
“If the customer is unhappy with the way we have settled the bet, he can take the dispute to the Independent Betting Adjudication Service and we will abide by their verdict on the matter.”A BOOKIE refused to pay out £11,000 to a punter after a seven-race bet came in – because there was a line printed on the betting slip.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bookie-refuses-pay-out-11k-2785642
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Corals rule 3.15
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
They could have given him 110 free 100 quid spins on the roulette machine, that way, they may have got him addicted as well..
why was there a line on his slip ?
speaking as a guy that ran a betting shop a while ago,if a punter picked up a slip with a small mark on it he would chuck it on the floor with a few more then get a new one
!!
speaking as a guy that ran a betting shop a while ago,if a punter picked up a slip with a small mark on it he would chuck it on the floor with a few more then get a new one
!!
Scumbag bookies hope he gets it and the rest.
of all the hundreds of slips in the shop he decided to use one that someone else had drawn a line on.
also only put £1 as the bet ..not putting acc or acca or accumulator.
the facts sound fishy to me.
also only put £1 as the bet ..not putting acc or acca or accumulator.
the facts sound fishy to me.
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Add contact 13 Nov 13 10:30
Corals rule 3.15
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
Surely that is case closed then if they abide by their own rules?? It seems to be a regular thing nowadays that all these books try everything they can to not pay out or pay at reduced odds. It's a disgrace, but as long as the machines are in there they don't want to take anyone on - and who can blame them as nobody in the media will question them about it.
Date Joined: 05 Apr 10
Add contact 13 Nov 13 10:30
Corals rule 3.15
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
Surely that is case closed then if they abide by their own rules?? It seems to be a regular thing nowadays that all these books try everything they can to not pay out or pay at reduced odds. It's a disgrace, but as long as the machines are in there they don't want to take anyone on - and who can blame them as nobody in the media will question them about it.
at least he'll be able to get £20 on their price bomb.....
I wonder if the three had lost , then the 4 fold came in at mental odds would coral have treated it as a sevenfold instead , as there were no instructions
Just another case of bookie looking for a way to avoid paying out , unfair
The rule has always been where no instructions treat as acca , simple
Just another case of bookie looking for a way to avoid paying out , unfair
The rule has always been where no instructions treat as acca , simple
Coral shop rules:
12.4 INCORRECT INSTRUCTIONS
If no instructions are stated against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win Single. However, if two or more selections are involved the bet will be settled as a win Accumulator bet (eg: if there are three selections nominated with a stake of £1, it will be settled as a £1 win Treble. If there are four selections nominated with the instructions £1 win Treble, and a total stake of £1, it will be settled as a £1 win fourfold).
Not really sure how Coral can win this case? Hope the bloke gets paid and get plenty of press coverage on all of the racing media platforms available (of course he will)......
12.4 INCORRECT INSTRUCTIONS
If no instructions are stated against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win Single. However, if two or more selections are involved the bet will be settled as a win Accumulator bet (eg: if there are three selections nominated with a stake of £1, it will be settled as a £1 win Treble. If there are four selections nominated with the instructions £1 win Treble, and a total stake of £1, it will be settled as a £1 win fourfold).
Not really sure how Coral can win this case? Hope the bloke gets paid and get plenty of press coverage on all of the racing media platforms available (of course he will)......
Dad-of-one Ryan, 37, spent £150 celebrating the “win”. The water company worker also took a week off and believed he could afford to splash out at Christmas.
He also spent £400 in “cover” bets on the last race of his accumulator, protecting himself against all eventualities.
AND THEN...
“It’s a disgrace and I want them to pay the full amount. I’ve had a run of bad luck recently and I’m totally skint.”
So is he skint after the celebrations and cover bets or before? Also he took a week off from work. If he was skint he would have needed the payout for his week off! Then he tried to collect after his week off? Lots of creative licence here I reckon.
He also spent £400 in “cover” bets on the last race of his accumulator, protecting himself against all eventualities.
AND THEN...
“It’s a disgrace and I want them to pay the full amount. I’ve had a run of bad luck recently and I’m totally skint.”
So is he skint after the celebrations and cover bets or before? Also he took a week off from work. If he was skint he would have needed the payout for his week off! Then he tried to collect after his week off? Lots of creative licence here I reckon.
went into corals last week, wrote out a bet for £60 win at 6/1 on a horse at kempton, manager checked the price and put it through the till then said i will have to ring up to get the ok to take it.
reply was its now 4/1, you can have that or sp.
told the manager that you had already taken the bet with 6/1 on it and still showing 6/1 on screens. he would not budge, i left without backing it, and of course it won.
reply was its now 4/1, you can have that or sp.
told the manager that you had already taken the bet with 6/1 on it and still showing 6/1 on screens. he would not budge, i left without backing it, and of course it won.
“It went into their system as a sevenfold from the outset. I know this because after the last horse won, I asked for a receipt to show what I would be paid.
“It said it was a £1 accumulator which would pay out £11,000.
The manager has translated this bet as a £1 sevenfold acca and then (under instructions from the area manager or security no doubt) has retranslated it as a 50p treble and a 50p 4 fold.
He has got a receipt proving that, he should be paid.
Coral are no longer a real bookmaking firm. They run a chain of arcades and take the odd small bet. Then try and welch on them when they lose.
I wrote the seven horses’ names down and ‘£1’ at the side of the slip
surely the fact he has written £1 along side his 7 selections would mean an acca, especially with that rule stated above , if he wanted 2 x 50p multiple bets why would he write £1 down the side ?
surely the fact he has written £1 along side his 7 selections would mean an acca, especially with that rule stated above , if he wanted 2 x 50p multiple bets why would he write £1 down the side ?
Ashleigh -- this is shocking practise of the lowest order.Smacks of PP online.Pity you hadn't got your hands on the bet receipt.
One of my biggest laughs of the year was definitely when they did their knackers on Sprinter Sacre at the Festival, then their website crashed so they didn't take a bean on the following handicap won by a 33/1 poke, with the fav nowhere.
Made even more amusing by the fact said handicap was sponsored by...Coral.
Made even more amusing by the fact said handicap was sponsored by...Coral.
This does not surprise me earlier on in year had a nice accumulator come up for an tenner and got accused of
being an cheat when i pointed out i had asked for 2.1 and women did write it down the guy was nothing but
arrogant and rude i did not even start on him either i just pointed out that the return was wrong and he went
off into one.everyone should just stop betting with them full stop let that company bow out of game
being an cheat when i pointed out i had asked for 2.1 and women did write it down the guy was nothing but
arrogant and rude i did not even start on him either i just pointed out that the return was wrong and he went
off into one.everyone should just stop betting with them full stop let that company bow out of game
Another point worth mentioning is the blokes bet history. I would say he must be a habitual multi horse £1 acca punter hoping to cop big for a small outlay. You wouldn't just decide to do a 7 horse acca in my opinion, my guess is it's a regular feature of his punting. Any previous slips with a similar pattern would strengthen his case against these monsters.
Not that it should need strengthening of course, he is being royally stitched up.
Not that it should need strengthening of course, he is being royally stitched up.
I popped into my local Corals shop a bit earlier and out of curiosity wrote out a hypothetical bet exactly the same as the one in question. I gave it to my mate, a manager for them for 12 years and asked how he would translate the slip.
In a flash he said it would be a £1 win acca. When I told him what actually had occurred he stared at me in disbelief thinking I was winding him up. The manager has alerted the traders of a run up bet and when it copped they have thought 'we've got a get out of jail card here with the line'. He has then been told to re-translate it, that's what my mate said has probably happened. If the last leg had lost it would have been an acca and a zero return on the slip.
Ronnie Rails on here is also a Corals manager, it would be interesting to get his opinion.
In a flash he said it would be a £1 win acca. When I told him what actually had occurred he stared at me in disbelief thinking I was winding him up. The manager has alerted the traders of a run up bet and when it copped they have thought 'we've got a get out of jail card here with the line'. He has then been told to re-translate it, that's what my mate said has probably happened. If the last leg had lost it would have been an acca and a zero return on the slip.
Ronnie Rails on here is also a Corals manager, it would be interesting to get his opinion.
scandalous decision by Corals. One can only hope that the negative publicity forces them to change their mind, though I wouldn´t hold my breath...or with IBAS for that matter.
The post title " Fair Play" is a bit misleading...
Like i said if people choose to stop betting with them then they will have to stand up and take notice
make an positive protest that hits them where it hurts them most profit margins from betting.I know
easier said than done many would not care about this guy case i emailed the gambling commission about
what happen to myself with my bet but they couldn't care one bit
make an positive protest that hits them where it hurts them most profit margins from betting.I know
easier said than done many would not care about this guy case i emailed the gambling commission about
what happen to myself with my bet but they couldn't care one bit
Tip it was supposed to be tongue in cheek
hard to believe that they can refuse to pay
only possible reason could be that the punter has bet
trebles and fourfolds like this in the past but that would
not explain why the manager put it through the till as an acca
hard to believe that they can refuse to pay
only possible reason could be that the punter has bet
trebles and fourfolds like this in the past but that would
not explain why the manager put it through the till as an acca
I feel for the bloke and hope he gets paid out ok, but why don't people write a betting slip out properly? These snide bookies (big four) are always looking for a get out clause when an acca comes in.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bookie-refuses-pay-out-11k-2785642
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Corals they even produced a receipt see link above
Absolutely disgusting behaviour from Corals they even produced a receipt see link above
After looking at that link and the betting slip that is disgusting from Corals. They are a disgrace, really hope the guy gets his 11k
The one thing that stands out is he never wrote the times out in order on the bet and the line going across i
do not get why its there is that something he put on the slip? or something that happen on print out when he
got slip back looks more like he drew the line than print out.But in all fairness even there receipt says sevenfold
so proof is in the pudding with there own receipt think he will win his case from looking at that
do not get why its there is that something he put on the slip? or something that happen on print out when he
got slip back looks more like he drew the line than print out.But in all fairness even there receipt says sevenfold
so proof is in the pudding with there own receipt think he will win his case from looking at that
Asking for trouble, not difficult to write accumulator or even an abbreviation of it.
But tbf saddo they say themselves....
Corals rule 3.15
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
Corals rule 3.15
Where NO INSTRUCTIONS are written against a single selection the bet will be settled as a win single. When two or more selections are involved, the bet will be settled as a win accumulator bet.
I would write it regardless, he is probably now wishing he had. An avoidable problem.
corals have cetainly put the staff of this shop in a really difficult position.
I don't think they can avoid paying it but the lazy bugger has only himself to blame for any delay.
He needs to get in the press as much as possible and expose crookals
he is odds on to be paid the full amount and corals are clearly only trying to wriggle their stinking arses out of this bet! there is absolutely no way it can be considered as two bets no matter whether theres a feckking line on the slip or not.
if he had of written 50p and 50p again on the slip then obviously it would be clear twi seperate bets were intended.
where i come from its taken as a given that if you write a sh1tload of selections on a betting slip with just a stake amount beside or below them then it is intended as an accumulator.
if he had of written 50p and 50p again on the slip then obviously it would be clear twi seperate bets were intended.
where i come from its taken as a given that if you write a sh1tload of selections on a betting slip with just a stake amount beside or below them then it is intended as an accumulator.
Will be in paper tomorrow, he is getting paid out the full amount
it's so easy to write ACCA or ACC or ACCUMULATOR or SEVENFOLD on the slip.
Good news Frank, the correct decision, shytsters
Will be in paper tomorrow, he is getting paid out the full amount
Well thank Christ for that, it should never have got this far. The fact is a winning slip was translated correctly and when the area manager/security saw the payout tried to stitch the bloke up by re-settling. Absolutely scandalous behavior.
Like I said earlier today, my mate managing for Corals who knows the industry and their rules inside out was completely flabbergasted when I told him about the bet and what they were trying to do to the chap.
Disgusting, absolutely odious practice by their head office.
Well thank Christ for that, it should never have got this far. The fact is a winning slip was translated correctly and when the area manager/security saw the payout tried to stitch the bloke up by re-settling. Absolutely scandalous behavior.
Like I said earlier today, my mate managing for Corals who knows the industry and their rules inside out was completely flabbergasted when I told him about the bet and what they were trying to do to the chap.
Disgusting, absolutely odious practice by their head office.
They'll have made sure a few more punters put instructions on their bets in future.
It says in the article he saw the line on the slip but wrote the bet anyway? So he didn't want to use any of the other 20,000 clean slips in the shop then no? Idiot
Also as pointed out, skint as f*ck then covers the lot on the last race?
Everyone in this complete non-story is just doing their job, any sort of lines or discrepancy and the bet will have had to be retranslated
Only errors are from the guy for being a lazy c*nt and not writing £1 7-fold
possibly the staff member, when confirming the guy wanted an acca, for not writing it on the hard copy, or even writing it out on a clean slip without a solid line through it
Also as pointed out, skint as f*ck then covers the lot on the last race?
Everyone in this complete non-story is just doing their job, any sort of lines or discrepancy and the bet will have had to be retranslated
Only errors are from the guy for being a lazy c*nt and not writing £1 7-fold
possibly the staff member, when confirming the guy wanted an acca, for not writing it on the hard copy, or even writing it out on a clean slip without a solid line through it
This could just as easily have been Lads, WH or any other. Just how low can those bastards sink?
Having reads the article i am dumbstruck how they cannot pay out on that - A good lawyer should be able to take this to pieces - BBC watchdog maybe interested too - someone at cOrals should be sacked starting with the spokesman.
if it was the other way round then I'm sure Co rals would be accusing the punter of fraud and that's exactly what it is by them
Only Tuesday, I was in one of baldys shops and I wanted to back a dog.
I was in a rush as the race was about to start, wrote out the slip and because the guy on the comms was fancying the 2 and talking about it, I accidently wrote down T2 instead of T5 on my slip.
After paying, I realised literally as the bell was rung I had made the wrong selection.
I desperately asked the manager 'can I change it, I wanted T5'.
He told me with a smug grin, no its to late.
2 won.
He then said you wanted t5, its a non winner.
A quick reminder that I will be back with the lads and he begrudgingly paid me out on the 2.
Why do these brickheads bother? Why would you care? Its not their money, why would they purposely be idiots?
They do seem to breed them in baldys shops, they all seem to be angry with life.
I was in a rush as the race was about to start, wrote out the slip and because the guy on the comms was fancying the 2 and talking about it, I accidently wrote down T2 instead of T5 on my slip.
After paying, I realised literally as the bell was rung I had made the wrong selection.
I desperately asked the manager 'can I change it, I wanted T5'.
He told me with a smug grin, no its to late.
2 won.
He then said you wanted t5, its a non winner.
A quick reminder that I will be back with the lads and he begrudgingly paid me out on the 2.
Why do these brickheads bother? Why would you care? Its not their money, why would they purposely be idiots?
They do seem to breed them in baldys shops, they all seem to be angry with life.
you are right about baldys - infact this thread had all the hallmarks of a betbald shop
They all seem to be miserable aggressive c unts in his shops - and they always seem to bring out the worst in me - they never seem to have any money to pay out with, but no apology or anything. You hand over your slip and they say we haven't got it. No sorry, no clue as to when they will have it - I argue that surely your system would tell you that your shop needs to pay out £x amount so why don't you make sure that you have it in your safe. I may as well talk to myself
Another time I was told that my slip had already been paid out and despite her being unable to say when and in which shop (as I still had the slip, which would have been taken off me if I had collected in that shop) I was told that she would call the police if I didn't leave
They all seem to be miserable aggressive c unts in his shops - and they always seem to bring out the worst in me - they never seem to have any money to pay out with, but no apology or anything. You hand over your slip and they say we haven't got it. No sorry, no clue as to when they will have it - I argue that surely your system would tell you that your shop needs to pay out £x amount so why don't you make sure that you have it in your safe. I may as well talk to myself
Another time I was told that my slip had already been paid out and despite her being unable to say when and in which shop (as I still had the slip, which would have been taken off me if I had collected in that shop) I was told that she would call the police if I didn't leave
dont talk bollucks Dav_vin, On a different note doesnt surprise me,Joe quarrel
'A quick reminder that I will be back with the lads'.....
Have you seen the gels behind Lad brokes counter !
Have you seen the gels behind Lad brokes counter !
don't know about meetin' em down a dark alley... you wouldn't see the phuckin' alley !
I know of him but don't know him ~(if you know what I mean),
he drinks down the high street, sometimes comes into our pub for the quiz.
He was just be an idiot, must wreck your head sitting in baldys shop all day till 9.30pm waiting for the FOBT scallies to finish.
he drinks down the high street, sometimes comes into our pub for the quiz.
He was just be an idiot, must wreck your head sitting in baldys shop all day till 9.30pm waiting for the FOBT scallies to finish.
Why is there a space in that 'what if receipt' between the bank of 2, and the bank of 4 selections?
yes i noticed that gap maybe the software only does it chunks of four before insertin a line break to allow easier reading quite possible.
anyone work at crookals and able to give more info about the story?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bookie-refuses-pay-out-11k-2785642
He has been weighed in.
He has been weighed in.
Their adverts used to say Never a quarrel bet with Joe Coral.
is there a bit missing from this statement
I know this because after the last horse won, I asked for a receipt to show what I would be paid.( if I had done a 7fold)
If the bet was initially settled as 2 bets; treble and 4fold
could the cashier then re-do the bet for him as if it was a 7fold just to show him and let him brag to his mates
and revert the bet back to the origional afterwards?
Is it possible to play around with the computer like this?
I know this because after the last horse won, I asked for a receipt to show what I would be paid.( if I had done a 7fold)
If the bet was initially settled as 2 bets; treble and 4fold
could the cashier then re-do the bet for him as if it was a 7fold just to show him and let him brag to his mates
and revert the bet back to the origional afterwards?
Is it possible to play around with the computer like this?
M T, if you look at my link it was translated as a 7 fold acca and subsequently changed when the last horse won. There is a copy of his bet and print out of the original translation on that link.
m t do you think betting shop staff have nothing better to do than make up mythical betting slips letting customers know as they say in bullseye "this is wot ya wuda won" ye tit ye!!
corals tried to fleece him plain and simple and when they realised they didnt have a leg to stand on the grudgingly paid out!
corals tried to fleece him plain and simple and when they realised they didnt have a leg to stand on the grudgingly paid out!
I'm still not getting this. Just read the article as first published. "I asked how much my winnings stood at when the 5th selection won and was told over £5000" or words to that effect. That was the amount after the 6th selection obliged. Why can't they just report a story correctly?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/punter-picks-up-11261-winnings-2789151
Paid out at last
Paid out at last
No posts as soon as punter gets paid out what a surprise
Fair play to Coral for realising their error imo
what a surpriseFair play to Coral for realising their error imo
They realised their error before the last selection won and tried to pull a fly move
Only paid out because they knew they would get bad publicity and have to pay out eventually anyway, shytsers
Only paid out because they knew they would get bad publicity and have to pay out eventually anyway, shytsers
Flemenstar I don't think its fair play at all - I think they were really trying to defraud that guy on the smallest technicality. The guy who decided on the £116 payout should really be sacked it's such an appalling piece of customer miss management that it beggars belief. Even the weasly words used when paying him out sound as though its done through clenched teeth.
Flemenstar. In a week where Fraudy's polluting the forum with his bullsh1t every few minutes, you have in fact beat him to the most stupid post of the week.
The other tw@t holds the next 9 places though, and I have no doubt he will probably outdo you before the week's up.
The other tw@t holds the next 9 places though, and I have no doubt he will probably outdo you before the week's up.
having looked at the ticket , and seeing the space after the first 3 horses, the line that is clearly written across the ticket before the next 4 horses and the total lack of instructions you can see corals point
The lucky bloke should NEVER be allowed to have another bet ...
If he is that LAZY and DIM enough to NOT simply add/write 'ACC' on his bet.
If he is that LAZY and DIM enough to NOT simply add/write 'ACC' on his bet.
Doesn't matter. Rules are rules and IBAS would have made them pay out, without doubt.
Direct quotes from Coral:
Wednesday: “There is no way – given the line drawn between the top four selections and the bottom three – that the bet could be considered a sevenfold accumulator"
Thursday: “We’d like to congratulate him, wish him the best of luck spending his winnings and apologise for the fact that he has had to endure a painful delay in receiving those winnings.”
Wednesday: “There is no way – given the line drawn between the top four selections and the bottom three – that the bet could be considered a sevenfold accumulator"
Thursday: “We’d like to congratulate him, wish him the best of luck spending his winnings and apologise for the fact that he has had to endure a painful delay in receiving those winnings.”
Scum.
will they name which liability trader decided to screw over a customer?
Will IBAS investigate?
will they name which liability trader decided to screw over a customer?
Will IBAS investigate?
Makes you wonder how many we don't hear about where people just accept payment and walk away
carrot1690 the "total lack of instructions" as you put it is precisely the reason why the bet should be settled as an accumulator.
corals behaviour in this matter is sadly typical of the betting industry at present.its akin to being caught shoplifting and then claiming you were only testing security.
nsideinfo 14 Nov 13 21:07
carrot1690 the "total lack of instructions" as you put it is precisely the reason why ...
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... Some people should NOT be allowed to bet.
carrot1690 the "total lack of instructions" as you put it is precisely the reason why ...
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... Some people should NOT be allowed to bet.
you are taking it out of context onlooker.as i stated earlier on this thread where i come from a list of selections followed simply by a skate amount is implied as an accumulator...
now if the guy had for example written 5 selections and no instructions and then claimed he wanted a lucky 31 or a heinz then thats a totally different matter.
in the corals case the customer is entirely in the right!
as for some people not being allowed to bet i agree,the poor souls who are allowed to lose their wages/savings etc on the wretched FOBTS
now if the guy had for example written 5 selections and no instructions and then claimed he wanted a lucky 31 or a heinz then thats a totally different matter.
in the corals case the customer is entirely in the right!
as for some people not being allowed to bet i agree,the poor souls who are allowed to lose their wages/savings etc on the wretched FOBTS
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Your totally Parochial reply is NO justification, whatsoever.
To say .... "where i come from a list of selections followed simply by a stake amount is implied as an accumulator..." - implies, and indicates, that everyone, "where i come from," need NOT write ANY instructions, on ANY bet - because EVERYONE, " where i come from, " - [b]understands what is MEANT.
You might as well also say that .... "where i come from" - everyone believes that the moon is made of green cheese'.
SAME argument - SAME 'logic'.
Your totally Parochial reply is NO justification, whatsoever.
To say .... "where i come from a list of selections followed simply by a stake amount is implied as an accumulator..." - implies, and indicates, that everyone, "where i come from," need NOT write ANY instructions, on ANY bet - because EVERYONE, " where i come from, " - [b]understands what is MEANT.
You might as well also say that .... "where i come from" - everyone believes that the moon is made of green cheese'.
SAME argument - SAME 'logic'.
as Coral finally paid out...I will give them a well done for that
SlippyBlue
13 Nov 13 15:26
Another point worth mentioning is the blokes bet history. I would say he must be a habitual multi horse £1 acca punter hoping to cop big for a small outlay.
I agree 'Slips' ! the punters habit & bet history is the key to the truth here.
Heres a couple of the comments after the article kindly linked above by alwaypunting 13 Nov 13 18:14 which has the photo.
Frank Lundy
3:29 AM on 14/11/2013
Some people saying he has been paid out? If he has, he has just pulled a massive stroke and im amazed Coral have fell for it. Maybe the publicity has got him it and I genuinely hope it has, as its nice to see the bookies get cheated for a change.
But he full well knows he put that line to split the bet, 50p 4 fold and 50p treble. I know this because the prices, its no coincidence that the line comes after 3 pricers at 11/2, 9/2 and 4/1, and after the line, 4 short prices at Evs, 2/1, 2/1 and 5/2. Had the evens shot been above the line where there was ample space to fit 4 horses, he could have argued the line was to split the meetings as the evens shot was the same meeting as the 3 pricers, but it wasnt, because his intention was to split the bet.
As I say, nice to see the bookies get cheated, but dont for one minute doubt this guy was a chancer, I would love to see the evidence of his £400 in cover bets but they did not exist, lets not kid ourselves on.
Danielle Puleston
8:58 AM on 14/11/2013
I work in a betting shop and I would split that. To me that looks like two separate bets, that's why customers draw lines like that, it is clearly not a seven fold bed. He was just trying to be sly in my opinion.
Regardless Joke Corals are bound and hoisted by their own rules as said before.
13 Nov 13 15:26
Another point worth mentioning is the blokes bet history. I would say he must be a habitual multi horse £1 acca punter hoping to cop big for a small outlay.
I agree 'Slips' ! the punters habit & bet history is the key to the truth here.
Heres a couple of the comments after the article kindly linked above by alwaypunting 13 Nov 13 18:14 which has the photo.
Frank Lundy
3:29 AM on 14/11/2013
Some people saying he has been paid out? If he has, he has just pulled a massive stroke and im amazed Coral have fell for it. Maybe the publicity has got him it and I genuinely hope it has, as its nice to see the bookies get cheated for a change.
But he full well knows he put that line to split the bet, 50p 4 fold and 50p treble. I know this because the prices, its no coincidence that the line comes after 3 pricers at 11/2, 9/2 and 4/1, and after the line, 4 short prices at Evs, 2/1, 2/1 and 5/2. Had the evens shot been above the line where there was ample space to fit 4 horses, he could have argued the line was to split the meetings as the evens shot was the same meeting as the 3 pricers, but it wasnt, because his intention was to split the bet.
As I say, nice to see the bookies get cheated, but dont for one minute doubt this guy was a chancer, I would love to see the evidence of his £400 in cover bets but they did not exist, lets not kid ourselves on.
Danielle Puleston
8:58 AM on 14/11/2013
I work in a betting shop and I would split that. To me that looks like two separate bets, that's why customers draw lines like that, it is clearly not a seven fold bed. He was just trying to be sly in my opinion.
Regardless Joke Corals are bound and hoisted by their own rules as said before.
The slip was clear in instuctions,just sanother bookmaker attempt to screw a punter(we can all see)
Try not to bet in shops these days but will pop in to watch however don't the numpties behind the counter ever read the slip before putting it on? Sadly seems to have been a general decline is staff quality last few years everywhere some firms lot worse than others I might add and most can't or don't give a hootie and probably to do with low pay no bonuses and single manning and extra hours and are some real mad customers some who you see talking and making strange noises to FOBTS who really should be in the loonie bin and were probably pre - FOBTS and to be fair offices are just glorified arcades now without soul. Great days are sadly gone. Watched this guy goz on the FOBT start button he was playing when he did his loads of dosh. Did they throw him out .. gave him a complimentary cup of coffee.
Not heard about the Betfred pensioner case for a while, think his was for over 40k? Did he get paid?
onlooker im saying "where i come from" because anyone i know would percieve the bet to be an accumulator,without instructions written on the slip i dont believe the bet can be interpreted in anyother way surely???
irrespective of what me or you think on the matter its clear from the CORAL RULES that someone posted on the thread that the bet should be settled as an acca given the lack of instruction.
IMHO corals were trying it on and if the customer had of simply took it on the chin instead of objecting they would of happily robbed him of his 11k winnings,thats the sad thing!
irrespective of what me or you think on the matter its clear from the CORAL RULES that someone posted on the thread that the bet should be settled as an acca given the lack of instruction.
IMHO corals were trying it on and if the customer had of simply took it on the chin instead of objecting they would of happily robbed him of his 11k winnings,thats the sad thing!
Nov 15, 2013 -- 6:24AM, metro john wrote:
The slip was clear in instuctions,just sanother bookmaker attempt to screw a punter(we can all see)
more than that the subsequent conversation while the bet is in progress removes any possible doubt that both parties agreed that the bet was a sevenfold. If the firms head office were "aware of the bet" while in progress and subsequently tried to renege there is actually a case that they should be charged with a criminal offence.
AND TO DO THAT THE MAN HOURS AND THE COST AND ALSO GET THE FIRM TO ADMIT TO IT WOULD BE VERY VERY VERY UNLIKEL;Y ...................THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A DOUBT........DO YOU THINK THAT CORALS (GRANADA) WOULD SERIUOSLY GO OUT THERE WAY TO ROB THE GUY
Nov 15, 2013 -- 9:37AM, Chris B wrote:
Not heard about the Betfred pensioner case for a while, think his was for over 40k? Did he get paid?
any news?
Re. the Betfred pensioner, IBAS are still debating it after 4 months and it will be at least another 5 weeks until a ruling is issued.
But Betfred may be embarrassed into paying out before IBAS rule, as it will almost certainly be in the national press in the next few days.
But Betfred may be embarrassed into paying out before IBAS rule, as it will almost certainly be in the national press in the next few days.
He caught them a beaut by getting them to print out a "what if" at 18:34 and hour after the last horse had won. I don't think he was at it personally but by getting the what if receipt Koralscum had no chance
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