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02 Nov 13
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Took the Mackinnon and £365k back to England :D
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brigust will have been up all night, scouring the Aussie formbook for the last 2 years, in order to drag the race down as low as he can get it.
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The sad thing is I bet none of you guys put your money where your mouths are. And Ged if you can't read the formbook wtf are you doing on a racing forum?
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I'm only here to highlight your lifelong campaign to drag down every horse that runs against any horse that is put up as a rival to BG. Are you going to hand on the torch to your son when you're gone?
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I do hope I am wrong but I get the feeling that the terrierlike Brigust1 did not follow up on Side Glance.
Incidentally Brigust 1 did you find your guitar? |
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well done Side Glance
poses the question for me, if Side Glance could travel abroad why not Frankel himself  |
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good w/e so far for British trained runners
after 3 in last nights Breeders shows you what a little 'bottle' can do |
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Hi Dun
I did follow up on Side Glance. I think I put forward a good reason why I thought he would win the Cox Plate but Craig Williams din't know him and it was much better race than the McKinnon. I took 18.5 on here and 4 the place. It was a gimme. I did buy a guitar for my boy it is a Tanglewood Dreadnought. I think! It was a display guitar and cost £298. |
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Rule Britannia.
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Well done Brigust1 . Profit before prejudice makes sense.
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Bet Side Glance in the Cox, Williams was very easy on him when winning chance had gone, new there was another agenda, very angry I missed him last night What price ?
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Beaten 4 lengths by a 92 rated 3yo maiden.... Hmmmmmm
Then beat a mistimed run from a 108 rater by less than a length. So yes, boosted the opinion of frankel being a mid 130 horse. WD |
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yep...Williams rancid jockey! Strangling poor Side Glance in the Cup. Gooo Jamie showing them how its done....video below...gave it some after the line :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTtLAsB6qxI |
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BJT, you seem to be saying that the Aussie Group 1s are not worthy of the name. Seems strange to have 2 group 1 10 furlong races within a week.
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You sound a touch bitter BJT, seething even?
I was wondering which you did first when seeing Side Glance win here, kick the cat or smash the telly or was it a case of smashing the telly by kicking the cat through it! Nice to see those cherries are still being picked, the head being buried in the sand and the hypercritical double standards at play again, where once more you ignore that fact that maiden also beat all of your other horses. Why don't you tell us the total number of Aussie Gr1 winners that were behind Side Glance in both races over there and then how many Gr1s the horse won here? Still, you've always got the rugby at Twick.....oops. |
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Cantthinkofaclevername • November 2, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
BJT, you seem to be saying that the Aussie Group 1s are not worthy of the name. Seems strange to have 2 group 1 10 furlong races within a week. A lot of our G1 races are not worthy of the title, and like you say 2 G1 10 furlong races within a week is the reason. But the race yesterday named the LKS Mckinnon stks used to primarily be a lead up race to the MC, as the train of thought was that you had to race on the Saturday before the Tuesday, and then it was unofficially known as the practice stakes, as most were trying to have as quiet a run as possible |
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It's the same here. Too many Group 1 races. The form is devalued. In 1972 there was only one Group 1 in the 5 days racing now there are eight.
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^^at Royal Ascot
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I am not sure how Side Glance victory improves Frankel's form anyway
his defeats by Frankel were over 8f, and last year, todays win was over 10f, his best distance looked slightly u/l 3rd in Arlington million earlier this year |
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brigrust1, all the black type is good for the breeders. Since Chris Waller has been purchasing UK tried stayers and winning with nearly all of them (and he has bought plenty) it no doubt had an effect on yearling sales out here to a degree as the owners of those imports only have so much money to spend on horseflesh each year, so what does the Aus pattern committee do, they upgrade a stack of races, some up to listed, some from G3 to G2, G2 to G1 etc, and guess what, every race that was upgrading was 8 furlongs or less in distance, who was that going to help? Only the breeders. Yet logic would say that thanks to European imports our staying ranks have never been stronger, so you would think if any races were going to get an upgrade, logic says it would have to be our staying races, but would be even worse for our breeders and we can't have that can we ffs
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The 7 day back-up prob helped the horse settle. It won 2 starts in 2011 off an 11 and 12 day back up.
Pity I didn't notice this before the race.  |
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How could you miss that AFL?
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Easy.....because i'm not a racing aficionado.
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Not typing it out again.
Congratulations to you on such a monumental moment in your life. Well done. |
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Only a small minority question whats plain as the nose on their faces and they are a small bunch of straw clutchers. Flat racing could do with a few more Frankels, instead of this years inconsistent "superstars" like Toronado, Dawn Approach, Al Kazeem, Dec of War for example that can't sustain that level consistently. It was just a shame that Farh was injury prone as he would have dominated the 1mile to 1mile2 division and further enhanced this impressive form line the greatest has set.
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In answer to your first comment Layboy 'You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time'.
I agree with your other comments that we could do with more Frankel's and that this year's 3 year olds do not look like superstars. However to suggest Farhh would win everything when he clearly couldn't beat Moonlight Cloud is a bit silly. To, on the one hand, criticise a horse that did run every chance he could and won a classic among his 4 Group 1 wins, then claim a horse who didn't run very often and won only 2 Group 1's is a bit misguided and totally disingenuous. The 3 best horses Frankel beat won 8 Group 1's between them from about 80 starts with the only Classic win being a German 2000 Gns. Yet the horses you criticise have won 7 Group 1's between them from only 30 races. And I suggest they will sail miles part the achievements of the 3 best horses Frankel beat before they end their racing careers. So in your words if these are just inconsistent 'superstars' what in the name of anything do you think Cirrus des Aigles, Farhh an Excelebration represent? In fact you are clearly a leader in the straw clutchers fan club. |
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Brigust, Dawn Approach and Al Kazeem have gone to stud so their track achievements are over. It's left to Toronado and DOW (who may even stay in the USA on dirt) of the 4 pre-mentioned to fly the milers flag, but I would back a fit Farhh over any of these over 8f on decent ground. I don't think he gets the credit he deserved, mainly because he was so lightly raced due to injuries.
Frankel brushed him aside with ease at Goodwood and taking race form 'literally' by using Exelebration as a yardstick, Frankel would have beaten last nights twice BC winner (and currently best miler in the world) by 9L  |
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As for Farhh not beating Moonlight Cloud, you are correct, but he was only beaten a head giving her 4 lbs on an away track that she runs well on. Prior to that Exelebration had given her 3 lbs and beaten her almost 2L, although I agree she didn't have the best of luck in running, but wouldn't have won.
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just agreeing , too much group1s in uk now
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We will have to agree to disagree Andrew. Farhh didn't win a classic. His stable only thought he was good enough for handicaps then they found the mile scene was so weak they had no other option.
Your Moonlight Cloud theory is clearly flawed. She was beaten by Caspar Netscher ffs in the Marois and she murdered him next time out in the Moulin. These Group 1 races are so weak only one or two horses can win them. How many times will you look back at potentially the best horse in Europe as winning the Thirsk Hunt Cup and beating horses like Gabrial, Roayh, Osteopathic Remedy, Reliable Man, Sarkyla and Soveriegn Debt. I think the problem is you are ignoring these races while elevating his runs behind Frankel and his Champion Stakes win. In the Champion Stakes he beat a horse who hasn't won a Group 1 all season, and who has only won 3 Group 1's from 55 starts and the third horse, Ruler of the World, who had just run in the Arc. ROTW had the worst run of the race and the only Group 1 he has won, the Derby, the first 10 home including him have not won a race of any note since. |
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And I have just read your 9 length comment Andrew. That's very disingenuous you know. You are electing the only time Excelebration obviously ran well below form to prove your point. You are better than that. Do I think Frankel would beat Wise Dan? In a heartbeat.
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We will have to agree to disagree Andrew. Farhh didn't win a classic.
Correct Brigust, but there's a very good reason for that - he didn't run in one, in fact he didn't make his debut until almost end of July when there was only the Leger left anyway and he obviously wasn't going for that. As for running in handicaps, yes in his 2nd and 3rd races, the latter winning by an impressive 6L under 9.7 (top weight and giving 9 lbs to the runner up) at 5/4F. In these 3 races he was also unbeaten. He was then pitched directly into Group 1 company (in only his 4th race) where he was an unlucky 3rd behind SYT, with group winners behind him. As for my 9L comment, there was wink behind it. |
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And Farhh is rated higher than Royal Palace for example. Unbeaten top 2 year old. Winner of the 2000 Gns, Derby and odds on fav for St Leger but missed due to injury. As a 4 year old unbeaten in 5 starts winning the Prince of Wales, Eclipse and King George. In the Eclipse he beat the 2000 Gns and Derby winner who was then 2nd in the Arc, won the Champion Stakes and the Washington Int.
How does that compare with winning handicaps, 2nd in the Eclipse, 2nd in the Juddmonte, 2nd in the Moulin, 2nd in the Sussex, 3rd in the POW. Won the Lockinge and the Champion Stakes? And I have listed the horses he has beaten. You are being conned my friend. The joint best horse in the world is Cirrus des Aigles. Won 3 Group 1's in 55 starts. And those 3 wins are all hugely suspect. He beat St Nic at Meydan luckily, he beat SYT and Snow Fairy in the Champion and they had just run in the Arc. And he beat a miler over 11f on heavy ground in the Ganay. Even the races he has won are not the very top Group 1 races. One wasn't even in existence in the 70's and 80's. It's a complete joke. And the other highest rated horse Excelebration won 3 Gr1's beating Rio de la Plata and Cityscape ffs. You are being conned my friend. |
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i enjoy these threads
however for all the fluff spoken , Brigust is never pulled up for blatantly going against his argument and posting toe curling aftertiming of bets he has had on horses that he uses to bash Frankels achievements with. Excelebration in the hottest Marios for decades being my personal favourite, now a nod to Side Glance in one of these rotten Aussie practice stakes. To me it undermines his whole blinkered argument and also casts a light on how his mind works. |
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And the other highest rated horse Excelebration won 3 Gr1's beating Rio de la Plata and Cityscape ffs.
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So the Marois is a crap race now. That's even worse. But I think beating Cityscape who has one Group 1 win in Meydan beating the 2nd and 3rd who hadn't won a Group race between them from his 25 starts, plus being beaten at Handicap, Listed and Group 2 level constitutes hot form. The 3rd horse home was Elusive Kate who has never won against the boys and Caspar Netscher was 4th. You work it out.
So Corbiewood why not attack the form instead of me? If it is so selective why not put your side forward? It must be so easy for you and then see if I can pick holes in it. I won't attack you though. OK? You see you only have a go at me. Why not address the issues if I am so wrong? |
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your missing the point
im saying you contradict everything you post with the horrendous aftertiming posts letting everyone know that you ve backed these horses (Excel / PJLM) despite slamming them and the form that relates to Frankel. Are you denying you posted that you did indeed back Excel in the PJLM? it feels a gag defense mechanism to me. |
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brigust1
03 Nov 13 11:57 Joined: 07 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 7,263 | Blogger: brigust1's blog In answer to your first comment Layboy 'You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time'. I agree with your other comments that we could do with more Frankel's and that this year's 3 year olds do not look like superstars. However to suggest Farhh would win everything when he clearly couldn't beat Moonlight Cloud is a bit silly. To, on the one hand, criticise a horse that did run every chance he could and won a classic among his 4 Group 1 wins, then claim a horse who didn't run very often and won only 2 Group 1's is a bit misguided and totally disingenuous. The 3 best horses Frankel beat won 8 Group 1's between them from about 80 starts with the only Classic win being a German 2000 Gns. Yet the horses you criticise have won 7 Group 1's between them from only 30 races. And I suggest they will sail miles part the achievements of the 3 best horses Frankel beat before they end their racing careers. So in your words if these are just inconsistent 'superstars' what in the name of anything do you think Cirrus des Aigles, Farhh an Excelebration represent? In fact you are clearly a leader in the straw clutchers fan club. Frankel smashed St Nicholas Abbey by 7 lengths at York and he has won 6 GR1's alone. After Excelebration's connections finally realised they were wasting their time taking on Frankel after he gave him an 11 length smashing, he raced 3 times, winning 2 Group 1's and then a 4th after traveling all the way to America. Take away Frankel and he would have won 5 Group 1's himself. For me Frankel's performances were awesome. |