Standard ew terms not being enforced cheltenham

Come on then,spill the beans.

you have to say more than that , max , did anyone see a ring manager at any time after pitching up.?

I DIDNT ATTEND,BUT THE RULE IS IF THE OFFENDER/S STOOD IN A TOP 20 PICK THEN RULE NOT ENFORCED,IF ITS A KHAZI PICK OFFENDER WARNED OFF 1,O1 OFFENDING BOOK BET IN THE TOP TWENTY.

16 RUNNER HANDICAP REDUCED TO 15 SEVERAL BOOKS STILL DISPLAYING ONE FIFTH THE ODDS UP UNTIL THE OFF

putting the equipment in that tent also wasn't enforced.

Could it have been a genuine mistake though? you can have the wrong sign up but still be betting correct,did you see a ticket with 1/5 odds maxed?

I was about to say that ribero1.  Provided the tickets were issued with the correct terms, we can all make mistakes with changing signs.

I don't know how this works with the RDT system. do you have to change things manually  ?
with the superior exante system once you withdraw a horse it resets to 1/4 odds automatically

did not have time to go playing ring manager/but this will spread if not nipped in bud

It does with RDT adge.

then it sounds as though it would be a signage thing then ribero.

I had to change the place terms manually after the horse was withdrawn {rdt}I must admit I thought it would do it automatically.i can only speak of tatts but the brm did have to tell one book to change his terms I do really think knowing the firm it was a genuine mistake.

Unless maxed knows more?

took the time to change signage to 3 places a fifth.also displayed onboard which then prints on ticket

Guilty as charged then.

15 RUNNER HANDICAP 1/5,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BOYSPS PUT YOUR BFAIR BROLLY DOWN ITS NOT RAINING!

UTTER DISGRACE

1.01 BEEN TAKEN!

1.01 BEEN TAKEN!

Brm's to busy checking their place-pot perms and demanding mush's to be lowered.

I believe that we are talking about the best mate enclosure.
the BRM will pop over to pitch in and then go back over to tatts for his coffee and biscuits and would never be seen again

ribero

did you enjoy your day watching ruk ?

On a separate subject, a Rails bookmaker was not allowed to bet at Kelso yesterday as he had not submitted his registration forms.

Arguably too much racing jimnast,i always try a few things in running when at home (only in a small way)but never seem to do any good on a busy Saturday!Murtagh has been amazing this season hasn't he and as I've always been a Hughes fan enjoyed Olympic Glory,interesting to see dettori in the winners enclosure,looks as though he's dropped on a good job there,also saw a very good interview with Andrew Tinkler on replay this morning,seems a good bloke.

Sounds like something Norrie would forget to do itk?

ribero watching Olympic glory makes you realise how good moonlight cloud is,i thought the champion stakes was the best flat race I have seen for many years,pleased for ascot they got such a spectacle in there first year without frankel.

Yes got it in one. I don't think he was there himself but his team couldn't bet.

as a matter of interest with the current rdt system if u change the place terms to 1/5 th odds for a 16 runner handicap and there is a late withdrawal to reduce it to 15 runners the rdt system will default to 1/5 th odds 1/2/3

I understand this will be fixed in the new year when the latest version comes out

Rails bookmaker at redcar also using a betfair brolly

rlyl

that is exactly what happens.

Shows what I know about the computer then!

best keeping it that way ribero that computer does far to much now.

interesting point rhyl

so why can't RDT do anything about it until the new year
you lads pay them enough !!

after having monthly updates a couple of years ago it was suggested they do an annual
'big fix' ~ one would presume this will also remove the 1/6th 1/7th etc from the system as well

perhaps while they are at it they can remove 17/4 30/1 122/1 etc.

perhaps they can incorporate a "bet to decent figures" button too.

also rdt customers have found it very easy to adjust the terms when betting 1/5th ew in four horse races etc. no excuse for not altering ew terms on withdrawals to fit the rules.

Give a reason why you won't use decimal prices,and,at the same time,give you a wider price range within exchange parameters.
  Example,the guy next to you is showing 4/1,why not go 4.1,or4.2,in order to be competitive,and get the punters shopping around,like in the good old days of not so long ago.
It will make interesting reading to see why it won't be done.

it is unbiased , sadly , some do go 17/4 [ 4.25 to you ]

But it is outdated,in this decimal age.When in the ring ,and all are 4/1,and I see one book going 4.1,or4.2,he will get my bet.Yes ,I know you had a joke of an experimental day's trial,which was a total farce,but going 4.2 is easily readable,whereas 17/4  to many means?

i would have thought that going 4.3 instead of 100-30 would be beneficial to bookie and easier to understand from the punters eye......3.70 in stead of 11-4 the same and so on

and i would have thought that instead of 60 years plus members of the b.p.a. taking OUR industry forward  when there on there last legs with the game is not exactly the way forward

I was there and punting in Tatts. I bet on the race in question e/w before the horse was withdrawn. Went for the best price and forgot to check e/w terms       
Definitely got a ticket saying 1/5th odds 1-2-3-4

lol johnny , I do have one of those prices [ but only one ] available in my computer.
a do go 21/10 occasionally , mainly because I don't like 85/40

bookmakers still out there happy to fk everybody including the punter ,,,,lol a very apt reply adge

The BRM had to ask 14 bookmakers to bet to the correct place terms in Tatts and 4 on the rails. Many were still priced up with the horse which had been withdrawn even No 1 on rails was betting to wrong terms. I do not believe it was deliberate. The storm that descended on Cheltenham at the time of withdrawn announcement, made it difficult for bookmakers to hear and the computer operators seemed slow to change terms.

i'm really quite amazed to hear that the terms don't automatically default back to 1/4 123 with RDT.

now if they weren't changed to 1/5 in the first place that would solve the problem...........

Could it have been a genuine mistake though? you can have the wrong sign up but still be betting correct,did you see a ticket with 1/5 odds maxed?

Sounds like a genuine mistake, you fcukers don't miss anything, every tiny percentage
is mapped, every trick in the book used. Are you suggesting your buddies weren't aware they were betting
1/5 of odds, it's not likely is it, maybe it was banks. You're all descended from the shelvey family
The Peaky Blinders have nothing on you fcukers

spot on , intheknow , but the software being changed by RDT is the part I have a problem with.
and the default not to be put right until January ? come on , pull the other one.

unbiased - your comment about decimal odds is ridiculous! you are claiming it would be like the good old days of a competitive ring. is this the good old days of betting to figures circa 4/5% a runner pre exchange. wake up and smell the coffee .... oncourse punters have never had it so good!!

oncourse punters get great value - great prices with no commission, good service by most books,very rarely knocked back to the extent of high street shops, place bets of substantial amounts without liquidity problems thrown up by exchange markets. come on enjoy it while it lasts lads befor the books wake up!

I agree with adge, for Rdt to leave such a basic bug in the system for so long is very poor. I have been using Elite for the last two years who have their own in house programmer and this would have been fixed overnight.

Great News about AGT creating 2 lists at Aintree - a Grand National List & an OFF List. Who on earth would want to buy an off pitch at aintree - 3 men and a dog attend the off meetings there and that's when they use to give free tickets based on Grand National Sales.

Why dont they split Cheltenham Festival into 2 lists March Festival & Paddy Power.

I think Aintree are under the impression that there are loads of bookmakers that want to go to the off meetings if tey had a better number :D  I assume this has come from those with the better numbers who want to sell the 'off' before anyone realises how bad it is.  To be honest they could lump the Thursday of the national meeting in with the 'off' as well.

The "off" in the good positions used to be very good until the new stand was built which now encourages everyone to bet with the 7 in the county stand which consequently are very good.

BUY ONE GET ONE FREE

PICK 1 OFF THE SAME AS PICK 100,BOTH NEXT TO WORTHLESS!

I'm sure you will be giving your Hexham mate a call, "any work this weekend guv'

Those who buy a festival & an off pitch will have to pay 2 Marketing Fees

If they don't get you one way, they'll try another!

Typicalreply,as fully expected,from racingsnake re. using decimal odds in order to avoid the big price gap between say 4/1 and 5/1.
A bookmaker MAY want to lay said horse,and get it in his book,and therefore wants to go 4.1,or 4.2,rather than 9/2,and,at the same time ,be shorter on one of the unner runners.This wouldn't,contrary to racingsnake's opinion,alter the percentage in the book,just give a bit of variation.
If bookmakers are unable to see this,then that is their problem.
By the way,racingsnake's reference to the old days,and 4%-5% a runner,he couldn't have spent much time in the ring,as betting "overbroke" was a common occurence,often due to bookmakers betting to ther opinion!
  Decimal adds ARE needed,in order to bring bookmaking into the modern age,that we are living in.
Every bookmaker ,or nearly all,are staring into their PC at decimal odds,because that is what the exchanges use,and what the modern punter understands.The nanny goat is also decimal.

*other runners

SPOT ON RACING SNAKE.PUNTERS NEVER EVER HAD IT SO GOOD

I trust that everyone gets paid out at 1/4 in the last at Yarmouth but I fear that they won't due to the RDT position

Not too important adge - there's hardly a soul there.

adge

they can do what they want its an arc course rules don't come in till jan 1st.

in fairness to the Yarmouth books the vast majority do it right anyway.

swings and rounabouts our friends might mistakenly pay out on 4 places when they dont realise a field has been reduced from 16 to 15,
suprised the machines didnt revert to a seventh the odds,

the date you joined this forum sums you up.

unbiased - are you a book or a punter?
if your a book just do it! chalk up ya 4.1s and 4.2s but don't be surprised if people haven't got a clue what your doing. if ya desperate to get it in the book just go the half point bigger. the fractional odds are traditional and work fine in my opinion. what next books pricing 4.15 etc etc. its a debate that can run and I cant be arsed to chat about the subject anymore but don't think its the solution - modernisation isn't always a good thing!!!
however I am sensing that you are a punter and if so like I say ride the wave of oncourse value my friend

I,m a punter racing snake,and the sooner you lot join the 21st century the better.Do you really think all these fractional odds are punter friendly in this day and age?  19/4 17/4 15/4 14/5 13/5 etc

punter friendly is important in my opinion and would never do half points above the 17/2 (that's 8.5-1 if you are stuggling)and certainly none of the examples you posted.

I think we all agree on that one , mmm , the sooner they are banned the better.
as for the 4.1 , 4.2 , 4.3 etc ...these have been tried and the racecourse punters ignored them [ didn't have a clue what they mean't ]
yes , those using betfair do , but they are a tiny minority of the punters in this country

struggling

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the date you joined this forum sums you up

i would imagine you are as much a gymnast as i am a chav.your idea of gymnastics would be getting into the car in the morning

/afternoon

Lets just call it 9.5 rs.
and it was never a fair trial they gave it adge,putting 3.5 on the board for 7/2 was never going to work when 4.5 is much more appealing.

are you a mathmatical bookie

or do you recognise an edge

chavman your not far out with that one.

I know it wasn't anything more than a token experiment but put two bookmakers next to one another with 7/2 on one and 4.5 on the other and ask the public to say which is biggest how many would say that they are both the same... 5% maybe

good man