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First I want to say I love Aussie racing and watch it whenever I can. However, I do find it difficult to understand the concept of a Group 1 handicap. I understood that the pattern was designed to find the best of the breed, so how can a handicap work with that concept. Isn't it like giving unseeded players in a grand slam tennis tournament a set start?
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
I think the number you were searching for was 0 mugsy when I asked you how many Gr1s Sea Moon had won. 
And so what if Sea Moon beat Al Kazeem, have you ever heard of a horse improving with age like Al Kazeem has (you probably have but failed to retain that info) but that would still be the same Al Kazeem that has now been beaten in the Juddmonte, Irish Champion and Arc in its last 3 starts because top Gr1 here in Europe actually take some winning.
If you think Frankel was a mudlark that just show what a complete and utter bellend you are (not that it was ever in doubt anyway) and two of the horse's narrowest victories were on Soft ground where only its class allowed it to still win despite that.
And so what if Sea Moon beat Al Kazeem, have you ever heard of a horse improving with age like Al Kazeem has (you probably have but failed to retain that info) but that would still be the same Al Kazeem that has now been beaten in the Juddmonte, Irish Champion and Arc in its last 3 starts because top Gr1 here in Europe actually take some winning.
If you think Frankel was a mudlark that just show what a complete and utter bellend you are (not that it was ever in doubt anyway) and two of the horse's narrowest victories were on Soft ground where only its class allowed it to still win despite that.
So meg you, like most aussies on here berate people (usually Ima) for cherry picking form and crying 'nonsense' that if horse 'a' beats horse 'b' by such and such it means horse c is better than horse d yet you try desperately to do it here - hypocrisy from our antipodean buddies....... never!
On second thoughts you are right after all - dandino is clearly a a top class G1 horse on the world G1 stage, just seems to be no great shakes in the UK/Euro G1/G2's. By your own reasoning above and reading dandino's form it must mean therfore that UK/Euro middle distance G1's are therefore harder to win and better than those elsewhere. That's not my reasoning megger, it's yours - impeccable logic as always Megger, impeccable.
On second thoughts you are right after all - dandino is clearly a a top class G1 horse on the world G1 stage, just seems to be no great shakes in the UK/Euro G1/G2's. By your own reasoning above and reading dandino's form it must mean therfore that UK/Euro middle distance G1's are therefore harder to win and better than those elsewhere. That's not my reasoning megger, it's yours - impeccable logic as always Megger, impeccable.
why do we have to argue over this can't we just acknowledge that UK racing is superior over staying distances?
we know European stayers are better than ours, like our sprinters are superior.our milers over the last 12 months i believe hold no fear either, likes pierro,(now retired) all too hard,(now retired) atlantic jewel, its a dundeel ( nz )latter two best in the world along with treve
still say japanese stayers are the best in the world, but the poms wont have a bar of it.
i would like to read who ima mugs top 10 stayers in the uk are !
still say japanese stayers are the best in the world, but the poms wont have a bar of it.
i would like to read who ima mugs top 10 stayers in the uk are !
and by the way imamug and spyker....comparing group horses at WFA and group 1 at handicap you sure dont know shyt, you both go on the defensive which i find hilarious 
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top Gr1 here in Europe actually take some winning
yes we know how hard it is, we sent 3 over in the last decade for 8 group one wins 8-10f
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top Gr1 here in Europe actually take some winning
yes we know how hard it is, we sent 3 over in the last decade for 8 group one wins 8-10f
Dandino's credentials on the line today with the running of 67 rated Brockfield (horse he beat in his maiden) in the 540 at Ponte - will his form be franked and he be made clear fav for the MC after this class 4 hacp today?
Having said that in this race on this ground with this weight and at 16's it is def worth an ew bet!
Having said that in this race on this ground with this weight and at 16's it is def worth an ew bet!
The horse has obviously improved 10 lengths in the sunny climate of Australia
Funnily enough i think the weather/temp is 1 of the main reasons why some Uk horses might improve over there - running style as well. Sod all to do with 'improved training' they just like the sun on their backs! Of course the usual suspects will now come on and say I'm talking carp and it must be the world beating Aussie trainers, zzzzzzzzzz!
Anyway, tata - it's p!ssing it down so I'm off out into the garden with a bar of soap for my quarterly shower.......
Anyway, tata - it's p!ssing it down so I'm off out into the garden with a bar of soap for my quarterly shower.......
You really do love those cherries don't you megsy.
I've made all of these following points to you over and over again but plenty of your sprinters have come over and got a total spanking from ours but you want to rewrite history and pretend that never happened and then only concentrate on the Aussie winners. Almost every Aussie sprinter that has won a race here has also been well and truly beaten too and perhaps you could be kind enough to list Takeover Target's record here or do you think the horse only ever ran here the once?
Care to name the 3 "Aussie" horses and their full campaigns here for those 8 Gr1 8-10f wins too?
I've made all of these following points to you over and over again but plenty of your sprinters have come over and got a total spanking from ours but you want to rewrite history and pretend that never happened and then only concentrate on the Aussie winners. Almost every Aussie sprinter that has won a race here has also been well and truly beaten too and perhaps you could be kind enough to list Takeover Target's record here or do you think the horse only ever ran here the once?
Care to name the 3 "Aussie" horses and their full campaigns here for those 8 Gr1 8-10f wins too?
Any new on the mares Dear Demi and Royal Descent,will they be running in the Melbourne Cup ?
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Dandino's credentials on the line today with the running of 67 rated Brockfield (horse he beat in his maiden) in the 540 at Ponte - will his form be franked and he be made clear fav for the MC after this class 4 hacp today?
you could say the same about mount athos, sea moon, fiorente and 25 other english, irish horses left in the melbourne cup. like i said understand a group 1 handicap
actually all your stayers have been spoilt with low weights under WFA, how does sea moon recieve only 56 kg ???
no cheery picking imamaze and what has aussie sprinters got to do with all this, but seeing you brought it up, take over target won many at 1350, 1400m and placed at group 1 mile, you call him a sprinter, but moonlight cloud had excuses because she won at 1300m and 1400m even after the trainer of moonlight cloud declared game on, he didnt fear black caviar, but you make the excuses.
ive mentioned to you many time the 3, one was even uk's champion 10f horse
i still await who your top 10 stayers are and possibly state who your 5 top 10f horse maybe.
Dandino's credentials on the line today with the running of 67 rated Brockfield (horse he beat in his maiden) in the 540 at Ponte - will his form be franked and he be made clear fav for the MC after this class 4 hacp today?
you could say the same about mount athos, sea moon, fiorente and 25 other english, irish horses left in the melbourne cup. like i said understand a group 1 handicap
actually all your stayers have been spoilt with low weights under WFA, how does sea moon recieve only 56 kg ???
no cheery picking imamaze and what has aussie sprinters got to do with all this, but seeing you brought it up, take over target won many at 1350, 1400m and placed at group 1 mile, you call him a sprinter, but moonlight cloud had excuses because she won at 1300m and 1400m even after the trainer of moonlight cloud declared game on, he didnt fear black caviar, but you make the excuses.
ive mentioned to you many time the 3, one was even uk's champion 10f horse
i still await who your top 10 stayers are and possibly state who your 5 top 10f horse maybe.
Frankyfish, dear demi still in the cup, great run staurday. best run from saturday was jet away, they keep saying he ran 2 miles in that mile and 1/2 race and and finished close up 4th.
just needs to settle.
just needs to settle.
and more about takeover target, ffs he was trained by a part time taxi driver and raced at royal ascot right up until he was 11 years old.
medically he was un sound, a week to week propostion, joe the taxi driver paid about $1300 for him at a rail yard destine for the knackery.
as his trainer said over and over again, takeover target was not in black caviars league, she would have picked him up going past and towed him over the line.
so please enough bringing up poor old takeover target. not his fault joe the taxi driver wanted to greet the queen every year
medically he was un sound, a week to week propostion, joe the taxi driver paid about $1300 for him at a rail yard destine for the knackery.
as his trainer said over and over again, takeover target was not in black caviars league, she would have picked him up going past and towed him over the line.
so please enough bringing up poor old takeover target. not his fault joe the taxi driver wanted to greet the queen every year
does not take much to win a group 1 in europe, might drug myself up and have a crack actually
**** drug infested **** racing, **** doing their money day in day out
arabic camel owners making millions
**** drug infested **** racing, **** doing their money day in day out
arabic camel owners making millions
megsy 22 Oct 13 01:34
actually all your stayers have been spoilt with low weights under WFA, how does sea moon recieve only 56 kg ???
I'm guessing it's something to do with Sea Moon not being one of our ex-top stayers like you laughably claim unless that "one of" is one of a high n umber and it's got that wait due to never having won a Gr1 over here before.
That 56.5kg SM has been given for the MC (the same as Red Cadeaux) is around 8st 9lbs and then contrast that with say **** being given 59kg in his year or around 9st 4lbs and a difference of about 9lbs and that will be because **** was a previous Gr1 in the UK before being set a weight in the MC. Sea Moon ran in the King George and was 5th of 10 beaten 2¼L behind the winner and Brown Panther was 7th beaten 4L and BP has been given 56kg.
Oh and you asked "no cheery picking imamaze and what has aussie sprinters got to do with all this, but seeing you brought it up, take over target....." well I knew your problems on retaining info I put you right on was bad but now you seem to be having trouble retaining your own info. Here's why I responded to it:
megsy 21 Oct 13 10:06
we know European stayers are better than ours, like our sprinters are superior
I was reminding you that they aren't superior as they got spanked by ours more often than they won and Takeover Target was just one I chose at radom but feel free to give us the list of excuses for plenty of the other Aussie flop sprinters that came over.
Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't know the 3 as that's the very reason I put the word Aussie in quotes but I want to see which ones you choose to name so then I can reel off the ones you conveniently choose to forget, like say Elvstroem for example? Plus will you also mentioned the several defeats too of the ones you are claiming as Aussie trained even though I suspect the record books will show otherwise in some cases? Funny isn't it that if an ex-Aussie trained horse comes here and wins for a UK or Irish based trainer it's because it's supposedly to do with the standards of ex-horses Aussie horses but when they get beaten here then it's because our trainers can't train, Yet when our average ex-UK horses go over there and win and/or put up a go show it's because your Aussie trainers have improved them and nothing else.
I'm not quite sure what me listing our top stayers will achieve and SM was more a borderline stayer anyway and arguably a middle distance horse and apart from anything else, some I'd list will have retired and others might not have faced SM but the even Masked Marvel beat SM before your trainers got their hands on both horses and did their best to ruin them by supposedly turning them into speedsters like you claimed that word (still kills me that one lmfao) and others like Nathaniel, SNA and Camelot (Irish but with plenty of UK form) and Great Heavens have all previously beaten SM. He only raced in Europe at what might be considered borderline staying to staying races a handful of times so it would be impossible to make a proven direct comparison with too many others, but if you want to step up in trip to the 1m6f and Cup racers then others come into it like Cavalryman, Colour Vision, Duncan and Opinion Poll for example and I'm sure there will be others too I can't think of.
Then of course there are the ones that SM might not have ever met like Crystal Capella, Dancing Rain, Hillstar, Rewilding, Midday, Snow Fairy, Twice Over, Wigmore Hall, Workforce and I'd say Sea Moon would be roughly on a par with the likes of Brown Panther, Dandino, Dunaden and Red Cadeux or there wouldn't be an awful lot between all of them on their very best form.
actually all your stayers have been spoilt with low weights under WFA, how does sea moon recieve only 56 kg ???
I'm guessing it's something to do with Sea Moon not being one of our ex-top stayers like you laughably claim unless that "one of" is one of a high n umber and it's got that wait due to never having won a Gr1 over here before.
That 56.5kg SM has been given for the MC (the same as Red Cadeaux) is around 8st 9lbs and then contrast that with say **** being given 59kg in his year or around 9st 4lbs and a difference of about 9lbs and that will be because **** was a previous Gr1 in the UK before being set a weight in the MC. Sea Moon ran in the King George and was 5th of 10 beaten 2¼L behind the winner and Brown Panther was 7th beaten 4L and BP has been given 56kg.
Oh and you asked "no cheery picking imamaze and what has aussie sprinters got to do with all this, but seeing you brought it up, take over target....." well I knew your problems on retaining info I put you right on was bad but now you seem to be having trouble retaining your own info. Here's why I responded to it:
megsy 21 Oct 13 10:06
we know European stayers are better than ours, like our sprinters are superior
I was reminding you that they aren't superior as they got spanked by ours more often than they won and Takeover Target was just one I chose at radom but feel free to give us the list of excuses for plenty of the other Aussie flop sprinters that came over.
Don't make the mistake of thinking I don't know the 3 as that's the very reason I put the word Aussie in quotes but I want to see which ones you choose to name so then I can reel off the ones you conveniently choose to forget, like say Elvstroem for example? Plus will you also mentioned the several defeats too of the ones you are claiming as Aussie trained even though I suspect the record books will show otherwise in some cases? Funny isn't it that if an ex-Aussie trained horse comes here and wins for a UK or Irish based trainer it's because it's supposedly to do with the standards of ex-horses Aussie horses but when they get beaten here then it's because our trainers can't train, Yet when our average ex-UK horses go over there and win and/or put up a go show it's because your Aussie trainers have improved them and nothing else.
I'm not quite sure what me listing our top stayers will achieve and SM was more a borderline stayer anyway and arguably a middle distance horse and apart from anything else, some I'd list will have retired and others might not have faced SM but the even Masked Marvel beat SM before your trainers got their hands on both horses and did their best to ruin them by supposedly turning them into speedsters like you claimed that word (still kills me that one lmfao) and others like Nathaniel, SNA and Camelot (Irish but with plenty of UK form) and Great Heavens have all previously beaten SM. He only raced in Europe at what might be considered borderline staying to staying races a handful of times so it would be impossible to make a proven direct comparison with too many others, but if you want to step up in trip to the 1m6f and Cup racers then others come into it like Cavalryman, Colour Vision, Duncan and Opinion Poll for example and I'm sure there will be others too I can't think of.
Then of course there are the ones that SM might not have ever met like Crystal Capella, Dancing Rain, Hillstar, Rewilding, Midday, Snow Fairy, Twice Over, Wigmore Hall, Workforce and I'd say Sea Moon would be roughly on a par with the likes of Brown Panther, Dandino, Dunaden and Red Cadeux or there wouldn't be an awful lot between all of them on their very best form.
LOL....Not sure why Ye@ts has been censored as **** ffs.
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out
yes sea moon was an average horse, can you explain starting favorite against these AVERAGE horses
you are so full of it
21 Jul 2012
« 4:35 » King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes Sponsored By Betfair (British Champions Series) (Group 1) .
(Class 1) (3yo+) 1m4f Good To Soft
£567,100.00, £215,000.00, £107,600.00, £53,600.00, £26,900.00, £13,500.00
WATCH RACE - 25p .RESULTRATE RACE.Show all comments in running Show all pedigrees. HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR
« 1 4 Danedream (GER) 9/1 4 9-4 P Schiergen 128 * * »
b m Lomitas - Danedrop (IRE) (Danehill) A Starke
« 2 3 nse Nathaniel (IRE) 5/2 4 9-7 John Gosden 126 * * »
b h Galileo (IRE) - Magnificient Style (USA) (Silver Hawk) William Buick
)
« 3 8 1½ St Nicholas Abbey (IRE) 5/1 5 9-7 A P O'Brien 124 * * »
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Leaping Water (Sure Blade) Joseph O'Brien
« 4 9 hd Reliable Man 20/1 4 9-7 t A De Royer-Dupre 118 * * »
gr h Dalakhani (IRE) - On Fair Stage (IRE) (Sadler's Wells) Olivier Peslier
« 5 6 ½ Sea Moon 2/1 Favorite 4 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute 124 * * »
b h Beat Hollow - Eva Luna (USA) (Alleged) Ryan Moore
« 6 2 1¼ Dunaden (FR) 8/1 6 9-7 M Delzangles 118 * * »
b h Nicobar - La Marlia (FR) (Kaldounevees) Craig A Williams
« 7 10 ½ Brown Panther 20/1 4 9-7 Tom Dascombe 117 * * »
b h Shirocco (GER) - Treble Heights (IRE) (Unfuwain) Kieren Fallon
« 8 7 10 Deep Brillante (JPN) 20/1 3 8-9 Yoshito Yahagi 118 * *
b c Deep Impact (JPN) - Love And Bubbles (USA) (Loup Sauvage) Yasunari Iwata
« 9 5 ½ Masked Marvel 25/1 4 9-7 John Gosden 119 * * »
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Waldmark (GER) (Mark Of Esteem) Frankie Dettori
« 10 1 40 Robin Hood (IRE) 100/1 4 9-7 v A P O'Brien 99 * * »
b g Galileo (IRE) - Banquise (IRE) (Last Tycoon) Seamie Heffernan
you are so full of it 21 Jul 2012
« 4:35 » King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes Sponsored By Betfair (British Champions Series) (Group 1) .
(Class 1) (3yo+) 1m4f Good To Soft
£567,100.00, £215,000.00, £107,600.00, £53,600.00, £26,900.00, £13,500.00
WATCH RACE - 25p .RESULTRATE RACE.Show all comments in running Show all pedigrees. HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR
« 1 4 Danedream (GER) 9/1 4 9-4 P Schiergen 128 * * »
b m Lomitas - Danedrop (IRE) (Danehill) A Starke
« 2 3 nse Nathaniel (IRE) 5/2 4 9-7 John Gosden 126 * * »
b h Galileo (IRE) - Magnificient Style (USA) (Silver Hawk) William Buick
)
« 3 8 1½ St Nicholas Abbey (IRE) 5/1 5 9-7 A P O'Brien 124 * * »
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Leaping Water (Sure Blade) Joseph O'Brien
« 4 9 hd Reliable Man 20/1 4 9-7 t A De Royer-Dupre 118 * * »
gr h Dalakhani (IRE) - On Fair Stage (IRE) (Sadler's Wells) Olivier Peslier
« 5 6 ½ Sea Moon 2/1 Favorite 4 9-7 Sir Michael Stoute 124 * * »
b h Beat Hollow - Eva Luna (USA) (Alleged) Ryan Moore
« 6 2 1¼ Dunaden (FR) 8/1 6 9-7 M Delzangles 118 * * »
b h Nicobar - La Marlia (FR) (Kaldounevees) Craig A Williams
« 7 10 ½ Brown Panther 20/1 4 9-7 Tom Dascombe 117 * * »
b h Shirocco (GER) - Treble Heights (IRE) (Unfuwain) Kieren Fallon
« 8 7 10 Deep Brillante (JPN) 20/1 3 8-9 Yoshito Yahagi 118 * *
b c Deep Impact (JPN) - Love And Bubbles (USA) (Loup Sauvage) Yasunari Iwata
« 9 5 ½ Masked Marvel 25/1 4 9-7 John Gosden 119 * * »
b h Montjeu (IRE) - Waldmark (GER) (Mark Of Esteem) Frankie Dettori
« 10 1 40 Robin Hood (IRE) 100/1 4 9-7 v A P O'Brien 99 * * »
b g Galileo (IRE) - Banquise (IRE) (Last Tycoon) Seamie Heffernan
and your so into ratings, hmmm, a average horse sea moon with an average ummm, rating of 124
yep like i said...your full of it imamug
but type away, to convince only yourself
yep like i said...your full of it imamug
but type away, to convince only yourself
should i also add that average horse you claim,SEA MOONbeat in the past
Midday…6 time group 1 winner
Sarafina …3 times group 1 winner and defeated Cirrus Des Aigles
Al Kazeem……3 times group 1 winner and defeated camelot
and started hot favorite twice against st nicholas abbey.
after viewing all this and the give me weight he has been given in the melbourne cup, he might be the horse to follow. though under WFA scale not one european horse has been given WFA or worst, strange that considering you have the best stayers ( claim ) in the world.
but i wont educate you further imamug, you dont know the difference between a WFA group 1 and a handicap group 1
Midday…6 time group 1 winner
Sarafina …3 times group 1 winner and defeated Cirrus Des Aigles
Al Kazeem……3 times group 1 winner and defeated camelot
and started hot favorite twice against st nicholas abbey.
after viewing all this and the give me weight he has been given in the melbourne cup, he might be the horse to follow. though under WFA scale not one european horse has been given WFA or worst, strange that considering you have the best stayers ( claim ) in the world.
but i wont educate you further imamug, you dont know the difference between a WFA group 1 and a handicap group 1
SecondComing 22 Oct 13 03:43
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out.
And?
Is that how it works then, the favourite horse in the race is always the best horse? Sea Moon had up until then never won a Gr1 in the UK and was later well beaten in the Gr1 Arc too. SNA had already beaten SM in a Grde 1 in America and was a multiple Gr1 winner in the UK, Nathaniel had beaten SNA in the King George the year before and so on related form lines had the beating of SM and Danedream won the Arc doing handstands and was it a course record at the time? All of those finished ahead of SM in that KG and their previous form entitled them to, the betting is just bookies/punters forming an opinion. Do all favourites win in Australia then?
megsy 22 Oct 13 04:23
yes sea moon was an average horse, can you explain starting favorite against these AVERAGE horses you are so full of it.
You really must enjoy making a tw@t of yourself as where did I say Sea Moon was average?
Let me see if I can break it down into even smaller pieces for you to try to comprehend. Here is what I said:
"Yet when our average ex-UK horses go over there and win and/or put up a good show it's because your Aussie trainers have improved them and nothing else. "
So where is the name Sea Moon mentioned there?
If I'm talking about average horses and Sea Moon has won Gr2 races here and when it was first mentioned the horse had gone down there, some oposters were rightly saying it was a better class of horse than the average one usually being sold to do so, then its hardly average then is it ffs? Having said that, Khalid Abdullah doesn't tend to sell his very best ones anyway and keeps those for breeding, but I apologise for putting too much on you to work out that by using the word average I wasn't talking about Sea Moon and should have realised I was overtaxing you to come to that conclusion all by yourself.....Oh and you know the bit where I also said your trainers have done their best to ruining horses like SM and Masked Marvel by initially running them at trips far too short, see if you can work out whether I consider that as improving them or not.
This might come as a revelation to you too but when you stick the letter S on the end of a word like horse, well that then makes it a plural and means it's more than one such as Bauer, Jet Away, Glass Harmonium, Glencadam Gold, Manighar, My Quest For Peace, Julienas and so on, none of which would be anywhere near the top flight when racing here.
LOL @ you supposedly educating me on anything. I know full well the difference between proper Gr1s and your Mickey Mouse Gr1 handicaps and I've even said previously (but you will have had trouble retaining it) that a Gr1 that is a handicap is a contradiction in itself. Gr1s should be for the very best horses and all should carry the same weight bar age and sex allowances so that the range of weight carried is compressed in direct relation to ability. When that isn't the case then that's exactly what handicaps are for, to level the playing field based on weight carried by the better horses at the top end of the scale down to the lesser ones at the bottom. It should be either or and not both.
Why do you think they have weight divisions in sports like boxing or handicaps in pro-am golf tournaments? Would it be a fair fight for the number 20 ranked heavyweight to fight the number 1 ranked middleweight? Or how about if a amateur golfer playing off a low single figure handicap plays in The Open, should they knock shots off at the end of his round?
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out.
And?
Is that how it works then, the favourite horse in the race is always the best horse? Sea Moon had up until then never won a Gr1 in the UK and was later well beaten in the Gr1 Arc too. SNA had already beaten SM in a Grde 1 in America and was a multiple Gr1 winner in the UK, Nathaniel had beaten SNA in the King George the year before and so on related form lines had the beating of SM and Danedream won the Arc doing handstands and was it a course record at the time? All of those finished ahead of SM in that KG and their previous form entitled them to, the betting is just bookies/punters forming an opinion. Do all favourites win in Australia then?
megsy 22 Oct 13 04:23
yes sea moon was an average horse, can you explain starting favorite against these AVERAGE horses you are so full of it.
You really must enjoy making a tw@t of yourself as where did I say Sea Moon was average?
Let me see if I can break it down into even smaller pieces for you to try to comprehend. Here is what I said:
"Yet when our average ex-UK horses go over there and win and/or put up a good show it's because your Aussie trainers have improved them and nothing else.
"So where is the name Sea Moon mentioned there?
If I'm talking about average horses and Sea Moon has won Gr2 races here and when it was first mentioned the horse had gone down there, some oposters were rightly saying it was a better class of horse than the average one usually being sold to do so, then its hardly average then is it ffs? Having said that, Khalid Abdullah doesn't tend to sell his very best ones anyway and keeps those for breeding, but I apologise for putting too much on you to work out that by using the word average I wasn't talking about Sea Moon and should have realised I was overtaxing you to come to that conclusion all by yourself.....Oh and you know the bit where I also said your trainers have done their best to ruining horses like SM and Masked Marvel by initially running them at trips far too short, see if you can work out whether I consider that as improving them or not.
This might come as a revelation to you too but when you stick the letter S on the end of a word like horse, well that then makes it a plural and means it's more than one such as Bauer, Jet Away, Glass Harmonium, Glencadam Gold, Manighar, My Quest For Peace, Julienas and so on, none of which would be anywhere near the top flight when racing here.
LOL @ you supposedly educating me on anything. I know full well the difference between proper Gr1s and your Mickey Mouse Gr1 handicaps and I've even said previously (but you will have had trouble retaining it) that a Gr1 that is a handicap is a contradiction in itself. Gr1s should be for the very best horses and all should carry the same weight bar age and sex allowances so that the range of weight carried is compressed in direct relation to ability. When that isn't the case then that's exactly what handicaps are for, to level the playing field based on weight carried by the better horses at the top end of the scale down to the lesser ones at the bottom. It should be either or and not both.
Why do you think they have weight divisions in sports like boxing or handicaps in pro-am golf tournaments? Would it be a fair fight for the number 20 ranked heavyweight to fight the number 1 ranked middleweight? Or how about if a amateur golfer playing off a low single figure handicap plays in The Open, should they knock shots off at the end of his round?
Do all favourites win in Australia then?
NO ...but to start favorite against your top liners doesnt make the horse ( sea moon ) average, it tells you something, have you ever won a race?....i would be suprised if you have with your stupidity reasonings, excuses, etc etc etc you bring up everytime
NO ...but to start favorite against your top liners doesnt make the horse ( sea moon ) average, it tells you something, have you ever won a race?....i would be suprised if you have with your stupidity reasonings, excuses, etc etc etc you bring up everytime
ima_mazed66 • October 22, 2013 5:54 AM BST
SecondComing 22 Oct 13 03:43
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out.
And?
Is that how it works then, the favourite horse in the race is always the best horse? Sea Moon had up until then never won a Gr1 in the UK and was later well beaten in the Gr1 Arc too. SNA had already beaten SM in a Grde 1 in America and was a multiple Gr1 winner in the UK, Nathaniel had beaten SNA in the King George the year before and so on related form lines had the beating of SM and Danedream won the Arc doing handstands and was it a course record at the time? All of those finished ahead of SM in that KG and their previous form entitled them to, the betting is just bookies/punters forming an opinion. Do all favourites win in Australia then?
When something starts at 2-1 in any race then in the opinion of the bookmaker's and punters then the horse has a 50% chance of winning, now I want you to understand that the race the horse started even money in wasn't a lead up listed race or anything like that, it was a Group 1 in which all your highest rated stayers were competing in. I know I have raised a more than valid point here given your passive aggressive reply.
I don't care who beat who on what track in what country on what spec of grass, I couldn't care less. My point was simple, he started even money favorite in a Group 1 alongside the likes of Nathaniel, SNA and Danedream. Clearly the horse is above average.
The fact of the matter is this, you try to talk down every horse that comes to Australia as it reflects back on the state of your own racing. When are you going to shut the **** up and just enjoy the fact that these horses are travelling overseas, if you rate your own horses so highly then back them, if not.. don't.
Either way you need to shut the **** up, ****.
SecondComing 22 Oct 13 03:43
Sea Moon started 2-1 favorite in that king george, you left that bit out.
And?
Is that how it works then, the favourite horse in the race is always the best horse? Sea Moon had up until then never won a Gr1 in the UK and was later well beaten in the Gr1 Arc too. SNA had already beaten SM in a Grde 1 in America and was a multiple Gr1 winner in the UK, Nathaniel had beaten SNA in the King George the year before and so on related form lines had the beating of SM and Danedream won the Arc doing handstands and was it a course record at the time? All of those finished ahead of SM in that KG and their previous form entitled them to, the betting is just bookies/punters forming an opinion. Do all favourites win in Australia then?
When something starts at 2-1 in any race then in the opinion of the bookmaker's and punters then the horse has a 50% chance of winning, now I want you to understand that the race the horse started even money in wasn't a lead up listed race or anything like that, it was a Group 1 in which all your highest rated stayers were competing in. I know I have raised a more than valid point here given your passive aggressive reply.
I don't care who beat who on what track in what country on what spec of grass, I couldn't care less. My point was simple, he started even money favorite in a Group 1 alongside the likes of Nathaniel, SNA and Danedream. Clearly the horse is above average.
The fact of the matter is this, you try to talk down every horse that comes to Australia as it reflects back on the state of your own racing. When are you going to shut the **** up and just enjoy the fact that these horses are travelling overseas, if you rate your own horses so highly then back them, if not.. don't.
Either way you need to shut the **** up, ****.
LOL....you have earlycrow embarrassingly saying winner already declared despite megsy still struggling with the fact I didn't call Sea Moon average and he continues to struggle with it despite me confirming I never said that by coming out with this gem:
megsy 22 Oct 13 06:32
Do all favourites win in Australia then?
NO ...but to start favorite against your top liners doesnt make the horse ( sea moon ) average, it tells you something, have you ever won a race?....i would be suprised if you have with your stupidity reasonings, excuses, etc etc etc you bring up everytime.
You're not very bright down there are you? Oh and accusations excuses and reasons for defeat coming from the Aussies who find plenty of both every time one of there's gets spanked over here is ironic beyond belief.
Also once again I'm having to spoon feed you megsy considering you have oversimplified matters and not looked at the bigger picture (it's never good to be premature by the way either earlycrow) but you asked about stayers and then listed 2 horses that aren't stayers that Sea Moon beat in American. That race was 1m4f and I would have thought you could even worked out the easy stuff yourself such as in general the colts tend to beat the fillies and Midday and Sarafina are both fillies, which is the exact reason they get the sex weight allowance and they would have to be exceptional to beat the boys and decent as they were, they weren't exceptional.
Now we get to the bigger picture stuff that needs breaking down for you and we look at the trip and you mention Midday is a 6 times Gr1 winner, so care to tell us how many times at 1m4f? Or what about how many times she beat the boys? She ran 6 times at 1m4f from 23 starts and whilst I appreciate you have difficulty grasping the fact that an odd run here or there at a trip doesn't make that a horse's specialist trip, she also ran 11 times at 1m2f and of her 9 wins, 5 were at that trip and her 2 wins at 1m4f were against her own sex only, meaning the 4 times she tried 1m4f against the colts she was beaten. Much the same applies too to Sarafina where she only has 2 wins at 1m4f in a 11 race career, with one being a Gr2 4 runner race and the other being that neck defeat of CDA in a 5 runner field where races can often be run tactically with the French style of racing pace. That American race also came for both fillies after a busier season than Sea Moon and was their last ever runs and so they didn't really have much to lose.
Sea Moon also beat Al Kazeem at 1m4f in a Gr2 and whilst it's obvious that horse has improved passed Sea Moon with age, (hence the 3 Gr1 wins for AK and none for SM) once again AK's 3 Gr1 wins were all at less that 1m4f which is a trip it has only ever won at once before and wasn't at the highest level of Gr1, but has won several times at and around 1m2f, all of which kind of fcuks your (non) argument a little over the American race unfortunately for you, as when a decent horse that prefers one trip is disadvantage by racing another at that one's preferred trip and gets beaten, it doesn't really lose too much in defeat due to that disadvantage, as was the case with the miler Moonlight Cloud against the sprinter Black Caviar over a sprint distance.
My passive aggressive reply ComingSecond? Are you for real? I really couldn't make the point any clearer ffs!
And please don't embarrass yourself by converting fractions into winning change percentages as whilst that might technically be true, 2/1 isn't really Evens or 50/50 in betting terms like Evens or 50/50 is on a two possible outcome result like the toss of a coin. There were 10 other runners in the race and Nathaniel was priced at 5/2 (so not great difference) and I'm a great believer in only asking horses to do what they have done before, so given the choice of a previous CD/winner of the race like Nathniel that is also a multiple Gr1 winner or Sea Moon with no Gr1 wins at the CD and no Gr1 wins at all, then I think I know which one I'd prefer to be on and that's before even taking into account another horse I the line up that has already beaten Sea Moon and is a multiple Gr1 winner too at the trip and plus another that hosed up in the Arc also as a rival.
Have you never heard of the concept of opposing favourites with weaknesses? There are numerous people making their living on here by identifying poor favourites ffs! And since you talk of ratings in that King George race, SNA was rated the same as Sea Moon on 124 despite having previously beating him and both Nathaniel (126) and Dandream (128) were rated higher and not surprisingly all 3 (plus one other) as previous Gr1 1m4f winners finished in front of a horse that despite going off as fav had not yet achieved that feat.
Either way though my own argument was with the claim about SM being one of our very best stayers and if that isn't the case then it could have gone off odds-on in that race, still been well neaten and it still wouldn't apply......Oh and Sea Moon didn't start Even money fav anyway ffs, so stop making a total pr1ck of yourself.
megsy 22 Oct 13 06:32
Do all favourites win in Australia then?
NO ...but to start favorite against your top liners doesnt make the horse ( sea moon ) average, it tells you something, have you ever won a race?....i would be suprised if you have with your stupidity reasonings, excuses, etc etc etc you bring up everytime.
You're not very bright down there are you? Oh and accusations excuses and reasons for defeat coming from the Aussies who find plenty of both every time one of there's gets spanked over here is ironic beyond belief.
Also once again I'm having to spoon feed you megsy considering you have oversimplified matters and not looked at the bigger picture (it's never good to be premature by the way either earlycrow) but you asked about stayers and then listed 2 horses that aren't stayers that Sea Moon beat in American. That race was 1m4f and I would have thought you could even worked out the easy stuff yourself such as in general the colts tend to beat the fillies and Midday and Sarafina are both fillies, which is the exact reason they get the sex weight allowance and they would have to be exceptional to beat the boys and decent as they were, they weren't exceptional.
Now we get to the bigger picture stuff that needs breaking down for you and we look at the trip and you mention Midday is a 6 times Gr1 winner, so care to tell us how many times at 1m4f? Or what about how many times she beat the boys? She ran 6 times at 1m4f from 23 starts and whilst I appreciate you have difficulty grasping the fact that an odd run here or there at a trip doesn't make that a horse's specialist trip, she also ran 11 times at 1m2f and of her 9 wins, 5 were at that trip and her 2 wins at 1m4f were against her own sex only, meaning the 4 times she tried 1m4f against the colts she was beaten. Much the same applies too to Sarafina where she only has 2 wins at 1m4f in a 11 race career, with one being a Gr2 4 runner race and the other being that neck defeat of CDA in a 5 runner field where races can often be run tactically with the French style of racing pace. That American race also came for both fillies after a busier season than Sea Moon and was their last ever runs and so they didn't really have much to lose.
Sea Moon also beat Al Kazeem at 1m4f in a Gr2 and whilst it's obvious that horse has improved passed Sea Moon with age, (hence the 3 Gr1 wins for AK and none for SM) once again AK's 3 Gr1 wins were all at less that 1m4f which is a trip it has only ever won at once before and wasn't at the highest level of Gr1, but has won several times at and around 1m2f, all of which kind of fcuks your (non) argument a little over the American race unfortunately for you, as when a decent horse that prefers one trip is disadvantage by racing another at that one's preferred trip and gets beaten, it doesn't really lose too much in defeat due to that disadvantage, as was the case with the miler Moonlight Cloud against the sprinter Black Caviar over a sprint distance.
My passive aggressive reply ComingSecond? Are you for real? I really couldn't make the point any clearer ffs!
And please don't embarrass yourself by converting fractions into winning change percentages as whilst that might technically be true, 2/1 isn't really Evens or 50/50 in betting terms like Evens or 50/50 is on a two possible outcome result like the toss of a coin. There were 10 other runners in the race and Nathaniel was priced at 5/2 (so not great difference) and I'm a great believer in only asking horses to do what they have done before, so given the choice of a previous CD/winner of the race like Nathniel that is also a multiple Gr1 winner or Sea Moon with no Gr1 wins at the CD and no Gr1 wins at all, then I think I know which one I'd prefer to be on and that's before even taking into account another horse I the line up that has already beaten Sea Moon and is a multiple Gr1 winner too at the trip and plus another that hosed up in the Arc also as a rival.
Have you never heard of the concept of opposing favourites with weaknesses? There are numerous people making their living on here by identifying poor favourites ffs! And since you talk of ratings in that King George race, SNA was rated the same as Sea Moon on 124 despite having previously beating him and both Nathaniel (126) and Dandream (128) were rated higher and not surprisingly all 3 (plus one other) as previous Gr1 1m4f winners finished in front of a horse that despite going off as fav had not yet achieved that feat.
Either way though my own argument was with the claim about SM being one of our very best stayers and if that isn't the case then it could have gone off odds-on in that race, still been well neaten and it still wouldn't apply......Oh and Sea Moon didn't start Even money fav anyway ffs, so stop making a total pr1ck of yourself.
Hitting Megsy with a wet lettus leaf after the bell, now that's embarrassing
Making a tw@t of yourself by judging before hearing both sides, now that's what I call really embarrassing.
Please feel free to point out any inaccuracies facts wise in my post though......Personally I think your last reply is far more "wet lettuce" really considering you don't really have anything better to come back with or dispute what I have said.
Please feel free to point out any inaccuracies facts wise in my post though......Personally I think your last reply is far more "wet lettuce" really considering you don't really have anything better to come back with or dispute what I have said.
well i'll be fcuked imamug now is a medium, knows what Khalid Abdullah thinks has no idea how muck LW payed for sea moon 
imamug states fillies in general dont beat colts, so midway and safarina wernt exceptional for this reason
imamug states midway couldnt run 1m 4f even though she ran 25% of her races over that distance for 2 group 1 wins
and imamug states black caviar beat a miler who when she beat moon light cloud hadnt won further than 7f
pssst, let you in on a little secret about fillies, atlantic jewel, black caviar, treve, moonlight cloud.....getting the picture?
maybe i should put a bib on you and play eroplanes with your food, your dribbling so much shyt its beyond the joke
imamug now is a medium, knows what Khalid Abdullah thinks has no idea how muck LW payed for sea moon imamug states fillies in general dont beat colts, so midway and safarina wernt exceptional for this reason
imamug states midway couldnt run 1m 4f even though she ran 25% of her races over that distance for 2 group 1 wins
and imamug states black caviar beat a miler who when she beat moon light cloud hadnt won further than 7f
pssst, let you in on a little secret about fillies, atlantic jewel, black caviar, treve, moonlight cloud.....getting the picture?
maybe i should put a bib on you and play eroplanes with your food, your dribbling so much shyt its beyond the joke
ima_mazed66 is to this debate what Eddie The Eagle was to Ski Jumping, trying really hard but when the big boys like Megsy step in is found to be along way behind, anyway Megsy has the belt on let's move on
Still having trouble retaining info too as I've already cover your pointless 10 stayers thing but how much did Khalid Abdullah get when he sold Frankel to race in Australia?.....Oh wait a minute. Plus exactly how is stating the obvious and saying Abdullah doesn't tend to sell his best horses but holds on to them for breeding make anyone a medium when that's what he's does? You might think that makes me a medium but if you think he sells his best ones (do you think he really needs the money?) then you're clearly a thick! Do you even know what Juddmonte Farms is ffs?
Look up the names Beat Hollow, Champs Elysees, First Defence, Frankel, Mizzen Mast, Observatory, Oasis Dream and Rail Link and spot the Gr1 races they won and then look up how many Sea Moon and Jet Away won. Then see if you can work out which ones he sold on and which ones he stood at stud.
Look up the names Beat Hollow, Champs Elysees, First Defence, Frankel, Mizzen Mast, Observatory, Oasis Dream and Rail Link and spot the Gr1 races they won and then look up how many Sea Moon and Jet Away won. Then see if you can work out which ones he sold on and which ones he stood at stud.
Canthinkofaclevername
First I want to say I love Aussie racing and watch it whenever I can. However, I do find it difficult to understand the concept of a Group 1 handicap. I understood that the pattern was designed to find the best of the breed, so how can a handicap work with that concept. Isn't it like giving unseeded players in a grand slam tennis tournament a set start?
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions.
Unlike the two clowns, Sphyncter with his loaded, parochial "questions" and the all knowing, generalising, conclusive
definer of the hypothetical, ImaMazdaBongoVan.
Cantthinkofaclevername, while you're waiting for an "expert" to respond, I'll offer an opinion.
"Big picture", it's apples and oranges. One sees something as "normal", another sees the same as "unusual".
"Pacemakers" being another good example of different accepted norms.
"Group" Handicaps are just part of the fabric over here. I'm unsure how that's developed but it's been that way for a long
time. I understand that the Group status of a race is reviewed (annually?) and the quality of fields over a period of time
can dictate an upward or downward status grading.
I won't be so pompous as to suggest who's values are "better", it's just a case of differing "norms"...
horses for courses, if you like.
Cheers.
First I want to say I love Aussie racing and watch it whenever I can. However, I do find it difficult to understand the concept of a Group 1 handicap. I understood that the pattern was designed to find the best of the breed, so how can a handicap work with that concept. Isn't it like giving unseeded players in a grand slam tennis tournament a set start?
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions.
Unlike the two clowns, Sphyncter with his loaded, parochial "questions" and the all knowing, generalising, conclusive
definer of the hypothetical
, ImaMazdaBongoVan. Cantthinkofaclevername, while you're waiting for an "expert" to respond, I'll offer an opinion.
"Big picture", it's apples and oranges. One sees something as "normal", another sees the same as "unusual".
"Pacemakers" being another good example of different accepted norms.
"Group" Handicaps are just part of the fabric over here. I'm unsure how that's developed but it's been that way for a long
time. I understand that the Group status of a race is reviewed (annually?) and the quality of fields over a period of time
can dictate an upward or downward status grading.
I won't be so pompous as to suggest who's values are "better", it's just a case of differing "norms"...
horses for courses, if you like.
Cheers.
Thanks TINS for your response. It seems like a custom and practice thing. I know they have Grade 1 handicaps in the US but they are handicaps in name only as the weights are set by the track official and there is very little weight difference between the key protagonists. There are some group race handicaps in the UK but the highest level have group 3 status.
I must say I am finding this cheap point scoring on both sides rather childish and tedious. We have been lucky to witness some wonderful horses in recent years, why don't we just delight in their majesty rather than having pointless arguments as to who is better. eg one of the fastest horses I have ever seen was Dayjur but how it would have done against BC no-one will ever know. All we can ever say about a horse is that, at their proven trip, they were the best of their generation.
So can we please end this squabbling.
I must say I am finding this cheap point scoring on both sides rather childish and tedious. We have been lucky to witness some wonderful horses in recent years, why don't we just delight in their majesty rather than having pointless arguments as to who is better. eg one of the fastest horses I have ever seen was Dayjur but how it would have done against BC no-one will ever know. All we can ever say about a horse is that, at their proven trip, they were the best of their generation.
So can we please end this squabbling.
I agree with Cantthinkofaclevername let's all move on
And to answer his question BC would have won by 2L
And to answer his question BC would have won by 2L
the USA bred Dayjur didnt win many by a fair distance ( 2L ave ), won 7 from 11, 3 group 1's only and was always ridden out, i would say BC at least 3L as wee willy carson is on record as saying, BC was better, how much better, we never will know.
but then again imamug says all fillies and mares are inferior to male horses
now im moving on.
ps, frankel wasnt a stayer and im asking to name the top 10 stayers running at the moment, not yesterdayyear
now im moving on
but then again imamug says all fillies and mares are inferior to male horses
now im moving on.
ps, frankel wasnt a stayer and im asking to name the top 10 stayers running at the moment, not yesterdayyear
now im moving on
megsy, in the day to day goings of horse racing it is a proven fact that fillies and mares are inferior, I am not talking about the top liners, I am talking about your everyday racing
The most boring man on the planet v the most clueless mug........what joy......
you best **** off **** i wont hesitate to ****g drop you the first chance you i get you ****
Come down Coming Second......tell Mugsy piles or no piles it's his turn for the vaseline up the crack.....
SC...everyone who knows anything about horse racing knows a good colt will always beat a good filly, but i name those few where there were no colts around good enough to be called a good colt, hence this group of mares beat all comers.
i wasnt saying all fillies
hartley, acka top farrier, ackA socks ( 2 feet lower than a **** )
you seem obcessed with poo jabbing and sound very experiance, should i yell out
"BUMS TO THE WALL WHEN HARTLEYS AROUND !!!
i wasnt saying all fillies
hartley, acka top farrier, ackA socks ( 2 feet lower than a **** )
you seem obcessed with poo jabbing and sound very experiance, should i yell out
"BUMS TO THE WALL WHEN HARTLEYS AROUND !!!
How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions. Happy
Thing is oh great 1 I've done that - and you amongst others were civil and answered a few of my questions for a few months. However I then made the fateful mistake of saying I though BC would win (at Ascot) but not find it as easy as you lot thought, gave my reasons and was told i was talking nonsense and then watched you amongst others repeat exactly what i had said (as reasons for not looking impressive) but called me an idiot for saying so days earlier!
Ever since then you for 1 have been especially childish towards me and no matter what i say you instantly insult like a true child - please do carry on as it really is very amusing for everyone I'm sure.
Canthinkofausername - it is entirely up to you but I wouldn't bother asking TINS etc for much advice as as soon as you say anything they don't agree with you are an idiot for life - even (as i tried out) if you repeat word for word what 1 of them (tins) said weeks earlier he calls that rubbish if I repeat it! They also seem to find it impossible to tell when one is being serious and obviously taking the p so going over to the aussie forum is like shooting very big fish in a very small barrel a lot of the time and the best thing is they don't know!
Thing is oh great 1 I've done that - and you amongst others were civil and answered a few of my questions for a few months. However I then made the fateful mistake of saying I though BC would win (at Ascot) but not find it as easy as you lot thought, gave my reasons and was told i was talking nonsense and then watched you amongst others repeat exactly what i had said (as reasons for not looking impressive) but called me an idiot for saying so days earlier!
Ever since then you for 1 have been especially childish towards me and no matter what i say you instantly insult like a true child - please do carry on as it really is very amusing for everyone I'm sure.
Canthinkofausername - it is entirely up to you but I wouldn't bother asking TINS etc for much advice as as soon as you say anything they don't agree with you are an idiot for life - even (as i tried out) if you repeat word for word what 1 of them (tins) said weeks earlier he calls that rubbish if I repeat it! They also seem to find it impossible to tell when one is being serious and obviously taking the p so going over to the aussie forum is like shooting very big fish in a very small barrel a lot of the time and the best thing is they don't know!
megsy 23 Oct 13 05:02
but then again imamug says all fillies and mares are inferior to male horses
See this is why yo need to stop typing because your grasp of basic English is just too limited and you only end up making yourself look a total d1ckhead.
Here's what I actually said, so load up the printer with paper, print it off and then read it a couple of times or get someone with an understanding of English to explain it to you......I'm sure there are a few kiddies having a kickabout at the park more than able to break it down for you.
ima_mazed66 22 Oct 13 18:23
as in general the colts tend to beat the fillies and Midday and Sarafina are both fillies, which is the exact reason they get the sex weight allowance and they would have to be exceptional to beat the boys and decent as they were, they weren't exceptional.
LOL...mugsy probably think "in general" has something to do with the military.
No doubt too he's thinking about the times the (exceptional) fillies beat the colts as if that makes the main point invalid......Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with Dayjur and you've just embarrasses yourself even more with your Dayjur was always pushed out comments.
Not only have I not said Frankel was a stayer, you've yet to explain the relevance of why you want a 10 stayers list anyway, although if it is to compare with Sea Moon then Sea Moon doesn't race here now so you would have to compare with the ones that were racing here at the same time as he was, whether they still race or not.
but then again imamug says all fillies and mares are inferior to male horses
See this is why yo need to stop typing because your grasp of basic English is just too limited and you only end up making yourself look a total d1ckhead.
Here's what I actually said, so load up the printer with paper, print it off and then read it a couple of times or get someone with an understanding of English to explain it to you......I'm sure there are a few kiddies having a kickabout at the park more than able to break it down for you.
ima_mazed66 22 Oct 13 18:23
as in general the colts tend to beat the fillies and Midday and Sarafina are both fillies, which is the exact reason they get the sex weight allowance and they would have to be exceptional to beat the boys and decent as they were, they weren't exceptional.
LOL...mugsy probably think "in general" has something to do with the military.
No doubt too he's thinking about the times the (exceptional) fillies beat the colts as if that makes the main point invalid......Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with Dayjur and you've just embarrasses yourself even more with your Dayjur was always pushed out comments.
Not only have I not said Frankel was a stayer, you've yet to explain the relevance of why you want a 10 stayers list anyway, although if it is to compare with Sea Moon then Sea Moon doesn't race here now so you would have to compare with the ones that were racing here at the same time as he was, whether they still race or not.
Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with Dayjur The ORACLE strikes again Cuckoooo Cuckoooo
Do you read what you write? How embarrassing...unless as I suspect, you have an "illness"
Sphyncter and ImaMazdaBongoVan clutching and bleating for respect.
Pathetic.
and sad
The ORACLE strikes again Cuckoooo CuckooooDo you read what you write? How embarrassing...unless as I suspect, you have an "illness"
Sphyncter and ImaMazdaBongoVan clutching and bleating for respect.
Pathetic.
and sad
Sphyncter and ImaMazdaBongoVan clutching and bleating for respect. Cry
You see that's the big difference between you and me - you actually think that these forums are places where you can 'earn respect' where you think reputation counts and matters - you actually think you entertain people and have a voice! Your posts show how desperate you are to get cheap laughs and how desperate you are for attention - which you get on the Aussie forum but seem blissfully unaware that for every 1 that chuckles at your nonsense there are more than a few that think you are a tw@.
I, however, am fully aware that my remarks are throwaway, v few people see things as i do and will therefore not agree with me at the time but, i generally get proved right in the long run. I'm aware that more people than not don't laugh at my posts or nec agree with them - it doesn't bother me as forums (to me) are to waste a few minutes here and there - unlike you it is not my life.
Oh and please do carry on calling me 'sphyncter' as without the many hundreds of sphincters in our bodies we would die pretty quickly so you seem to be saying that i am vital to your existence - unless you are so dumb and think it's funny because you think that the only sphincter you've got is where you do most of your talking from. You prob still laugh when somebody is talking abut chickens and says '****' ffs!
Now please go ahead and lets here what immense words of wisdom will come forth - we are all hanging on your every word.......
You see that's the big difference between you and me - you actually think that these forums are places where you can 'earn respect' where you think reputation counts and matters - you actually think you entertain people and have a voice! Your posts show how desperate you are to get cheap laughs and how desperate you are for attention - which you get on the Aussie forum but seem blissfully unaware that for every 1 that chuckles at your nonsense there are more than a few that think you are a tw@.
I, however, am fully aware that my remarks are throwaway, v few people see things as i do and will therefore not agree with me at the time but, i generally get proved right in the long run. I'm aware that more people than not don't laugh at my posts or nec agree with them - it doesn't bother me as forums (to me) are to waste a few minutes here and there - unlike you it is not my life.
Oh and please do carry on calling me 'sphyncter' as without the many hundreds of sphincters in our bodies we would die pretty quickly so you seem to be saying that i am vital to your existence - unless you are so dumb and think it's funny because you think that the only sphincter you've got is where you do most of your talking from. You prob still laugh when somebody is talking abut chickens and says '****' ffs!
Now please go ahead and lets here what immense words of wisdom will come forth - we are all hanging on your every word.......
Canthinkofaclevername
First I want to say I love Aussie racing and watch it whenever I can. However, I do find it difficult to understand the concept of a Group 1 handicap. I understood that the pattern was designed to find the best of the breed, so how can a handicap work with that concept. Isn't it like giving unseeded players in a grand slam tennis tournament a set start?
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions.
Back to school for you, Sphycter. The above is so simple, yet.....so far over your head.
we are all [i]hanging on your every word..
Little grandiose, don't you think? Don't think anybody else but you ......would be googling, "sphyncter"
First I want to say I love Aussie racing and watch it whenever I can. However, I do find it difficult to understand the concept of a Group 1 handicap. I understood that the pattern was designed to find the best of the breed, so how can a handicap work with that concept. Isn't it like giving unseeded players in a grand slam tennis tournament a set start?
What does it prove for pattern purposes if horse a beats horse b by a nose but horse a was receiving 10 kilos. Who is the better horse?
Don't get me wrong, I am all for big valuable handicaps, just don't see how they can be called Group 1s.
How refreshing to see someone suggesting they don't understand something and asking genuine questions.
Back to school for you, Sphycter. The above is so simple, yet.....so far over your head.
we are all [i]hanging on your every word..
Little grandiose, don't you think? Don't think anybody else but you ......would be googling, "sphyncter"
Good god - you really are truly think aren't you - you think i need to google a misspelling of 'sphincter' to find out about it? What a quaint simpleton you really are - I thought it was an act - please accept my apologies!
please accept my apologies!
Ok, as an act of good faith, I shall.
But be warned, I expect big things when you return from re-schooling! Take an open mind...big help
Who knows? We could be buddies.
Ok, as an act of good faith, I shall.
But be warned, I expect big things when you return from re-schooling! Take an open mind...big help
Who knows? We could be buddies.
If you start taking my posts at face value - as i do with the odd 1 of yours that does give worthwhile opinion - disagreeing when you genuinely think I am talking bullox, which is prob most of the time anyway, and instead of seeing my name and posting the usual blah blah then there is no reason why our relationship can't develop into 1 of mutual indifference.........
THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON 23 Oct 13 12:01
Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with DayjurLaugh The ORACLE strikes again Laugh Cuckoooo Cuckoooo
A typical reply from someone with nothing better to come back with.
Oh and Black Caviar wouldn't have lived with DayjurLaugh The ORACLE strikes again Laugh Cuckoooo Cuckoooo
A typical reply from someone with nothing better to come back with.
A typical reply from someone with nothing better to come back with Sick unit you are.
There are no come-backs in regard to your incredible hypothetical conclusions.
Only high-lighting this time-travelling, globe-trotting gift you have.
Could I ask for a another definitive answer, oh chosen one? Should be simple, they're not from thousands of kms apart.
ImaMazingOracle, who definitively wins a Grand National between...
1871 The Lamb 9 11-05 Mr Tommy Pickernell Chris Green Lord Poulett 11/2 9m 35.7s
and
1963 Ayala 9 10-00 Pat Buckley Keith Piggott Pierre Raymond 66/1 9m 35.8s
allowing for all factors, of course.
Thanks in advance.
Sick unit you are.There are no come-backs in regard to your incredible hypothetical conclusions.
Only high-lighting this time-travelling, globe-trotting gift you have.
Could I ask for a another definitive answer, oh chosen one? Should be simple, they're not from thousands of kms apart.
ImaMazingOracle, who definitively wins a Grand National between...
1871 The Lamb 9 11-05 Mr Tommy Pickernell Chris Green Lord Poulett 11/2 9m 35.7s
and
1963 Ayala 9 10-00 Pat Buckley Keith Piggott Pierre Raymond 66/1 9m 35.8s
allowing for all factors, of course.
Thanks in advance.
So would it be hypothetical of me to say Usain Bolt would beat you in a a 100m race?
Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar at a mile but the million was on offer for them to meet in the Sussex Stakes but only one set of connections were willing to go for it......Although there must be some sensible Aussies after all then when Peter Moody backed down.
Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem when a horse like Society Rock that was nowhere near Dayjur's class can give her 6L start due to not being ready when the starter let them go and still only be 2L down at the line. I would say Royal Academy was at least as good as Moonlight Cloud and Dayjur beat that horse on the bridle whereas BC fell over the line against MC. RA went on to win the Breeders' Cup Mile and MC was well beaten in it.
Plus it's OK for you Aussies to claim BC is the best sprinter ever without the need of "time-travelling" to back it up but we're used to the constant double standards from your lot on here.
Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar at a mile but the million was on offer for them to meet in the Sussex Stakes but only one set of connections were willing to go for it......Although there must be some sensible Aussies after all then when Peter Moody backed down.
Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem when a horse like Society Rock that was nowhere near Dayjur's class can give her 6L start due to not being ready when the starter let them go and still only be 2L down at the line. I would say Royal Academy was at least as good as Moonlight Cloud and Dayjur beat that horse on the bridle whereas BC fell over the line against MC. RA went on to win the Breeders' Cup Mile and MC was well beaten in it.
Plus it's OK for you Aussies to claim BC is the best sprinter ever without the need of "time-travelling" to back it up but we're used to the constant double standards from your lot on here.
Disappointed that my post, which was trying to avoid comparisons, was used to compare BC favourably with Dayjur. I am not going to be drawn in. I would just make two points:
Dayjur wins to runs ratio is not great compared to BC but initially connections were preparing him for a mile campaign. Once they realised that he was a sprinter pure and simple, his record was excellent.
Dayjur also went to the Breeders Cup. Despite everything being against him (worst draw, round a bend and on dirt surface for first time and against horses that could legally be given drugs), he took part and ran with great credit.
Dayjur wins to runs ratio is not great compared to BC but initially connections were preparing him for a mile campaign. Once they realised that he was a sprinter pure and simple, his record was excellent.
Dayjur also went to the Breeders Cup. Despite everything being against him (worst draw, round a bend and on dirt surface for first time and against horses that could legally be given drugs), he took part and ran with great credit.
Fortunately or unfortunately whatever way you want to look at it you joined in late Cantthinkofaclevername and you won't be aware of the double standards from some of the Aussies in their various guises probably supporting their own views under different user names and twisting things to talk up their own and do down everyone else's.
This all really started when a few of the more arrogant ones were telling us So You Think and Black Caviar was going to come over and win by a street in their races but when SYT beat Workforce and Snow Fairy in the Eclipse and it was pointed out those were really 1m4f horses, that was us making excuses but as soon as SYT got turned over, they did their double standards trick and made every excuse under the sun for the horse, including O'Brien can't train and Moore can't ride.
Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world and they were more than happy to use the World Thoroughbred Rankings to support that view when she topped then until Frankel then topped them and suddenly the rankings were meaningless. Well meaningless until Frankel retired that is and Black Caviar topped them again. They were also telling us she was the best horse racing and we would see that at Royal Ascot when she would win by a wide margin doing handstands, until some of us whilst freely admitting our sprinters in the UK weren't great but it would still be a test for her as Ascot is a stiff 6f and she had to prove she could win as well outside of Australia from global opponents. They were telling us she had nothing to prove though and then Frankel hosed up in the Queen Anne and BC fell over the line in her race we were suddenly told Frankel had to prove he could win outside of the UK.
Then it became BC was better because she had won at more than the one trip (so had Frankel) and on differing courses (so had Frankel) and that Frankel only keep beating the same horse Excelebration all the time and ignoring the number of times BC beat Hay List, even though Frankel beat something like 70 odd different horses, including from half a dozen countries but was only a miler. Then when he won at 1m2f he had to win the Arc at 1m4f and they constantly moved the goalposts after each of the horses wins. You also earlier had half of them wanting Frankel to drop down to 6f and face BC and the other half going up to 1m2f to face SYT and according to them, both would have beaten Frankel as again he was only a miler.
Did you notice too the inference that Dayjur wasn't really a GB horse because it had US in brackets after its name despite being training in Britain by a GB trainer and ridden by a GB jockey? Yet they are more than happy to consider So You Think (NZ) as an Australian horse. Or what about Frankel only won the QA by 11L because he went for home early (and that's a bad thing because?) even though he went at the 2f to go post which you would expect anyway.
This all really started when a few of the more arrogant ones were telling us So You Think and Black Caviar was going to come over and win by a street in their races but when SYT beat Workforce and Snow Fairy in the Eclipse and it was pointed out those were really 1m4f horses, that was us making excuses but as soon as SYT got turned over, they did their double standards trick and made every excuse under the sun for the horse, including O'Brien can't train and Moore can't ride.
Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world and they were more than happy to use the World Thoroughbred Rankings to support that view when she topped then until Frankel then topped them and suddenly the rankings were meaningless. Well meaningless until Frankel retired that is and Black Caviar topped them again. They were also telling us she was the best horse racing and we would see that at Royal Ascot when she would win by a wide margin doing handstands, until some of us whilst freely admitting our sprinters in the UK weren't great but it would still be a test for her as Ascot is a stiff 6f and she had to prove she could win as well outside of Australia from global opponents. They were telling us she had nothing to prove though and then Frankel hosed up in the Queen Anne and BC fell over the line in her race we were suddenly told Frankel had to prove he could win outside of the UK.
Then it became BC was better because she had won at more than the one trip (so had Frankel) and on differing courses (so had Frankel) and that Frankel only keep beating the same horse Excelebration all the time and ignoring the number of times BC beat Hay List, even though Frankel beat something like 70 odd different horses, including from half a dozen countries but was only a miler. Then when he won at 1m2f he had to win the Arc at 1m4f and they constantly moved the goalposts after each of the horses wins. You also earlier had half of them wanting Frankel to drop down to 6f and face BC and the other half going up to 1m2f to face SYT and according to them, both would have beaten Frankel as again he was only a miler.
Did you notice too the inference that Dayjur wasn't really a GB horse because it had US in brackets after its name despite being training in Britain by a GB trainer and ridden by a GB jockey? Yet they are more than happy to consider So You Think (NZ) as an Australian horse. Or what about Frankel only won the QA by 11L because he went for home early (and that's a bad thing because?) even though he went at the 2f to go post which you would expect anyway.
the medium must have worn his fingers down to the base knuckle by now,KEEP UP THE 500+ WORD REPLIES first he thinks he reads Khalid Abdullah mind.
and he is now a ventriloquist for his willy carson puppet after the real willy stated BC was the better of the 2
his now got willy jnr saying "NO, NO, NO, ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND"
and ignores even his own top jockey Ryan Moore who's article he wrote fot betfair stated BC was indeed a freak after he viewed he before the race, he stated she looked tired, no core engine, no shine and thought she would definately get beat after being in racing for 6 long months...and we add to the fact, the day before the race BC over raced in a gallop, the jockey era and injury....what a fcukin freak she is
gawd you dribble a lot of shyt imamug
first he thinks he reads Khalid Abdullah mind.and he is now a ventriloquist for his willy carson puppet after the real willy stated BC was the better of the 2
his now got willy jnr saying "NO, NO, NO, ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND"
and ignores even his own top jockey Ryan Moore who's article he wrote fot betfair stated BC was indeed a freak after he viewed he before the race, he stated she looked tired, no core engine, no shine and thought she would definately get beat after being in racing for 6 long months...and we add to the fact, the day before the race BC over raced in a gallop, the jockey era and injury....what a fcukin freak she is
gawd you dribble a lot of shyt imamug
clueless Aussie trainers
Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar
Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem
Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world
Aussies to claim BC is the best sprinter ever
ever
ˈɛvə/Submit
adverb
1.
at any time.
"nothing ever seemed to ruffle her"
synonyms: at any time, at any point, on any occasion, under any circumstances, on any account;
2.
at all times; always.
synonyms: always, forever, at all times, eternally, until the end of time; More
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Still waiting for the definitive result...
1871 The Lamb 9 11-05 Mr Tommy Pickernell Chris Green Lord Poulett 11/2 9m 35.7s
and
1963 Ayala 9 10-00 Pat Buckley Keith Piggott Pierre Raymond 66/1 9m 35.8s
allowing for all factors, of course.
Seek help!
Just as it is patently obvious that Frankel would have slaughtered Black Caviar
Dayjur would also have beaten Black Caviar no problem
Black Caviar was apparently the best horse in the world
Aussies to claim BC is the best sprinter ever
ever
ˈɛvə/Submit
adverb
1.
at any time.
"nothing ever seemed to ruffle her"
synonyms: at any time, at any point, on any occasion, under any circumstances, on any account;
2.
at all times; always.
synonyms: always, forever, at all times, eternally, until the end of time; More
continually, constantly, always, at all times, endlessly, perpetually, incessantly, unceasingly, unremittingly, repeatedly, recurrently
Still waiting for the definitive result...
1871 The Lamb 9 11-05 Mr Tommy Pickernell Chris Green Lord Poulett 11/2 9m 35.7s
and
1963 Ayala 9 10-00 Pat Buckley Keith Piggott Pierre Raymond 66/1 9m 35.8s
allowing for all factors, of course.
Seek help!
what's the delay?...is it a photo finish?
No Wiki required.
A whirring, twitching, blinking, snorting session on the shhitter with head in hands............
with a blurt and a fart......out pops THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER........to anything
and everything
A whirring, twitching, blinking, snorting session on the shhitter with head in hands............
with a blurt and a fart......out pops THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER........to anything
and everything
you watch SPOOON, here comes a 500+ word reply of dribble, does anyone ever understand him ?
We seem to be going over old ground here Megsy clear winner lets all move on please
O ImaMazdabongoVan,” he said. “The task we have designed you to perform is this.
We want you tell us…” he paused, “the Answer!”
“The Answer?” said ImaMazdabongoVan. “The Answer to what?”
“Life!” urged Fook.
“The Universe!” said Lunkwill.
“Everything!” they said in chorus.
ImaMazdabongoVan paused for a moment’s reflection.
“Tricky,” he said finally.
“But can you do it?”
Again, a significant pause.
“Yes,” said ImaMazdabongoVan, “I can do it.”
“There is an answer?” said Fook with breathless excitement.
“A simple answer?” added Lunkwill.
“Yes,” said ImaMazdabongoVan. “Life, the Universe, and Everything. There is an answer. But,” he added, “I’ll have to think
about it.”“…the program will take me a little while to run.”
Fook glanced impatiently at his watch.
“How long?” he said.
“Seven and a half million years,” said ImaMazdabongoVan.
Lunkwill and Fook blinked at each other.
“Seven and a half million years!” they cried in chorus.
“Yes,” declaimed Deep Thought, “I said I’d have to think about it, didn’t I?”
“Good morning,” said ImaMazdabongoVan at last.
“Er… good morning, O ImaMazdabongoVan,” said Loonquawl nervously, “do you have… er, that is…”
“An answer for you?” interrupted ImaMazdabongoVan majestically. “Yes. I have.”
The two men shivered with expectancy. Their waiting had not been in vain.
“There really is one?” breathed Phouchg.
“There really is one,” confirmed ImaMazdabongoVan.
“To Everything? To the great Question of Life, the Universe and Everything?”
“Yes.”
…
“Though I don’t think,” added ImaMazdabongoVan, “that you’re going to like it.”
…
Tell us!”
“All right,” said ImaMazdabongoVan. The Answer to the Great Question…”
“Yes…!”
“Of Life, the Universe and Everything…” said ImaMazdabongoVan
“Yes…!”
“Is…” said ImaMazdabongoVan, and paused.
“Yes…!”
“Is…”
“Yes…!!!…?”
“Forty-two,” said ImaMazdabongoVan, with infinite majesty and calm.
We want you tell us…” he paused, “the Answer!”
“The Answer?” said ImaMazdabongoVan. “The Answer to what?”
“Life!” urged Fook.
“The Universe!” said Lunkwill.
“Everything!” they said in chorus.
ImaMazdabongoVan paused for a moment’s reflection.
“Tricky,” he said finally.
“But can you do it?”
Again, a significant pause.
“Yes,” said ImaMazdabongoVan, “I can do it.”
“There is an answer?” said Fook with breathless excitement.
“A simple answer?” added Lunkwill.
“Yes,” said ImaMazdabongoVan. “Life, the Universe, and Everything. There is an answer. But,” he added, “I’ll have to think
about it.”“…the program will take me a little while to run.”
Fook glanced impatiently at his watch.
“How long?” he said.
“Seven and a half million years,” said ImaMazdabongoVan.
Lunkwill and Fook blinked at each other.
“Seven and a half million years!” they cried in chorus.
“Yes,” declaimed Deep Thought, “I said I’d have to think about it, didn’t I?”
“Good morning,” said ImaMazdabongoVan at last.
“Er… good morning, O ImaMazdabongoVan,” said Loonquawl nervously, “do you have… er, that is…”
“An answer for you?” interrupted ImaMazdabongoVan majestically. “Yes. I have.”
The two men shivered with expectancy. Their waiting had not been in vain.
“There really is one?” breathed Phouchg.
“There really is one,” confirmed ImaMazdabongoVan.
“To Everything? To the great Question of Life, the Universe and Everything?”
“Yes.”
…
“Though I don’t think,” added ImaMazdabongoVan, “that you’re going to like it.”
…
Tell us!”
“All right,” said ImaMazdabongoVan. The Answer to the Great Question…”
“Yes…!”
“Of Life, the Universe and Everything…” said ImaMazdabongoVan
“Yes…!”
“Is…” said ImaMazdabongoVan, and paused.
“Yes…!”
“Is…”
“Yes…!!!…?”
“Forty-two,” said ImaMazdabongoVan, with infinite majesty and calm.
That is about as as funny as piles, using bold for the the punchline does not make it any more humorous. Are you banned from your own forum?
Are you, HappyValley? 
You seem a good egg
You seem a good egg
Did the fluffing of long-held usernames supporting each others arguments lack humour as well?
Thoughts so.
Thoughts so.
I know where the egg is!
All over his face
faces
All over his face
faces
Feel free to troll me as much as you like, I'm a big lad. I suspect you, on the other hand, are rather small like most bullies.
No point. You haven't crossed into the pompous dribbler zone.
It's nice you've been appointed as their carer.
Are you a recovered sufferer of the condition, or just a good egg?
It's nice you've been appointed as their carer.
Are you a recovered sufferer of the condition, or just a good egg?
A low blow Megsy re Dayjur last run. The horse he beat 4 lengths in third could run a bit.
My point is that connections took Dayjur to a completely alien environment and he would have won if the race had taken place an hour earlier or later.
Connections of BC are to be congratulated for bringing her to Ascot but imo it was a calculated risk as it was on a turf surface against weakish horses and in a regime where no drugs are permitted.
My point is that connections took Dayjur to a completely alien environment and he would have won if the race had taken place an hour earlier or later.
Connections of BC are to be congratulated for bringing her to Ascot but imo it was a calculated risk as it was on a turf surface against weakish horses and in a regime where no drugs are permitted.
Anyway back to the grown up stuff, any sources for what Carson and Moore were supposed to have said?
Know your retaining information problems mugsy, I can't really trust you to remember to retain what was said and repeat it accurately.....In fact your information retention problems are so bad that you probably haven't even retained the fact that you have an information retention problem.
Know your retaining information problems mugsy, I can't really trust you to remember to retain what was said and repeat it accurately.....In fact your information retention problems are so bad that you probably haven't even retained the fact that you have an information retention problem.
ima_mazed66 acka imamug
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Know your retaining information problems mugsy, I can't really trust you to remember to retain what was said and repeat it accurately.....In fact your information retention problems are so bad that you probably haven't even retained the fact that you have an information retention problem
just to show you up as a idiot, pomperous know it all, no nothing.I believe you owe me an oppology and a even greater oppology to the greatest mare to grace this earth
Ryan Moore 30/6/12
I gather some journalists thought I was being overly-negative - not that I am in the least bit bothered by that, as I will say what I think - when I said here a couple of weeks ago that the ridiculous media coverage was in danger of backfiring badly if she didn't win.
Thankfully, she did. Just.
But I think that it underlines how much the media circus got out of control that when a superstar comes from the other side of the world after a hard season and wins a Group 1 at Royal Ascot, and the over-riding emotion is one of relief, and disappointment and deflation, in some quarters.
All things considered, I actually think she did really well to win.
I didn't have a ride in the race but I went out to see her in the paddock, and I couldn't believe how poor she looked. She was hairy and didn't look to have a lot of core strength about her. She looked like a mare who had had a hard life and needed a rest.
That is no criticism whatsoever of her connections and her preparation, simply the fact that she had been on the go for so long and had travelled around the world.
Sitting in the weighing room before the race, I was genuinely concerned that she may get beaten and, though she moved well early on, you could tell that her jockey was never confident and happy in the race.
But thank god she won and kept her unbeaten record.
dont she look beautiful
now be a believer imamug, you know very well she continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race and 9 months off the scene proved the latter, hail your true queen
now im off away from your stupidity on this thread, bury your head deep sunshine
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Know your retaining information problems mugsy, I can't really trust you to remember to retain what was said and repeat it accurately.....In fact your information retention problems are so bad that you probably haven't even retained the fact that you have an information retention problem
just to show you up as a idiot, pomperous know it all, no nothing.I believe you owe me an oppology and a even greater oppology to the greatest mare to grace this earth
Ryan Moore 30/6/12
I gather some journalists thought I was being overly-negative - not that I am in the least bit bothered by that, as I will say what I think - when I said here a couple of weeks ago that the ridiculous media coverage was in danger of backfiring badly if she didn't win.
Thankfully, she did. Just.
But I think that it underlines how much the media circus got out of control that when a superstar comes from the other side of the world after a hard season and wins a Group 1 at Royal Ascot, and the over-riding emotion is one of relief, and disappointment and deflation, in some quarters.
All things considered, I actually think she did really well to win.
I didn't have a ride in the race but I went out to see her in the paddock, and I couldn't believe how poor she looked. She was hairy and didn't look to have a lot of core strength about her. She looked like a mare who had had a hard life and needed a rest.
That is no criticism whatsoever of her connections and her preparation, simply the fact that she had been on the go for so long and had travelled around the world.
Sitting in the weighing room before the race, I was genuinely concerned that she may get beaten and, though she moved well early on, you could tell that her jockey was never confident and happy in the race.
But thank god she won and kept her unbeaten record.
dont she look beautiful
now be a believer imamug, you know very well she continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race and 9 months off the scene proved the latter, hail your true queen
now im off away from your stupidity on this thread, bury your head deep sunshine
ohh, i nearly forgot, heres the link
http://betting.betfair.com.au/betting-tips/horse-betting-ryan-moores-ascot-w...
http://betting.betfair.com.au/betting-tips/horse-betting-ryan-moores-ascot-w...
Possibly but I hope you had your gum shield in as it was one that landed on your own chin because just as I suspected, no source for the Willie Carson comments and I was well aware of those Ryan Moore ones as I had read them before when you posted them up, but once again you have had trouble retaining what he said as I see nowhere him saying what you claimed he did. What he actually said was and I'm copying and posting from your own post here too:
"Sitting in the weighing room before the race, I was genuinely concerned that she may get beaten"
but that entered your head and in fairness to you, you tried hard and probably did your very best to process it but it came out as, and again I quote you here as Ryan Moore supposedly saying:
megsy 24 Oct 13 01:05
"....and thought she would definately get beat after being in racing for 6 long months."
I'm wondering too if you have got confused about what Willie Carson said as I do know he said this anyway:
He remorselessly breaks his rivals' hearts, yet possesses such stunning early pace that Willie Carson has suggested that even his great sprinting partner Dayjur might have struggled to keep tabs on him.
By Richard Forristal irishindependent.ie
Monday May 21 2012
The "he" is a bit of a give away and the horse in question was Frankel.
As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring after her tail brushed against her as shown at around 40 seconds here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhple0182oE
and can you please tell us exactly when any injury was supposed to have occurred during the Jubilee if you are so sure she was injured during the race itself, which furlong post markers was in between for example? I know I've done to death before how the jockey rode her up and down the course again in a victory parade and didn't dismount as soon as he pulled up, so there was obvious no indication to him of any injury during the race but mugsy reckons he knows when it happened?
For all you know any injury could have happened overnight from getting cast in her box or when turned out in the paddock and as for her racing schedule, she ran her last race in Australia prior to Royal Ascot on 12th May and the Ascot race was on 23rd June, which by my reckoning is about 6 weeks between races. Prior to that she ran on 28th April and before that twice in February on 11th and 18th, so she has no problem winning twice in 7 days but it's supposed to be a massive problem to win twice in 6 weeks is it?
Before you say she had to travel too, that's not in doubt but she arrived here on 8th June so she had over a fortnight to get over the journey and to settle in before racing. She rarely had more than a decent blow-out in any of her Aussie races and being a sprinter it's not like she had a few gruelling 2 mile staying races before coming here either.
I think I can safely say that's me having knocked the gum shield well and truly out of your mouth and you left crawling on your hands and knees, desperately trying to focus your mind and put it back in again.
"Sitting in the weighing room before the race, I was genuinely concerned that she may get beaten"
but that entered your head and in fairness to you, you tried hard and probably did your very best to process it but it came out as, and again I quote you here as Ryan Moore supposedly saying:
megsy 24 Oct 13 01:05
"....and thought she would definately get beat after being in racing for 6 long months."
I'm wondering too if you have got confused about what Willie Carson said as I do know he said this anyway:
He remorselessly breaks his rivals' hearts, yet possesses such stunning early pace that Willie Carson has suggested that even his great sprinting partner Dayjur might have struggled to keep tabs on him.
By Richard Forristal irishindependent.ie
Monday May 21 2012
The "he" is a bit of a give away and the horse in question was Frankel.
As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring after her tail brushed against her as shown at around 40 seconds here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhple0182oE
and can you please tell us exactly when any injury was supposed to have occurred during the Jubilee if you are so sure she was injured during the race itself, which furlong post markers was in between for example? I know I've done to death before how the jockey rode her up and down the course again in a victory parade and didn't dismount as soon as he pulled up, so there was obvious no indication to him of any injury during the race but mugsy reckons he knows when it happened?
For all you know any injury could have happened overnight from getting cast in her box or when turned out in the paddock and as for her racing schedule, she ran her last race in Australia prior to Royal Ascot on 12th May and the Ascot race was on 23rd June, which by my reckoning is about 6 weeks between races. Prior to that she ran on 28th April and before that twice in February on 11th and 18th, so she has no problem winning twice in 7 days but it's supposed to be a massive problem to win twice in 6 weeks is it?
Before you say she had to travel too, that's not in doubt but she arrived here on 8th June so she had over a fortnight to get over the journey and to settle in before racing. She rarely had more than a decent blow-out in any of her Aussie races and being a sprinter it's not like she had a few gruelling 2 mile staying races before coming here either.
I think I can safely say that's me having knocked the gum shield well and truly out of your mouth and you left crawling on your hands and knees, desperately trying to focus your mind and put it back in again.
BongoVan, finally I find a point of real interest, a needle in your haystack. Hallelujah!!!
To state the bleeding obvious, you've made up your mind about the ability of BC based on ummmm...well, you know.....pffffft
I bet almost exclusively on horse appearance. Horse "behaviour" pre-race is not really my thing but I of course
do see it while i'm looking at them.
I saw BC in the flesh, pre-race on 8 occasions.
Each and every time I saw her, it wasn't her appearance that captured my attention, it was her behavior,
remarkably at ease and relaxed, from the time she entered the course to the time she left the mounting yard....and crowd
numbers were irrelevant. Always a gap between her and the horse in front of her as she dawdled around on a loose lead like
a Clerk Of Courses aged pony.
I backed her at around evens, from memory. Hadn't even considered laying off at $1.22 but eventually I did.....
immediately after seeing her in the yard at Ascot.
Here's a clip of her "standard" behaviour at the races.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEf25KtyRs
now I look at the 40 sec mark of the link you posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhple0182oE
Completely unique behaviour for her.
I'll leave the post mortems to your all-knowing self.
I know what I see and hope others may find it of interest.
To state the bleeding obvious, you've made up your mind about the ability of BC based on ummmm...well, you know.....pffffft
I bet almost exclusively on horse appearance. Horse "behaviour" pre-race is not really my thing but I of course
do see it while i'm looking at them.
I saw BC in the flesh, pre-race on 8 occasions.
Each and every time I saw her, it wasn't her appearance that captured my attention, it was her behavior,
remarkably at ease and relaxed, from the time she entered the course to the time she left the mounting yard....and crowd
numbers were irrelevant. Always a gap between her and the horse in front of her as she dawdled around on a loose lead like
a Clerk Of Courses aged pony.
I backed her at around evens, from memory. Hadn't even considered laying off at $1.22 but eventually I did.....
immediately after seeing her in the yard at Ascot.
Here's a clip of her "standard" behaviour at the races.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEf25KtyRs
now I look at the 40 sec mark of the link you posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhple0182oE
Completely unique behaviour for her.
I'll leave the post mortems to your all-knowing self.
I know what I see and hope others may find it of interest.
lol,lol,lol..imamug you are the most dim witted C.U.N.Tuesday ive ever come across, now you claim you read what Ryan Moore stated after demanding i present proof he otherwise said it,
yes you would argue that the sky is blue
so guess what, im not bothering giving you wee willys statement, find the ****a yourself, after all, you only believe your ventriloquist wee willy puppet
i gave myself one on the chin? ffs
give yourself a K'O for being an ignorant dim witted, C......., you wouldnt know the @rse end of a horse, you proved it ...AGAIN
Pssst 7 wins from 11 starts ...what happened to the other 35% of his races? he got beat and a pathetic 3 group 1 wins, yeah he was englands best sprinter, but not the worlds, a true bred sprinter like manikato would have had him for din dins,dayjur always fully ridden out in his wins too and after all, you english know it alls claim you dont breed sprinters, they are failed milers
yes you would argue that the sky is blue
so guess what, im not bothering giving you wee willys statement, find the ****a yourself, after all, you only believe your ventriloquist wee willy puppet
i gave myself one on the chin? ffs
give yourself a K'O for being an ignorant dim witted, C......., you wouldnt know the @rse end of a horse, you proved it ...AGAIN
Pssst 7 wins from 11 starts ...what happened to the other 35% of his races? he got beat
and a pathetic 3 group 1 wins, yeah he was englands best sprinter, but not the worlds, a true bred sprinter like manikato would have had him for din dins,dayjur always fully ridden out in his wins too and after all, you english know it alls claim you dont breed sprinters, they are failed milers
well said SPOOON...imamug will now argue to prove the horse is Black Caviar, you got a black caviar puppet we can ask?
huge difference in black caviars behavior , if imamug knows ANYTHING about raceshorses behavior i suggest he shut up now or make a bigger goose of himself
his already a bigger expert than Ryan Moore, and after the horses bolted and he was given a big upper cut, he claimed he already read it,lol,lol
huge difference in black caviars behavior , if imamug knows ANYTHING about raceshorses behavior i suggest he shut up now or make a bigger goose of himself
his already a bigger expert than Ryan Moore, and after the horses bolted and he was given a big upper cut, he claimed he already read it,lol,lol
become a believer, admit it imamug, she did a job only a freak could do.
SPOON makes your arguement so full of shyt, watch it in awe, and see how much of a goose you sound saying,
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As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZA70fu4aXc
SPOON makes your arguement so full of shyt, watch it in awe, and see how much of a goose you sound saying,
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As for more of your made up nonsense and fantasies regarding Black Caviar, she wasn't "continually flicked her tail before the race in a cranky mood and suffered a injury during the race" she was jig-jogging on her toes and flicked a hind leg out once in the parade ring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZA70fu4aXc
It's not really directed to ImanOracle, Megsy. It's offered moreso to any "horse-watchers" out there.
It's just an interesting example, food for thought.
He's already eaten THE BOOK OF ALL KNOWLEDGE so probably not inclined to taste anything else.
It's just an interesting example, food for thought.
He's already eaten THE BOOK OF ALL KNOWLEDGE so probably not inclined to taste anything else.
SPOOON...watch the one i put up....great viewing of a tired cranky horse
To be fair to Dayjur at the time there were only 4 group 1 sprints (5 and 6 furlongs) in Europe per year and he won the three he was entered for.
I have already explained why his early record wasn't good.
I've no idea who would have won between BC and Dayjur but I do feel it would have been magnanimous if Megsy and Spoon had acknowledged the bravery of Dayjur's connections in sending him to the States. How many Aussie sprinters have taken on the US horses in the Breeders Cup?
I have already explained why his early record wasn't good.
I've no idea who would have won between BC and Dayjur but I do feel it would have been magnanimous if Megsy and Spoon had acknowledged the bravery of Dayjur's connections in sending him to the States. How many Aussie sprinters have taken on the US horses in the Breeders Cup?
I've no idea who would have won between BC and Dayjur.
Thank goodness, you're not pretending to KNOW
have been magnanimous if Megsy and Spoon had acknowledged
I know absolutely nothing of the horse, CTOACN so I'm not qualified to even offer an opinion. Give me a pass
Thank goodness, you're not pretending to KNOW
have been magnanimous if Megsy and Spoon had acknowledged
I know absolutely nothing of the horse, CTOACN so I'm not qualified to even offer an opinion. Give me a pass
we have our own carnival worth more $$$ at the same time as the breeders, 2ndly, travelling from uk to the breeders would be like a trip from sydney to perth, as Black Caviar had to travel half way around the world, huge difference coming from southern hemisphere to your northern and the united states northern.
2ndly....dont take it to heart, just taking the piss out of imamug
2ndly....dont take it to heart, just taking the piss out of imamug
I've no idea who would have won between BC and Dayjur.
Thank goodness, you're not pretending to KNOW
And yet you lot 'know' that bC would def have won as many have continuously claimed she would have beaten anything that lived? You seriously don't see the continual hypocrisy here? No of course you don't!
Funny thing is - and i do have to laugh (ha ha ha) all these reasons given by the Aussies for BC being less than impressive were laid out before them months before the race as factors in why she might not look a world beater at Ascot by a few on here and we were abused and shot down as knowing nothing and have been continually insulted as a result.......
Oh woe, woe, woe, woe is me.........
Now ignore me and please do carry on with this riveting (you've done this before haven't you fellers?) chat......
Thank goodness, you're not pretending to KNOW
And yet you lot 'know' that bC would def have won as many have continuously claimed she would have beaten anything that lived? You seriously don't see the continual hypocrisy here? No of course you don't!
Funny thing is - and i do have to laugh (ha ha ha) all these reasons given by the Aussies for BC being less than impressive were laid out before them months before the race as factors in why she might not look a world beater at Ascot by a few on here and we were abused and shot down as knowing nothing and have been continually insulted as a result.......
Oh woe, woe, woe, woe is me.........
Now ignore me and please do carry on with this riveting (you've done this before haven't you fellers?) chat......
And yet you lot ???? who are actually you referring to??? or is it just something to say???
'know' ImnOracle is the "Know" man
that bC would def have won as many have continuously claimed she would have beaten anything that lived
what a ridiculous statement....even ImanOracle would be hard-pressed to make those ones
why not add "EVER" for maximum effect!
You got one thing right, ..... "Oh woe, woe, woe, woe is me..".
Yup, back to school again for you, Sphyncter. Looks like you ate a copy of the FICTION edition
'know' ImnOracle is the "Know" man
that bC would def have won as many have continuously claimed she would have beaten anything that lived
what a ridiculous statement....even ImanOracle would be hard-pressed to make those ones
why not add "EVER" for maximum effect!
You got one thing right, ..... "Oh woe, woe, woe, woe is me..".
Yup, back to school again for you, Sphyncter. Looks like you ate a copy of the FICTION edition
Dear God you really are as thick as fcuk aren't you mugsy?
Thinking anyone has to be a mind reader to realise that when Khalid Abdullah decides to scale down his operation that you would have to be Mystic Meg to realise he will hold on to the better ones and sell the lesser ones.
Thick enough too despite me clearly posting the evidence from your very own post that Ryan Moore said no such thing as BC would "definately get beat" (that's me quoting you again hence the spelling mistake) yet you bury your head in the sand and still falsely repeat it again hoping nobody will notice!......Oh and jockey "era" fcuking classic and then you call others idiots and try to mock them, you also can't even count ffs with firstly, secondly and er, secondly once again....Maybe you should have looked up on Wiki Counting For Toddlers!!!!
Oh and it's "whose" and not "who's" as in "and ignores even his own top jockey Ryan Moore who's article he wrote fot betfair" and on that subject, I knew full well what he had said about BC and was the very reason I asked you for a source (which is the actual site we are on anyway) because I knew his actual quote was nothing like the fantasy one you made up on his behalf and I also saw it the first time you posted it up, you do remember posting it up before right, I mean you have retained that memory yeah? So how would I even know you had posted it up before if I wasn't supposedly to be aware of his (accurate) comments? Like I said, thick as fcuk!
Would that also by the way be the "top jockey" Ryan Moore you Aussies were claiming couldn't ride and cost SYT races in the past but as soon as (you think) he has said something that supports your claims he's suddenly a "top jockey"....Double standards much eh? No surprises either that there's no source for the Willie Carson quote even though you clearly searched high and low for it.
I'll be back later to respond to more of your bullsh1t but I really need the loo now before I PMSL at the utter sh1te you come out with.
Thinking anyone has to be a mind reader to realise that when Khalid Abdullah decides to scale down his operation that you would have to be Mystic Meg to realise he will hold on to the better ones and sell the lesser ones.
Thick enough too despite me clearly posting the evidence from your very own post that Ryan Moore said no such thing as BC would "definately get beat" (that's me quoting you again hence the spelling mistake) yet you bury your head in the sand and still falsely repeat it again hoping nobody will notice!......Oh and jockey "era" fcuking classic and then you call others idiots and try to mock them, you also can't even count ffs with firstly, secondly and er, secondly once again....Maybe you should have looked up on Wiki Counting For Toddlers!!!!
Oh and it's "whose" and not "who's" as in "and ignores even his own top jockey Ryan Moore who's article he wrote fot betfair" and on that subject, I knew full well what he had said about BC and was the very reason I asked you for a source (which is the actual site we are on anyway) because I knew his actual quote was nothing like the fantasy one you made up on his behalf and I also saw it the first time you posted it up, you do remember posting it up before right, I mean you have retained that memory yeah? So how would I even know you had posted it up before if I wasn't supposedly to be aware of his (accurate) comments? Like I said, thick as fcuk!
Would that also by the way be the "top jockey" Ryan Moore you Aussies were claiming couldn't ride and cost SYT races in the past but as soon as (you think) he has said something that supports your claims he's suddenly a "top jockey"....Double standards much eh? No surprises either that there's no source for the Willie Carson quote even though you clearly searched high and low for it.
I'll be back later to respond to more of your bullsh1t but I really need the loo now before I PMSL at the utter sh1te you come out with.
grasping at straws still, love how you demand BC only swished her tail the once , you only evidence was a video of what you viewed, for what 5 seconds ? and it became gospel through your belief, yet i put a video up showing her continually swishing her tail and being cranky...who the fcuks ever going to believe your bull shyt
so many times you have had your pants pulled down, but you still hold em up, must be hard being a ventriliquist, a medium, and a racehorse guru all at once whilst holding your pants up
im outter here ( this thread ) your a goose who thinks his a duck
so many times you have had your pants pulled down, but you still hold em up, must be hard being a ventriliquist, a medium, and a racehorse guru all at once whilst holding your pants up
im outter here ( this thread ) your a goose who thinks his a duck
I think if anyone is clutching at straws it's you mugsy, doing your utmost to find excuses and see something that's not there.
I watched that video and shock horror, a horse that's a sprinter which by nature are coiled springs swished her tail, was on her toes and nodded her head on an odd occasion. She did so no more or less than some of the others you saw jig-jogging around at the start, her ears were forward rather than set back which is a clue to a horse's well being, she went into the stalls nicely with no extra help needed from the other stalls handlers and she was certainly nowhere near as jittery as Society Rock and that one lost 6L on her at the start when sat down as the stalls opened and was still only 2L behind her at the line.
As for the trainer's post-race drama queen bullsh1t, the only reason he might have thought "oh ****" was because he had seen a true superstar earlier in the week destroy its opposition and the true realisation that he didn't have the best horse in the world started sinking in. Presumably you reckon his "oh ****" was to do with how she supposedly looked, yet he said "The risk is not her well being, the risk is her defeat." So what's that suppose to mean then, he'd knowingly let a poorly horse run rather than pull it out?
Sounds like post-race bullsh1t to me after seeing the outcome, but the next bit sounds like a case of making up a non-story as you go along with the claim that "and Luke Nolen knew none of this.....Moody didn't want to worry him." Worry him over what, what exactly did the trainer know that the jockey didn't? If she was supposed to look so poor and worse than usual do you not think the bloke riding the horse might just notice too?
Oh and "you are" abbreviated is still "you're" and not "your" and rather than "his" do you actually mean "he's" by any chance? You have to laugh at someone as thick as you trying to belittle others and then try to claim intellectual superiority but there ws no need to add (this thread) when you say you were leaving as you will be back again but if you ever did leave for good it would be the end of an "error."
As for THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON's embarrassing video link, I know what I saw too, two completely contrasting situations and nowhere near comparing like with like, so you tell me what you saw and all of the differences or do I have to spoon feed that to you also?
I watched that video and shock horror, a horse that's a sprinter which by nature are coiled springs swished her tail, was on her toes and nodded her head on an odd occasion. She did so no more or less than some of the others you saw jig-jogging around at the start, her ears were forward rather than set back which is a clue to a horse's well being, she went into the stalls nicely with no extra help needed from the other stalls handlers and she was certainly nowhere near as jittery as Society Rock and that one lost 6L on her at the start when sat down as the stalls opened and was still only 2L behind her at the line.
As for the trainer's post-race drama queen bullsh1t, the only reason he might have thought "oh ****" was because he had seen a true superstar earlier in the week destroy its opposition and the true realisation that he didn't have the best horse in the world started sinking in. Presumably you reckon his "oh ****" was to do with how she supposedly looked, yet he said "The risk is not her well being, the risk is her defeat." So what's that suppose to mean then, he'd knowingly let a poorly horse run rather than pull it out?
Sounds like post-race bullsh1t to me after seeing the outcome, but the next bit sounds like a case of making up a non-story as you go along with the claim that "and Luke Nolen knew none of this.....Moody didn't want to worry him." Worry him over what, what exactly did the trainer know that the jockey didn't? If she was supposed to look so poor and worse than usual do you not think the bloke riding the horse might just notice too?
Oh and "you are" abbreviated is still "you're" and not "your" and rather than "his" do you actually mean "he's" by any chance? You have to laugh at someone as thick as you trying to belittle others and then try to claim intellectual superiority but there ws no need to add (this thread) when you say you were leaving as you will be back again but if you ever did leave for good it would be the end of an "error."
As for THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON's embarrassing video link, I know what I saw too, two completely contrasting situations and nowhere near comparing like with like, so you tell me what you saw and all of the differences or do I have to spoon feed that to you also?
run along dipshyt, you showed to everyone your a goose more than once, you cant even put up a good arguement now that the truth has finally been found out about you imamug
and here i thought you might have known just a wee little bit about horses sign*
i better go look for a new challenger, your so fcuking dissapointing, excuse after excuse
bye bye you goose
and here i thought you might have known just a wee little bit about horses sign*
i better go look for a new challenger, your so fcuking dissapointing, excuse after excuse
bye bye you goose
i must say, you were the biggest dribbler i ever come across
ive never come across a medium, a ventriliquist a horse specialist who insists stallions aint stallions when they are racing ( that was a beauty )
all australia's top group 1s are run around moonee valley
english horses are more dissadvantaged coming to australia than visa versa.
demanded i prove Ryan Moore stated about black caviar after denying he said anything, when the proof was shown he goes," ohh i knew what he said "
reads peoples minds to what they think,like AK's
argued black caviar swished he tail once and the video prove different and imamug still wont admit defeat after being caught lying again*
and like i said if imamug knows ANYTHING about raceshorses behavior i suggest he shut up now or make a bigger goose of himself
what can i say bigger goose ?
off to find someone with a good aruement in them, not lies and bullshyt
ive never come across a medium, a ventriliquist a horse specialist who insists stallions aint stallions when they are racing ( that was a beauty )
all australia's top group 1s are run around moonee valley
english horses are more dissadvantaged coming to australia than visa versa.
demanded i prove Ryan Moore stated about black caviar after denying he said anything, when the proof was shown he goes," ohh i knew what he said "
reads peoples minds to what they think,like AK's
argued black caviar swished he tail once and the video prove different and imamug still wont admit defeat after being caught lying again*
and like i said if imamug knows ANYTHING about raceshorses behavior i suggest he shut up now or make a bigger goose of himself
what can i say bigger goose ?
off to find someone with a good aruement in them, not lies and bullshyt
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