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irishone
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just booked
any one been before
tips, advice etc please (NO TIMEWASTERS) !
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Report mange October 4, 2013 8:06 PM BST
cant waste time................hours in front
Report megsy October 5, 2013 3:37 AM BST
a 4 day carnival,friday there's a city parade of past winning horses, trainers and jockeys etc.  carnival starts saturday with numerous group 1's   ( victoria derby )the meeting of the carnival, expect 130,000 to attend if weather kind,

tuesday melbourne cup day, usually the first race is around 10.30 am, get there early as its a public holiday and all roads lead to flemington. you will experiance an atomosphere never experianced before and many european trainers are blown away by the experiance.

thursday is oaks day, the ladies come out in their stunning best.

saturday ends the carnival.

plenty of international horses with via for the cup, but i would prefer a local jockey who knows the racing pattern of the cup. been many a good overseas jockeys downfall in the past.


cheers
Report ima_mazed66 October 5, 2013 3:44 AM BST
And plenty of Aussie jockeys have replaced overseas jockeys on overseas horses and done nothing on them or even worse than when the overseas jockey rode them.....The race is a bit of a lottery and local knowledge counts for little without the horse and luck in running.
Report megsy October 5, 2013 3:47 AM BST
ima mug...time you fcuked off, stop stalking me, the guy asked for NO TIMEWASTERS
Report megsy October 5, 2013 3:48 AM BST
and wanted advice from locals who have been there before WHICH YOU HAVENT !!!
Report ima_mazed66 October 5, 2013 4:14 AM BST
LOL @ stalking you when you Aussies have your own forum. Local bullsh1t is still bullsh1t and I just didn't like to see the fella being put away by yet more of your b0ll0cks mugsy considering 2 of the last 3 winners and 3 of the last 7 winners had been ridden by overseas jockeys, so like I said, if they have the horse and get a bit of luck in running blah blah blah....

I think you'll find too that the OP doesn't actually mention local anything and that's just due to your lack of retaining info problems, even though you only had to scroll up and read it again. He also asked had anyone been before which is a specific question and then asked for tips/advice, he didn't say you have to have done the former to have a view on the latter, or else you have no right to comment on any European racing unless you have been to those meetings but it still doesn't stop you talking b0ll0cks like saying Moonlight Cloud is male and is a multiple winner at 6f. Laugh

Oh and apart from anything else, I reckon there are plenty of us in the northern hemisphere who know a lot more about the current and ex-UK and Irish horses than you lot down there and that includes some of your trainers too, who run our ex-12f horses at a mile and then wonder why they finish strung out like the washing and why don't you tell us again that Michael Stoute doesn't know as much about Sea Moon and training horses as some of your trainers down there and how they were going to turn the horse into a speed machine ffs!

Comedy gold from down under!Laugh
Report Flippit October 5, 2013 4:38 AM BST
Being an Englishman who has been lucking to attend the Melbourne Cup on three occassions, I have to disagree with megsy. The atmosphere has never 'blown me away'. Sure, it's a good race day, plenty of people (probably too many people). Probably 10% are there for the racing, the other 90% wouldn't know there was a horse there. Newmarket nights on a bigger scale without a B list band really, and more drunks. If you want to bet in every race, either use a mobile device or risk not seeing a race live (unless you have reserved a grandstand seat)

It's worth going to say you've been, but unless you are connected to a runner I wouldn't tell people to go again.

Do NOT even attempt to drive to the track unless you plan on getting there by 8-8.30am. Just jump on the train direct from Southern Cross to Flemington (on cup day they will run every 15mins I believe).

Derby day is the day to be there. The BEST racing of the Spring Carnival - again the place is jam packed full of people, but usually more of a racing orientated crowd.

The Melbourne night life on Tuesday night is a must, the crown complex is where most go for a good meal and then to the casino (if they have had a successful day on the punt).

Like I say, it's worth going to say you've been but for me it's never never lived up to how it's billed around the world. I've had much better experiences in Dubai, Singapore and at the Breeders' Cup - which is where I'll be this year.

What tickets do you have for the races?
Report megsy October 5, 2013 8:16 AM BST
many european trainers are blown away by the experiance.


so your stating your a visiting trainer flippit??Crazy


im amug, correct your stupid post re sea moon, always said he was dour, not brilliant, ohhh by the way, he got beat today at his prefered distance and the 3rd horse a bee's dyck away was a hurdler.Laugh

irishone, try getting to melbourne the saturday prior, the weight for age championship of australian racing,

if you want to hit the town during your stay, try king street city, chapel street sth yarra or crown casino, plenty of resturants, music and irish pubs in melbourne too.
Report megsy October 5, 2013 8:20 AM BST
and another 500 word reply from im amug, havent you learnt yet.Tongue OutWink
Report irishone October 5, 2013 10:18 AM BST
im over there for two weekends with my cousin, he's supposed to have access to a box at Flemington, i'm staying in perth, booked the trip with tiger air sunday to thursday, first weekend is the Melbourne cup second is the greyhound weekend two weeks later. staying in perth for the rest of the time, at a family stud.

thanks for the advice lads . appreciated.
Report megsy October 5, 2013 10:27 AM BST
irishone, further to my reasoning re local jockeys.

only 2 french jockeys have won the melbourne cup and irish jockey Mick Kinane won it on vintage crop in 3 attempts, as good as he was, the 2 failures on vintage crop he slaughtered the horse and in one cup he ruined the chances of nearly half the field turning for home. dermott weld decided to use a local top jockey to ride media puzzle who won going away.

theres been many hard luck stories regarding English, irish horses because of the stop start tempo of the race which is jockey error in most cases.


after saying that a uk jockey probably wins the first time this year,lol


my tip is mount athos, trainer Luca Cumani deserves a win in this race after near misses, including a hard luck story 5th last year with this horse with Ryan Moore on board.he is very well weighted.

my opinion



and what i meant by  many european trainers are blown away by the experiance.

none had experiance being part of a street parade like in the city of melbourne, people 10-15 deep watching and cheering the process, they have never witnessed so much hype in the media, the experiance of the melbourne cup that stopped 2 nations ( australia and new zealand ) and every parks n gardens have chicken and champane breakfast or snags and every office and most family and friends had cup sweeps whilst having a bbq. and thats just part of the experiance.

hope you have a fantastic time....cheers
Report AFL October 5, 2013 11:33 AM BST
"Nowhere in the world have I encountered a festival of people that has such a magnificent appeal to the whole nation. The Cup astonishes me."

-           Mark Twain

In 1895, at the age of 60, Mark Twain (1835 – 1910)  embarked on a world wide lecture tour to raise funds to pay creditors.  His tour took in Africa, India and Australia, where he lectured at the Athenaeum, visited the Victorian goldfields and attended the Melbourne Cup.  The latter event prompted him to make the above comment at a public lecture.

It should be remembered that the Melbourne Cup was first held in 1861, so that the exuberance he described had developed in a relatively brief period.

Twain described Melbourne and the Cup in a chapter in his 1897 book Following the Equator:


Melbourne spreads around over an immense area of ground. It is a stately city architecturally as well as in magnitude…It is the largest city of Australasia, and fills the post with honour and credit. It has one specialty; this must not be jumbled in with those other things. It is the mitered Metropolitan of the Horse-Racing Cult.

Its raceground is the Mecca of Australasia. On the great annual day of sacrifice - the 5th of November, Guy Fawkes’s Day - business is suspended over a stretch of land and sea as wide as from New York to San Francisco, and deeper than from the northern lakes to the Gulf of Mexico; and every man and woman, of high degree or low, who can afford the expense, put away their other duties and come.

They begin to swarm in by ship and rail a fortnight before the day, and they swarm thicker and thicker day after day, until all the vehicles of transportation are taxed to their uttermost to meet the demands of the occasion, and all hotels and lodgings are bulging outward because of the pressure from within. They come a hundred thousand strong, as all the best authorities say, and they pack the spacious grounds and grandstands and make a spectacle such as is never to be seen in Australasia elsewhere.

It is the “Melbourne Cup” that brings this multitude together. Their clothes have been ordered long ago, at unlimited cost, and without bounds as to beauty and magnificence, and have been kept in concealment until now, for unto this day are they consecrate. I am speaking of the ladies’ clothes; but one might know that.

And so the grand-stands make a brilliant and wonderful spectacle, a delirium of colour, a vision of beauty. The champagne flows, everybody is vivacious, excited, happy; everybody bets, and gloves and fortunes change hands right along, all the time. Day after day the races go on, and the fun and the excitement are kept at white heat; and when each day is done, the people dance all night so as to be fresh for the race in the morning.

And at the end of the great week the swarms secure lodgings and transportation for next year, then flock away to their remote homes and count their gains and losses, and order next year’s Cup-clothes, and then lie down and sleep two weeks, and get up sorry to reflect that a whole year must be put in somehow or other before they can be wholly happy again.

The Melbourne Cup is the Australasian National Day. It would be difficult to overstate its importance. It overshadows all other holidays and specialised days of whatever sort in that congeries of colonies.

Overshadows them? I might almost say it blots them out. Each of them gets attention, but not everybody’s; each of them evokes interest, but not everybody’s; each of them rouses enthusiasm, but not everybody’s; in each case a part of the attention, interest, and enthusiasm is a matter of habit and custom, and another part of it is official and perfunctory.

Cup Day, and Cup Day only, commands an attention, an interest, and an enthusiasm which are universal - and spontaneous, not perfunctory. Cup Day is supreme it has no rival. I can call to mind no specialised annual day, in any country, which can be named by that large name - Supreme.

I can call to mind no specialised annual day, in any country, whose approach fires the whole land with a conflagration of conversation and preparation and anticipation and jubilation. No day save this one;

but this one does it.

....................................................................



Add a visit to the Melbourne Museum to view the mighty Phar Lap
Report ima_mazed66 October 5, 2013 12:20 PM BST
LOL...pot kettle and black mugsy, what was it you were saying about 500 word replies? Plus how many times do you double post due to your lack of retaining information problems causing an afterthought? I've told you anyway numerous times that the bulk of my posts are spent having to correct the b0ll0cks you talk even before I even make my own point.

Surprise surprise I yet again have to spoon feed into little kiddie bitesize pieces something your limited intellect can't work out for itself but if Sea Moon was just now beaten at its preferred trip then that goes to show what little chance it must have had when your so called superior know all trainers run it are far too short a trip. Why don't you tell us the full circumstances of how Sea Moon just got beat Mugsy or does that not really support your (lack of argument) or were you hoping nobody else would know? Was it just coincidence that the horse has finished 12th of 14 at a mile and 13th of 14 at 1m1f but then was FPTP despite having not the best of draws and coming from last to first it managed to "win" when stepped up to 12f-ish.

Oh and nobody was saying it would or wouldn't win for certain at its preferred trip and just that it would have  a better chance and nice to see you backtracking on the Sea Moon running far too short issue when you were telling us how your trainers turned out stayers into speedster when everyone on here was telling you a mile was far too short for the horse. It had not run at those trips since its 2YO days and now once your trainers have been shown up for what they are and gullible mugs like you put your trust in them, suddenly you move the goalposts and claim the horse is a dour stayer after everyone here was right and had been telling you so.....And your lot claim Aidan O'Brien didn't know how to train and so ruined SYT. Your mob have turned Sea Moon into a shadow of the horse that he was. Like I said, comedy gold. Laugh

Oh and by the way, no comment on the overseas jockeys recent MC race record then? Let me guess how it goes, you spout b0ll0cks, I correct your spouted b0ll0cks, you fail to comment on any of it and pretend it never happened? Blush
Report Flippit October 5, 2013 3:20 PM BST
Sea Moon actually 'won' today before the result was overturned in what I'm hearing was a tragedy of a decision by the Flemington stewards.

Mugsy must like the seedy strip clubs if he is trying to convince you to visit King St! I'll never go down that street again!

Irishone, Perth is a lovely city. Stayed there once or twice myself. Try and visit Ascot races while you're over there - not a bad little spot for some summer racing.

Which stud are you staying at?
Report irishone October 5, 2013 5:41 PM BST
hogans bencubbin , why ?

have ascot in mind but mainly going for the doggies
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 5, 2013 6:48 PM BST
I've been to about 10, more rarely as time goes on.

imo, Melbourne Cup Day is now an "event" built around a horse-race. Once a yearers, fancy-dressy costumes, youngsters,

tourists and schmoozers schmoozing in the enormous and lavish corporate enclaves is now the reality. The rest of the day's

"card" are pretty ordinary events (10 races?) that provide sponsors an opportunity for mass exposure.

However, it's still "The Cup" and IF you do in fact have access to a box it sounds like a fantastic opportunity to see

it
..... then leave straight after if you wished.

Saturday prior is Derby Day and traditionally a great "card". Still 100k? in attendance and lots of "joojing", but a

far more "racing" crowd.

Thursday is Oaks Day, Ladies Day, 80k? Probably somewhere in-between the first two days...lots of focus on

things less racing..... if you like a perv.....go.

After Derby Day, the last Saturday is my pick. Really good racing and the hype is on the wane, much more subdued.

60k? expected and you're a chance of actually wandering most of the course if you wished.


Good Luck.



PS. ImaMazdaBongoVan.

I'll spare you what you deserve for the appalling lack of manners shown on this thread.

Read the thread, read it again... if you don't think you're out of order....SEEK HELP.

If you do realize it.......give yourself an uppercut anyway.

Turd.
Report ima_mazed66 October 5, 2013 7:19 PM BST
The danger THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON of joining in something halfway through is that you inevitably miss how it started and I treat all posters with the respect or contempt that they treat me and so that is dictated by them.

Presumably you had something in your eye when those from down under initially started throwing around the insults? You're also not adverse to doing it yourself too for that matter and I prefer to focus on the issues and points being made but I'm not shy about giving back any sh1t I get given either.

Whilst you are at it, you might also want to check on who introduced the petty name calling in the thread too or will you also do the burying your head in the sand trick and pretend it never happened once you have been put right about matters too?
Report megsy October 6, 2013 5:37 AM BST
cant agree anymore SPOOOON..... imamug, you have shown a complete lack of manners towards the thread owner.

you have hijacked this thread as you do, you should be totally ashamed at such disgusting behavior when someone is asking advise which you have no idea about.


all your bullshyt imamug from a man who said "stallions/entires" dont race Crazy

ohh and by the way 4 trips at not 6 as i said but 6 1/2 furlongs moonlight cloud ran over and won, still a sprint distance sunshine and 3 were group 1's

she won a further 5 at 7f and it wasnt until 3 seasons later she won her first mile race and only 4 started and the placegetters were 1m 2f horses Wink where's that make her a specialist miler uh imamug?? you once said she was a failed miler and now you pretend differently.


but im not here to argue, respect for a mans thread.
Report irishone October 6, 2013 11:30 AM BST
No hassle ... thanks lads Plain
Report ima_mazed66 October 6, 2013 12:24 PM BST
You really should get those retaining information problems looked at professionally mugsy as you never know, maybe as a kid you sniffed up a marble and it's still lodged up there and causing you problems because as you by now well know, that's not what I said regarding stallions and I even challenged you to show me where I supposedly said that and whoever was wrong between us would donate £100 or $100 to the other's chose charity, but then you bottled going through with that as fast at Black Caviar's connections bottled coming back here again to try to redeem her ruined reputation.

LOL...you post all of that b0ll0cks above and then add "but im not here to argue, respect for a mans thread" you really couldn't make it up. Look back like I pointed out to THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON and see who initially took the thread down a notch with the petty name-calling (it was you btw and damn those retaining info problems once again) and my first post showed no disrespect at all to the OP and I was in fact doing him a favour after you misled him about the local jockeys bullsh1t and once again you and THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON pretend you haven't been put in your place over that by failing to respond to facts like they had never happened.

As for Moonlight Cloud, 6f is 6f and your claim was the horse had won several 6f races (are we forgetting you didn't know her sex either too now?) which isn't the case. Funny how when I said a Scenic Blast was Australian Champion Sprinter twice when it was only once but was also Australian Champion Racehorse of the Year that same year, you've had a hard-on over that ever since yet now when you have been show up for a mug, pretending you are an expect on European racing you want to ignore your finer detail mistakes and afford yourself something you didn't allow me....Double standards much? Wink

For the record anyway, Moonlight Cloud had won at trips like 6f110y which will be rounded up to 7f and when she has done it's usually been against genuine 6f sprinters anyway where her stamina has kicked in considering she is a winner at a mile and you Aussies can thank your lucky stars that Ascot was only the dead 6f or else your supposedly superstar mare would have finished 3rd at best.

I've never once said Moonlight Cloud was a failed miler (those retaining info problems must be a nightmare for you ffs!) and what I actually said was we in the UK don't tend to have too many decent sprinters, so our Gr1s are generally made up if failed milers and promoted handicappers and whilst geography wasn't my strongest subject at school, I think I'm right in saying that France isn't in the UK.

As for MC I also don't believe I've ever said she was a "specialist" miler and that's you once again wrongly attributing things to others to suit your argument and what I have said is that BC beat generally 7f to a mile horses and promoted handicappers but anyway. MC has only run at 6f twice in 18 starts, has run at a mile for 5 of those 18 and 4 of those 5 mile starts have been within her last 6 races, so in no way can she be described as a sprinter yet was within a flared nostril of turning over the supposedly best sprinter ever according to you Aussies! Oh and don't get me started on the merits (or lack of) concerning the 3rd horse that day!

I love the way too that the "place getters" in MC's first mile win were 1m2f horses. Would that be Farhh with 0 wins from 3 starts at 1m2f but 3 wins at a mile? Or maybe Sarkiyla having won one 3 runner non-group level race at 1m2f but was beaten fav in a 1m2f conditions race next time and also beaten at the trip at group level and only raced at that distance 3 times from 12 starts with the last being the horse's last race but 8 of its 12 races and 2 of its 4 races have been at a mile,? Or did you mean the 4th runner that day Caspar Netscher that has never run beyond a mile in 20 starts, so did you mean those 1m2f place getter horses? Laugh

See the only trouble with making up b0ll0cks to suit your argument mugsy is that the facts are there on record and can be questioned and then they show you up for the bluffer that you are.
Report BJT October 6, 2013 12:56 PM BST
Tips/Advice all in one:
If that is the kind of person you are leaving behind, forget the tickets, and spend the money on some new ones and get over here quick smart.

You will have a ball.  It all happens at the races, and what doesnt' tickle your fancy, won't be far away in Melbourne.

Have a good one.
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 6, 2013 1:03 PM BST
LaughCan you believe this cunnt?

...if it's not actually some kind of machine......an absolute fkn fruitcake Cry
Report megsy October 7, 2013 12:39 AM BST
LaughLaugh

im excited !!!!!!! 1000+ words of dribble Excited
Report megsy October 7, 2013 12:44 AM BST
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For the record anyway, Moonlight Cloud had won at trips like 6f110y which will be rounded up to 7f and when she has done it's usually been against genuine 6f sprinters anyway



last time i went to school 220 yards is a furlong, so 6f 110yd's = 6 1/2 furlongs, stick that up ya @rse n smoke it Grin
Report ima_mazed66 October 7, 2013 1:46 AM BST
LOL...THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON nice to see you have dodged the issues once again and it's you claiming I have shown a lack of manners on the OP's thread and when I have to slap you down on that by correcting you and pointed out exactly who it was taking it down to gutter level it's apparently me who's the fruitcake.

You really couldn't make it up. Laugh

I think the word you are searching for is drivel mugsy, dribble is what you do as you silently mouth the words and follow with your finger on screen whilst reading and then try to retain what you have just read. Like I keep telling you but you fail to hold on to, my posts would be half the length if I didn't have to constantly keep correcting your bullsh1t first before making my own valid points.

Yes 220 yards equal a furlong but 6f 110y isn't 6f so maybe you need to go back to school (as if that was ever in doubt anyway) because not only has Moonlight Cloud never won at 6f as you laughingly claimed she has and multiple times too, but once a number hits .50 after it then despite being an equal amount away from the two whole numbers either side of it, the general rule is that you round up and not down. You even bolded me saying that above and still have made yourself look a d1ck in trying and failing to counter that fact, considering if the trip was 6f and 10 yards I would hardly have said it would be rounded up to 7f now would I? I've asked you enough times before to please stop typing as I expect you don't succeed in much in life but every time you post you clearly succeed in making a tw@t of yourself!.

Maybe you were with the school nurse trying to get the marble out that you sniffed up your nose the day they covered rounding up in the maths lesson eh? Laugh
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 7, 2013 2:01 AM BST
"issues"

that's as far as i got....and that one word says it all really. Sad

SEEK HELP.....seriously, seek help.

Poor gerbil Cry
Report megsy October 7, 2013 2:20 AM BST
By: This user is offline. megsy
Date Joined: 01 Aug 11 Add contact When: 06 Oct 13 05:37 cant agree anymore SPOOOON..... imamug, you have shown a complete lack of manners towards the thread owner.

you have hijacked this thread as you do, you should be totally ashamed at such disgusting behavior when someone is asking advise which you have no idea about.


all your bullshyt imamug from a man who said "stallions/entires" dont race

ohh and by the way 4 trips at not 6 as i said but 6 1/2 furlongs moonlight cloud ran over and won, still a sprint distance sunshine and 3 were group 1's


you acuse SPOOON of dodging , FFS you have been dodging your stupity about stallions "dont race"

now you try to say 61/2 furlongs is closer to 7f than 6f Laugh


you keep repeating the same dribble ( yes dribble, it oozes from your mouth as you type bullshyt Wink
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 7, 2013 2:23 AM BST
"dodging" Laugh

The machine presumes people read it's rancid data-drivel.

Cry Sad
Report xmoneyx October 7, 2013 3:24 AM BST
so if you cant score 1st Tuesday of November,you never willCool
Report megsy October 7, 2013 4:48 AM BST
drib·ble (drbl)
v. drib·bled, drib·bling, drib·bles
v.intr.

1. To flow or fall in drops or an unsteady stream; trickle: Water dribbled from the leaky faucet.
2. To let saliva drip from the mouth; drool.



ima_mazed66
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dribble is what you do as you silently mouth the words and follow with your finger on screen whilst reading and then try to retain what you have just read. Like I keep telling you but you fail to hold on to, my posts would be half the length if I didn't have to constantly keep correcting your bullsh1t first before making my own valid points.



like i posted ima mug you keep repeating the same dribble ( yes dribble, it oozes from your mouth as you type bullshyt,Laugh


maybe i wouldnt have to write it so much if you at least knew what the word meant Wink

i think you have Pseudologia fantastica Crazy
Report jacfin October 7, 2013 7:56 AM BST
Irish
I live near Perth. Which stud are you staying at, if you don't mind me asking.
Report ima_mazed66 October 7, 2013 4:20 PM BST
LOL...you're not very bright really are you THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON? Otherwise you would spot the contradiction here when I said you dodged the issue after I put you in your place and you had no comebacks about who started the petty name calling and how I gave the OP some good advice to counter mugsy's bad, yet you claim "The machine presumes people read it's rancid data-drivel" so please explain how you have deemed it as that if you haven't read it....but you're kidding nobody, you read every single word. Wink

Oh and it's is an abbreviation of "it is" and the word you were searching for is "its" but well done at least on the drivel part and maybe you can have a crack at explaining drivel and dribble to mugsy.

I bet you are the type of plank mugsy ho repeats a quip to the same company of people that have only just heard it said to them by someone else and then wonders why nobody laughs the second time. I've already had to spoon feed you the different between drivel and dribble and then you try to repeat it back to me. Erm, "Epic Fail" is what I think the kids call it these days. Laugh
Report megsy October 7, 2013 11:06 PM BST
drib•ble (drbl)
v. drib•bled, drib•bling, drib•bles v.intr.

1. To flow or fall in drops or an unsteady stream; trickle: Water dribbled from the leaky faucet.
2. To let saliva drip from the mouth; drool.

Where the fcuk does it say

“dribble is what you do as you silently mouth the words and follow with your finger on screen whilst reading and then try to retain what you have just read. Like I keep telling you but you fail to hold on to, my posts would be half the length if I didn't have to constantly keep correcting your bullsh1t first before making my own valid points.

Let me explain something you didn’t know,Wink  downunder when someone talks shyt all the time we call it  dribbling bullshyt, “again” it oozes from the mouth . in this continue case “yours” pmsl Laugh

Again you keep dodging your own totally embarrassing statements I think you really know you fcuked up by stating and hoping they will go away,lol Laugh

1…… you said stallions don’t race, so what do they do I ask you? “tuck their balls between their legs before they jump?   pmsl Laugh

2……..you stated  6 ½ furlongs is closer to 7f than 6 furlongs….pmsl Laugh

Ohh and by the way, the last time I read the Larc Prix Maurice de Gheest was a sprint race and the horse who ran second to a tired, injured horse ( Black caviar, whose jockey erred a few strides from the post has won the Larc Prix Maurice de Gheest group 1 the last 3 years beating your super sprinter society rock by 4 lens and recently your newly claimed champion sprinter, lethal force by just under 2 lens.

It makes Black Caviars win more impressive doesn’t it eh? Wink

And you at the time called the field of the diamond jubilee full of avererage horses.
And whats this you are thinking, moonlight cloud prefer distance is 7f ?she has won 6 times at the distance compared to 4 at 6 1/2... go google the head line “Black Caviar challenge does not frighten Freddie Head”

I can put you on your asre on so much stupidity you have said over many months ima mug, but  I cant make you a bigger fcukwit than you are now right now !!Laugh
Report harry2.1 October 8, 2013 12:09 AM BST
Australia has just had a general election. The main concern is about the number of illegal immigrants there are.

Government sources suggest around 60,000.

Aboriginal sources say it's more like twenty two and a half million of the ****.
Report ima_mazed66 October 8, 2013 12:43 AM BST
Let me tell you something you didn't know mugsy, not everyone has to mouth the words as they type like you probably do and apart from anything else, you claimed I talked dribble when you clearly meant drivel but didn't have the brain capacity to know the difference. Yes people can dribble from the mouth or even bullsh1t can dribble out of it or off the tongue and I'm sure you must know that better than most, but the expression is taking drivel not talking dribble.....I suppose now you think I've put a damp "squid" on things for you by pointing that out and are on "tender" hooks waiting for the next time I have to correct you and nip it in the "butt.". Laugh

I've already corrected the stallion thing numerous times before where you claim I said something I didn't (those pesky info retaining problems again) but suggest you go back to check if you have another marble stuck up your nose because you can't just constantly make up stuff yourself and attribute it to others as it doesn't work like that in the grown ups world, so nowhere did I say 6½ furlongs is closer to 7f than 6f and even made a point on mentioning the done thing is to round up and not down despite them being equal (key word) distance apart of the ½. If it was anyone else I'd think they were on deliberate wind up by constantly getting it wrong but you have a natural talent for seeing words on screen and getting them muddle by the time they reach your limited mind.

Sprint races are 5f and 6f and a clue is the Global Sprint Challenge being made up of races of that distance. In the UK its the 5f July Cup and King's Stand and 6f Jubilee Stakes, over there it's the Lightning Stakes which at 1000m is just shy of 5f and the Patinack which being 1200m is just short of 6f and the same for the rest of the races in the series. Frankel and Excelebration ran at 7f after their 2YO campaigns but it doesn't make them sprinters and how many times did your sprinter (key word again) Black Caviar run 7f, once wasn't it? 6½ and 7f races are a hybrid distance, which is why when Frankel would have annihilated Black Caviar it would only have been fair to her to have raced at 7f.

You can bullsh1t all you like but Moonlight Cloud isn't a sprinter and if she was beating the likes of Society Rock and Lethal Force at 6½ or 7f that's because those horses actually are sprinters with the clue being the fact they ran a combined 40 races and had one win at 7f between them with LF winning on a flat course like Newbury on its favoured Good to Firm ground when leading all the way when given too much leeway by the others jockeys and was dying at the line but just held on. The sprinter LF tried to lead all the way in the 7f Larc Prix Maurice de Gheest but did get home and the 7f to a mile horse MC only hit the front in the race inside the final furlong. Hmmmmm, I wonder why that was. Confused

Moonlight Cloud is a top class 7f to a mile horse and so is obviously going to still be competitive at 6f and especially a stiff 6f like Ascot and why would Freddie Head fear Black Caviar anyway as he knows far better than Luke Nolen how stiff the 6f at Ascot is with its uphill finish, putting a bit more emphasis on stamina than an easy 6f. We've done to death the no proof on any BC injury during the race and how Nolen didn't dismount and even rode back up and down the track in a victory parade (you've probably not retained any of that either) but you can be sure that if Ascot had been 6½ furlongs and not a sprint then that would have been the end of BC's unbeaten record for certain.

Sorry for the long post yet again but that's your fault as once again I'm having to correct more of your made up stuff attributed to me despite doing so several times before but I didn't say "the diamond jubilee full of avererage horses" I said it was made up of mainly (key word there yet again) 7f to mile horses, as in MC and promoted handicappers and the only decent sprinter we had was Society Rock but the starter gave BC 6L on SR yet there was only 2L at the line but if you want to gloat that you so-called sprint superstar fell over the line beating a miler then fair enough.

Like I've said to you on many occasions before (but you've probably forgotten lol) there's nothing funnier than a total tw@t like you with limited intellect thinking they are belittling someone who will lose them and find them again. Just like watching a little yappy dog in the park trying to give it a much bigger dog and being laughed at by all and sundry. tThe funniest part is that you don't even get that and how it makes you look. Laugh
Report bannahan October 8, 2013 1:12 AM BST
harry 2.1 absolutely PMSL LaughLaugh
Report value bet October 8, 2013 2:11 AM BST
Puissence De Lune is gone!

Attention Punters, trade out of Puissence Del Lune now and show a profit or you will lose the lot.

This horse is gone.

Why so?

Well it started sensationally on strong fitness factors with a good blood count of 85% and won like a good horse at Caulfield over 1400 metres to promote to favouritizm in our Melbourne Cup.

Now in it's 3 runs since it is all heading down hill from now on because 1: the trainer has not got it's blood count on the right spiral upwards but 2 more imporantly it's strength factors are disappearing and that means it's hypertrophic levels are rapidly fading.

Why?

Media pressure and from the owners "Let's see our champion win" would be the call, so the trainer increases it's program to more miles and yes, it looks so fit, however he has sacrifisced must have strength and hypertrophic levels in the process.

The horse probably is down 20 plus kg in body weight on it's first up win and now is getting so lean that he will not have enough time to back off the training, put weight on and turn that strength factors into muscle on muscle.

He still has time to peak in blood count, but putting weight back on a horse in full work is a mommoth task.

No punters; this horse is gone where as others around it are getting stronger and fitter, Puissance De Lune is rapidly running out of power to finish off it's races.

Cash in now

Jim
Report megsy October 8, 2013 2:53 AM BST
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for the recordMoonlight Cloud had won at trips like 6f110y which will be rounded up to 7f


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so nowhere did I say 6½ furlongs is closer to 7f than 6f

you corrected the stallion statement?...like fcuk you have...bury that head sunshine WinkLaugh
Report megsy October 8, 2013 2:56 AM BST
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Australia has just had a general election. The main concern is about the number of illegal immigrants there are.

Government sources suggest around 60,000.

Aboriginal sources say it's more like twenty two and a half million of the ****.



you got the figure wrong, its 2 and a half million of whinging **** poms WinkGrin
Report megsy October 8, 2013 3:02 AM BST
ohh by the way imamug, keep up the charade, we all know your a fcuking goose in a goose costume, why try to hide it then show it Wink


ps thank you, thank you, thank youHappy, i got you to write a 500+ word reply, keep up the good work like a good little girl you are Grin


ohhh by the way, doesnt it now show have pathetic your milers are that a 6 1/2 -7f horse is your best miler since frankel retired, shows what sort of horses he was beating


awaits another 500+ LaughWink
Report ima_mazed66 October 8, 2013 3:31 AM BST
So in your frazzled vacuum of a brain mugsy, me saying:

for the record Moonlight Cloud had won at trips like 6f110y which will be rounded up to 7f

that goes into your head and somehow gets processed as me supposed saying that its nearer to 7f that 6f? LMFAO you really could make this sh1t up. Laugh

Once again I'm having to correct you on what I said about stallions when you claimed I said stallions don't race and I said no such thing. I actually said in racing terms horses aren't considered or labelled stallions until they go to stud which isn't even remotely close to how you somehow managed to interpret that. You also don't "make" me write 500 word replies of anything, that's just you backtracking having made a d1ck of yourself when trying to fathom out what I have actually said and then when I spend the first half of each posting explaining it back to you yet again, you try to kid on but are fooling nobody but yourself that you failed to grasp it deliberately rather than just via incompetence.

Just as you have failed to grasp that Moonlight Cloud isn't actually a 6½ to 7f horse but the best miler since Frankel as you state, when she's actually a 7f to a mile horse and has run at a mile several times including the BC Mile (clue in the race name) and has Gr1 wins at that trip too. I doubt if she goes to the BC meeting this season too she will be running in a race called the Breeders' Cup 6½-7f either and my money's on the mile. Laugh
Report megsy October 8, 2013 6:11 AM BST
you are one desperate goose Laugh hypocrite too Wink

how long have i been telling you she was a certainty beaten when 4th to the over rated excelebration

4 wins at 6 1/2 f,  6 at 4f and 2 just falling in at the mile dont make "her" a specialist miler as you have stated in the past.

oh and your the one who rounded 6 1/2f up to 7f, fcukin gooseWhoops

every past australian winner of the diamond jubilee had won at 7f or a mile and you still call them aussie sprinters, ffs WinkLaugh
so what does that make moonlight cloud winning 3 group 1's at the sprint distance of 6 1/2 f??

please please another 500+ words, it makes my fishing hour so much better Wink


Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 8, 2013 7:19 AM BST
Still no medication BFFanatic/BongoVan?  Sad

Starts off with "Let me tell you something" then (I fear ) thinks people will read on. Laugh

Just save your burble gland and stick to rash but pleasingly brief ridiculous generalisms and Nostradamus-like edicts

DECLARING the winner of hypothetical races.

Tragic Cry
Report ima_mazed66 October 8, 2013 10:58 PM BST
To cut my posts down mugsy to under 500 words I'd have to only be repeating some of the things over again but let's start on if you think Moonlight Cloud was a certainty to have beaten Excelebration then pack away the computer now as this game clearly isn't for you.

She was a little unlucky in running but was still well beaten by almost 2L but if you reckon she's a sprinter then it does seem strange that she was running on at the finish of a mile race......Unless of course she is actually a 7f to a mile horse and nowhere have I said she was a specialist miler as I'm having to repeat and put you right yet again, but I'll tell you what she certainly isn't for sure and that's a 4f horse:

megsy

how long have i been telling you she was a certainty beaten when 4th to the over rated excelebration

4 wins at 6 1/2 f,  6 at 4f and 2 just falling in at the mile dont make "her" a specialist miler as you have stated in the past.

oh and your the one who rounded 6 1/2f up to 7f, fcukin goose


Attempted abuse from a total plank who not only thought Moonlight Cloud was male but is also a 4f horse and still doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" ffs!!!! Laugh

What race did McC run in at last year's Breeders' Cup? How many of her last 7 races have been at a mile? How many wins does she have at the sprint distance of 6f? Laugh

As for your laughable and nonsensical assessment of MC "2 just falling in at the mile" don't confuse that with what Black Caviar did at Ascot. How exactly does a horse "fall" anyway when running on strong at the finish and coming from behind to win at a mile, especially too when according to you it's a sprinter? Doesn't that suggest it was quickening at the finish and certainly not "falling" over anything, particularly as one of MC's mile wins was over Farhh and that got within 4L of Frankel at a mile, has top class Gr1 form at 1m2f and set out to make all and ensure the mile was a stamina test that should certainly have found out any so called sprinter? Plus that would be the same Farhh that absolutely hosed up in the Lockinge too at a mile would it?

MC's other mile win you talk about (both Gr1s too btw) was when beating such horses as Intello, Declaration Of War that had won this season's Queen Anne, Dawn Approach that had won the 2000gns and the St James's and was just touched off in the Sussex and Elusive Kate has won multiple Gr1s and has top class form in France. All of these were classy milers but according to you were done by a sprinter. You don't half talk some f@nny and then when shown up for the clueless halfwit that you are, then try to pretend that you were fishing all along. Laugh

6½ and 7f aren't sprint distances, they are hybrids and how many more times do you need to be told so? Frankel and Excelebrtion made their 3YO debuts in the 7f Greenham, Excelebration made his 4YO debut in the 7f Gladness Stakes and as for the "overrated" Excelebration, if it wasn't for Frankel we would never have heard the last from you Aussies about how he was winning so many Gr1 here and was by an Aussie sire.

So what if every past Aussie winner of the Jubilee had won at 7f or a mile? How many times did they win at those trips? Does one 7f win from 25 starts mean Black Caviar wasn't a sprinter then? Please stop typing and totally embarrassing yourself. Hawk Wing won once at 1m2f when winning the Eclipse but the horse was still a miler. Once again I'm having to repeat that better class horses can win against lesser class rivals when raced at their less favoured trip despite it being their lesser rivals favoured trip, but they won't beat the very best rivals over trip that doesn't suit them best. Hawk Wing was later beaten twice by better class 1m2f horses so then dropped back to a mile. To prove that point again, Moonlight Cloud dodged Frankel and we didn't hear Freddy Head say he had no fears of taking him on but you yourself flagged up what he said about BC and also why didn't BC go for the million challenge in the Sussex against Frankel then if she supposedly wasn't a sprinter and the mile held no fears for her if she had won at 7f?

As for "every" past Aussie winner of the Jubilee having won at 7f or a mile, that amounts to the grand total of 2 (or are you going to try and claim Starspangledbanner also?) and we've already established Black Caviar was a sprinter and Choisir never actually won at either 7f nor a mile. Plus just for the record, Starspangledbanner only tried the mile once over there and ran at the sprint distances in Ireland/the UK of either 5f or 6f as you would expect from a horse sired by Choisir, but that must have been some p1ss poor Gr1 mile race Starspangledbanner won over there as in 2 Gr1 7f races in France it finished 11th of 11 and 14th of 16.
Report dewey October 8, 2013 11:05 PM BST
Won't be a u.k. winner that's fer sher.
Report megsy October 9, 2013 12:30 AM BST
750 word plus, im impressed Laugh hats off to you ima mug Wink come in sucka Laugh

Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON October 9, 2013 8:08 AM BST
Give it some space, Megsy. I think it's going to blow!!!! Cry

Sick unit.
Report irishone November 8, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
Thanks for all your advice lads
I have just got back to Perth
I won't be going to that Flemington place again
In comparison to Cheltenham, Royal Ascot, Galway and Punchestown it pails into insignificance
The ground was given as GOOD , but it wasn't (I got on the course early on Thursday and in Ireland it would be FIRM to HARD)
104000 were there, about 10% would be watching the races the rest on the beer, the fashion competition or a picnic
25 minute que (zig zag queing a la Disneyworld) for 4 beers max that became 2 later in the afternoon
10 minute queue for a TAB bet
How much money are they losing in those queues
A security guard told me the two can limit on beers was to stop 104000 people getting totally pi55ed
WAFLOB
Its like a lot of things in this god forsaken country
In twenty years they might have learnt, but the average aussie is so bull thick its unlikely to happen
Yes I was there....  wish I hadn't of been Cry
Report onlooker November 8, 2013 2:16 PM GMT
Oh dear -

Your post -  irishone - ended up right at the bottom of page 1 -

I am sure that  you would not want it to just be 'lost'  down there - as many new readers - and returners - to a thread, just start on the LATEST page .... So I have brought it to the top of page 2, for you, and that reason.

No doubt megsy, and Co, will be along presently - to present the case for the Defence.
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irishone     08 Nov 13 13:48

Thanks for all your advice lads
I have just got back to Perth
I won't be going to that Flemington place again
In comparison to Cheltenham, Royal Ascot, Galway and Punchestown it pails into insignificance
The ground was given as GOOD , but it wasn't (I got on the course early on Thursday and in Ireland it would be FIRM to HARD)
104000 were there, about 10% would be watching the races the rest on the beer, the fashion competition or a picnic
25 minute que (zig zag queing a la Disneyworld) for 4 beers max that became 2 later in the afternoon
10 minute queue for a TAB bet
How much money are they losing in those queues
A security guard told me the two can limit on beers was to stop 104000 people getting totally pi55ed
WAFLOB
Its like a lot of things in this god forsaken country
In twenty years they might have learnt, but the average aussie is so bull thick its unlikely to happen
Yes I was there....  wish I hadn't of been Cry
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