ANY REPORTS YET FROM TODAYS NBPA MEET??

yes.not allowed to go bigger than machine and 5% per runner minimum,if u dont obey the rules u will be ejected from the racecourse.

AS LONG AS U CAN STILL PITCH RENT AND HAVE AS MANY NAMES AS POSSIBLE ON THE OLD SCHED Y,THEN IM ALRIGHT JACK

yep,that was mentioned.

No phones on course, no I pads, computers or links to betfair.

Board and chalk only.

Big bag of cash.

Balls of steel.

plenty are still there enjoying the black sheep special

Is that all you've got to say ? Still getting your priorities right I see !!

ADGE,THEY SHOULD BE SELLING THE LOST SHEEP SPECIAL.

JUST CHECKED THE CODE BOOK,BLACK SHEEP=ILLUMINATI

it was quite interesting.i found out a few things i didnt know.steve claire(think thats right)spoke a lot of sense.a couple of quite important decisions were voted on.the no shows were a bit dissapointing but its a free country.

Not many there regit? First one I've missed for years but something came up that I had to do yesterday unfortunately.
Did BDH take to the floor?

didnt turn up.

one revealing bit of info. "THE MARKETING FEE" was never meant to market bookmakers just general admission so was added to narmal marketing pool.
jockey club had to do there own ew terms as bookmaking organisations kept missing deadlines and they were restricted by contracts.

SO AFTER MOANING ALL YEAR ...WHAT WEVE ACHEIVED IS JACK S%IT

I guessed that,basically just an additional fee dressed up as marketing.

YOU SOUND SURPRISED PAT

THE OBVIUOS HAS NEVER SUPRISED MON CHERIE

STEVE CLARE SPOKE A LOT OF SENSE,ANNOUNCING TO ALL ASSEMBLED THAT THE MARKETING FEE WOULD APPLY TO ANY DAY THAT ENDED IN A Y,TO WHICH HE RECEIVED A HEARTY ROUND OF APPLAUSE

AFTER CONCLUDING HIS LENGTHY BUT FORTHRIGHT SPEECH HE SAID WHEN I CLICK MY FINGERS YOU WILL ALL WAKE UP AND REMEMBER NOTHING OF WHICH WE HAVE JUST AGREED

you making an appearance this afternoon Mr Facts?

I THINK IVE JUST CHOCKED ON MI CRUMPET

NO SHOW FOR ME TODAY LORD GARFORTH

APPAERENTLY WHEN PEOPLE WERE EXPLAINING THERE WOES TO MR.CLAIRE HE WAS OVERHEARD AS SAYING ....EEEE BY GUM

the point to point retirement scheme wasn't clearly explained as it has been carefully costed over the next five years and fully supported by the whole board.
the downside being a small extra daily charge
the upside being a small retirement pot , move ups for all on the lists , some reduction in bookmaker list numbers , no tatts bookmakers turning up renting pitches in front of you for example

and with steve clare in attendance , the subject of those floor votes mentioned will be reported to all racecourse groups this morning.
sorry , I can't say more on that

LOLOLOLOL THANKS A BUNCH

Is that all of consequence there is to report adge ? Some trivia about point to point arrangements. Words fail me - be ready for a broadside at the seaside and I'm not talking beer or weather !!!!!!!

Since your silence speaks volumes adge - any chance of you telling us the gravity of Black Sheep Special ?

4.4

And your consumption was ? I trust it did not impair your input or understanding of what was being discussed. How did you rate the meeting 'waste of time' 'productive' 'thought provoking with a view to future initiatives being made to improve matters' or something else ? Or does your lofty position in this august body prevent you from answering ?

Yeah adge, spill the beans!

Adge/ regit anything about bloody pitch renting schedule y abuse ?

ITS BLOODY ANNOYING ALL THIS WE CANT SAY ANY MORE RUBBISH,WHEN I RANG MY SPY WHO ATTENDED,HE SAID HE REMEMBERS EVERYTHING UNTIL STEVE CLARE BEGAN TO SPEAK,WHEN I ASKED MY MAN WHAT DID HE SAY,THE REPLY WAS LOOK INTO MY EYES LOOK INTO MY EYES NOT MY NOSE OR MY MOUTH THE EYES,AND HE COULD REMEMBER A THING AFTER THAT

Sounds like a CLAREvoyant !!!

YEP THATS WHAT THE ONCOURSEBOOKS WILL SHOUTING IN A FEW WEEKS TIME,"IS THERE ANYBODY THERE"

ON A DIFFERENT NOTE,I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN THE FRB

And the anticipated outcome of that 'no confidence vote' FACT is likely to be what ?

ENLIGHTEN ME????

Perhaps they should have asked the floor how they felt as a profession that out of 80+ books at Donny on Saturday only 8 were betting traditional places on the Portland......... now I don't know what the % win & place book looked like......  and this was read out by Tanya on CH4 and followed with 'come on lads ridiculous' or words similar........

How many people will be watching that and possibly will go racing over the next month 6 months a year.......... Fred in his shops tells any punters going racing that day to bet in his shops cos they will be ripped off by Chesterbet at the tracks..... don't think he implicates Racecourse bookies as yet.......

Self Destruct or what.........................

SPOT ON RR,U COULDNT WRITE IT

AT CHESTER ON SATURDAY SAW THE AMAZING SIGHT OF SEEING A PITCH RENTER PAYING THE MARKETING FEE FOR THE PITCH HE WAS RENTING

It's all short term Fact------ they think we have a crowd in front today lets do what we like........... what's the audience on CH4 at home......... how many think I ll remember that next time I go racing............   they should be doing the exact opposite and trying to build a sustainable business model. that will survive the test of time............ And this will only start at the top..........

AT CHESTER ON SATURDAY SAW THE AMAZING SIGHT OF SEEING A PITCH RENTER PAYING THE MARKETING FEE FOR THE PITCH HE WAS RENTINGLaugh

Don't know if to laugh or cry     

The Association is bound by its constitution to hold an AGM but it becomes meaningless if the agenda is devoid of items that are meaningful and crying out for debate. A NBPA director described a fellow director as 'The landlord' and when I asked him why he said because of his policy of widespread renting of his pitches. It made me think what hope is there for a better future !

I agree RR , in fact i'm surprised that there were as many as eight. what I don't understand is why the back line / poor pitch bookmakers don't go 1/4 odds.
maybe the reason is because the public don't care about terms . all they want is 13/1 a 12/1 chance and 17/1 a 16/1 chance or 17/4 a 4/1 chance.

Adge - I'm glad..... was it brought up at the meeting, is the association's slogan no protectionist of the profession, perhaps it should remind it's members/directors and if the directors are not of the same ethos then they have no place on the board

My Book is going to print next week - How to Self Destruct the industry in which you work in a maximum of two years

1.  Do everything you can to get yourself as much publicity as possible in terms or ripping off your customers
2.  Negotiate a  Record Expenses deal in a time of recession and decreasing turnover
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possibly the fact that not a single person put themselves forward for election to the board answers
either the 215 members [ 56 in attendance ] are very pleased with what their board are doing or were only there for the free bar

You keep avoiding the questions adge. Is there a reason for that ? Ooops another q. !

only the delicate one's that shouldn't be on an open forum , democrat

Thanks - that's a helpful explanation.

I didn't go to the meeting as something unexpectedly cropped up,first one I can remember missing for years,however I would not expect adge to discuss matters on here and am frankly surprised that some do ffs.

RR 3 ALLOW PITCH RENTING AND ABUSE OF SHED Y(MAKE SURE YOUR MAIN ABUSERS ARE ELECTED TO A BOARD THAT REPRESENTS ALL ONCOURSE BOOKS)

ILL GET THERE EARLY DEMOCRAT SO I CAN JOIN YOUR DISCUUSSSION WITH ADGE ...NO SKINTO HE,LL ONLY MESS ABOUT AND TAKE THE PIZZ

RR 4 CALL FOR AN ANNUAL MEETING OF MEMBERS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD TO SIGN A CONTRACT(OR THEY CANT BET) THAT IS NON NEGOTIABLE SO NO MATTER WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY AGREE NOTHING WILL CHANGE,THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE POOR TURNOUT.

I SOMETIMES REALLEY WONDER THAT THE ONLY 2 PEOPLE ON HERE THAT ARE TALKING SENSE IS ME AND FACTMACHINE

APPARENTLY THERE DOING A RE-MAKE OFF THE TITANIC THE CREW CONSISTS OFF ALL MEMEBERS OF THE N.B.P.A

5,TAKE ALL THE CLOCKS OFF THE WALLS WHEN STEVE CLARE COMES INTO A ROOM,AND UNDER NO ACCOUNT ALLOW THE PLAYING OF BREAKING WAVES AND WHALE SOUNDS TO BE PLAYED WHILST HE IS IN ANY MEETING WITH ANY ELECTED BOOKMAKING OFFICIALS

12 months ago I could have forgiven them the secret squirrel excuse (just about)...... now since signing the best deal for the racecourses known to man...... they have let any tom dick or harry be an unlicensed layer at Ascot (Free WIFI to all)....

Baldfred sticks joints up on a racecourse where ever he wants - Must be colossal round the back of the stands at Ascot, he has that on his own virtually with a few exceptions (I'd glady pay 6x fee for that if the negotiators wanted to put it forward as a suggestion )

Today we see that Wetherby cos they feel like it put two extra premium (Festival) days in to in their eyes increase revenue cos the badge multiplier automatically increases on these days................ therefore the secret squirell argument doesn't work anymore cos the racecourses running rings round everybody regardless

6,UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ANY ELECTED BOOKMAKER LOOK INTO HIS EYES.

I FEEL SORRY FOR THE RABBITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD

anybody know where i can get a white led board ???

I see the NBPA have agreed to the AGT Fee.

How can it cost more for an AGT identity badge then a UK passport?

.......a passport doesn't get you on to the Schedule Y

we went through this in great detail , davy. the contracts that we have signed state that AGT can charge us a reasonable fee.
so the next question is what is a reasonable fee. as we paid £100 in 2007 that was a reasonable fee then so no argument can be accepted that £120 is not reasonable now.
at least we tried to do something.

ADGE I DONT LIKE THE "WE" CONNOTATION OF YOUR LAST POST,IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYONE SIGNED THEIR OWN DEATH WARRANTS BY CHOICE

I see Steve Clare suggests the best way forward is to provide a united front to the AGT & FRB.
What's peoples view on the FRB paying Gerry Sutcliffe £700 a month as an advisor!
Yes this is the same guy who was in government as sports minister when the gambling act was introduced that brought on all the problems and refused to amend it.

Ribero1-If what you say is correct,it totally beggars belief.This'dolt'at the inception of the G/A had absolutely no clue about Racecourse Bookmaking.Now you guys are helping towards providing him a living??!! Should and would have been tarred and feathered 30 years ago.

Adge - I think it's great that it was discussed rather than just ignored. The fact that £100 was accepted in 2007 doesnt make it reasonable -  it just means nobody challenged it then. How can an ID card from AGT be more expensive than a 10 year UK passport?

Surely AGT is not sustainable given falling bookmaker revenues, attendances etc . This fee is just papering over the cracks.

Its absolutely correct cinema,front page of the Yorkshire post on Saturday re MP's additional incomes.

Thanks ribero1-caused much grief to me and mine at the time.

U COULDNT WRITE IT,THE NEXT ONE WILL BE FRED DONE HAS BEEN VOTED CHAIRMAN OF THE NBPA/ARB BECAUSE HE RENTS OUT ANY TOP TEN PICK THATS NOT BEING USEDUNBELIEVABLE

agree with you davy , but WE [ means the NBPA diectors fact ] studied the contracts and the special conditions E relating to this payment and could only advise that the reasonable fee is not able to be challenged. the next step is to not have this as an annual fee.
as far as the other item..photo copies of this newspaper article were circulated before the AGM.
sorry but I can't say more on this on this forum

sorry that i'm popping in and out..i'm in Yarmouth at present

THE FACT IS ADGE OUR NEGOTIATORS HAVE BEEN BADLY ADVISED(TO PUT IT MILDLY)AS THEY DOWN SAARF,WEVE BEEN DONE UP LIKE A KIPPER

CHECK MATE TO THE RACECOURSES/AGT

The payment of £700/month to Gerry Sutcliff is a disgrace for which we have to thank the FRB.He knew that there was a mistake in the drafting of the Gambling Bill and proof was provided.He shafted the bookmakers and has as a consequence has been rewarded.Our reps should be advised to cease this contract and perhaps the lobbyists at the same time.

Why is there no consultation of 'members' to obtain what should be mandatory authorisation before any significant sums are spent on causes for which there is minimal support ?

DEMO - COME ON DEMO....YOU'RE SMARTER THAN THAT..... THERE IS NO CONSULTATION BECAUSE THE LAST THING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WANT IS TO HAVE TO SEEK A MANDATE FROM THEIR FELLOW OPERATORS TO ENACT THE CHANGES/PRACTISES THAT SUIT THEM.

But mug how is this situation allowed to continue ? That's what I don't understand. Several people have said to me lately 'watch this space' - I must be watching the wrong space !!!