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he stops them so everybody can see, he called punters idiots anyway.
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*yawn*
Remind me again what happened at his Old Bailey case? Do the bods at the BHA get included in your "everyone" as if not then maybe you should tip them off eh? Also if he is supposed to have called punters idiots, in some cases he might just have a point. |
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Fallon's post at the Stoute stable came to an end in November 2001, when Stoute announced that some of his main owners did not want to use Fallon as a jockey for their horses, making his position untenable.
From Wiki. That's about as damning an indictment as you can get for a jockey. He’s a brilliant jockey but owners don’t want him to ride their horses. |
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Some owners or otherwise he wouldn't still be riding.
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head-head with ted durcan in the next at salisbury.
could be interesting. |
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That wiki quote is incorrect. If I recall rightly, the Stoute owner who did not want Fallon riding for him at that time was Maktoum Al-Maktoum, but Fallon carried on riding for Stoute well beyond 2001 (e.g. won the Derby for Stoute on Kris Kin in 2003 and on North Light in 2004). He left Stoute to ride for O'Brien, he was not forced out due to lack of support.
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"Also if he is supposed to have called punters idiots, in some cases he might just have a point" Perhaps he reads the Forum after all. Can't blame him for Duke of Perth. That Cuddy as the Queen once famously said of one hers is a Camel. |
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Fallon's post at the Stoute stable came to an end in November 2001
That's was his post as stable jockey. As for his rides for Stoute afterwards. He did't have to be the stable jockey to pick up other rides for the trainer and neither does any other jockey. |
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dear oh dear.
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ima_mazed66
ima_mazed66 30 Aug 13 18:32 Joined: 12 Oct 09 | Topic/replies: 5,499 | Blogger: ima_mazed66's blog *yawn* Remind me again what happened at his Old Bailey case? Do the bods at the BHA get included in your "everyone" as if not then maybe you should tip them off eh? Also if he is supposed to have called punters idiots, in some cases he might just have a point. in your case hed have a cast iron certainty |
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What's deadbrain59 dear oh dearing about?
Can't he put a sentence together and say what he means? |
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the only sentence he knows is handed down from a magistrate
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While his official post as stable jockey might have ended, he clearly was still the stable's number one choice, bar one owner (maybe Abdullah too but I'd have to check).
The wiki quote, which I assume you're endorsing as you've seen fit to post it, suggests that 'his position was untenable'. This refers purely to a formal role and, other than one or two owners, had no bearing on his actual association with the stable. As for you last sentence, no sh1t Sherlock, thanks for pointing that out. |
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Anyway, I'm no Fallon apologist I'll leave that to ima. I just think the wiki quote is a bit misleading that's all.
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As for you last sentence, no sh1t Sherlock, thanks for pointing that out.
Not at all Kingmambo. I'm always happy to spell things out for a novice. |
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A splendid retort.
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Oh you're such a wit chavman.....well if truth be told you're probably nearer halfway there really but still.
Maybe the Wiki page was written by one of the idiots because he left Stoute to take the O'Brien job, which in all honesty I feel was a bit of an ungrateful thing to do under the circumstances (does that counts as me being an apologist btw?) considering Stoute helped him get his career back on track after leaving Cecil and Stoute himself wasn't best pleased with Fallon, especially as it didn't give him much time to find a replacement a few days before the start of the new turft season. Having said that though, not too many would have tuned down Ballydoyle if in Fallon's position and with the vast amount of success he had there you would have to say career wise he made the right decision. |
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ima_mazed, my comment was poorly worded and comes across as a cheap dig and I apologise.
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" some of his main owners did not want to use Fallon as a jockey for their horses"
its happening again  and I think it might be a Groundhog Day happening. |
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hes losing owners fast,and he is a 3 day week jockey now,just turns up when he wants and even when he is booked for one no guarantee he will be there,depends if he has got better things to do
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It's OK Kingmambo and no reason to apologise but nice that you did so anyway and it was a general point on the "apologist" thing I was making, as I've criticised Fallon just as much as I've "defended" him and I put the word defended in quotes as I see it more as just stating the case than defending but some see that as me being an apologist for him.
For example he nearly missed his Derby ride a few years ago and did actually miss a couple earlier on the card when caught in traffic yet he wasn't the only one that happened to that day but Fallon is the name so he's the one the story covers. The other evening Hughes missed his ride when going from an afternoon meeting to a later one and nobody batted an eyelid. KIEREN FALLON, absent from the Derby for the last four years, was almost absent from it once again after the race's three-time winner endured a nightmare journey to the track that almost led to him missing the race. BHA chief stipendiary steward William Nunneley said: "Kieren Fallon was first delayed by the Dartford Crossing being blocked. He then went into London but the Blackwall Tunnel was closed. After that, he abandoned his car with his driver and family before getting a train to Epsom. "He said there was nothing he could and other jockeys also found the traffic to be very bad as well. He told the stewards he was going to be late and no action will be taken." Also troubled by traffic was trainer Michael Jarvis, who said: "There was a ten-mile tailback on the M25. It took us three and a bit hours, and we left home at ten o'clock." So there we have it, if there's traffic around and over the Dartford Crossing and the Blackwall Tunnel is closed then it's clearly Kieren Fallon to blame for it. Also if that's the definition of he can't be bothered and turns up when he wants to then I wonder what he is like when showing determination?!  |
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with his name , prestige ,kudos, etc, could he not helicopter it as does Moore and others?
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He has and does on other occasions or chartered a plane when felt needed but the top jockeys tend to only do that as and when the circumstances warrant it, but Newmarket to Epsom is only about 100 miles and should be able to do it in under 2 hours normally, so if Michael Jarvis on that day was leaving at 10 o'clock then he should have been there about midday.
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Funny how FALLON was 'On Course' in plenty of time for this GAMBLE
....Brighton Result 15 Jul 2003 « 3:00 » M&M Office Supplies One Year Anniversary Selling Stakes (Class G) (Class 6) (2yo) (5f213y) 6f Firm £2,877.00, £822.00, £411.00 1 Hanton (IRE) 7/4F 2-8-6 M J Wallace — — 47 Kieren Fallon Pressed leader, drew level over 2f out, ran green and wandered, rider lost iron inside final furlong, driven to lead final 75yds (op 5-2 after 5-1 in a place tchd 11-4, 3-1 in places) ANALYSIS A controversial race with the late jockey change after an inexperienced stable apprentice failed to arrive in time to take the ride on HANTON and was replaced by champion Kieren Fallon, who proceded to produce a vintage ride on the very green newcomer to win by a neck despite losing an iron through the final furlong. The jockey change undoubtedly made the difference as well-exposed plater Costa del Sol had looked to have the newcomer´s measure into the final furlong but was well held in the final strides. The winner, bought in for a course record 28,000gns, could prove better than this class as she was worth considerably more than the bare margin as she was most green on this debut and unhappy on the idiosyncratic track. She can leave the bare form behind, especially on a more galloping track. -------------------------- Club to see Fallon phone records in Hanton probe. Byline: GRAHAM GREEN THE Jockey Club is demanding to inspect Kieren Fallon's phone records as part of the continuing investigation into the controversial substitution of little-known apprentice Karl Bowman by the champion jockey aboard gambled-on winner Hanton at Brighton in July. A Portman Square official is under-stood to have presented the written request to Fallon during racing at Newbury on Friday. Should Fallon fail to provide the records asked for within a certain time limit, believed to be a fortnight, he will face disciplinary action. Hanton's trainer Mark Wallace yesterday admitted he has sent his phone records to London, having also been approached for the information last week. It is thought investigators want to study what calls the principals made during the 48 hours leading up to the race. Newcomer Hanton was quoted at 14-1 in the Racing Post betting forecast for the seven-runner seller, but started at 7-4 favourite after strong on- and off-course support from early shows of 5-1. The filly, who the previous evening was backed on betting exchanges at odds as high as 14.5-1, scored by a neck and needed all the strength of Fallon, who was booked minutes before the race when Bowman failed to arrive in time. It was later reported that the 7lb claimer was late because [b]Wallace's secretary Sam Wallim, who was driving him from Newmarket,[b]got caught in a traffic jam.  ---------------- Oh the IRONY. |
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it was all downhill after this,his finest ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27EWavVos5c |
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^^^^^
Apart from you are having to go back 10 years for this onlooker (which is a year before his human error c0ck up on Ballinger Ridge btw), that's Fallon's fault how exactly? He was at Brighton anyway for other rides and I'd be very surprised if Fallon organised a gamble and alternative riding arrangements on the horse himself, so if he gets a call from a trainer or even is approached by the trainer face to face at the races and told the declared jockey needs replacing and does he want the ride, is he suppose to hire a private detective there and then to look into things before accepting the ride? And talking about "oh the irony" it's not that long ago that he was replaced by an apprentice on one of Gay Kellaway's which won, so apparently the default setting for some is it's all Fallon's fault regardless and damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. It seems his biggest "sin" was to actually win the Brighton race, as if he had been beaten then nobody would have given a sh1t either way. Trainer Mark Wallace insists he would have "no problem" visiting Portman Square to explain the circumstances surrounding the victory of his Hanton at Brighton on Tuesday. The previously-unraced juvenile filly was due to be ridden by apprentice Karl Bowman, but he failed to make it to the track in time, having been stuck in traffic. Champion jockey Kieren Fallon then stepped in for the mount and a gamble ensued, which was duly landed - by a neck. The local stewards inquired into the late switch and opted to refer the matter to the Jockey Club for further investigation. "It's pretty simple - he got stuck in traffic. My secretary took the wrong route and there was a snarl up on the M23, a bad accident," Wallace told attheraces. "Jockeys have to be there 20 minutes beforehand and my young lad wasn't there. I told the clerk of the scales and we looked for another jockey. "Kieren Fallon was available so I booked him. "We're speculating on what would have happened if Karl had ridden him, he rides her in all her work at home and she goes all right for him so I was going to let him ride her with the 7lb claim, but in that particular race yesterday he (Fallon) definitely made the difference. "The situation does look suspicious but I've got no problem in going down to Portman Square to clarify the matter with the stewards and give them the explanation. I've got nothing to hide - I've no problem speaking to anybody about it, it's just one of those things. "You don't want the jockey you book for your horse not to turn up. The ideal situation is that the jockey you book turns up and if you were willing to use an apprentice in the first place, and the rules were that you then had to use another apprentice, then that would be fine." Now I don't know about you but I would imagine Karl Bowman was a teenager at the time when claiming those 7lbs, might or might not drive at that age, might or might not have a car but either way I don't think I would leave him to his own devices to get to the course anyway. Oh and by the way, any chance of providing us with the outcome too onlooker or whether Fallon produced his phone records or not? Since the trainer was claiming Fallon was booked a matter of minutes before the race started and that he was more than happy to provide the authorities with his phone records, my money would be on there being nothing there but then that kind of makes the story a bit of an anticlimax doesn't it?  Any other jockey and it's not even an issue. |
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^ No need for the ... "other" -
or ... "not even". ----------------- Any ..... jockey and it's ... .... an issue. |
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He still had plenty of success after that first Arc win pandora1963 including another Arc win and several classics both here and in Ireland as well as other Gr1s aaround the world.
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If you want to see a particular ride, which shows why Fallon is still booked by top stables , then look at his ride on powerscourt in the 2005 arlington million as well as the link given above.
Now i know it was only the arlington million and that powerscourt was the best horse in the race, but with with regards to my upcoming point it is irrelevant. If you ever study his riding position in the saddle "when he wakes a horse" up you can quite clearly see that he balances himself perfectly mid air whilst using the horses natural galloping pattern to dissipate his weight and energy , and not well into the saddle like most other jockeys continue to do. What this does is transfers his weight throughout a ride in a certain way which helps the horse switch off and then allows him get more out of horses in a well contested race finish scenario. If you look very closely at these 2 race videos you will see that fallon bops "up and down" when in a driving finish rather than sitting in the same position as the majority of other jockeys, and to the eye it looks like he is just going flat out urging the horse, now i know that is obvious but there is also another reason on why it works and that is becasue he is self consciously trying to dissipate his weight in a finish at the same time of pushing the horse, and that is why he is statistically the worlds most successful jockey and a genius and you cannot teach that well homed skill, and its something he cannot lose. Fallons particular gift with racehorses is his hands, any trainer will tell you that he is the worlds best of " switching off" a horse mid race and then waking up a horse at a particular moment using his quite unusual position in the saddle. If you look at the position in the link given above from the other poster of his win on hurricane run in the 2005 arc you can quite clearly see what i mean . So to conclude, stop slagging the guy, just celebrate his jockey skills and horsemanship. Anyone who keeps mentioning his court case from years ago needs to have a break as its starting to get a bit tiresome. |
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Bloody hell even ima wouldn't have written such an OTT eulogy of Fallons riding ability.
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wots beckam going to do the rest of his life,ads will soon dry up,u must have a purpose in life.
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thanks for the replies, never had that before,
all I meant is that KF did NOT want to win on Macdillon, watch it go in next time. |
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Felon had good grounding in his early days. Great teachers.
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This place just get funnier every day.
The whole field were bunched towards the rail, the eventual first 2 come wide which was where Fallon was making his run anyway, one goes across him and so he pulls around to also go wide and gets a running on 3rd but it's apparently only Fallon who doesn't want to win and the rest other than the first 2 get ignored. |
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One of the most talented sportsmen of his generation, unbelievably brilliant on his day. Fell in with wrong crowd, did the lot on booze, drugs and rotters. A shame imo.
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^ Do you think that 'they' took him there -
- or he 'went back to his roots'? 'No Offers' - the latter. |
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Fallon is ugly, strength doesnt make a horse man
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Jockeys are ten a penny.
All this brilliant ride stuff is bollox. |
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That sounds a bit like you are saying it's far more about the horses than the jockeys Dr Crippen!
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Well - Of course it IS.
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