""for years steve drowne has been one of britains best jockey'"s!!!

Every jockey is one of Britain's best jockeys to good old JB.

9% strike rate on the AW over the last 5 seasons

Berry always reminds me of the son in law in The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin.

Typical of the utter sh!te the racing media & people 'in racing' trot out & expect us to swallow without question.....
Pathetic, Steadman was hyping this up after the race, spouting that Drowne was "back where he belongs" in the winners enclosure after a Group 1? Surely he would be 'back where he belongs' if he'd been at Wolverhampton?

Or Fall and Rise!

john  berry  could not pick his nose re whats to win
as a trainer well what can you say
he could not train a Pig To be greedy .
Sorry John but its true ...take a look at the stats

J Bone has a nice slot now on ATR.

Let's keep it all palsy walsy........OKAYYYYY...

Just for the record, "one of" doesn't actually mean "the" best.

Whatever the score anyway he's a multiple Gr1 winning jockey all the same, with a couple of Prix de L'Abbaye wins, a July Cup, a Cheveley Park Stakes, a Moyglare Stud Stakes and now a Nunthorpe win on his CV, as well as other higher level races like the Gr2s Prix du Gros-Chene at Chantilly, the Lowther Stakes at York, the Gr3s Queen Mary at Royal Ascot, the Palace House Stakes at Newmarket, the Fred Darling at Newbury, as well as highly competitive big handicap races that take some winning such as the Stewards' Cup at Goodwood and the Bunbury Cup at Newmarket.

He's also been a bit unlucky both directly with health issues that without those might have seen him have success on horses like Al Kazeem and Cityscape, both horses he has previously won on as well as Mick Channon having had a couple of 2YO fillies go into the winter as favs for the 1000gns but didn't make the line up through injury. Plus in a rare show of loyalty for racing, he stuck with Roger Charlton's longer priced Avonbridge to finish 2nd in another July Cup to Hughie Morrision's winner of the race Pastoral Pursuits (a horse Drown usually rode and won on 4 times including a couple of Group races) despite PP being half the price in the betting but mainly because he had had a longer association with Charlton.

Ima you have just spoiled a good critical review of a jockey by some of the forum experts by quoting some facts,how irresponsible can you be

LOL....I know telepathic and I'm a bugger for doing it but I just can't help myself.

Maybe some on here think you have to be a flying dismounting loud mouth to win the top races eh?

i am of the opinion that Drowne dont do alot wrong when riding,but it seems i could be wrong

You do not need a flying dismount to impress the readers on this forum, but a loud mouth with no attachment to the brain goes a long way, and their are more qualifiers than for a 0 to 100 sprint handicap.

What's happening to this place now, there has been far too much common sense and logical posting going on lately and not nearly enough negative knee-jerk reaction stuff.......I'm almost feeling nostalgic for how it used to be .

he is an average jockey no better or worst

Average jockeys don't tend to be multiple Gr1 winners......in fact average jockeys rarely tend to even ride in them to begin with.

Ima

can you please list all the major wins and unlucky losses of all jockeys then we can form a league table just to see how close to the top he should be.

Duffy
I thought that would not be a problem for you.

Unfortunately most things are a problem for me these days

I don't believe I actually listed any unlucky losses for Drowne anywhere Duffy.

Ditto

No, I was referring to the could have rode that one circumstance and injury, must be lots of that about.

I'm sure there is but even without that there are enough positives alongside Drowne's name with the calibre of some of the races he has won regardless, but he did actually miss out on the winning ride on Cityscape at the Dubai World Cup once his fainting/heart problem was discovered.

It's quite ironic too because the beneficiary of that was James Doyle, another jockey I remember on here being labelled as average and AW level at best, until he started getting on a few Gr1 level horses for Roger Charlton and funnily enough en started winning a few Gr1s.

Who would have thought it eh?

Any decent jockey will win group one races if given the right horse, basically its just another horse race.

Decent jockey .....I have never seen you use the expression Greaser!!!

Very seldom slag jockeys telepathic only the showboating one trick ponies like Spencer, Carberry and Murphy.

That sounds dangerously like you saying it's far more about the horses than the jockeys then silvergreaser.

Not even close ima, just pointing out 3 jockeys who virtually ride every race the exact same way without any variation in their riding.

MJK     Joined: 13 May 10
Replies: 2406 23 Aug 13 15:57 
Berry always reminds me of the son in law in The Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin.

silvergreaser 23 Aug 13 17:20 
Any decent jockey will win group one races if given the right horse, basically its just another horse race.

And that's "not even close" regarding alluding to it's more about the horses than the jockeys.....Hmmmmm.

They're all professionals you don't become a professional jockey if you can't ride in the first place, the ones that couldn't are shoveling horse dung now.

So they are all professionals who are subject to criticism by those who could not sit on the back of a flatbed lorry and you must have a loss of memory problem.......dont criticise jockeys lol lol lol

Only your hero telepathic.

Spencer definately isn't a one trick pony..............

he has not even one trick

As always, totally predictable Greaser, pity you limitations make you such a waste of time......sorry I havent the patience.

My point was I've claimed all along that it's far more about the horses than the jockeys and if the horse is good enough then thenre are several jockeys who would win on it, just as when a jockey is beaten on a poor horse there are several jockeys that still wouldn't have been able to win on it either.

The more decent horse they ride the easier the job is, the more poor ones the harder it is, so if you are saying silvergreaser:


Any decent jockey will win group one races if given the right horse, basically its just another horse race.

that does look like the horse is more important than the jockey to me regarding whether they are successful or not.

Telepathic I don't think I've ever started a thread criticising a jockey?, I might have contributed to a few threads where a certain Murphy gave a few dodgy looking rides, which usually sets off an alarm on telepathics laptop everytime a thread is critical of his hero Timmy, just like ima and Kieren.

Or maybe contribute to the odd critical Spencer thread where he is sitting out the back showboating forgetting there might actually be a race unfolding up front.

Yawn.......same old,same old......you really could have a memory problem.

Very good jockey and probably the nicest guy in the weighing room.
How that mug Charlton prefers Doyle to Drowne is a mystery to me.

Charlton is no mug...very shrewd.

Unless this is a bit of fish for Friday stuff, it probably isn't so much a case of Roger Charlton prefers Doyle over Drowne and more a case of Drowne was out for around a year or so with health problems and what is Charlton supposed to do, shut down his stable for a year until Drown comes back?

As I've said when on the same subject with other jockeys, whenever one is out of the game for any reason then new associations are formed between their old trainers and a new jockey and it would be harsh to then just elbow aside those new jockeys once the original one returns, especially of the new jockey has done well for the yard and Doyle has certainly done that at Charlton's.

As for whether Charlton is a mug or not, he's won plenty of top class races to suggest he isn't.

Excepting for the odd one or two jockeys where they can change a result by using their heads - Murtagh, Moore, Peslier - it is the horse which decides the result of a race