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All this Martin Dwyer sympathy garbage.
All this Martin Dwyer sympathy garbage.
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"taking payment for information" is getting paid to stop a horse. Only a long winded know all like ima_ would suggest otherwise. Do you really think that Bookie Banks gave Greatest Jockey a motor car for his opinions
 British racing is now as bent as its ever beem which considering prize money often does not cover a months training fees who can blame em. Everyone has to eat. No point playing it 100% straight and going out of business is there |
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You still didn't answer my query ima, why was Egan granted a licence when he was still under investigation?.
The BHA and Turf Club should've told him where to get off until he cleared his name or whatever?. To grant a guy a licence (suspension served or not) when he was still under investigation for severe fraudulent practices was just another example of the incestuous nature of British and Irish racing, he should not have been let anywhere near a riding licence considering the serious nature of the charges not to mention he was also a fugitive, absolute joke!!. |
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Oh the irony in people like MikeEnfield calling me a long winded know all. Well better that than a short winded know nothing if you don't mind me saying.
Taking payment for information doesn't only have one meaning and I thought I had actually explained that anyway. Please feel free though to explain to me how if a jockey takes payment when telling someone a horse he is riding will win and he then wins on it, that somehow means he has stopped the horse?.....The clue was in the part saying where he er, wins on it! I also love it how someone can wrongly pull someone else up on the specifics of something and the way they try to support that is to ask a completely different question. Yes bent jockeys can take payment for information which can be from a negative angle and include them pulling a horse but they can also take it for giving out positive information about their horse too, it really isn't that complicated to grasp. In similar circumstances when Victor Chandler gave "no-lose" betting accounts to the likes of Jimmy Fitzgerald and Gay Kellaway I'm guessing it wasn't to find out about the ones they didn't fancy from their yards.....Once again the clue was on the name no-lose. I actually did answer you Egan license question silvergreaser, in fact I answered it twice but maybe that's part of the battle here that if your mind is so made up and set in its ways that replies don't even register with you then what can you do? |
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Egan was only granted a temporary licence as long as he returned to Hong Kong by a certain date to face charges, and lo and behold he never returned hence why there is still an outstanding warrant for his arrest and yet he was still allowed ride in the UK and Ireland?.
Can you answer that ima or is there a plausible excuse with mitigating circumstance again?. His licence should've been withdrawn forthwith once he became a fugitive from justice don't you think?. |
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Apart from the fact I started off by saying I'm not Egan's keeper, I already have answered silvergreaser and so you only further prove my point about you see what you want to once your mind is made up.
I personally would have had no problem with any authorities stopping a jockey riding elsewhere if it was felt there was a case to answer and the Jockey Club here obviously felt there wasn't one. Then again maybe they went along with that quaint old thing about innocent until proven guilty eh? |
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Then again maybe they went along with that quaint old thing about innocent until proven guilty eh?
If a sports participant fails to show or is not at his/her place of resident for a pre-determined drug test then they're automatically deemed guilty and given a hefty ban. In the case of Egan when he failed to return to Hong Kong to answer the charges then the BHA and Turf Club should've automatically deemed him guilty and withdraw his riding licence. |
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Saturday, July 27, 2002 Stop Egan riding in Britain, ICAC urges
Bail-jumping jockey due to compete at Ascot meeting should be barred, UK Jockey Club told FELIX CHAN The ICAC has urged the British Jockey Club to stop bail-jumping jockey John Egan from continuing riding in the UK. But the British Jockey Club says it has no plans to do so. The head of the ICAC's operations department, Tony Kwok Man-wai, has written to the British Jockey Club after discovering that Egan will be riding in tomorrow's Hong Kong Day, a racing event sponsored by the Hong Kong Jockey Club. The event, to be held at Ascot, features the richest five-furlong handicap in Europe - the Hong Kong Jockey Club Stakes. Egan, 34, has been riding in Britain since April, two months after he was arrested in Hong Kong for allegedly taking a bribe - reputed to be $20,000 - in return for racing tips. He failed to answer bail on June 30 and Independent Commission Against Corruption investigators then obtained a warrant for his arrest. Egan was then summoned to appear before a British Jockey Club Licensing Committee hearing in London to decide if he should be stripped of his right to ride in Britain. But officials said it had been decided not to suspend Egan's licence for the time being because they did not have a good cause for such action and "to do so could be an infringement of an individual's rights". But Mr Kwok said some action should be taken against Egan. "We officially informed you that the Department of Justice has advised there is sufficient evidence to charge Egan with an offence of corruption in connection with his duties as a jockey in Hong Kong. "Under such circumstances, it seems to us there are clear doubts of the integrity of this jockey. We are most surprise to learn that he is allowed to continuing riding in the UK. "It does not enhance the reputation of racing in the United Kingdom, Hong Kong and elsewhere in the world," the letter read. Mr Kwok added in the letter that Egan would have a fair trial should he return to the territory. The ICAC said last night possible extradition proceedings were still being considered in the case of Egan. The British Jockey Club confirmed it had received Mr Kwok's letter and was in the process of sending a reply explaining its position on the matter. It has also informed its Hong Kong counterpart of its position. "There are currently no plans for the Jockey Club to review its position, although we continue to monitor the situation and can react should there be significant developments," a spokesman for the racing body said last night. But he said a jockey riding in the UK while facing a charge overseas in connection with racing was a cause for great concern. |
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John Egan is not the most pleasant individual just ask Dessie Hughes but he was dead right not to go back to Hong Kong as he has no chance of having a fair trial.
The wording of the charge is toxic and shows a bias. Martin Dwyer did nothing wrong in India and the increasing of his ban is pernicious,the BHA must get rid of supporting lunatic bans,this should have been done after the Richard Hughes case but is vital now. |
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Wildman the South African jockey Frapp went back to Hong Kong to face the criminal investigation and got a fair trial and was cleared of the charges and allowed ride in Hong Kong again, that Egan refused suggests he wasn't as confident of been cleared?.
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