All this Martin Dwyer sympathy garbage.

yeah makes me sick,,,hes a cun t who deserves stoning

yep after hughes the season before , he's his own worst enemy. you could understand a 'struggling' jockey going for cash but dwyer does well out of the game.

He's an Everton supporter so can't be all bad. Even though I never back him he can ride a winner when the cash is down.

Obviously havn't seen the ride...the horse was uncontroleable!

CDK seen it 20 times and still think a stronger jockey wouldve won on it. imo dwyer did nothing wrong , just rode his usual limp wristed style n the horse 'bullied him'

nice trolling OP

pi55 off bilbo

most people work 48 weeks of the year but when Dwyer goes to ride in India during the Winter he becomes 'a greedy ****'....some prize planks on this forum

Supposed to be big prize money in India, Can't blame him have you seen some of the jockeys riding there. Imagine if the forum had as much power as them Indian 'punters'

Ima mazed that's 3 from how many?

What about Culhane,Milkshake,Lynch and the many others who are suspended and come back before you know it.without knowing the ins and outs I wouldn't mind betting that while they were awaiting verdicts they were compensated by some jockeys fund.
In other countries they would have been jailed and banned for life.

Look at Hong Kong they had a warrant out for the arrest of John Egan and the uk just let him carry on riding,Fallon was refused a license by the same authorities.

I can't believe there is a more understanding jurisdiction than that of the one in the UK,from jockeys easing down to corruption,the punishment handed out is a fraction of what would happen elsewhere.

surely justice is justice what ever country your riding in

How do you think Mark Johnston would be received as a trainer on the sub-continent?

I said this on a previous thread about this, in the far east the punter is treated as the paymaster while the jockeys and trainers are treated as mere employees of the regulatory body, in Britain and Ireland the jockeys and trainers are treated as if they carry some sort of god like status by their respective regulatory bodies the BHA and the Turd Club, not to mention a brown nosing media that wallows in their every word, see no evil hear no evil the order of the day.

MD got all he deserved - anyone watchin' that race back can see exactly what he did.....stopped it winning by foul play, end of.

As has been said above, the rules out there are very harsh.... you know the deal before you go... don't like it, don't go!

Simples!

That's only 3 because 3 was enough to make my point Biscar Two from a mile back and I could have added a few more names such as Gary Carter and others but there seems little point when your mind is so made up one way that you don't even concern yourself with the clear evidence, such as in the Kirsty Milczarek case for example and as far as I was aware Fergal Lynch was banned and went overseas to continue riding.

Ahern got a 10 years ban and also had his appeal knocked back and Doe and Fairley got 12 years which is basically game over for all of them so not exactly slap on the wrist and don't do it again stuff is it?

Oh and just for the record, Fallon was refused a licence by the Honk Kong authorities whilst he was banned here and being investigated by the UK authorities and would be the same as the BHA doing the same to a HK jockey whilst he was being investigated at home. Remind me again though how that Fallon thing turned out?

Well first of all I'm not John Egan's keeper (nor am I Fallon's either for that matter) so I don't personally feel the need to argue his case or explain anything on his behalf, but from what I understand the Hong Kong Jockey Club had no problem with Egan or the South African jockey Robbie Fradd riding anywhere else and even sent a letter to the Jockey Club in England at the time saying as much. Eagn was actually only allowed to ride anyway once his then HK suspension had been served and the only reason they were suspended in HK was as a precautionary measure whilst an investigation was ongoing. The letter apparently stated neither jockey had been charged with anything either.

As to why Egan didn't return to fact the music in HK, I personally have no idea but can take a good guess and I would probably have done the same in his shoes too.

I think some members on here say factually wrong and so get these things pointed out to them or are asked to give an explanation of something and as soon as someone does they are automatically and boringly predictably labelled an apologist for everyone, despite anyone actually taking the trouble to ask whether they agreed with that explanation or not, so it just gets assumed that it's the case.

Couldnt agree more than original thread, only crime of it all is he keeps it going will miss nov to june.When could have been missing march to august lucky boy imo

We have authorities who need overwhelming evidence before they mildly suggest that a jockey is guilty of non-trying and even then it's rarely a household name that gets pulled in.When they do the punishment they get is 14 days!!Similar measly penalties for failing to win races when they ease down too soon.
In cases of corruption the jockeys are back before we know it and welcomed by all in the media and the industry itself.
Rarely do they ever face criminal charges and never do they have assets seized under proceeds of crime act.
They get away with murder in this country so why is it surprising that when they fall foul of rules abroad they think they are hard done by.

anyone that has watched a video of the race and thinks Dwyer is guilty of anything is muddled in the head as far as i'm concerned...nothing more to say

Do you see how that first line above makes you sound Biscar Two from a mile back? Why wouldn't any authority "need overwhelming evidence before the blah blah blah......" or would it be better if they acted on a whim because someone on here lost a fiver so decided to ring the BHA and say the jockey was a crook and needed investigating? You make it sound like only acting when there's strong evidence is a bad thing.

I would also suggest that the reason the jockeys who have been banned actually were, is partly because of the very reason that they are not household names and are scratching around for rides and trying to make a living from the game and struggling, which makes them far more likely to be tempted than say multimillionaire household name types, you know the kind I mean, like 6 times Champion Jockey and multiple classic and Gr1 winners all over the world types.

Jockeys don't get 14 days bans for corruption so if it's 14 or 21 days or whatever it's not because they have been deemed to have don't anything illegal but more through incompetence or a misjudgement and this lynch mob mentally some punters have where every time they lose or a fancied horse gets beaten it's because the jockey must be "at it" is embarrassing.

Maybe the reason they never face criminal charges is because most will take their chance in court and the average non-racing person sitting on a jury doesn't have the knowledge and experience to be able to make a judgement about whether a jockey has pulled a horse or not. There are plenty on here who don't either, so just have guilty as their default setting anyway. This maybe explains why bans are dealt with in-house and after the fiasco the Met Police made of the Fallon case and bringing in that fish out of water Aussie steward then you can maybe understand exactly why.

And only someone who has already made up his mind such as yourself silvergreaser would suggest Egan must be guilty without knowing the finer detail, nor hearing any evidence or even letting him have his day in court. Oh and before you say he's the one stopping that from happening then yes you are right, but as I've already said there are logical reasons why he might not what to go back and face the music but that doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty. The HKJC don't have the power to force him to go back and if (and I'm just saying if here) I was accused of a crime abroad that I didn't do and nobody could force me back there then I know I certainly wouldn't offer myself back to them out of the goodness of my heart. Just for the record, I've never made any judgement either way here about Egan but he had far more to lose and very little to gain if he did go back and was found guilty, whether he was or not.

I've already explained why he was granted a license and with the HKJC's blessing too and the accusation against him was taking payment for information and whilst I'm not saying that's OK, presumably he was accused of giving positive information on his horse's chances and that's a totally different form of misdemeanour to stopping horses, so why would that impact on punters in this country?