closed bookmaker accounts

Hi - only corals have closed my acc - the  rest of them just heavily restrict you - unsure about your details
Good luck

i closed my boils ac yesterday.they simply wont lay me even a fiver.sad shower.anyway i requested the lady to remove all my details cr card numbers etc.she assured me she would so im sure all details are gone.?the thing is if i open a new ac i be told i had an old ac with same number so details cant be gone?

Boils are very funny, I email them to ask why I can't have a fiver on and they will not reply

kavvie that's my problem with spoil sports they still hold my details and I want them removed by law how long can they hold details and yes they are a shower of ****

i cant answer that.they will say it prob stops people continually opening new acs to avail of free bets.best have nothing to do with them.they are the worst of the lot and thats something to say looking at the opposition!.what really gets to me is to see yer man leon on tv talking about heavy hitters going in having thousands etc.the heavy hitters keep well away from them let me assure you.

My guess it depends where they licensed and what data protection there is in the country your details are held.

would it not be the country the customer resides in ?

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i closed my acct with them as well, said I could have a fiver max ante post bet at sp only, when I told them to close my acct, they asked, why is that sir

amazing how they are so bad..

Its simple really  They run a business
winners are not welcome  ..  mugs only infact if you are a mug  eg big loser..your more than welcome . never a quarel ..bet with  Coral

Should add why you guys bet with any bookie  when you can back or lay at better prices on here  to plenty   ..you tell me

guaranteed prices for one.double result.full odds dead heat.

Interesting. Ladbrokes closed me the day that the Dermot Weld stayer won at York 2 years ago, but sent me a customer satisfaction survey yesterday.

would be nice to get a truthful answer from someone who uses bookies in preference to Betfair (but is a forumite nevertheless)

I'm genuinely interested in why they would

or alternatively put some past bets up with bookies and then we can compare prices with Betfair SP

Kavvie  Guaranteed prices to how much ?
Dead Heats well there most be 3 at  least 3 year .
Double results well thats a vert grey area

Swift ,,a very good point  Betfair do not and never will close accounts  Why   they have nowt to lose
every bet back / or lay ..they are guaranteed  5%
Thats why they have the game by the curlies
long live Betfair

lots of reasons.why is double res a grey area.?also ew here is a non starter..back a 5/1 second fav in a shop to a 1/2 fav in an 8 runner maiden it places your neutral.wins your in clover.also shops will take big cash bets usually.pp will. though pp online a joke.

Swift Tuttle, if you want to bet at early prices, instead of where the market is mature close to the off, the value is virtually never on here, it's always with the bookmakers...

yes so I've heard millhouse
but has someone done a detailed study on this?

I've never seen any evidence

I would like to see a research thing done on Pricewise for example using his advised prices AND using the Keep option on here

how many times would the price have been obtained on here - stuff like that

Kavvie  back in the 80is  pal of mine ran a shop for a big chain  no names no pack drill
rules were  any bet over £100 from a stranger had to have head office approval .. one day he  lets say forgot  to phone the bet through .. next day he was on the dole .sad but true

im not defending shops now.im just saying if i went into a pp shop in 10 min and wanted 500ew on a 4or 5/1 shot they would take it.not sure bout lads but thems the facts.if you know theres gonna be a gamble on something  bf no good for liquidity and their sports book wouldnt take a fiver(bigger joke than spoils and corrals put together)so you gotta get the price before it goes.you also have the guarantee and double res and stewards..makes sense to me.bf good for punting near off .

surprised you're not restricted kavvie if you consistently beat the price

not sure if it was pricewise himself, who said in r post last week he was kicking himself when he backed a horse on here at like 2.85 when 7/4 was available with bookies, the horse won at 7/2.

betfair great if you fancy an outsider, 33/1 in shops might get 500 on here.

your not restricted if you put cash on in diff shops as far as im aware..

do you have to steer clear of some shops that you've used before?

Swift, here in Ireland there's no problem getting on (FOBT's non existant), if I have a run of wins from the same shop, I will use a different shop for a bit before maybe returning to the original shop, 2 reasons really, staff don't get a full picture of my betting and if or when I do return, they are glad to see you back as they tend to not realise that you've been elsewhere and think to themselves "was only a matter of time before he returns to give us back our losses" and are even more eager to take your bet.

Anyway, like I said it's not really a problem getting on anyway, Boyles are a bit ropey, to say the least, but in my local shop they're not too bad when you are known, anyway there's enough within walking distance to get on without any hassle to €100 units if you really want to bet in Boyles shops to early prices, online they are a bunch of counts, will take the bet online at SP if you are willing to let them have the arb.

Shop advantages outweigh backing on here by a country mile as outlined above by Kavvie, though I backed this years Grand National winner with Ladbrokes @ 80/1 to €50 e/w in the morning, don't know what price it was on here, probably massive, but those type of winners are few and far between, I always protect my stake and for a decent bet, shops e/w with guaranteed prices, is a no brainer.

an example..fort knox cork 6.35   3.55 here.so ur getting about 3.4 unguaranteed.back with books 5/2 freely available guaranteed.i rest my case.

Yes, that market is not really formed on here yet

135%

but you will get well above 3.5 on that horse on here

would u think?..if it goes to 4  the sp will follow it out.what happens if it hardens?i got 5/2 guaranteed either way

point taken kavvie

got this reply from spoil sports



Yvonne, Aug 06 14:38 (IST):
Hi Peter,
Thank you for your email. Further to your recent query regarding your information I wish to inform you that we are required by legislation under data protection to hold this information for a minimum of 5 years.
Kind regards,
Yvonne
Customer Support

there you go..5 years

I have worked at private bookies mainly but had stints at billys and okcorales, all punters betting over £50 singles are monitored when they start to lose the company money they are limited to SP only or refused point blank.
Remember when i worked in manchester city central one punter put £60 on every single bookies in the town centre (circa 23 of em) on some balinrobe 20-1 shot and it hosed in.
Next day his picture was up behind the counter.

tosh restricted in shops tip and pay the fks behind the counter when you have a good win most of still in cuckoo land about restricted, you wish!

here was a guy who was restricted from the shop he kept running up to the counter bit of sexy talk then to the toilets he was having a think tank he got restricted and used to tell folks he was winning to much and couldn't bet there anymore, true story

Gandalf the winner was returned at 165/1 on here and if those are the bets you are having in shops you are either
a) Lying your ass off
b) A mug who has or is in the process of doing his chips

If those are your types of bets you can belt away online as no one will close your account I assure you

And Lustrumm is the first seether to reply and also apparently a bit of an idiot, he can't fathom how someone can have €50 e/w on the Grand National winner at 80/1 and be happy with that, a small interest bet for me actually, regardless of what price it was on here.

I had a grand at 3/1 on Great White Eagle yesterday, I had a pony e/w at 12/1 on Guest Book today, both in shops. Yes I'm a mug.

As to being a liar, a mug or in the process of "doing my chips" as you say, I can assure you that after nearly 40 years backing horses and with detailed records kept, I am none of those.

Now you enjoy the rest of your day and I hope you are (one day) as successful as me, a good start would be to get rid of the green eyed monster that's within you, it's not going to do you any good, seething over the success of others, will only eat you up. Be Lucky sunshine.

gandalf agree totally with you re the 80/1 bet.sadly for me i laid the brains out of great white eagle..was some easy winner

If you have an account with a bookmaker that uses Openbet - Bet365, Paddy Power etc - will always have your details on record. Accounts are never delete just closed. I assume that is the case with all bookmakers.

Aug 6, 2013 -- 4:58PM, thearchmeister wrote:

I have worked at private bookies mainly but had stints at billys and okcorales, all punters betting over £50 singles are monitored when they start to lose the company money they are limited to SP only or refused point blank.Remember when i worked in manchester city central one punter put £60 on every single bookies in the town centre (circa 23 of em) on some balinrobe 20-1 shot and it hosed in.Next day his picture was up behind the counter.

Did they pay him out?

was it trained by a certain Barney Curley by any chance?

ONLY way to win is to obtain VALUE.

Value is often there with prices available with bookmakers the NIGHT BEFORE, albeit sometimes to restricted stakes.

Pennies available on here night before with the same horse.

When market has sorted itself out on here next morning with reasonable liquidity, most of value has gone.

dunerunner you couldnt be morewrong.you wouldnt get any more than a tenner the night before.all your doing is telling the bookies whats fancied.it would be great if there were no prices til 11am evert day.then the traders would have to do their job.not be "buying" fancies for a few quid the night before.

I think the value may well be on here

e.g. the following scenario - Pricewise tips a horse and advises a price say 20/1

regardless of the state of the market on here, you put in a request to back the horse at say 24.0 (to take account of commission and just to be better than Pricewise) and, important this, you set the KEEP option

obviously if the horse loses, you get your desired price and you lose your money;
if the horse wins - 2 paths
a) you don't get your price but you haven't lost any money
b) you get your price and you are happy

"When the market has sorted itself out on here next morning...most of the value has gone".NONSENSE.Lots of value available on here,at all times of the day.

off topic I know but coral refused to pay me on a bet this morning cos slip said Hants not Hampshire. Guy called the manager.....

What would you know about value Artie, eh, ffs.

fact is mainstream bookies want labotomised numbskulls that pump FBTs. No interest whatsoever in laying informed money

What would you know about anything motley ?

Probably not as much as you it seems, would you care to point us in the
direction of some of this value, of which you speak, today, tomorrow or some
future race maybe.

No, I wouldn't "care to point you in the direction of some value",because what you really mean is "tip us a winner".

Thought so, wasn't asking if you could find a winner, was more intersted to know,
if you knew what value was, you don't, fcuking guesser.

3.50 The holyman .Excellent value @ the price available.

And the reasons, why it's value? will it get to the front today?

Top on my ratings."Will it get to the front today ?" Probably not,but still good value at the price.

Here you go, Saturday's race at Haddock, no oddschecker op market, wont ask you to price
up all the runners, just give us the first 4 in betting, and price of the fav.
Nice easy one for ya.


NO.    FORM    HORSE    AGE    WGT    TRAINER RTF%    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
110     00-105        Navajo Chief 28      6    10-0    Alan Jarvis67    Michael J M Murphy5     104     85     110
27    31124        Robin Hoods Bay 133      5    9-11    Ed Vaughan    Luke Morris     101     107     109
38     017-03        Labarinto 11      5    9-10    Sir Michael Stoute56    Ryan Moore     100     78     111
49     10100        Educate 28      4    9-9    Ismail Mohammed60    Johnny Murtagh     99     95     111
511     5-2261        Danchai 28 p      4    9-9    William Haggas63    Joseph O'Brien     99     92     109
65    035212        Vasily 15      5    9-7    Robert Eddery50    Kevin Stott7     97     103     108
72     8-3421        Gabrial The Great 22      4    9-6    Luca Cumani88    Adam Kirby     96     91     106
84     33011        Chancery 29      5    9-5    David O´Meara42    Daniel Tudhope     95     98     106
914     131348        Awake My Soul 7 h1      4    9-5    David O´Meara42    Pat Smullen     95     78     110
101     422133        Tres Coronas 28      6    9-3    David Barron50    Robert Winston     93     102     110
1115    323620        Tepmokea 11      7    9-2    Mrs K Burke47    Richard Kingscote     92     90     109
1216     42-110        Niceofyoutotellme 28 h1      4    9-2    Ralph Beckett64    Jim Crowley     92     79     110
133    213-55        Tahaamah 75 t      5    9-1    Saeed bin Suroor56    Silvestre De Sousa     91     106     109
1413     021006        Angel Gabrial 28      4    8-13    Ian Williams68    Tom Queally     89     110     111
156    121121        Sennockian Star 15 v      3    8-12    Mark Johnston47    Joe Fanning     97     111     118
1612     223105        Maven 14

Why ? What are you trying to prove ?

Artie has said in the past that he uses tipsters and ratings services, and then backs the value close to the off, motley01...

Hope he doesn't use Thommo the Bucket scammer.

Why ? What are you trying to prove ? Well you tell me you know about value
and it's on here all day. If you can price up the first 4 in the haydock race.
It will be readily apparent if have a bog's, if you cant price it up, you will
know fcuk all about value, now will you

How did that 1 get on a Brig ton, didn't see race?

Why should i give a shi t what an aggresive farter like you,or anyone else on this forum thinks ?

Oh Dear, dear oh dear. He's inverted, Ok, Go on then just have a stab at the price of the jolly?
and if your up to it, name it. I'm not being aggressive by the way, just asking you what you know about value, that's all

Ne mas.

fcuk me, you can have 20s on that

labarinto, danchai, chancery

sennockian star

That's the 4 I had swift, but in a different order, 5s the field

excuse me for butting in motley but i am interested in this race at haydock on sat.  I reckon sennokian star will/should be fav, any 5/1 or better good value imo.  Chancery worth a saver any 8/1 or more bit value..  See how it looks tonight!

You're not butting in kkell, open forum, all opinions welcome, be surprised if there's any
8s chancery tbh,  other than a rick by the bet365 or vc boys. GL

This value nonsense is just the ..nonsense
they were 3 certs yesterday they all 3 won
ok they were favs so they should have been
the only value in any race is the winner 
take your losing ticket to your bookie and he will say  sorry son that horse was 2nd 3rd  unplaced. but you got the value

Easy to call em certs the day after they win.

Saddo i put up  on here  3.30  scala romana and 4.00  estiqaama   
the other cets was If 3.20  won 8/13.