MARK JOHNSTON 4 winners from 80 horses sends 10 out a day and uses the moto ALWAYS TRYING ?

Think you are overlooking the fact that the trainer himself does not foot the bill, that is what the owner is for...!

You mean owners as he has more than one well his statistics are embarrassing and if I was looking for a new trainer for my horse I would avoid him like the plague. too many slow starts and refusals for my liking.

Doubt he will worry himself about attracting new owners for a while, his yard(s) are full even with plenty farmed out on either the injury list or easy list.

Well if I was sheik mohammed or the owner of universal I would have my horses as far away from there as possible. he moans that if there any good he loses them as three or four year olds to godolphin. so does he deliberately not get out the best in them Galician should have gone to godolphin don't know how he kept that this year probably from carving it up last year.

the other thing to heed is tht a lot of these horses have only2/3 yr olds have usually been elsewhere, how many 2nds and 3rds in this is a bigger pointer than winners to the always trying claim

2nds and 3rds is a bigger pointer than winners what does that mean it just means they are not trying. a top flight trainer does not send out ten horses a day and have no winners something is wrong with the stable obviously you keep following him if you think you will make a profit backing his horses dream on that's what the bookies want. you should be laying not playing my friend.

They have the option to move their horses, but have chosen not to, so would that not imply that they themselves are happy with his methods...?
As for strike rate, irrespective of how many runners he has had over a season, his average has stayed consistently between 14 & 18% and for 20 consecutive years he has trained a 100 or more winners a season.
Love him or loathe him, the figures speak for themselves, biggest problem for punters is knowing which of his runners to back and which to leave, again the figures don't lie and his p/l to level stake says laying his horses has been profitable in 19 of the last 20 seasons.

Thanks for the info Cork langer you certainly know your stuff. its definitely a lottery backing his horses he will probably have six winners today who knows?

broxbourne,galician both won twice in 7 days, 12/1 7/1 4/1 33/1. best trainer around johnston.

Best left alone, hard to get his horses right.

Wonder if Crowdmania will have such an "unlucky" time of things today.

Presumably you say that tongue in cheek roadrunner46....? God help you if you didn't....!!!

What happened to the other 76 ? still be down to a level stake

really beleive that, 6 wins for me this year with broxbourne, galician notebooked, then went and won the next race at 33/1
he does the same every year with new horses, hes an excellent trainer, dont try i back all his horses, top trainer at the
tracks that work best for his horses, done very well there this season. another star of the show was universal 4 wins.

Always trying to what?

Surely any trainer who uses Fairley, Fanning and Norton has to be ALWAYS TRYING

A well done is well deserved roadrunner46, being able to make a profit from MJ runners is something very few have achieved over the years.

sennockian star another typical mj improver, few other winners from the collateral form winning as well from that horse. down to the punters to discover the good ones.

Not so much discovering the good ones roadrunner46, its hitting them on the right day that most people have trouble with where MJ is concerned

Piece of trivial info on MJ, he has used 130 different jockeys for his horses in the last five years, doubt anyone else would come close to half that number....!

I have met Majo many times in the past and what he is like now I do not know

but in those days he was an arrogant, overbearing, know all twot who could

train horses.

Don't think anything has changed wee eck, arrogance is something rarely lost or relinquished, ego has grown beyond all proportion but that is down to the media circus as much as him, think there are a large number who would like MJ to be taken down a peg or two

Cork, do you think the reason dear Deirdre weighs painted eyebrows is she

plays Cleopatra to Mark's Mark Antonthy?

please wee eck, almost brought my breakfast back up just thinking about it...!

If you make money out of Johnston's you are just plain lucky, rather like those who claim to make money betting in 20+ runner cavalry charges. I suspect what is won will sooner or later just be given back.

Media have really been banging on about his recent 'purple patch' but they conveniently fail to mention who has also trained the most losers during the same period.

Wee eck I think he has his 'camera face' for Channel 4 and the like but I don't think he has deviated from your original description.

If I had the horses and was getting £1 plus per mile for each horse transported to the track, I would have 20 runners pay day if possible - wouldn't you?

Why not lay his runners? His runners show a loss of around £1,100 over the past five years to a £1 stake.

ive just counted the points total roughly, GB FLAT and GB ALL WEATHER 2013, all his runners 120 points profit so far.

Same old cr*p appears with monotonous regularity, then MJ hits a hot spell.......silence, then a poor spell and the critics heads appear above the parapet.
Wish winners were as easy to forecast.

superb trainer gets all this crap all the time. his horses must get overbet, thats why so many people dont like him?

On the 27th when the press were kissing his ar$e over Galician winning at Ascot he had 4 runners over at Newmarket who all failed to beat a single horse home.

roadrunner46, the RP shows a negative of 205 for 2013, not sure how you get a profit of 120, what source are you using...?

It's not a case of liking or disliking him, he is a talented trainer of horses, that is not in question, but being able to make a profit from his runners is the exception rather than the rule for the vast majority, unless laying all his runners.

GB FLAT TURF AND GB ALL WEATHER HORSES 2013, racing post i counted around 120 points profit, on all his horses runs.
dont bother counting jumps or irish flat, just flat turf and all weather.

Not sure where you are getting your data from roadrunner.

Mark Johnston 2013 calendar year. UK flat only. both show losses equivalent to about 23% of stake (AW 24% and Turf 22%). The £ value of those losses is about £214 on stakes on £896.
All assuming the RP has his records correct.

No need to count the filter produces the numbers for you


       WINS    RUNS    %    2NDS    3RDS    4THS    WIN PRIZE    TOTAL PRIZE    £1 STAKE
2013    136    896    15%    128    115    102    £1,155,634    £1,729,581    -204.71
2012    215    1344    16%    161    152    128    £1,545,130    £2,284,276    -148.88
2011    179    1311    14%    157    143    113    £927,711    £1,550,632    -270.94
2010    211    1458    14%    168    168    144    £1,657,513    £2,419,718    -377.04
2009    216    1227    18%    164    140    130    £1,747,014    £2,843,943    -139.14
2008    164    1145    14%    147    138    118    £1,345,669    £2,070,937    -200.11
2007    161    998    16%    125    117    106    £1,188,791    £1,651,628    -122.33
2006    158    1005    16%    125    110    108    £1,245,722    £1,868,198    -87.83
2005    141    885    16%    99    114    85    £1,118,373    £1,864,674    -80.25
2004    119    799    15%    111    77    72    £1,726,951    £2,437,677    -156.74
2003    139    758    18%    105    72    65    £1,410,773    £2,049,041    -5.49
2002    134    748    18%    100    95    67    £1,639,289    £2,302,134    -62.35
2001    116    771    15%    90    78    68    £1,338,475    £1,808,896    -29.07
2000    130    826    16%    127    104    93    £1,103,636    £1,663,342    -134.86

You must be looking at a selected page of runners perhaps roadrunner46...?

must be wrong then, was only using the horse's page. lists the horses, who owns them and how much profits they have made.
whats that page all about then, if it doesnt list all the runners so far this year or is it just this season? racing post.
last 14 days / horses / statistics.

Think you might have added up just page 1, there are 4 in total

think i understand now, that page only lists the horse's that have won a race and shows LSP'S. im only interested in the
winners. thats why my calculations where completely wrong. just realized that myself, you learn something everyday.

Ground

It's worth backing some of his more fancied runners. There's an awful lot of chaff though.

if Salutation manages to run again off 90 this weekend (he's entered in a few races) he really ought to gag up, I reckoned he ran to about 102 in the race at Glorious Goodwood so he's chucked in. Will you trust him?

scrub that he got put up to 93, perfect excuse to get beat

Or something else.

and the commentator on RUK says Johnston is flying....they always come out with the same cliches regarding Johnston, "he is great form", "they are hard to pass" etc etc very lazy at their jobs these people!

a saturday will come where he has plennty of winners,,,he always does

how many winners has the stable had in the last 5 weeks ?

60 ish ?     

wifes eyebrows crew foaming at the mouth ....brilliant stuff   

winners at goodwood as well

MJ and the Arabs  

club newmarket sharpening their pitchforks

* 30 ish

*none ish

Cork Langer 06 Aug 13 10:48 Joined: 16 Aug 05 | Topic/replies: 21,367 | Blogger: Cork Langer's blog
Don't think anything has changed wee eck, arrogance is something rarely lost or relinquished, ego has grown beyond all proportion but that is down to the media circus as much as him, think there are a large number who would like MJ to be taken down a peg or two

iIf you read between the lines I am not sure the Establishment are too fond of MJ, he is certainly fairly outspoken, I think i he puts a foot wrong they would be down on him v quickly,, been innuendo for years about his vet skills with a syringe, feck all ever proved.

I dont follow his horses in general but i do watch his stable tour and keep an eye on his fancies, in general i think he targets the big money handicaps at goodwood and ascot wif the run of the mill stuff, he has always stated that his aim each season is to get as far up the trainers table as possible.

I never back or lay his favourites though cant usually get to grips with them.

ITS ALL TO DO WITH PROBABILITIES AND THROWING A COIN INTO THE AIR ,AND SEEING IF ITS VALUE OR NOT

SURELY ITS EAISIER TO SEE ITS VALUE PRE TOSS, HARD TO READ THINGS THAT SPIN IMO, MAYBE U CANT HELP TOSSING FOR THE HELL OF IT BUT i AM NO RANDOM ****

lay ya 10/11 each of two

My tip for trainers too stick too with good strike rates are as follows. C Appleby. Bin Suroor. J Gosden. J Noseda. Lady Cecil. R Charlton


Many thanks...a few of the smaller trainers that have gone under the radar

I stopped betting MJ`s horses. Good trainer but I just can`t catch him when he wins and all those shorties always seem to get beat. His runners should carry a Health Warning.

I haven't backed or layed any of his horses for the last 5 years or so. I just ignore his runners completely. If he has a winner in a race I play in then it's never mind and move on.

Not sure about the 'establishment' not liking him. The media never challenge his opinion on anything and the BHA will no doubt be very pleased that he 'helps' punters money stay in the game.

He occasionally used to get challenged on his forum and the usual response was for him to lose his rag. It really was a case of his opinion, like it or lump it.

HE DOES WHAT HE WANTS TO DO ,LIKE YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO ,ONLY HE DOESNT MOAN AT YOU ,LIKE YOU MOAN AT HIM