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I cannot understand why this trainer sends out so much rubbish day in day out the horses are all over raced. The strike rate is disgusting back in the day Johnston used to be the punters friend.this time of the year he would have around a 30 percent strike rate now days he is the bookies friend not the punters. leave this trainer alone this season he wont be able to turn his strike rate around now its too late. My tip for trainers too stick too with good strike rates are as follows. C Appleby. Bin Suroor. J Gosden. J Noseda. Lady Cecil. R Charlton these trainers don't send out horses every day unlike Johnston ten a day. There strike rates are excellent and they want to win races they enter not just run them. Makes you wonder how a trainer can afford to send out 80 horses all over the country and win 4 races and be able to afford the expenses ? .
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Think you are overlooking the fact that the trainer himself does not foot the bill, that is what the owner is for...!
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You mean owners as he has more than one well his statistics are embarrassing and if I was looking for a new trainer for my horse I would avoid him like the plague. too many slow starts and refusals for my liking.
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Doubt he will worry himself about attracting new owners for a while, his yard(s) are full even with plenty farmed out on either the injury list or easy list.
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Well if I was sheik mohammed or the owner of universal I would have my horses as far away from there as possible. he moans that if there any good he loses them as three or four year olds to godolphin. so does he deliberately not get out the best in them Galician should have gone to godolphin don't know how he kept that this year probably from carving it up last year.
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the other thing to heed is tht a lot of these horses have only2/3 yr olds have usually been elsewhere, how many 2nds and 3rds in this is a bigger pointer than winners to the always trying claim
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2nds and 3rds is a bigger pointer than winners what does that mean it just means they are not trying. a top flight trainer does not send out ten horses a day and have no winners something is wrong with the stable obviously you keep following him if you think you will make a profit backing his horses dream on that's what the bookies want. you should be laying not playing my friend.
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They have the option to move their horses, but have chosen not to, so would that not imply that they themselves are happy with his methods...?
As for strike rate, irrespective of how many runners he has had over a season, his average has stayed consistently between 14 & 18% and for 20 consecutive years he has trained a 100 or more winners a season. Love him or loathe him, the figures speak for themselves, biggest problem for punters is knowing which of his runners to back and which to leave, again the figures don't lie and his p/l to level stake says laying his horses has been profitable in 19 of the last 20 seasons. |
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Thanks for the info Cork langer you certainly know your stuff. its definitely a lottery backing his horses he will probably have six winners today who knows?
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broxbourne,galician both won twice in 7 days, 12/1 7/1 4/1 33/1. best trainer around johnston.
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Best left alone, hard to get his horses right.
Wonder if Crowdmania will have such an "unlucky" time of things today.  |
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Presumably you say that tongue in cheek roadrunner46....? God help you if you didn't....!!!
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What happened to the other 76 ? still be down to a level stake
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really beleive that, 6 wins for me this year with broxbourne, galician notebooked, then went and won the next race at 33/1
he does the same every year with new horses, hes an excellent trainer, dont try i back all his horses, top trainer at the tracks that work best for his horses, done very well there this season. another star of the show was universal 4 wins. |
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Always trying to what?
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Surely any trainer who uses Fairley, Fanning and Norton has to be ALWAYS TRYING
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A well done is well deserved roadrunner46, being able to make a profit from MJ runners is something very few have achieved over the years.
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sennockian star another typical mj improver, few other winners from the collateral form winning as well from that horse. down to the punters to discover the good ones.
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Not so much discovering the good ones roadrunner46, its hitting them on the right day that most people have trouble with where MJ is concerned
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Piece of trivial info on MJ, he has used 130 different jockeys for his horses in the last five years, doubt anyone else would come close to half that number....!
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I have met Majo many times in the past and what he is like now I do not know
but in those days he was an arrogant, overbearing, know all twot who could train horses. |
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Don't think anything has changed wee eck, arrogance is something rarely lost or relinquished, ego has grown beyond all proportion but that is down to the media circus as much as him, think there are a large number who would like MJ to be taken down a peg or two
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Cork, do you think the reason dear Deirdre weighs painted eyebrows is she
plays Cleopatra to Mark's Mark Antonthy? |
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please wee eck, almost brought my breakfast back up just thinking about it...!
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If you make money out of Johnston's you are just plain lucky, rather like those who claim to make money betting in 20+ runner cavalry charges. I suspect what is won will sooner or later just be given back.
Media have really been banging on about his recent 'purple patch' but they conveniently fail to mention who has also trained the most losers during the same period. Wee eck I think he has his 'camera face' for Channel 4 and the like but I don't think he has deviated from your original description. |
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If I had the horses and was getting £1 plus per mile for each horse transported to the track, I would have 20 runners pay day if possible - wouldn't you?
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Why not lay his runners? His runners show a loss of around £1,100 over the past five years to a £1 stake.
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ive just counted the points total roughly, GB FLAT and GB ALL WEATHER 2013, all his runners 120 points profit so far.
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Same old cr*p appears with monotonous regularity, then MJ hits a hot spell.......silence, then a poor spell and the critics heads appear above the parapet.
Wish winners were as easy to forecast. |
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superb trainer gets all this crap all the time. his horses must get overbet, thats why so many people dont like him?
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On the 27th when the press were kissing his ar$e over Galician winning at Ascot he had 4 runners over at Newmarket who all failed to beat a single horse home.
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roadrunner46, the RP shows a negative of 205 for 2013, not sure how you get a profit of 120, what source are you using...?
It's not a case of liking or disliking him, he is a talented trainer of horses, that is not in question, but being able to make a profit from his runners is the exception rather than the rule for the vast majority, unless laying all his runners. |
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GB FLAT TURF AND GB ALL WEATHER HORSES 2013, racing post i counted around 120 points profit, on all his horses runs.
dont bother counting jumps or irish flat, just flat turf and all weather. |
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Not sure where you are getting your data from roadrunner.
Mark Johnston 2013 calendar year. UK flat only. both show losses equivalent to about 23% of stake (AW 24% and Turf 22%). The £ value of those losses is about £214 on stakes on £896. All assuming the RP has his records correct. |
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No need to count the filter produces the numbers for you
WINS RUNS % 2NDS 3RDS 4THS WIN PRIZE TOTAL PRIZE £1 STAKE 2013 136 896 15% 128 115 102 £1,155,634 £1,729,581 -204.71 2012 215 1344 16% 161 152 128 £1,545,130 £2,284,276 -148.88 2011 179 1311 14% 157 143 113 £927,711 £1,550,632 -270.94 2010 211 1458 14% 168 168 144 £1,657,513 £2,419,718 -377.04 2009 216 1227 18% 164 140 130 £1,747,014 £2,843,943 -139.14 2008 164 1145 14% 147 138 118 £1,345,669 £2,070,937 -200.11 2007 161 998 16% 125 117 106 £1,188,791 £1,651,628 -122.33 2006 158 1005 16% 125 110 108 £1,245,722 £1,868,198 -87.83 2005 141 885 16% 99 114 85 £1,118,373 £1,864,674 -80.25 2004 119 799 15% 111 77 72 £1,726,951 £2,437,677 -156.74 2003 139 758 18% 105 72 65 £1,410,773 £2,049,041 -5.49 2002 134 748 18% 100 95 67 £1,639,289 £2,302,134 -62.35 2001 116 771 15% 90 78 68 £1,338,475 £1,808,896 -29.07 2000 130 826 16% 127 104 93 £1,103,636 £1,663,342 -134.86 You must be looking at a selected page of runners perhaps roadrunner46...? |
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must be wrong then, was only using the horse's page. lists the horses, who owns them and how much profits they have made.
whats that page all about then, if it doesnt list all the runners so far this year or is it just this season? racing post. last 14 days / horses / statistics. |
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Think you might have added up just page 1, there are 4 in total
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think i understand now, that page only lists the horse's that have won a race and shows LSP'S. im only interested in the
winners. thats why my calculations where completely wrong. just realized that myself, you learn something everyday. |
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Ground
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It's worth backing some of his more fancied runners. There's an awful lot of chaff though.
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