Newbury tomoz,Good to firm,Going Stick 6.7 !

Amazing stick reading there.
There really ought to be an enquiry into these stick readings because they were racing on 11+ two years back, is it broken or does it need re-calibrating?
These readings are becoming worthless at any rate......

From being one of the best CoC's, he's now one of the worserest..

Staggered to see that reading,gotta be wrong surely

G2D,agree totally,he was very good,so why has he changed !

THEY get to em all in the end, TT..

I know,really gotta wonder why we bother with all this

Newbury
    04-Jul-13    Good to Firm (Watered)     8.2
    25-Jun-13    Good to Firm Watering as necessary    7.5
    13-Jun-13    Good (changed after First Race)     7.3
    08-Jun-13    Good to Firm (Watered)    7.4
    18-May-13    Good to Firm (Good in places)     7.7
    17-May-13    Good (Good to Firm in places)     6.8 on Thursday at 16:00
    20-Apr-13    Good to Soft (Good in places)     6.0 on Friday at 12:15
    19-Apr-13    Good to Soft (Good in places)     6
    23-Mar-13    Abandoned    no information
    22-Mar-13    Heavy    C: 5.4
H: 4.7
    02-Mar-13    C: Good (Good to Soft in places)
H: Good to Soft (Good in places)    C: 6.9
H: 6.2
    01-Mar-13    Good to Soft    C: 6.4
H: 6.1
    09-Feb-13    Soft     C: 5.4
H: 4.7
    16-Jan-13    C: Soft
H: Soft (Heavy in places)     no information
    29-Dec-12    C: Heavy (Soft in places)
H: Heavy     no information
    19-Dec-12    C: Soft
H: Soft (Heavy in places)    C: 5.8
H: 4.6
on Tuesday at 15:15
    01-Dec-12    C: Good to Soft
H: Soft (Good to Soft in places)     no information
    30-Nov-12    C: Good to Soft
H: Soft (Good to Soft in places)    C: 5.4
H: 4.6
    29-Nov-12    C: Soft (Good to Soft in places)
H: Soft    C: 5.8
H: 4.8
    27-Oct-12    Heavy (Soft in places)
changed to Heavy after race 2     5.4
    26-Oct-12    Heavy (Soft in places)    5.4
    22-Sep-12    Good to Firm (Firm in places)     8.2
    21-Sep-12    Good to Firm    7.2
    18-Aug-12    Good to Firm     7.1
    17-Aug-12    Good     6.7
    15-Aug-12    Good (Good to Soft in places)     5.8
    05-Aug-12    Good to Firm (Good in places)     7.1
    14-Jul-12    Heavy (Soft in places)     4.9
    13-Jul-12    Soft (Heavy in places)    6.5 on Thursday at 16:15
    05-Jul-12    Good to Soft     6.2
    26-Jun-12    Good to Soft (Good in places)     6.3
    14-Jun-12    Good to Soft (Soft in places)     6.3
    26-May-12    Good to Firm (Firm in places back straight)     8.1
    19-May-12    Straight Course: Good (Good to Soft in places)
Round Course: Good to Soft     6.1 on Friday at 12:30
    18-May-12    Straight Course: Good (Good to Soft in places)
Round Course: Good to Soft     6.1
    21-Apr-12    Soft (Good to Soft in places)     5.1
    20-Apr-12    Soft    4.6
    24-Mar-12    C: Good
H: Good (Good to Soft in places)     C: 7.3
H: 6.7
    23-Mar-12    C: Good
H: Good (Good to Soft in places)    C: 6.7
H: 5.9
    03-Mar-12    C: Good
H: Good to Soft     C: 6.8
H: 6.4
    02-Mar-12    C: Good
H: Good to Soft (Good in places)    C: 7.3
H: 6.5
    17-Feb-12    C: Good to Soft
H: Good to Soft (Soft in places)     C: 6.8
H: 5.7
    11-Feb-12    Abandoned    no information
    18-Jan-12    C: Good to Soft
H: Soft (Good to Soft in places)     C: 6.5
H: 5.1
    31-Dec-11    C: Soft
H: Soft (Heavy in places)     C: 6.2
H: 4.9
    14-Dec-11    C: Soft (Good to Soft)
H: Soft     C: 6.7
H: 5.1
    26-Nov-11    C: Good (Good to Soft in places)
H: Good to Soft (Soft in places)     C: 7.0
H: 5.4
    25-Nov-11    C: Good (Good to Soft in places)
H: Good to Soft (Soft in places)     C: 6.6
H: 5.1
    25-Nov-11    C: Good (Good to Soft in places)
H: Good to Soft (Soft in places)     C: 6.9
H: 4.8
on Thursday at 11:45
    24-Nov-11    C: Good (Good to Soft in places)
H: Good to Soft (Soft in places)     C: 6.9
H: 4.8

Is there anywhere that fully explains what these numbers mean?

Mensa

Good to firm watered 8.2 one day, 6.7 good to firm watered a few weeks later?

fawwon    i know,its laughable  ,the upshot is the readings are worth a bag of beans

* aren't

How many years has this been going on now? And still the same ol shíte getting dished out.

Been going on ages now G2D as you well know and it appears to be never ending,anything to confuse the punter seems to be the norm.

So this means the ground is on the soft side of good to firm

Basically yes fawwon.

With heavy patches

Have tweeted the BHA,Paul Bittar and Newbury racecourse  about this,what odds i get a reply !

N/O

Anyone stuck a Clerkwatch fred up this year, TT?

There is one but it's rarely used tbh

I have to correct myself,it's the 2012 version have TTT'd it if you're interested

I'm always interested, it's others that should be more..

Ye maybe could have have started a new one up.

Anyone expecting this to alter or someone to actually ask serious questions of this in high places forget it, the whole running of this game is in the hands of complete gravy train riding backslappers who have zero interest in promoting this sport as a decent gambling medium, they all like the salary & the car too much....

I fear you are correct jonjo nothing will change now,you either put up with it or get out,shouldn't be that way but sadly it is.

g2d,yeah did think about it, but to be honest how many will post on it,apathy appears to have set in,have put up a few threads about drugs in horseracing that would've had this forum bouncing off the walls a few yrs back,one managed to get around 100 posts but most were mine

Haydock again today , its anyones guess what the going is going to be like

I agree re - the drugs fred.

I kept bumping it and all to no avail..

Which just shows how low this forum has dropped..

I know you did g2d and it was appreciated,but like you say the forum isn't the same now.

What went on in the end with the ground?

watering tonight too

And to think we had BJT on here a couple of weeks ago trying to tell us going descriptions were based on the Goingstick readings

Gabrial the Great wins

19/07/13    1/9    9-10     87     Nby 10f Gd/Fm C3     A Kirby     L M Cumani     Gabrial The Great        7/4    
07/07/12    1/5    8-13     84     Hayd 11f Sft C2     J P Spencer     M L W Bell     Gabrial The Great        5/6    
14/04/12    1/9    8-9          Newc 10f Sft C5     J P Spencer     M L W Bell     Gabrial The Great        4/7

and prior to today, Rock Choir runs its best race on good (cut) and Wall of Sound runs its best race on g/d firm.

The ground was perfect it's so hot chucking the water on isn't making any difference.

Today's times ....

7f (2-y-o) - slow by 1.66s

6f (2-y-o) - slow by 0.64s

1m2f (7 ran) - slow by 3.90s

6f (2-y-o) - slow by 1.01s

5f (Hndcp) - slow by 0.03s

1m2f (Hndcp) - slow by 2.42s

1m3f (Apprentices) - slow by 7.66s

beyond a joke. have a good covering of grass but keep the ground on the fast side if that is how nature intended it.

ayr was on last week and before the races started it was good to firm which they all seem to be now, yet they told you it was watered , then he said heavily watered, and the times showed it was not as fast as should be looked like good ground watching it and times franked that, so quiet simply they are now ruining horse racing in summer to natural ground dosnt exsist why bother with  long time form logs when this is happening.shocking

Not really arguing about the state of the ground but the going stick reading of 6.7 cannot be right on good to firm going,the stick is goosed imo

doesn't matter any more what the stick says or what the going really is.

CoCs just automatically give the going as good to firm as that's now the standard pronouncement.

Depends if good to firm is the assessment when the going stick reading is taken or whether it's the assessment for when racing starts.  I think it would make some sense to assume no change in weather and say what the track will be when racing starts - clearly it's going to get firmer than the most recent going stick reading.  As long as everyone understands that's the way it's being done of course ...

Hoooof