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hi all,
Not been a prolific poster during almost 10 years on here, but the time has now come for me to vacate thanks to this premium charge.
know it's probably been done to death since it was introduced, but to be fair, i haven't read to much into it, except to sympathise with those having to pay it.
so having now qualified for the charge, after having used up my £1000 allowance, i started to pay the charge at the end of march this year and following another good week, i will have accumulated over £700 of payments in that time, seven hundred....and i aint paying any more.
I have today withdrawn as much as allowed, with the rest following deduction of this weeks charge and will move over to purple, i dont bet everyday and there is enough liquidity now with the big meetings/football/golf to get by and only 3% commission.
I would happily pay a bit more commission, but not this much, its a p1ss take and in fact, for the last 3 months, i have actually not bothered wearing any trousers as i felt that i was always pulling them up from my ankles. i get fcuk all back on a losing week, then get robbed on a winning one.
and on that score.........IM OUT
Best of luck on future bets everyone.
TIN.
Not been a prolific poster during almost 10 years on here, but the time has now come for me to vacate thanks to this premium charge.
know it's probably been done to death since it was introduced, but to be fair, i haven't read to much into it, except to sympathise with those having to pay it.
so having now qualified for the charge, after having used up my £1000 allowance, i started to pay the charge at the end of march this year and following another good week, i will have accumulated over £700 of payments in that time, seven hundred....and i aint paying any more.
I have today withdrawn as much as allowed, with the rest following deduction of this weeks charge and will move over to purple, i dont bet everyday and there is enough liquidity now with the big meetings/football/golf to get by and only 3% commission.
I would happily pay a bit more commission, but not this much, its a p1ss take and in fact, for the last 3 months, i have actually not bothered wearing any trousers as i felt that i was always pulling them up from my ankles. i get fcuk all back on a losing week, then get robbed on a winning one.
and on that score.........IM OUT
Best of luck on future bets everyone.
TIN.
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i have actually not bothered wearing any trousers as i felt that i was always pulling them up from my ankles
very funny tin .
pc is a joke and i thought it was a joke even when i thought i would never be paying it .
good luck to you
very funny tin .
pc is a joke and i thought it was a joke even when i thought i would never be paying it .
good luck to you
Why do people who pay premium charge stay with betfair?
Cant understand why you would willingly pay such charges unless it was in your interest to stay on betfair.
Cant understand why you would willingly pay such charges unless it was in your interest to stay on betfair.
it was just because it was a busy time aberdonia, with aintree then the masters etc and all by money was on here. with only wimbledon plus the cycling in the next couple of weeks thats why im getting out now...
Tin pre tournament there are massive amounts to back or lay on the golf.
people will say that we are not forced to bet and without trying to sound big headed, ive won good money on here, im a layer and take risks and deserve my rewards.
Thank you, wee eck. Hope you are feeling a little better.
Sadly BF started to go downhill when they started to lose all the original management team. PC charge was the final straw and in some ways was the incentive for me to find another avenue. I hardly ever use BF now, bit sad but they ruined what was a great product when it started over 13yrs ago.
yep i know wee eck, ive been looking over the last few weeks to see how it is. do have an account with them, but i haven't used it for aeons.
TINnotaTON -
You should CUT & PASTE your statement and RE-Post it on the 'Site Feedback' Forum
- and of course - email it to as many BETFAIR addresses as possible -
starting with - info@betfair.com
Although - in the interests of (their) job protection, the Helpdesk, will probably 'file it under forget' ... instead of passing it on up the food-chain - which, of course, is what they really SHOULD DO.
You should CUT & PASTE your statement and RE-Post it on the 'Site Feedback' Forum
- and of course - email it to as many BETFAIR addresses as possible -
starting with - info@betfair.com
Although - in the interests of (their) job protection, the Helpdesk, will probably 'file it under forget' ... instead of passing it on up the food-chain - which, of course, is what they really SHOULD DO.
Just looked at the Japan football match. 68k on purple and 650k on Betfair!
Greyhound Derby semi final purple 8k and Betfair 63k
Greyhound Derby semi final purple 8k and Betfair 63k
sparrow, As long as I take my medication I can get by, I am at the hospital this week for an xray. thanks for your kind remarks.
sparrow if one bets in say £20-100 chunks there are no problems.
cheers onlooker, but although good at gambling im totally clueless when it comes to cutting and pasting
and as for the info@betfair.com i wouldnt waste my time , as no **** would answer.
when i qualified to pay this charge, it states that i would be informed by e-mail, BUT I NEVER WAS and they just started taking the charge out. they stated that they had informed me, but they never did. never got any e-mail and dont care what they say.
and as for the info@betfair.com i wouldnt waste my time , as no **** would answer.
when i qualified to pay this charge, it states that i would be informed by e-mail, BUT I NEVER WAS and they just started taking the charge out. they stated that they had informed me, but they never did. never got any e-mail and dont care what they say.
I was betting 30-40k a week on Betfair and backing only using my own judgement....I went as soon as PC arrived and use only Purple and prefer it now. I get matched in running and its getting better by the day.
sv,
What kind of amounts do you get matched in running? Cheers.
What kind of amounts do you get matched in running? Cheers.
tin be careful when your trousers are down as some blokes could take advantage of you mate
DJ,
Its all relative i spose mate, i dont play IR on there as there aint enough in the market for my clicks, however there are plenty who play at lower volumes IR there
Its all relative i spose mate, i dont play IR on there as there aint enough in the market for my clicks, however there are plenty who play at lower volumes IR there
Indeed mt, penalising people for winning is such stupid idea.
I would like to know how much they gain from this, and what difference it would be if commission was set at 6%.......
I would like to know how much they gain from this, and what difference it would be if commission was set at 6%.......
Cf Kane ,
I don't think it's feasible to play for any stakes(depending on your strategy maybe,if you're taking a once off position and not using an offset)more gaps in it than than the tahitian defense.
I don't think it's feasible to play for any stakes(depending on your strategy maybe,if you're taking a once off position and not using an offset)more gaps in it than than the tahitian defense.
Tin...find myelf having 1100 at 7-4 instead of 1k at 2-1(Betfair) etc...but its getting better....i back only(have never layed a horse in my life) and i hope it works for you.
They prob used the premium charge to launch fixed odds betting. :-(
A great company teetering on the verge of a disaster.
A great company teetering on the verge of a disaster.
SV "I get matched in running and its getting better by the day."
SV,can you elaborate on this please??Is this on racing??
SV,can you elaborate on this please??Is this on racing??
were obviously different on that sv with back n lay, but am looking forward to getting on there. cheers
I'd be surprised if there are any small punters left on here with the £5 minimum bet to watch a race.
Yeah dj racing only...its not always perfect if you wanna back the front runner you have to take a smaller price but as long as you know what you want its fine....for me its better than the Pc.
Money Tree cost me thousands!! 22 Jun 13 21:23
Any of you used the fixed odds?
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LOL
He just posted ....
"find myelf having 1100 at 7-4 instead of 1k at 2-1(Betfair) etc.
Don't think the Sportsbook accomodates such bets.
Any of you used the fixed odds?
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LOL
He just posted ....
"find myelf having 1100 at 7-4 instead of 1k at 2-1(Betfair) etc.
Don't think the Sportsbook accomodates such bets.
yes , i used the sportsbook , once .
i tried placing a bet but kept getting a message saying error or something , i couldn't figure it out until i reduced my stake to about £1.20 , then it worked
i tried placing a bet but kept getting a message saying error or something , i couldn't figure it out until i reduced my stake to about £1.20 , then it worked
Im suspicious of there sportsbook as they must know who wins on here and then act appropriately, stinks imo
SV,Thanks
This must be a very recent development(as in the last week)??Do you trade in running via an offset or take a position and hold it??
What kind of stakes are you getting matched in running on the purple??€€
This must be a very recent development(as in the last week)??Do you trade in running via an offset or take a position and hold it??
What kind of stakes are you getting matched in running on the purple??€€
just tried to use **** and am getting a white screen,have they changed their address ?
people i know have gone to purple but have now come back to betfair because of no money on there. if you use your head there are ways around paying tax you know just ask mr carr
Sportsbook is a joke, won't lay a bean and what they do lay, it's to the amount that's available for them to have back immediately at bigger on the exchange, also why would they let a regular exchange winner paying PC, run loose on the sportsbook free of commission.
Firmly believe that the premium charge is only because they have UK punters by the rocks, due to the fact that they can't get on in a traditional bookies anymore due to FOBTs.
Folks on here complain about the traditional bookies, but from what I've seen, these counts are a lot worse, screwing what they know is a captive audience over and not even providing a watchable race service on most days.
Firmly believe that the premium charge is only because they have UK punters by the rocks, due to the fact that they can't get on in a traditional bookies anymore due to FOBTs.
Folks on here complain about the traditional bookies, but from what I've seen, these counts are a lot worse, screwing what they know is a captive audience over and not even providing a watchable race service on most days.
Wish I could win enough on here to have to pay the PC
Tell you what TINnotaTON if you can show me how to do that I'll gladly pay both mine and your PC
Tell you what TINnotaTON if you can show me how to do that I'll gladly pay both mine and your PC
No dj no trading, i just put my back bet up and cancel it if no-one is nibbling at it...i often wonder who is matching mine because it gets matched alot more than you'd think and maybe Purple are doing it...but it is miles better than it was.
sv , you are probrably getting matched over there when the price here is bigger .
bots are probably set up to lay your bet there and back it on here
bots are probably set up to lay your bet there and back it on here
you would soon get p1ssed off paying it louis i assure you.
yes i win over the long run and if i feel something wont win i lay it. prob a combination of judgement and a lot of luck over time.
yes i win over the long run and if i feel something wont win i lay it. prob a combination of judgement and a lot of luck over time.
Yeah rcing thats very likely but i 'm just doing what i always done and doing ok...its not as good as pre-PC..but its better than with it.
The trouble is a lack of belief in the exchange concept by the present managements of both exchanges. In any event Horse Racing no longer appeals to younger punters and we shall just see a steady decline.
Yet to pay PC, but as soon as I get the message, I'll disappear like a thief in the night.
would love to know how peple can win at such a good strike rate without faster pics or inside info.
it takes some doing to win at such a high strike rate.
it takes some doing to win at such a high strike rate.
tin, if it's a new daq account you should get zero comms to start, but if you've had the account for a while email them & explain what's happened and your experience on here, tell them you're moving and ask them if they would give you a zero or reduced comms account to start you off, they are often quite willing to help out
it's worth a try, might save you a few quid while you adjust
it's worth a try, might save you a few quid while you adjust
yep email them first asking some random question and mention you are from here, will get 3 months zero commission atleast, they are quite helpful as been said
I would be over there like a shot, but i do my punting on a pre paid card that way i keep my betting(investing as i like to call it!) money and "real" money seperate, also by using the pre paid card IFThe red mist was to descend after a bad beat i cant just reload and fire again, i have to wait a day.
I am very disciplined in to as what i do but this is just a safety buffer in case.
But sadly **** wont accept pre paid cards for some reason and i aint for changing what has worked for me for years just because of that.
All the best over there.
I am very disciplined in to as what i do but this is just a safety buffer in case.
But sadly **** wont accept pre paid cards for some reason and i aint for changing what has worked for me for years just because of that.
All the best over there.
just read the last few posts and have already asked, but thanks for the info. i will get first month comm' free then 3% then on, like someone mentioned on an earlier post, betfair have people by the b0ll0ocks and treat them accordingly, hopefully and it's a big if, we need a level playing field for competition to give this lot a reality check, but anyway,fcuk em.
all the best....
all the best....
I've been using Daq for a while now. For racing it's fine for the stakes I play at, £20-£200. The limited markets in other sports have also done me a huge favour, I'm hopeless at football betting and I've saved a fortune since moving there
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Best of luck with it TIN
. Best of luck with it TIN
thanks mate, i know there is enough liquidity, especially on the big meetings, limited markets wont bother me at all and i dont bet most days. will take a few days for me to get the funds in, as ive had to withdraw by cheque.
this is where this charge is wrong
when they started with the original pc there were not that many people affected, but even then we were saying long term it would rope people in over time that really were not in the bracket of big winners
when they revamped it a couple of years ago they spread the net further, people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport
those that say, it won't happen to me should be just as vocal, because short term you're going to find it harder and harder to get value or an early price because the layers and market makers are not playing now
longer term, if you win you'll also fall under the charge, so get wise and make them understand it has to change
when they started with the original pc there were not that many people affected, but even then we were saying long term it would rope people in over time that really were not in the bracket of big winners
when they revamped it a couple of years ago they spread the net further, people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport
those that say, it won't happen to me should be just as vocal, because short term you're going to find it harder and harder to get value or an early price because the layers and market makers are not playing now
longer term, if you win you'll also fall under the charge, so get wise and make them understand it has to change
Bang on elise, ive been using duck for about 2 years , im a layer and generally its ok, the ir isnt very good but you can dribble bits and bobs in at times, its better than 2yr ago.
i don't mind paying a fair whack as a big winner, i can understand that, but it's out of proportion & unfair
esp when small winners or those that make a small profit over a long time period get sucked in
the problem now is this is a line on their p&l, they can't just say to share holders we're knocking x mill off the bottom line, they have to change it and replace it with something that maintains profit whilst not affecting liquidity or member numbers, sadly that is going to be bloody hard to come up with and i don't envy them in trying to find it
in the meantime we are spiraling to a slow death
esp when small winners or those that make a small profit over a long time period get sucked in
the problem now is this is a line on their p&l, they can't just say to share holders we're knocking x mill off the bottom line, they have to change it and replace it with something that maintains profit whilst not affecting liquidity or member numbers, sadly that is going to be bloody hard to come up with and i don't envy them in trying to find it
in the meantime we are spiraling to a slow death
and betfair, when you read this ...
there's never been a more important decision to be made in the history of this company, you're losing the goodwill of the very people that created this place and you are turning them away
right now you should be talking to them, discussing how all parties can work together to put this place back on track before it goes t1ts up
there's never been a more important decision to be made in the history of this company, you're losing the goodwill of the very people that created this place and you are turning them away
right now you should be talking to them, discussing how all parties can work together to put this place back on track before it goes t1ts up
also elise, most/alot of top companies rely on Customer recommendation/referal for new customers - it a proven winning systems -
because of Betfairs treatment of existing customers - I know of NOT ONE who would recommend it!
because of Betfairs treatment of existing customers - I know of NOT ONE who would recommend it!
yes, but it will hit crisis before they do anything, they are scared now, caught in the headlights syndrome
Ordinary winning punters should not be paying Premium charge.Professional or not if they are smart enough to win,why should Betfair who already make huge profits take a cut.But I agree with Bot users,in running thieves and bookmakers paying premium charge.They are parasites who use the site as a business,not as punters playing on a level playing field.
elise
23 Jun 13 10:05 people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport.
Hoorahh,
Nail on head.
There are loads falling into this category. Yet many think it's just bots, fast pictures etc.
IT ISN'T.....it's just people who are half decent at what they do getting penalised for being any good.
23 Jun 13 10:05 people that don't have fast pics, or bots etc are now going to get picked up quicker just for having a bit of an eye for a price or knowledge of their sport.
Hoorahh,
Nail on head.
There are loads falling into this category. Yet many think it's just bots, fast pictures etc.
IT ISN'T.....it's just people who are half decent at what they do getting penalised for being any good.
An interesting six months ahead - Ladblokes (Betduck) to scale up their operation ready for a full launch in 2014 must force Betfairs hand to do something differently to save their business from terminal decline.
What about faster pictures for the ATR tracks (a possibility)? What about a change to Premium charge (has to happen)? What will kick start Betfair and get them back on track while satisfying shareholders ?
Lets hope the management team are not going to concentrate all their efforts on being a watered down version of 3 6 5 and realise before it is too late what they have let slip through their fingers.
Last one out turn off the lights ...
What about faster pictures for the ATR tracks (a possibility)? What about a change to Premium charge (has to happen)? What will kick start Betfair and get them back on track while satisfying shareholders ?
Lets hope the management team are not going to concentrate all their efforts on being a watered down version of 3 6 5 and realise before it is too late what they have let slip through their fingers.
Last one out turn off the lights ...
some good points made here and like others who have left or people who are still on here and paying this charge, i couldn't leave in silence. hope it is right about ladcrooks and it forces changes as this cannot go on, my profits are from my 10 years on here, i haven't won every year and my gains have been slow and steady, but i choose to bet, take risks and take the extra income and im being penalised for it...
one thing occurs to me
if all you really good at what you do merchants go to the daq
who are you going to win off?
if all you really good at what you do merchants go to the daq
who are you going to win off?
wow, just over 4 years to the day when i wrote this post and after 2 spells with purple and some time back dealing in shares, now back on here. been back about 3 months now and already racking up the charges, b@stards. almost £300 this week after us open and royal ascot. no choice, betd@c is as awful now as it was years ago, no maybe it's improved 1%. got sick of battling with their pr team over why there liquidity on most markets is so ****. other's may share a different view, but the difference over there on most markets is criminal. is anyone still here who posted 4 years ago paying charges now !!! and if you left have you come back after finding out it's a waste of time over there.
most on this thread have since gone bust, as has their waist line ...
cant be arsed to read everything but..you start winning consistently on daq and your comm rate will escalate.
Daq is hopeless with its filthy bot tracing every move on here. Good luck for winning on Betfair but you'll get nothing on that fcking exchange!
Good to see you still making a few quid TINnotaTON.
Daq is just good for hoovering up pennies with fast pics.
Daq is just good for hoovering up pennies with fast pics.
Jun 22, 2013 -- 8:50PM, TINnotaTON wrote:
cheers onlooker, but although good at gambling im totally clueless when it comes to cutting and pasting and as for the info@betfair.com i wouldnt waste my time , as no **** would answer.when i qualified to pay this charge, it states that i would be informed by e-mail, BUT I NEVER WAS and they just started taking the charge out. they stated that they had informed me, but they never did. never got any e-mail and dont care what they say.
Don't blame u leaving one bit TnT,nearly off myself,this company in fact most betting companies don't give a fck about their customers.
Premium charge is an absolute joke,which other company in this world would punish their best customers like this ??
your totally correct throwthetellyoutawindow, but as i stated on my return post at 6pm tonight, ive had to come back on here, daq is horrific, just got sick of watching bets go unmatched, if you look at total market amounts bet on say test cricket and premier league football over there compared to on here it's a joke, you have no chance of trading on a test match either, just odds flashing on an off the bloody screen. they have done nothing to improve anything at all in all this time, dont waste your time trying.
other site just run by bots mirrowing prices on here.put a small bet in yourself and see the bots work .
TINnotaTON
all the best.
is there a forum over at the purple site?
all the best.
is there a forum over at the purple site?
no Dav_vin03 there is no forum, simple reason being that there's no **** using it
I am hopeful one day someone will be motivated to open a proper independent and transparent betfair rival and have the backing of a few big traders.
Just waiting for skinto to get his pension lump sum
Just waiting for skinto to get his pension lump sum
cant come quick enough pal, will it ever happen though...
it states that i would be informed by e-mail, BUT I NEVER WAS and they just started taking the charge out. they stated that they had informed me, but they never did
Me neither, but my expectations of all customer services nowadays is snake-belly low, so wasnt surprised (i'm referring to company's investment in their CS depts, which is minimal, not to the poor saps that have to man them)
Good luck TIN...i'd join you but i'm 99% IR on the osses, and that's not viable on the purple side
Me neither, but my expectations of all customer services nowadays is snake-belly low, so wasnt surprised (i'm referring to company's investment in their CS depts, which is minimal, not to the poor saps that have to man them)
Good luck TIN...i'd join you but i'm 99% IR on the osses, and that's not viable on the purple side
doesn't surprise me they never informed you and sadly DUNCAN that's just the first of dac's many faults, piss poor for the length of time that site has been going.
Dac used to have a forum, but dropped it as not many used it and those that did used it to vent their frustrations with the liquidity
Welcome back ....TT something you wont hear from Customer Services
gl
gl
cheers VIRGIN....no maybe not, but they'l love taking the charges.
b lucky pal.
b lucky pal.
what does this thread tell you. betfair have got you by the BO11OCKS
I'd read two pages of this thread getting all encouraged about purple before I realized it was 4 years old and then finding my hopes dashed reading the present day last page with purple getting just as much abuse that Betfair were getting on the proceeding two pages.
Betfair will be framing this thread and sticking it up in Betfair Towers.
The reason why Purple is no good is simply down to human nature, if we all left on mass it would succeed but people don't, they stick to what they already do even if it's to their detriment, it's the same reason people don't bother to change energy suppliers and banks etc even if they'd be better off to do so, they just keep sucking it up as they can't be bothered, it's "too much hassle syndrome" and, "well, will everyone else come too"
When something goes wrong on here, we here things like "we should have an organized boycott, that would show" them blah blah blah, but when everything is working the next day it's "yeah, right, forget about that"
and then finding my hopes dashed reading the present day last page with purple getting just as much abuse that Betfair were getting on the proceeding two pages.Betfair will be framing this thread and sticking it up in Betfair Towers.
The reason why Purple is no good is simply down to human nature, if we all left on mass it would succeed but people don't, they stick to what they already do even if it's to their detriment, it's the same reason people don't bother to change energy suppliers and banks etc even if they'd be better off to do so, they just keep sucking it up as they can't be bothered, it's "too much hassle syndrome" and, "well, will everyone else come too"
When something goes wrong on here, we here things like "we should have an organized boycott, that would show" them blah blah blah, but when everything is working the next day it's "yeah, right, forget about that"
sorry duffy, yes it was 4 years ago the 1st post, i did try though and it was either win nothing or pay on here, the latter sadly won..
"I am hopeful one day someone will be motivated to open a proper independent and transparent betfair rival" That would hardly solve anything. The same r&rs would stop the model reaching its max potential..and the same greedy cheats would be on hand to milk away.. prompting the owner/s to go down the exact same route as betfair. The whole industry is built on selfish greed. The notion that any person/s would pump their money into something for anything other than self-reward could only be realized in an idealistic world far, far, far away from the planet we have the misfortune of residing in.
^
It would still need everyone here to move over, purple is a rival and is there waiting...no-one goes.....possession is 9/10ths of the law and betfair is in possession.
We're all like those hostages that after a number of years, even with plenty of opportunity to escape still choose to remain with their captors.
It would still need everyone here to move over, purple is a rival and is there waiting...no-one goes.....possession is 9/10ths of the law and betfair is in possession.
We're all like those hostages that after a number of years, even with plenty of opportunity to escape still choose to remain with their captors.
Purple was useful when they ran a fairly basic bot to arb with betfair, but the current version which also shadows anything you put up on purple a tick behind on here is a massive pain in the arse.
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