Animal Kingdom

How can Animal Kingdom return to Australia? it's never been there has it?

Anyone know how much the Arrowfield Stud paid for the majority share tho? he's listed at $38,500 a pop.

the great tonny ennis has it won already , reckons by 4/5 lengths . good curse tony, good curse1

Lay all day?

This is the best and surely the biggest big of ages. A gift of all gifts, a proven top class horse running against rags and people find reason to lay??.
Lump on and watch with ease, lay and you won't enjoy 1 second of the race.

* biggest bet * sry

Won 1 of his 4 turf races
Won 2 of his last 6 races
Unless the horses that have been smashing this chump are among the best in the world, this is the lay of the week.

And the opening post doesn't concern you a tad

he's bred to be a turf horse, whatever happened anywhere else was a bonus, getting no run and still finishing ahead of at the time the 2nd highest rated horse in world excelebration in breeders cup turf mile is more than enough form to win rag race tomorrow. The thought behind the trainer running on turf at a breeders cup said enough. He was odds on a few weeks ago when he possibly had a danger. Now he's a similar if not better price without the godolphin horse. there is no concern unless the going changes. His stats in defeat mount to far more than the form of the opposition in their defeats or are they unbeaten?

which Godolphin horse was that sorry?

He's still lost 3 out of his last 4 turf races though, no?

Godolphin horse = Farhh

He was n't odds on, they were vying for favouritism at 5/2, 11/4.

How would he be odds on with Farhh in the race?...some people make it up as they go along.

it is a totally different examination to anything he has faced before :

straight track
undulations
watered going

compared to flat left handed ovals with sharp turns, no telling how he will handle it really

Farrh was 2nd favourite for this race prior to injury, surely you are aware of that, he won easily and would have made me less bullish, he trounced most of tomorrows runners.

If he won two turf races and one of them was a breeders cup turf race over a mile would you be convinced. Well he should have and would have with a clear run, and that was a proper race with decent horses. I'm a backer I've given my reason and if the forecast layers can come up with any reason why or who can defeat the horse, speak up. Put it out there.

rose keep up with facts and don't believe AK was a similar price to farhh twt a

yep sorry Farrh. I backed him for the Lockinge.

I;m trying to find Animal Kingdom's last 4 turf races which, apparently he only won one of

the facts are Animal Kingdom and Farhh were vying for favouritism in the Queen Anne until Farhh was declared lame and out of Royal Ascot.

You stated above that 'He was odds on a few weeks ago when he possibly had a danger.' I'm saying he was n't odds on. He was 5/2 or 11/4.

Farhh would probably have been shorter but for the school of thought which suggested that Sheik Mo would target Prince of Wales with Farhh because he has 29% share in Animal Kingdom and would not want them racing each other.

What part of the statement 'He was odds on a few weeks ago when he possibly had a danger.' is true?

rosie your prices are wrong, the point been made was that there was a danger now theres not, ive said all night i'd back the horse at any odds against these rags, you want to find holes in opinions and sit on fence twa  t but hey its never never land you live.

can anyone tell me his positions in last 4 turf races?

Animal Kingdom deserves to be odds on all known form, but if a fully wound up Elusive Kate can grab an early lead and quicken while AK is held up looking for a run 11/2 does look like a sound ew option?.

The rest of the field look like pure muck.

Animal Kingdom sat very handy in the DWC - I think Johnny V will jump from 13, head to the rails and either lead or sit handy. He won't complicate it

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rosie your prices are wrong, the point been made was that there was a danger now theres not, ive said all night i'd back the horse at any odds against these rags, you want to find holes in opinions and sit on fence twa  t but hey its never never land you live.

at least I'm not borderline illiterate, twa t

The rest of the field look like pure muck.

Surely EK would be a better bet without the fav? She may win but she is relying on the favourite either not performing or getting into trouble.

Hasn't won or raced rh. Has beaten Excelebration, good yardstick, unlike any of these.10 1b clear on ratings at level weights.However there is a possibility he finds trouble IR and he has had a serious leg injury. Back to lay AK IR, he is sure to trade shorter, 1.6 maybe not to get too greedy. Can't be backing Elusive Kate, has ran well behind some good horses but winning in a scrappy race might be a different deal.DOW still 3rd fav, maybe the stable expect him to bounce back, not for me.

you don't see AK winning the race Mr Homer J?

Forget about AK's turf race prior to the Kentucky Derby, He was a young horse still learning the game, Let's concentrate on his more recent turf form.
Beaten by Wise Dan in the Breeders Cup Mile, too many an observer, he was given a poor ride by Rafael Bejarano- Whilst I am not saying that he would have beaten the monster that is WISE DAN - he would certainly have been closer, anybody see any of the horses behind him that day?? Excelebration and Moonlight Cloud.... Fantastic piece of form.

Then on his return this year, beaten by POINT OF ENTRY (US top older turf horse) P.O.E won last week but unfortunatley suffered what may be a career ending injury- Point of Entry had previously come 2nd in the B/Cup turf - (under a poor ride also...this time from Jonny Val) behind Point of Entry that day ...St Nicholas Abbey and Shareta.

When POE beat AK this year, it was a farce of a race, AK went for home a LONG way out and was outstayed by POE ... Behind them is a horse that will rate highly this year - Unbridled Command.

Animal Kingdom reeks of TOP CLASS. .... Absolute Top Class. ... Johnny Val is one of the top turf riders in the U.S and a man for the big occasion...
LUMP ON AT ANYTHING OVER EVENS !!!

Four-year-olds have won 17 of the last 21 runnings. If you are looking to find a way to getting Animal Kingdom beaten, being aged five, then that would appear to be your best statistical angle.

good right up and clears up the losses in 3 out of his last 4 turf races THANKS!!

when I bet big I want everything in my favour if it is short odds

and let me tell you, everything is most definitely not in Animal Kingdom's favour here

yes the BC form looks exceptional but how does that run on a left hand flat, firm American track have any relation to running on the straight track on watered going at Ascot? It is a leap of faith that he will transfer the apparent superiority to the race tomorrow and he may well do so but I am not surprised he has drifted from 1.84 to 2.02 hitting 2.16 on the way

definitely think there will be better evens shots to be had without the question marks

Take a close look at the breeding of Animal Kingdom, the fact that he won a Kentucky Derby is unbelieveable, all his breeding points to turf racing.

Sired by multiple graded turf winner - Leroidsenameaux (Spell check!) - the dam DALICIA (GER)sired by Acatenango and grandfather is no other than Dancing Brave...

Wants Turf as much as I want more money in my account to LUMP ON !!

Gotta love this game, times like this that make a man or mouse off ya !!

Whatever the route you take tomorrow, let's hope they all come back in one piece (20 lengths behind the camp AK!!)

maybe To Place would be "safer"

Leroidesanimaux

I only back To Win if the horse is/was called Frankel or Sprinter Sacre

what's PP record like with the offer? if AK wins all losers refunded

I remember several that got beat, anyone remember the winners?

Sprinter Sacre (Arkle)

cor that was a bad one then, that was a monster punt

a bad one

appreciate the Breeders Cup form but you've also got to factor in that Excelebration (particularly) and Moonlight Cloud had travelled 8 or 9 time zones at the end of the European flat season. Excelebration had won the Champions mile only two weeks previously and the ground in California would have been plenty quick enough for him.

...actually Excelebration's attempt to win the Breeders Cup Mile looks a mirror image of what Animal Kingdom is attempting to achieve tomorrow - a final prestigious victory in alien conditions before going to stud.

indeed rease

conditions totally different

who are the equivalents of what Animal Kingdom and Wise Dan were to Excelebration in this race though?

fair point - you're probably relying on some of the 4yos improving, Elusive Kate looks like she's been laid out for the race, I would n't be surprised if Trade Storm won or Sovereign Debt but agree a leap of faith is involved to a certain extent.

Interesting that AK went off at 14/1 in the Breeders Cup race, then got turned over at odds on before beating the likes of Red Cadeaux, Planteur(!), Side Glance, Treasure Beach(!) and Hunter's Light in Meydan.

It's all about opinions - just AK far too short for me based on all the imponderables. That's me off the fence, I think.

Think we could see an upset here and I like Penitent at huge prices

Think the price for the BC was as much about the concern he was coming back from two pretty serious injuries.

no chance to many negatives, draw, going, breeding he might be some beast he will need to be

2.35pm tomorrow ... when the champ has beat this field of glorified listed horses- evens will look MASSIVE.

you have been advised gentleman and I say this in all sincerity.

Animal Kingdom is a monster.

Maximum win bet and makes the placepot only 5 legs for me.

Shiekh, I like the cut of your jib

Thanks 3setpoints.

I am actually not in any way trying to be funny nor cause any consernation, I am simply telling it as I see it.

This horse is COMPLETELY different class, If you put any of his opponents tomorrow in any of the races he as contended they would be beat out of sight.

I fully understand the "travelling, New racecourse" etc... but were these not issues he faced before destroying the Dubai World Cup field?

Evens is a gift ... Come tomorrow I could look really silly.... But I'll take any amount at around evens i'm not.

watch this and become a believer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjaQzlN82fg

This was the Point of Entry vs Animal Kingdom race from Gulfstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XIUpz0KS3w

Sorry fans of AK but the home-boys are too strong; massive lay at the price.

And in case anybody was on Mars.... (the planet, not the horse) ... Here's the Dubai World Cup...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5Cu3Aq3zA

Boosup... The "Homeboys" .... Which one and why ? You don't think the filly is the biggest threat to the champ?

well the DWC is v impressive. he beat the mug Side Glance though, and Red Cadeaux was catching although he is a great finisher.

I see what you mean about the Breeders. the way he was finishing was devastating. left it too late?

I take your point but he is a massive lay to all the rules that I follow.

Not a fan of the U.S jocks on turf to be honest (I know that there is one on him tomorrow but that is why he is evs and not 1/5)
Both his defeats -(I personally thought) were because primarily of bad rides... I am not saying in any way shape or form he would have beaten WISE DAN as that horse is a SUPREME CHAMP.

Just though he could have been closer to the action, found trouble and Boom Flew when he got open air !!

why did he leave it til half a furlong to unleash that power in the breeders!?

In my world the fairer sex only rules when represented in numbers, class or informed appeal.  This is not the case here.

Fair play Boosup .. Each to their own pal, we have to follow our own rules.

I am CONVINCED this is one of those very rare occasions that after a race we look at ourselves and say, How on earth did we let a Kentucky Derby, Dubai WOrld Cup winner go off at evens against this lot.

Believe me, If there were anything of any note in this race I would be less confident, but there is not.

Well put sir and good luck to all of us.

And same to you Boosup.

Whatever happens, win, lose or draw (preferably not draw) - I shall be back on here at 2.33pm tomorrow.... Commiserating or congratulating!!

GOOD LUCK All

mugs just trying to look supreme by laying the cert of the day

maybe its because AK is australian owned ..envious bunch here

Aye, but why weren't you all on at 3/1+

instead of finding out why it won't win, I wanna know which of those cats will beat it?

you're all guessing imo

Wouldnt right off DOW if Stickels has cocked up the ground....

Biggest defeat of his career on good to firm is hardly surprising considering  his best form so far has been on softer turf and synthetics....won on soft, heavy, polytrack and fibresand....romped home in the fibresand too.

After DWC.

Animal Kingdom is now expected to take his chance at Royal Ascot, with the Prince of Wales's Stakes the likely target. Coral make the son of Leroidesanimaux a 5-1 chance to win any race at the showpiece fixture.

A.K. Had his first run on Turf after a 4 month lay off,Btn a Head and not a great ride from R.Maragh.

Won on Turf 8 1/2F, from a bad bunch-came from last to challenge at the 6 1/2F Pole.

Breeders Cup 8 F Turf, "8th and trapped in pocket on rail from under 2f out, gap appeared approaching final 110yds, quickened well between horses to grab second close home, never on terms with winner" not a great ride from R.Bejerano.
The winner - Wise Dan has Won 11 from his last 13 and 6 were Grade 1 races.

Gulfstream Turf 9 F, "Held up in touch in last pair, rapid headway to dispute lead over 4f out, ridden to lead on turn into straight, strongly pressed and headed entering final furlong, kept on but readily held by winner" not a great ride from J.Rosario.
The winner - Point of Entry has Won 7 from his last 8 and 5 were Grade 1 races.

When A.K. Won The Kentucky Derby 10 F, he came from Tenth position,
When he was Btn 1/2L in the Preaknes 10 F, he also came from Tenth Position.

He does Not need to be held up so far,in fact on Turf,he has had the pace to be disputing the lead at the 6 - 7 F Pole.

The reality is, he beat your "superstar" easily in the BC when Excelebration was in peak fitness.  Excelebration run of the race, AK held up for a run and stormed past like he was standing still.
He has lengths on that horse.  Considering most of you consider him one of the best milers the world has seen in years, second only to Frankel, there is no argument in the world that would have you lot letting him start at over 1.20....

For the sake of your whole ratings system, he really needs to win by around 10 lengths.

Personally, I would take anything over about 1.80 over this mob.

Expect it too win at least 5lenths and maybe more?,ratings between 133-140 who knows,but a cert in my book. Thanks layers!

Think Trumpet Major  may emerge from the pack to be second to   Animal Kingdom  , he started off last Season   with a good third in the 2000g
gl all

I consider Animal kingdom the best 10f horse in the world around,so soft ground no worry here!

I hope it wins, it's great to see Johnny V in action over here.

If he wins this by 12 lenths + Frankel may be second in the all-time best list?

Good luck too jockey J R Velazquez,it must be so special to wake in the morning, with the opportunity to put your name in the history books,(maybe one of the top 10 performances over the mile ever)

Be Strong,be bold!

Just a pity cityscape not there too reveal all!

Straight mile my bad. Can't see him losing on a straight mile.Blame the RP map.

drifting watch the market ,bookies want it?

This makes my week (or not).

GL all

where would animal kingdoms opponents finish in the breeders cup mile last november? i think trying to answer that Q explains his even money price. he is running against nothing..........maybe elusive katie might get within 2 lengths of him. thats about it.

Oh dear

Wow - I cannot believe that - Sorry If I put you on a b*Um steer folks-

Many congrats to all winners

donkey

summer paid for

epic lay wd

no chance just like I said, draw, going, breeding anyone who backed that to win at that price racing is not your game

a tale as old as time itself - interpreting the form literally a recipe for trouble.

traded big after 1 furlong

bookies drifted it result.

C4 go for a chat with Motion just as the call to the stewards room comes through

i never had a bet in the race----but i dont think i have ever seen such extreme views on a race as there were on here---MASSIVE BET OR MASSIVE LAY

Jun 18, 2013 -- 7:21AM, BJT wrote:

The reality is, he beat your "superstar" easily in the BC when Excelebration was in peak fitness.  Excelebration run of the race, AK held up for a run and stormed past like he was standing still.He has lengths on that horse.  Considering most of you consider him one of the best milers the world has seen in years, second only to Frankel, there is no argument in the world that would have you lot letting him start at over 1.20....For the sake of your whole ratings system, he really needs to win by around 10 lengths.Personally, I would take anything over about 1.80 over this mob.

Oh dear.  Makes your superstar Excelebration look second rate and not even in the picture..  Says a whole lot about the ratings really... 

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The reality is, he beat your "superstar" easily in the BC when Excelebration was in peak fitness.  Excelebration run of the race, AK held up for a run and stormed past like he was standing still.
He has lengths on that horse.  Considering most of you consider him one of the best milers the world has seen in years, second only to Frankel, there is no argument in the world that would have you lot letting him start at over 1.20....

For the sake of your whole ratings system, he really needs to win by around 10 lengths.

Personally, I would take anything over about 1.80 over this mob.

clown!

Oh good, the Aussie Obsessive is back

Poor bait BJT

If only DOW and Aljam hadn't finished 1st and 2nd eh

DOW to be rated 150 now after that.  Best horse in history.  Bring on the next race and lets find another...  rotflmfao...

So A.K. did Not produce any kind of a run,
Many of his Layers also Layed Frankel and S.Sacre in their last 22 Wins.

Nice lay charlton
suckered me in with bet and trebles
Not proven over 1 mile straight
short at 5/4
Won over 1m 4f
Unraced on gf
Poor bet from me

great win OP. I was a backer

luckily I chased on Dawn Approach