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nineiron
12 Jun 13 13:18
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Which list does the one to one allocation of new areas
Come off

Doncaster 16th June tatts and silver

Newton abbot 25th June tatts and rails mechanism

Who decides or is it the new location of the ring

Cheers
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Report nineiron June 12, 2013 9:58 PM BST
No political books about
Report 545APG June 12, 2013 10:18 PM BST
Is it covered in the contracts for Silver ring books to come into Tatts?
Report wasnot June 13, 2013 8:06 AM BST
Isn't that area part of the silver ring on Sunday? So it is the tatts books getting the opportunity to bet in the silver ring?
Report jimnast June 13, 2013 8:26 AM BST
good question who decides ?
Report nineiron June 13, 2013 8:34 AM BST
In Newton abbots case I think the entrance to the middle
Is via the silver ring therefore aren't they the books affected

Also lower tatts pitches pay same fee as tatts so should
The mechanism not be 1 : 1 : 1
Rails tatts lower tatts
Report Deltâ June 13, 2013 8:36 AM BST
horse ran well in the last the other day i thought jimnast...
Report jimnast June 13, 2013 8:40 AM BST
Blush
Report jimnast June 13, 2013 8:41 AM BST
nineiron

picking 2 batteries up at York on Friday for you.
Report nineiron June 13, 2013 8:43 AM BST
Fantastic cheers pedro
Ill call u later
Report jimnast June 13, 2013 8:48 AM BST
ok
Report jimnast June 13, 2013 9:03 AM BST
I see royal ascot are allowing 3000 less in tatts plus found a new area for another 1500,an area which will be serviced by the new tote operator.
Report IanP June 13, 2013 9:33 AM BST
nineiron re NA.  That's exactly the same problem we had at Windsor a few years ago.  Despite the access to the other side of the track being through the silver ring, it was the tatts/rails who were allowed to bet there. It was changed a couple of years later but only, I suspect, after the rails/tatts bookmakers found it to be no good !!
Report oldandwise June 13, 2013 9:45 AM BST
Any new area pitches should come from the list relating to the enclosure in which the new pitches are situated. Where that is not clear (ie if the new area is in a place that was never an enclosure as such at all) the Windsor precedent - the one that was accepted from a point of principle - was that the admission price to the public who are allowed into that area should govern which ring of bookmakers it relates to.

In other words, if the public are paying silver ring prices to access an altogether new area then the area should be serviced by silver ring bookmakers. If they are paying Tatts or club prices it would point towards the area being one that should be serviced under the 1-1 by Tatts and rails lists.
Report nineiron June 13, 2013 9:50 AM BST
How does that affect lower tatts paying the same price ie
Newbury Beverley Brighton etc
Report wasnot June 13, 2013 9:56 AM BST
Unfortunately the only mechanism in the contracts is the one-on-one tatts/rails for new areas, regardless of how fair it is.  There is nothing in the contracts giving a tatts/silver mechanism.
Report adge June 13, 2013 9:58 AM BST
the silver ring books at Doncaster seem to have worked a blinder with this ruling , which has not been consulted with anyone to my knowledge.
the area indicated on the agt website are the cobbles in tatts [ the old 2nd ring area ]. it will be interesting to find out what badge the silver ring books pay plus what agt fee as they will only have paid a silver ring badge on entry to the racecourse
Report adge June 13, 2013 10:03 AM BST
I am assuming that as a sunday it is normal fot tatts ring to be deserted and the silver ring packed [ they hope ] so the gate from the silver is open and this area is on a one off basis part of the silver but ALL books choosing to bet there should pay exactly the same fee surely.
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