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Open Question to Chris Stickels & BHA
Open Question to Chris Stickels & BHA
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GOING: GOOD (Stands' side 9.4, Centre 10.0, Far side 9.5, Round 8.4)
GOING: GOOD (Good to soft in places on Round course; Stands' side 9.2, Centre 9.6, Far side 9.0, Rnd 8.1) That was 2 years ago. And I know they hit 9.0 last year which is genuine good to firm. But nice story you tell... Most of Ascot is run on decent ground. |
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Chris Stickels, clerk of the course at #royalascot "I am going to put four millimetres on across the whole course tonight."
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^^ No draw bias and genuine summer ground has led to lots of favs/second favs winning today - this will not be seen as 'good for racing', imo...
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it's now raining on the watered ground
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Mark Johnston Racing @MJR_Middleham 4m
Rain on top of watered ground at Ascot. Why, oh why, do they do it? |
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because they are not God and dont know for certain that it will rain? if hadnt watered & didnt rain, rattling quick & Johnston prob first to moan if one came back lame/jarred up
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They have said week-long what great condition the turf is in with no jar in the ground. Simply no need to water. Leave it be. Now, there's a good chance of false ground after he watered with this prolonged rain this morning. If you think this is good for racing & 'well done Stickels' then you must work for the bookmaking industry.
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prolonged rain? why the need to make things up? they've been forecasting showers all week and got none...ground was firm as they would ever want it yday so had no option but to water (in case showers again failed to materialise)
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Johnnyrant is spot on. The only thing that should stop us having fast ground for the big summer flat racing festival is rain. A clerk of the course with his watering can should not be changing the state of the ground.
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Loper, Duncan & BJT........Can either of you answer my original question, why did Stickels feel the need to water the ground to 'good' to start the meeting, when there are no stats & no BHA directive to say that good to firm ground is 'dangerous' for flat racing? And dont trot out the tripe that it's so he doesnt have to water mid meeting, cos he's shown last night he doesnt give a hoot about doing that.
And now we have rain at Ascot today, on top of watered ground, with Nick Luck saying "you can feel underfoot how much water's gone on"....... In your own time lads...... |
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If the 4mm of water applied to the track last night had instead been 4mm of rain, would the further rain this morning still produce 'false ground'.
Or do rain water and watering water have a different effect on the turf? |
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jonjo, cos it is a 5-day meeting and there is only so much that they can put on overnight, so if you started on g/f & got drying weather it would very quickly go firm....not sure what you guys want, the times suggest it was g/f on day 1 ffs & he's put on a measly 4 mills
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Try and go and water your local playing field with a hose, The Anorak, and see how consistent you can make it.
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they've moved on from using a hose, johnn, in fairness
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Good question,anorak.
I think there might be a difference.I suppose it depends on how quickly the watering takes place. If it takes seconds to deposit 4mm on a given area of ground that water might run to and settle into low spots. Whereas 4mm rain might soak in more slowly and more evenly. |
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Lets be honest here....Stickels was very lucky there wasnt any rain before today.
So it looks as tho only 2 days are compromised this year with the watering policy |
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Indeed Duncan. I've walked the course at Ayr, for example, and seen the results of their watering policy in the past allied to showers that were not forecast, and I can guarantee that you would not want to bet on some of that slop.
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Maybe they should just let it be what it is. Don't mow it, don't water it, don't even have a groundsman.
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that seems to be what the people want, BJT
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TurfTrax @TurfTrax 43m
@AscotInsider Latest Ascot Going Report, Good to Firm. GoingStick; Stand: 9.0 Centre: 9.1 Far: 9.3 Round: 8.1 |
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who would be a clerk of the course, he was villified before the meeting even started about his watering policy. as far as i can see he has done a pretty good job so far.
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Why would he feel the need to water at around 10.4 yesterday when, at the King George meeting last year, they were racing up to stick readings in the mid 11s, esp when we did have a chance of showers, its not much of the time during a british summer that horses who thrive on these conditions actually get them
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to be fair its an impossible task to decide. Weather forecast to rain a plenty from wednesday through to thursday and they didnt get a drop. If the forecasters are so shight what can you do!!
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tv must be playing up...no sign of splashing thru puddles on my picture
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Fahey not happy with the going, too firm
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